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Do the Magic need a drastic change??

Simple as that.. Do they need a drastic change?? I mean they are good enough to get the conference finals and get their ass beat.. How long is that going to be okay?? I mean they did it last year when they brought in VC but it seems as if he isnt the player he once was.. They got Bass to help Howard at the 4 and move Lewis to the 3 but now Bass never even plays...

This is how I look at it...

I love Dwight Howard as my starting C but he cant be the number 1 option for a championship team.. That has been proven..

Jameer Nelson is great but he needs to be able to be a PG instead of worrying about being a scorer.. Right now, he seems to be the only player on the team that can create his own shot..

VC is still, kinda, VC.. He is still a good athlete, an underrated passer, a decent defender, and he can still score.. However, I just dont see that killer instinct that he used to have...

Barnes is a good defender but he thinks he is much better than he really is.. IMO, he needs to be a first or second guy off the bench.. Bring him in to really pressure a great guard. Make some open shots and play smart.. He shouldnt be starting on a team this good...

Lewis is on of the richest players in the NBA but he doesnt play like it.. I mean he has shown that he isnt much more than a shooter.. Yea he can rebound a little, he can drive a little but really, this guy is making super money because he is tall and can knock down open shots.. IMO, he is an NBA starter but he needs to be on the right team in the right position.. For instance, the Knicks would love to have him..

The Magic bench is okay but what it boils down to is JJ, Peitrus, Anderson, Gortat, and Williams not really contributing much.. JJ plays hard and hits open shots.. Peitrus tries to play out of his element all the time.. Anderson is good but still young and hasnt came into his own.,. Gortat is pissed because he knows he should be starting for the Mavs instead of playing 12 minutes a game behind Howard.. Williams is a good backup.. I like him as a second PG because he is smart, gets guys involved and can hit shots..

That is just my opinion of the Magic..

I think they need a pretty big change...

What do you think?


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I dont know about a drastic

I dont know about a drastic change. The celtics have surprised everyone and destroyed the Cavs and Magic. The Celtics are just a better team when healthy and thats really all there is too it. Dwight is not getting anything done and Rashard Lewis is the most overpaid player in the NBA.

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idk

ii never would call jason williams game smart. he's always doing dumb &$#%#&@!

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Williams is a smart player..

Williams is a smart player.. He is playing 20 minutes a game and is only averaging 1 TO... He is getting close to 4 assist per game also.. That means if he was playing starter minutes he would be getting close to 7 assist with less than 2 turnovers per game... He doesnt slow the offense down. He takes good shots.. He plays solid defense.. How is he not a smart player?

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8th I agree with you about

8th I agree with you about Jason Williams. I think Orlando needs to move Gortat and Bass for guys more suited to come off the bench and bring energy. Bass will not get minutes but has talent and Gortat does not want to be there.

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Okay... Here is what I

Okay... Here is what I think... Im probably going to get bashed for this but:

They need to trade Lewis......

Try to get rid of that huge contract because you have a guy behind him, better suited for the 4 position and can do, in general, what Lewis can do.. I dont know where they can trade him or for who but I think they need to try..

They need to find a replacement for Barnes.. He isnt a starter and he doesnt bring much to the starting lineup...

They need to get a guy that can, without a doubt, create his own shot... The guy I want them to get is Jamal Crawford.. He is a smart player that can most defiantly score, can play a little point, and can defend pretty well.

Get rid of Gortat and bring in a guy that is good but at the same time, okay with coming off the bench.. Maybe Haywood???

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You're right when you say

You're right when you say Lewis is overpaid and should be traded...but there's no one who would be willing to take him with his huge contract. Gortat should also be traded, since he doesn't want to be in Orlando; he isn't willing to come off the bench. Trade him to the Mavs for pieces, if necessary. Orlando doesn't seem to mind being over the salary cap.

Barnes is not the best starter, true, but he brings toughness, defense, and swagger. He's the guy who always plays with energy and brings intangibles...maybe he'd be better off as a guy coming off the bench, but I think that he does bring some significant bonuses to the starting lineup.

Now you, in my opinion, lost all credibility when you mentioned Jamal Crawford and 'defend pretty well' in the same sentence. Jamal Crawford is a streaky scorer who can bring offence, but he plays horrendous defense; he rebounds poorly for his position, and often gets beaten by his man...if you've seen him play over the course of a season, you'd understand that Jamal is far from a good defender.

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I dont see them changing

I dont see them changing alot..But there will be some moves made..Lewis is extremely overpaid i said that at the time of Orlando signing him to that 118 million contract in 2007 and i'm still saying it..He's basically a shooter and doesn't drive to the basket as much as he once did..Right now he's not much better then Matt Barnes or Ryan Anderson..With a deep draft they're guaranteed to get a quality player..There will be some young big men like Daniel Orton,Solomon Alabi or Jerome Jordan..1 of those guys will still be on the board ..And trade the very unhappy Gortat..Hedu is't a superstar but he did cause matchups problems for other teams with his length & playmaking skills..Plus he had a nice touch & a decent faceup game..He didn't fit in at all in Toronto,just like he didn't fit in with the Spurs..But his style of play was perfect for the Magic..I'm not saying Hedu is a better play then Carter becuz he's not..But his style of play lead to constant ball moving on the offensive end..People seem to forget it was only a few years ago..Everyone was saying Orlando needed a starting point becuz Nelson would be better as a backup..

