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A different take on the Georgetown vs. Bayi Rockets Brawl

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A different take on the Georgetown vs. Bayi Rockets Brawl

Alright, check it out. Idk if this has anything to do with it, but this team is the Bayi Army Rockets.

what does that have to do with anything?

well, all of these guys are part of the chinese military system. They're all going to be in the military after they're done with the team. Not sure if this has anything to do with the agression, but it may.

I read that a Georgetown player got in the face of one of the Chinese players for a foul that China committed. The chinese player promptly started to push him. Then the benches cleared.

As an Asian, I've been paying attention to what's been said about this event. Already, I've seen a lot of Asian-targeted racism over this event. It's interesting, because Asian men are usually stereotyped as passive, weak, and non-threatening.

on the other hand, the sterotype for African-Americans is often: aggressive, uneducated Gang-bangers, who are looking for a fight. I'm not saying this is right, but in America, this seems to be a common yet uneducated, stereotypical opinion.

In this instance, a bunch of African-Americans, a good percentage (judging from GT's usual recruiting patterns) from the the VA, MD, and DC area (not a very good area, in terms of gang related violence), just got beat down by a bunch of Chinese guys.

I mean, seriously, if we had to pick a winner of the fight, the Bayi Rockets won. Easily. They were kicking dudes on the floor. Throwing chairs. Hitting dudes while they were down. Honestly, if I were one of the Georgetown Hoyas, I would be embarassed.

Think of it this way. The Hoya team members are for the most part, young and talented American atheletes, who have been idolized by everyone throughout their highschool and college careers. I'm sure many of them think they're hot sh!t and also fancy themselves to be some "hard" dudes.

To see them watch as their teammate got beaten by the whole chinese team, without intervening, should be embarassing. If my teammate were in that situation, I would lay out as many of the guys attacking him as i possibly could. IMO it's a matter of pride and loyalty. Today, the guys from Georgetown prevailed with cooler heads, and took the diplomatic, civil approach to the situation, but it seems like they sorta punked out. They probably should have been more responsive to being shoved around like that.

I'm probably going to get negged for saying contraversial stuff like this, but whatever, it's all opinions anyway.

All in all, today a bunch of young African-Americans from DC literally got their a$$es beat by a group of Chinese guys. It was a one sided beat down. Honestly, tell me thats not a little bit funny, even if its in a depressing way.


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Yeah u make em sound real

Yeah u make em sound real tough 'They were kicking dudes on the floor. Throwing chairs. Hitting dudes while they were down.' Sounds like a bunch of world class MMA fighters to me.

Are you really saying Georgetown should be embarrased for trying to stop the fight? They have an excellent institutions reputation to uphold. And as Bob Ryan said on PTI it just seemed like this Chinese team was looking for a fight. The Georgetown players tried to race in and help their teammates. Imagine if they came back throwing chairs at the Chinese team, then all over the US they would be saying, Georgetown condones thuggery. They had a lot more to loose getting into a massive brawl then this other team.

These Bayi Rockets are just a bunch of thugs, woulda liked to see them do that to the '04 Pacers team and get a beat down by Artest, Jackson and O'neal!

Sneaky play saying u will get negged in the hope that people dont now neg u, but I'm still going to coz your an idiot. Congratulations you are the 1st person I've ever negged.

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But a reporter that was there

But a reporter that was there said one of the chinese players was even going off on JT3 for yelling instruction to his own players (like any coach of any nationality does)

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chinese guys are scary to

chinese guys are scary to fight against, they could come up with a Jackie Chan move...

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Cameron are you serious?

Cameron are you serious? Georgetown was not trying to win a fight they were trying to win a basketball game obviously Bayi had different ideas. Also that was previously mentionned, Georgetown had more to lose by fighting than the Chinese team.

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MrAnalyst you know you are an

MrAnalyst you know you are an idiot right?

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If any one should be embarres

If any one should be embarres it should be that Chinese team because they are professional basketball team picking fights against a collegge team .IMO that Chinese team should have proven them selfs as a pro team and beat the college team not fight with them

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Wow, I can't believe that you

Wow, I can't believe that you (CameronKrazy511) are saying that because the Hoyas are mostly black they should beat up the Chinese players based on the fact that the players are supposly from rough areas in the DMV. LMAO, dude from the film i saw it wasn't just team vs team but the Hoyas vs the stadium, that was not a fair fight. I'm upset that their was a fight in the first place and would be embarassed because it seems that the Chinese team mentally couldn't take the physical game. I understand you said you have been seeing Asian-targeted racism over this event, but don't go down to level by doing the same thing with sterotypes.

