Dion Waiters pulls a C-Webb
I had to laugh at Dion calling a TO at the end of the summer league game when they didn't have any. He shot 3-11 on the night with a couple nice moves but I am judging by the lack of composure at the end of the game that he is not the D-wade type player that some scouts want to believe.
Charlotte better hope they win the summer league though because they pretty much their entire team playing.
Charlotte is the only team that has their actual Head Coach coaching the team.
I don't think you can write him off after his 1st summer league game ever
Lack of composure? Ye he did mess up with not knowing how my Time Out's left but he did hit a deep go-a-head two with about 16 seconds left when he wasn't shooting great.
I actually like him as a player and am not writing him off completely I just don't think he has the superstar potential that some people claim. The fact that he called timeout when they had none left was just kind of funny but isn't really the reason I don't think he will be a star. That would be because I never saw anyone come off the bench for two years in college and transform into an NBA star. He will have a good career and be a solid 6th man but I don't think he will ever be an all-star.
I don't reckon the arugment of him not starting a game in college has much merit to it. It wasn't becuase he wasn't good enough to be a starter, even his coach said he would be a starter on any college team no worries about it.
Why do people keep talking about him coming off the bench as a reason why he isn't that good? He was a sophmore, there have been many great nba players that came off the bench in their first 2 years of college. If he would have stayed in school he would have been a starter, a likely 1st team all big east and a National Player of The Year finalist. He played behind 2 upperclassmen, and he was good enough to significantly cut into their playing time. He finished just about every game while Jardine or Triche watched the end of the game from the bench.
While I dont believe Waiters was worth his astronomical climb up the charts, pointing to him coming off the bench as justification that he is not that good is ridiculous.
Better to do it in a summer league guys will tease him about it. If this was a regular season game he'd never heard the end of it.
Had Junior's and Seniors who had been starting since their freshmen year ahead of him. What is Coach B supposed to say "I'm sorry Scoop, but a bunch of nerds on the web are going to speculate madly about Dion being worth his draft position if I dont start him... yah I know its your senior year and all that... What? you also want to play in the NBA?.. gosh, this is embaressing.."
well, Waiters didn't do it during the national championship game with millions of people watching. Still, you GOTTA be smart and know how many timeouts you have.
He showed some glimpses, Charlotte was a tough team to debut against, having said that, i expected more, the Cavaliers staff were talking up Waiters as the second best prospect in the draft and at the moment, i'd be happier with Barnes or Lamb.
I wasn't expecting him to set the whole summer league on fire in his first game, just a solid and steady performance with room for improvement, not standing out for the wrong reasons.
Waiters has to respond with a strong performance next game against the D-League stars, he's probably going to due to Irving not being able to play.
There will be better days ahead for Dion Waiters.
On one hand, the Cavaliers did a ton of homework on him and found that his percentages off pick-and-roll were higher than every other draft prospect they considered. They love his aggressiveness and he reminds them of Baron Davis as a scorer and less of a distributor. He's built like a tank, shoots decent percentages from 3, and just seems like a scoring machine when the biggest need on the roster is scoring. They're willing to put up with some boneheadedness, poor decision making, immaturity, and a little too much flashiness.
On the other hand, it's one thing for a highly-touted freshman to sit behind a stud, All American senior for one year, or for part of the year. But as a sophomore, Waiters sat behind Brandon Triche, an incredibly mediocre JUNIOR. Triche was not very good and was only one year older than Waiters! Additionally, it'd be one thing if Waiters didn't start, but still played 32 minutes a night...some college players play closer to 36 a night...but Waiters only played 24 minutes a night. That's barely more than half the game. So the argument, "Well, yeah he didn't start, but he played starter's minutes" isn't all that valid.
So I'm torn. So far, I trust Chris Grant and Byron Scott way more than I trusted Danny Ferry and Mike Brown with regard to the draft, so I'm getting on board with it. I know a guy who has worked Waiters out and said that he's a legit NBA scorer, but he's lazy and needs to be babysat to actually do his workouts, so that's another issue.
I wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 15 points in 30 minutes a night and was stellar as a rook, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he got benched a lot, shot horrible percentages, drove his teammates nuts, and ended up underachieving.
Brandon Triche is popping up on mock drafts for 2013. Triche has a skill set very similar to Waiters, he does not have the aggresiveness though he is more composed.
It is just one Summer League game. For a guy who shot miserably I thought the other areas of his game were solid. I am not worried about him being able to score because we know he can score and shoot quite frankly. What you really have to look for is when a player that you hope to be a star doesn't have his shot on a given night, that he does other things well. I thought his passing looked sound and so did his rebounding. In the second half when he knew his shot wasn't falling he tried to swing the ball around and make the right pass instead of over-shooting. These didn't all show up in the box score.
It is also important to note that up until Saturday night they expected Irving to be involved in the game and facilitate the offense. This didn't happen due to Irving's injury, so it is good to see how players react and how they go about assuming their role on the team.
BIGGEST thing Waiters needs to work on is staying on balance with his jump shot. If I am the Cavs staff that is all I work on. He has some of you know who in him when entering the league in that he shoots fade aways and without his body centered when he doesn't have to. This can be fixed and I am sure it will. I would then look for him to blow his college shooting percentages out of the water.
I know it's early....
But right now i'd be happier with Lamb,Barnes and T.Ross over Waiters.
I think T Ross is going to be a great NBA player, but he had a terrible second game after a very good first game. Waiters had a terrible first game. Lets see what he brings game 2. Lamb has looked good without a doubt, but still is not fair to say he is a better choice than Waiters already. Also, not to be rude, but did you even watch the GSW game Saturday night? Barnes was absolutely aweful. He was 5 of 17 which included several blown layups and blocked shots at the rim. These were easy finishes for most guys. At least 5 of his misses were point blank range. Lets give all these kids some time and not pass judgement after a couple of games.
The draft story about the Cavs draft war-room which was posted on here told us how they had done their due diligence on Waiters, so one bad call cannot write him off.
As regards Charlott, the new head coach probably wants to work with his players early on so it makes sense him running the Summer League Team himself
I thinkWaiters is more of a PG than a SG he's dynamic in pick n roll situations where he can get into the lane and use his strength to finish at the rim strictly as a 2 guard scoring over big guards 6-6 plus might be an issue he doesn't have that D wade first step quickness to just blow by guys in one on one situations if he develops a good midrange jumper all that can change
I always considered him as a pg prospect, but I can see the sg thing, he is a true combo
It was his first NBA action... in the summer league. I'm pretty sure no one really cares about the time-out thing in the summer league but I must admit... I was dying laughing and his reaction and his teammates on the bench.
Is there any video of this?
This is 2012 there is video of everything...You just need to know where to look. I would start my search at NBA.com or maybe even google...I don't know perhaps YouTube might have it...etc.
Any of you commenting on how good a playef will be or the success of a draft pick after one game should drink a broken glass milkshake and never comment on basketball again. That has to be some sort of joke? Christ
And anyone who negatives my last comment is a joke because there is noway any knowledgeable person can debate that. After one summer league game id rather have _____. Lol you'd prolly rather have Dionte Christmas too.
If you read my posts I am saying I like him as a player but don't think he will be anything too special. I don't think he will be the 4th best player in this draft but could be a good 6th man. I just can't name any players that never started a college game in two years and then went to the NBA and became a star.
If you read your posts you say he wont be a star based on one summer league game then back track when you realize how ridiculous that sounds. You obviously didn't watch him in college, and obviously don't understand the dynamic of that Syracuae team. Im sorry but the arguments you use to support your opinion make me not respect it in the slightest.