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I wish the Magic would have made the move to get Javaris Crittenton, Howard's old high school teammate. He would have Ben a nice point guard with size and playmaking ability who is use to creating for Dwight. Sounds crazy, but it's true. Alot of people think he is a 2-guard, but he is in fact a PG. The guy once showed flashes ofpotential withthe Lakers, but now he is lost in a Chauncey Billups type cycle now.

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I think they need Howard to

I think they need Howard to develop his offensive game. They've shown that they want to ride him as far he will take them. That would definitely help. I think they need someone that can play in the high post because it's been shown that once their shooting advantage is taken away that they are somewhat ordinary on offense. I think if they had a boozer type player (it could be bass) that it would really help them. Someone that would be able to score their own buckets in the muddle of the floor forcing the defense to adjust. Then you move rashard to the 3 and keep Carter and Nelson in the backcourt. Yes a better playmaker would help Howard but ultimately his downfall at the moment us his lack of offensive ability and creativity. Nelson is just fine they just have a gameplan that Boston was completely prepare to defend and they've done the best Jon you could in defending them. So I say start bass, something I thought wouldve been the case when the season started. Then you can have barnes off the bench along with redick gortat and j will which makes for a superb bench. I think this would give them the best chance. I forgot to mention pietrus on their bench. Then what they could do is bring in the lineup they've used all season in spurts during games and force the defense to adjust uncomfortably. I still say they are in title contention with their depth and overrall talent. So I wouldn't say a drastic change in terms of personnel, maybe a change or alteration of what they already have and therfore an alteration of their approach. I think bass at the 4 adding a "mid range" player to their gameplan and it'll be much more difficult to guard.

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its called vince carter not

its called vince carter not doing what he brung to do score score score be th go to guy

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They need stronger PG play to beat the Celtics. I know that Nelson has played well in the past, but this series he has 7 assists and 10 TOs. They are not gonna trade him, though. I agree that they need to revamp their bench. Just the biggest factor to them being blown out by the Celtics is their extremely poor play from their perimeter players, aka everybody but Howard and Gortat. None of them have gotten to the rim, and their ball movement has been poor.

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What The Magic Need

Let me start by saying the Celtics are playing phenomenal basketball on both ends of the court. So let's give them credit for making the Magic look worse than they really are.

Next, let's remember this is essentially the same team that went to the NBA finals last year, so they are indeed a very talented squad.

* I like Vince Carter but he's a "one on one guy" who dominates the ball like Iverson. When Turkolgu had Carter's role last year, he often set up his teammates, which translated into a more diversified offense.

*Van Gundy, who's being out coached big time by Doc Edwards, has to realize that he must change the Magic's offense. Far too often, they toss the ball down low to Howard and the other 4 guys stand around and watch Dwight do this thing.

Equally important, Dwight Howard is a fantastic rebounder and defender, but his offensive game is far from polished.

The Magic need to revert to a motion offense, with lots of pick and rolls, weak side screens, and take advantage of their fantastic outside shooting.

In sum, they have the components for success, I think they need to change their strategy.

As for individual players, I was never impressed with Matt Barnes, who's a liability on offense. And Rashard Lewis is a nice player, but he has to be the most overpaid guy in the league.

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i think that the only thing they need to change is coach... they are being outcoached....

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Don't you guys remember the

Don't you guys remember the Celtics were 23-5 at the beginning of the season before they crumbled to injuries? It's no surprise the Celtics are this damn good.

Everybody wanted to write off the Celtics mid-late season. Time to jump back on the bandwagon kids.

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VC needs to be the 1st

VC needs to be the 1st offensive option. Dwight's offense is still a work in progress. If VC drives and shoots well early. The Magic will be very hard to beat.

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Vince and Rashard have been

Vince and Rashard have been underperforming and Ryan Anderson and Bass have been underutilized by Van Gundy. Dwight still has a very limited offensive game and struggles to get good position against the strength of Perkins and Gortat seems to be less effective than last year.

Boston has been tougher and has far superior balance offensively.

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Honestly Vince is someone

Honestly Vince is someone they should look to for 1 on 1 opportunities in the end of games. As for throught out the game, they need to use Brandon bass. They went out of their way to get him and now they're going out of their way not to use him. He would benefit them the most in my opinion. As a starter he'd probably only average 10-12 points but the dimension he is able to bring will make them much harder to defend. If they become the transition 3 point shooting team they've come to be in spurts to change the game then they'd be much better off

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Good luck trading Lewis

Good luck trading Lewis contract no one wants that.
They do need a big upgrade at PF, At SG they are fine.
I agree about Nelson he's more of a scoring PG the teams strength is the bench.
They have some assets there like Gortat, Bass, Pietrus and Reddick, Jason Williams are good players.