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Chinas the ones that should

Chinas the ones that should be embarrased. If these guys are supposed to be part of their military and theyre acting like this they should be embarrased. Imagine if a foreign team came to the US to play a military team here and they acted like this, you know how much outrage there would be here over it. and Cameroncrazy how are you gonna say other people unfairly stereotype when you do the same thing saying its funny and depressing that black people lose to chinese people in fight.

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Yeah a bunch of grown ass

Yeah a bunch of grown ass military men, beat up on some young guys, some of who are still teenagers, that's awesome and hilarious......

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This has to be one of the

This has to be one of the worst, most racially motivated posts I have ever seen on here.

You're aware sir, that you are not only idiot, but an uneducated individual at that, correct?

My favorite quote is that the Georgetown Hoyas' "fancy themselves to be some "hard" dudes." Are you aware Georgetown is one of the most prestigious universities in the nation? Former Presidents of the United States as well as Costa Rica and the Phillipines graduated from Georgetown. It is one of the most diverse Universities in the World.

Please read a book, or a pamphlet, anything ......

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if it was the us military

if it was the us military against chinas military in this game the us military would whoop there a$$

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Alright, alright. Let me

Alright, alright. Let me rephrase that last thing i said. The fight itself was absolutely not funny. It easily crossed the line into dangerous. I'm saying the scenario was more counterintuitive than anything, given traditional American sterotyping.

Remember when Marbury tweeted at Amar'e that he wouldn't be able to handle how rough the streets were over in China? Of course Amar'e retorted with something like "i'm from the streets of Polk County", but maybe Starbury was right. Those guys might not have fought honourably, but still...damn.

Also, to the Dude above me. the US military wouldn't whoop the Chinese military's ass. Remember how we've got a trillion dollars of debt, owed to them? Where's the money coming from to front that war? also, they have the largest military in the world. Also, that would just end in a nuclear war. Either way, everyone's screwed

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@RICO I didn't say that

@RICO I didn't say that Georgetown should've won the fight because they're black. I specifically referred to the stereotypical conception that it would unfold that way.

honestly, i dont think race has anything to do with who's going to win a fight.

also, on the real, maybe georgetown shouldn't be upset about "losing the fight" but they should be disappointed in hanging their teammate out to dry like that. If i was the guy getting pounded on by the whole chinese team, while my teammates were watching, I would be pissed off at all of my teammates. seriously, teammates are supposed to back you up if you get in a fight. That's how it works in sports. That dude got beat down while his teammates watched it happen.

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This is absurd. Yes during

This is absurd. Yes during the brawl many of the Chinese fans were getting into and yelling support but the same would happen would any sporting brawl here as well.

After the incident many Chinese fans were embarassed about the whole thing, certainly not proud in the least about their team's actions.

Some Chinese quotes from Sina Weibo the Chinese equivalent of twitter.

The Bayi team have really lost face now,” wrote a user named anoia, “No matter who is right and who is wrong, you have fought the visiting team as the host … especially while their second man in charge is in this country.”

Does the Bayi team think they are better at Chinese kungfu than basketball and that is why they are desperate to show it off,” said a Sina Weibo user named JF1113

I just don’t get it that China is fighting other people all the time. And they lose the games too,” said another user named QimaDdou.

Another, nego— lu, called players in China “poorly educated.”

This isn't the first time Chinese players have gotten in trouble for scrapping they are actually starting to earn a reputation as a team that sucks but that will fight when things don't go their way.

This sh!t has no place in the game of basketball and most Chinese basketball fans, like American basketball fans know it.

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@Mr. Chicago Alright, allow

@Mr. Chicago

Alright, allow me to defend myself. I'm aware that Georgetown is a top 15 school. It's a great academic institution. That may or may not be an accurate reflection of the student athletes who go there, but that's besides the point.

Someone's conception of themself doesn't really have anything to do with intelligence, so i'm not entirely sure why you're making a point of Georgetown being a top university. If it has something to do with the athletes not engaging in the fight so they would protect their school's reputation, sure I can definitely understand that.

