After watching both of them play their rookie seasons, who would you rather have alongside Kyrie? I'm happy with Dion but I can't help but think Ross might be a better fit. What do you guys think
Ross is definitely the better fit because of the fact that Dion can't shoot and needs the ball to be effective.
I'm not sure one year is enough to decide who's the better fit.
As for the shooting argument, while it sounds right, Terrence's numbers weren't that good.
FG - 40.7%
3 PT FG - 33.2%
FG - 41.2%
3 PT FG - 31.0%
Granted, Dion did see more minutes and was a more important part of the offense.
With that said, I don't think any Cavs fan is 'disappointed' with the Dion pick. If anything, every one says the only player they really would have rather drafted is Andre Drummond. Dion has a tendency to be a 'chucker' so to speak, but he did improve throughout the year and ended up averaging around 15 ppg. If he works hard in the offseason and buys into Mike Brown's defensive scheme, he could be something pretty special.
I'm fairly content with Waiters. He is exactly what we knew he was: a high-volume shooter who can get hot and put points on the board quickly, though his IQ is suspect. But the roster was desperately devoid of scoring punch, so it was a necessity.
I have defended the Tristan Thompson pick since day one too, and I'm thrilled with his improvement, but I can't help looking back at those drafts and thinking that Kyrie would have been better off with Klay Thompson and Andre Drummond compared to Waiters and Thompson. But hindsight is always 20-20.
On the plus side, having Waiters is good insurance for Kyrie because Kyrie is injury-prone and Waiters can handle the ball if he has to.
Ross was always not only the better fit, but the better prospect IMO.
Ross was a top 10 guy on my board because he had the best all around offensive game of the wings last year. I have high hopes for him.
They should draft porter this year and they will be set.
If anyone remembers i was one of the biggest guys against the Waiters pick on this site. I have been impressed with him this year. He started off mediocre but grew on me through the season. He started off forcing things too much and settling for 3s. He started too know his strengths and is so good going to the rim, and started to do it on a more consistent basis. The biggest thing i noticed was how amazing his body control was going to the rim. He would be at full speed and have a man trying to take a charge or a defender go up, and finds a way to avoid the defender. His shot selection improved going on through the season and showed improvement, this will only get better in that regard in my opinion. I think he is a sure fire 20ppg player in his prime. Kyrie and Waiters will create such tough defensive match ups. Two guys who like to penetrate, are able to split defenders and beat you off the dribble. I would match rather a player able to score himself than rely on others to fed him the ball and shot.
This pick will succeed even more if Cavs are able to surround Waiters and Kyrie will come good shooters. Two penetrating guys are not effective if they have no one to pass to on the perimeter.
You cannot hate the TT pick, he was always a project and showed this year how good he can be. The kid is a workhorse. One of the things i look at to see how much a player wants to get better is his FT numbers if they come into the league shooting a terrible number. He has improved this so much which i just love. A walking double double.
This is a joke of a question. Dion Waiters averaged nearly 20 a game when kyrie was out, they are close friends and had continued to grow in chemistry. Dion Waiters will average up near 18 points a game and will be a 20 point a game scorer int he nba. Terrance Ross is good but obvioulsy Toronto wasnt that sold on him to trade for a second wing player and pretty much put him to the bench. Ross as a better shooter is hilarious to me as well.
Dion seems to be the answer as a #2 option next to Kyrie in Cleveland. I too was unsure as to what kind of pro he'd be, I thought he'd be too much of a chucker and he certainly was, at times, but he also matured more during his rookie season than I thought he would. I think Terrance Ross will be a good player and I do think he is a better shooter, despite similar numbers, so I think in terms of spacing he would bring something Waiters does not, but Waiters is ready now, and Cleveland doesn't want to be bad, they're a team ready to get back in the playoffs after a two year lull. Waiting two or three years until Ross is ready to drop 15 a night like Dion did as a rookie, doesn't seem like a woulda coulda shoulda moment, from my perspective.
I mean... TEAM DION.
I actually prefer lamb over the two but between dion and terrence, dion's my guy. He has the ability to create his own shot and is a lot more aggressive than ross. He takes some pressure off kyrie to score score and facilitate for the team. Also Dion can also allow kyrie to play off the ball in some instances of their games, much like how curry is moved to the 2 when jack enters the game for the warriors.
Jeremy Lamb. Poor Jeremy Lamb. Stuck behind everyone in OKC.
He and Bradley Beals were the best SG's in the draft. I even like Lamb better than Beals.
Waiters is slow for a guard and not an amazing athlete. Defense will always be an issue.
Terrance Ross is more of a project, but is an outstanding athlete. Once he adds a few pounds and gets used to the league, he'll be quite good. Probably.
I'd take Waiters next to Kyrie for the fact that Waiters is much better at creating his own shot than Ross and has a chip on his shoulder. I've never been a big Waiters fan but it's clear they fit well together.
about the subject, The .Net has spoken. I really liked all the top shooting guard prospects from this draft. The fact that all struggled is just evidence that its really, really hard to play shooting guard in the League. I think Waiters is the pick because like most others I think guys cant penetrate enough. Waiters uses his handle to go to the rack and Ross uses his also excellent handle to free up for shorter jumpers. Ross is a better slasher off the ball, while Waiters is with the ball.
The Cav's worked out Ross right before the draft and threatened to seriously consider taking him, the same with Byron Scott's choice a year earlier in Klay Thompson, Grant chose Tristan Thompson. Scott wanted Waiters this year and I have the feeling Grant wanted Drummond. I am a big Waiters and TT fan but a Klay/Drummond tandem would have been a better fit. It really depends on what's available this draft and free agent class. With a smart guy like Porter or a shot blocker like Noel, I think Waiters is the right choice. If you had a scorer,slasher, penetrater, passer and all around talent at the 3 like Lebron or to a lesser degree Rudy Gay, then Ross is a better pick because of his added length and spot up shooting potential. Ross at the 3 and McLemore at the 2 is also a great combo to consider.
All and all, Waiters was the right move, if you are a struggling team that is going to continue to struggle for a couple of years then go with the "dynamic" player. Ross's athleticism is not as dynamic as Waiters ability to get in the lane, which is more rare. Besides the Cav's had to many quiet nice guys, they needed what I call diversity of personality. Thats why I would have taken Waiters over Barnes also.
Of all of this "Ross or Waiters" talk, I think the real question should be "Barnes vs. Waiters" I feel like Harrison Barnes would have been absolutely amazing next to Kyrie in the Cleveland Offense, and I think that he is showing his skill pretty well in the playoffs. Also, Kyrie and Harrison are apparently best friends, so it would have been a crazy duo for the future to say the least. I thought that Dion Waiters was a definite reach at 4, and thought he would be around 8-12 that draft, but he had a pretty good rookie year. Either way, nothing really changes, but it is kind of cool to think about
Dion is a perfect fit next to Irving. He allows Irving to play off the ball and spot up for 3s, can create his own offense, and can drive to the rim almost if not as well as Kyrie.
You're telling me that the player with the best handles in the league and has made numerous clutch buckets while creating his own shot is better off playing off the ball? C'mon now bro
Thanks for the comment guys. I was very upset on draft day when we picked a 6'3" "combo guard" who never started a game in college. I felt like Chris Grant was fooled out of a top 5 talent by other scouts, including Chad Ford, who was probably paid by teams to fool him. I'll never get over the fact that we passed up on players like Harrison Barnes and Terrence Ross. What's done is done and you can't do anything about it but I'll give him a chance under coach Mike Brown and see if he can improve.