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Disappointed in Porzingis

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Disappointed in Porzingis

Not really enjoying his attitude and lack of leadership with the Knicks. I understand hes frustrated but blowing off the exit interview and blowing off the draft lottery is not the way to conduct yourself when your pretty much the future of the franchise. Say what you want about Phil, the guy has nearly 11 championships. The problem is KP is surrounded by guys who don't want to give the triangle a chance. I think if KP had better influences around him, the system could work. Even if they didn't go with the triangle, I think KP could have handled this situation better.


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I know i'm going to take some heat for this

but, its ok. I still believe in Phil and I'm not blowing him off like a lot of people. His 11 championships with 2 teams is no fluke, he just had the right guys around him to coach. Unfortunately, with the Knicks he got stuck with Melo, a guy who is basically content with his style of play and content with pretty much never leading a team to a championship. Then, he screwed up by adding Noah and Derick Rose. The combination of Rose and Melo who are both openly against Phils style rubbed off on KP.

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On the same token couldn't

On the same token couldn't you make the same argument against Phil. You could say that instead of players not wanting to adjust and being content with the way they play the best coaches adapt their game plan to the talent they have on their roster. Also not only that he pretty much alienated the majority of the players that have on the roster and free agents so I can't see him making the situation any better there unless they completely clean house. Not only that you can say he inherited Melo but he didn't have to resign Melo to a contract with a NTC. This situation is primarily Phil's fault.

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Also

You can kind of give them a pass for the Rose trade because it's not like they gave up any future assets but everyone and their mom knew that Joakim Noah was washed up. Phil shot himself in he foot. He might have been a great manager of personalities, (I question how great of a coach he really was anyway. Pop is the best coach in my opinion.) but as a president he's dropped the ball every single time. Only thing he did right was draft Porzingis and now he's starting to alienate him.

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The triangle is a

trick (joke) offense that seems to work great if you have two of the top 5-10 best players in the NBA. If Golden State ran the triangle, everyone would say "Oh, look how great this offense is!", when really, any offense with Steph, KD, Clay and a great passing big man in Draymond would be spectacular. They could run the "picket fence" from Hoosiers every play and still be great. But if Sacremento ran the triangle, no one would say what a great offense it is. Phil may be a great coach, but put him with the 76ers roster and see how he does. I bet he wins 25-30 games. All that said, I can't blame KP for flaking out on his exit interview. It's like if Allen Iverson gave a cold shoulder to Bob Knight.

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Triangle

the triangle is a &$#%#[email protected]! ancient offense that worked in the late 80s and 90s the game has changed, we have hybrid centers who can handle the ball and stretch the floor. He needs to give it up because he's not a coach, him and James Dolan needa go if the knicks wanna be successful

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Lakers won in 09, 10

Phil is still a fairly recent champ and Kerr took a lot of concepts of the triangle and applied it to Warriors offense.

It's mostly the players fault that the team sucks.

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I don't think Phil wants to

I don't think Phil wants to be the President. He'd rather coach. His body won't let him. But he wants to be close to coaching, so he'd never walk away. That's why he is so hands on with the style of play. He's just in a bad situation. He sounds like it. He had a quote recently that made it sound like he didn't feel like he was running the team with well. His deriding Anthony sounded like he just doesn't give a crap anymore. But what a stupid thing to do: talk smack about your best player and tank his trade value. He's on YOUR team. Does Phil want to be fired?

In Phil's 1st year as president, no team made a bigger leap in winning percentage than the Knicks. He really inherited Carmelo and zero else. It was an impressive turn around. This year, um... nope. He can't let the coach do his job, he wants to run the triangle in his specific way. I'm sure Phil would run it better, but I agree, offenses and defenses have moved on. But the triangle is Phil's identity and he's not walking away from that.

As a Laker fan, I'm so glad he's not L.A.'s president. We'll see about Magic. Pelinka was a good move, but what's with not accepting Jerry West, the greatest talent assessor to have existed, as a consultant? What's the deal, Magic?

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I think you are a little off

I think you are a little off in your facts. Season before Phil became president of the Knicks they were 54-28. He was hired halfway through 2014 and they finished 35-47 that season. In his first full season they were 17-65.

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Why the Knicks Suck?

Why do the Knicks Suck this year: Dolan.

Why the Knicks Sucked last year: Dolan.

Why have the Knicks sucked for a decade: Dolan.

Why the Knicks will Suck next year: Dolan.

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If you are disappointed in

If you are disappointed in anyone it should be Phil Jackson. The Knicks are a complete mess right now and it's a mess he created through his own incompetence, stubbornness, and arrogance. Look, the guy is a legendary coach and no one can ever deny that. However, he is also an arrogant prick and the more success he had throughout his career, the more it fed his massive ego. I'm old enough to remember when he was actually a pretty humble guy during the bulls first championship run. He would actually listen to suggestions from his players and coaches (remember the triangle wasn't even his creation to begin with) but at some point he just got into his head that his way was the only way.

Phil is completely out of touch with the modern NBA players and he makes no effort to be more in touch. When you have a team president hat consistently takes shots at his players through the media, ridicules the roster he put together himself, and insists on controlling everything the coach does without coaching himself, how is that an ideal situation for anybody? I could definitely understand porzingis frustration and maybe this will be a wake up call for the Knicks organization, as he is about the only good thing to come out of Phil's tenure.

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I am proud

of him. he is the only one in the organisation to make any sort of statement against the joke that is Phil Jackson the GM, he is also the only person other than Dolan that has any leverage in the organsation.

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He should have worked out

He should have worked out with the Sixers and maybe he wouldn't be stuck on a team going nowhere. Embiid and Porzingis frontline would have been a force but instead Okafor and Porzingis are unhappy.

Say the Sixers only end up with the 4th pick (or glory scenario of 1st and 4th).... would a potential trade work for both teams. Sixers trade Okafor and 4th pick presumably Fox to NY and Sixers get Porzingis.

Phil would add the lost post threat that is needed to effectively run the triangle in Okafor. They would have a PG of the the future in Fox. They could replace Porzingis with Isaac with the 7th pick if he is there. The woud obviously trade Melo for whatver young piece they could get as well in this scenario.

It seems time the Knicks rebuild without trying to sign mid level free agents because no big time players are coming to that trainwreck anytime soon. This is likely wishful thinking as a Sixers fan and would be reliant on Phil Jackson being stuck in 2001 but maybe it could happen?

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He should have worked out

Double Post like Jah would get doubled Phil...

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