Still the team is flawed, 3 pt shooters around a post up player Howard but he doesn't do much in the post.
Only time u need to double him is if you have an undersized Center defending him.
Let him get a few dunks and hooks or foul him but outside of that he does very lil on offense.
All these years working with Ewing at least get a short jumper and turnaround going.
Also his free throw shooting is weak and basically rules him out as a late game go to guy.

If they don't change the team they'll end up like the Pistons every year getting knocked out in the Conference Finals.

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Magic Need Minor Tweaking

Let me start by saying the Celtics are playing phenomenal basketball on both ends of the court. So let's give them credit for making the Magic look worse than they really are.

Next, let's remember this is essentially the same team that went to the NBA finals last year, so they are indeed a very talented squad.

* I like Vince Carter but he's a "one on one guy" who dominates the ball like Iverson. When Turkolgu had Carter's role last year, he often set up his teammates, which translated into a more diversified offense.

*Van Gundy, who's being out coached big time by Doc Edwards, has to realize that he must change the Magic's offense. Far too often, they toss the ball down low to Howard and the other 4 guys stand around and watch Dwight do this thing.

Equally important, Dwight Howard is a fantastic rebounder and defender, but his offensive game is far from polished.

The Magic need to revert to a motion offense, with lots of pick and rolls, weak side screens, and take advantage of their fantastic outside shooting.

In sum, they have the components for success, I think they need to change their strategy.

As for individual players, I was never impressed with Matt Barnes, who's a liability on offense. And Rashard Lewis is a nice player, but he has to be the most overpaid guy in the league.

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Drastic nah...

but i think they need 2 do sumthin with rashard lewis honestly. the guy is pretty good but I jus dont like him at power forward playing for the magic. yea it was fun when hedo was there and seemed good but i think this little small ball run is up. Dwight needs help badly down low. Dwight also needs 2 work hard as hell on his offense mainly his free throws. Dwight gets 2 the line alot and he always seems to lose his confidence when he misses a free throw. seems 2 affect the rest of his game

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Now that the Magic have been

Now that the Magic have been eliminated, I thought I would bring this post back up and see if anyone has anything to say now.. I feel like I posted this too early.. There were some people out there that were scared to comment for fear that they Magic would come back, beat Boston and play in the finals again.. When a team is eliminated, people are always ready to give opinions because they know they cant be wrong.. Now that it is over, what do you think??

My thoughts:

Barns says he is opting out of his contract and I say, let him go... Use that money that he wants to get a guy that better suits your needs... Barns is a good defender but his ego gets in his way.. Also, he is 30.. He is not going to get any better.. He has maxed out as a player...

I said Jamal Crawford is a good fit for this team and I will admit, I am wrong.. However, I will say that I think they need a guy that can score.. Carter is great but he cant be your primary and Howard your secondary options.. Trade Lewis for a guy that can be a first or second option to move Carter out of that hero role...

Get rid of Lewis if possible.. He has shown that he doesnt have the passion needed to win a championship.. When he is a guy that you depend on to score and defend, you are going to fail.. Go ahead and dangle him in front of D'Antoni to try to get something.. Try to entice Don Nelson to take him.. Let Bass and Anderson or whoever you trade for, handle the PF position.. IMO, they need another tough ass player to play beside Howard.

Gortat is going to be easy to trade because centers are few and far between in this league.. Try to talk to the Thunder, Pistons, or the Heat about trading him.. They all need a C and may have some pieces that fit well..

I like Nelson but he cant be someone that has to score.. If they can get another scorer, Nelson will be much better as a point guard.. He wont have to worry about scoring and forcing the issue... He can just let his game come to him.. IMO, he would be much better in a situation like Odom where he is like the 4th or 5th option that can just play his game.. He needs to be able to have an average game and the team still win...

What does everyone think now that they are eliminated??

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You seem to have a big

You seem to have a big problem with Barnes. I think he is a pretty solid player. He definitely thinks that his role should be bigger than it is, but I think the Magic are much better off if they could keep him. He is due to make 1.6 mill next year, for that money you can't really get a better player than Barnes.

Lewis is set to make 65 million over the next three seasons SIXTY FIVE MILLION. After the performance that he just put this playoffs, moving that contract is going to be very difficult. It is up there with Arenas, Okafer for worst contract in the league. So they probably won't be able to move it let alone for a primary option on a championship caliber team. I think they are just better off sticking it out with him and trying to move some other players. Lewis seems to be unmovable to me, there are not many teams that have the cap space to pick up a contract like that and those teams most likely would not be willing to take on his contract.

"I like Nelson but he cant be someone that has to score.. If they can get another scorer, Nelson will be much better as a point guard.. He wont have to worry about scoring and forcing the issue... He can just let his game come to him.. IMO, he would be much better in a situation like Odom where he is like the 4th or 5th option that can just play his game.. He needs to be able to have an average game and the team still win..."

Agree with this completely.

I can't say that I love Gortat, he is making a large chunk of money, but for the right price I would love to get him.

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Lewsi to new york?

u kno i never thought about it but dantoni and lewis does seem like a pretty good fit when i think of it. he seems like the kind of player coach d wants on his team.

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