Additionally, my saying: some players "fancy themselves to be some "hard" dudes." is absolutely NOT racially motivated. There are people of all race who think that about themselves. I really think it has more to do with being an Idolized collegiate athlete than race. I was attempting to say that they think they are awesome, and potentially have large ego's because they lived their college and high school lives as stars and idols.

Once again, I don't know any of the guys on the Georgetown team, but that's how many college athletic stars i know act. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe i'm not.

Half of the things people are highlighting as racially motivated, just aren't. I also tried to convey in the original post, the things were said are conceptions (specifically those that I dont share), I even used the words "common, but uneducated stereotype".

If you want to look past that and scream "racism, He's a racist" go ahed, but honestly, the comments aren't even racist.

Probably the most off-base thing i posted originally was the thing about kids from the DMV, that was actually sterotyping a group of people based on their geographic location. Also, that was an uniformed comment. I don't really know how many of those guys are even from the DMV.

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Now you just look like an

Now you just look like an idiot trying to completely backtrack.

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I get that you were

I get that you were supposedely just pointing out the counter intuitive nature of the whole scenario, but I think just merely doing that comes across a bit racist. You're laughing at a racial stereotype and then backtracking and saying I mean I don't actually believe that but still LOL, kind of contradictory. All in all, I didn't find this thread to be all that racist, mostly I just thought your opinion was completely wrong. This wasn't about the Georgetown players not backing eachother up, the situation was incredibly hostile and dangerous and trying to break things up/not going after the Chinese players was 100 percent the correct course of action. Only people that should be embarassed are the Bayi Rockets

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I'm not trying to backtrack.

I'm not trying to backtrack. I'm trying to clearly show what i meant. It's pretty apparent that it didn't come across the way i meant it to.

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Hey cameron, you're a

Hey cameron, you're a jackass, quit trying to solidify that.

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Well... he is kinda

Well... he is kinda right...

Whether right or wrong the stereotype for an asian guy in America is a weak, boring, skinny, computer game playing. Whereas, black men (especially athletes) are stereotyped for being aggresive, scary, and part of a gang.

Just by hearing that a bunch of black men got beat up by some asian guys does sound weird from a stereotypical point of view.

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Some Thoughts

I have to say that I appreciate CameronCrazy511 providing a different take on this brawl. I can't say I agree with all of your points Cameron, but you pointed out a couple of things that are really worth discussing. As some of you said, this brawl obviously has no place in basketball, and both teams are wrong for behaving in a way that contributed to the brawl's escalation. I think it is significant that a lot of these guys are in the military system; perhaps it does play a role in their willingness and effectiveness in fighting.

We should keep in mind that, like it or not, understanding stereotypes probably does shed on light on this situtation. Hey, I'm an Asian-American Christian, social worker, and basketball enthusiast. I totally wouldn't support racism, violence, and hostility. But if you play basketball, you most likely have to agree with me on these points: 1) From opposing players, Asian dudes are usually feared the least and get the least respect in most situations because they're Asian. 2) From the perspective of an Asian-American male having played against a number of black guys, most of them, in my experience, have a tendency to disrespect you and not take you seriously on the basketball court. Whether or not this was the case for this brawl, I can't say. But it is definitely possible that this contributed to the situation. Again, both teams are completely at fault for the way they behaved and this has no place in basketball.

Stereotypes are hard to deal with, because there is a lot of feelings that have been stored up within us based off of past experiences. I would just encourage everyone and myself: when dealing with anyone, whether it is on the basketball court or off, keep in mind that they're a human being. They have gone through human experiences; they have had a mother or father, they have been in positive and negative situations that have affected them in a certain way. Race is not an accurate indicator of how someone really is as a human being. And lastly, Christ died so that salvation could be attained for anyone, regardless of race or anything else.

Much love guys.

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@LoLerScholar

Christians in the hizzyyyyy! Lol. Yeah I have nothing really to say that hasn't already been said, but I got some advice for you. You really aren't going to change anyone's minds, so there's really no point in trying to explain yourself. I get what you're saying, but not everybody does or even cares what your real intentions were.

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Finally got to look at the

Finally got to look at the footage and as a host country I would imagine that China would be very ashamed of the behaviour of their players against what was a load of college kids in reality. I think that the idea that Georgetown would fancy themselves against a military team is totally ridiculous before you even consider that it was a Chinese military team with China having the largest army in the world and when you come to elite training I'd guess the Chinese military would be pretty dam near the top.

I would not like to be in the hoes of some of those Chinese players as they could well have the full wrath of the state to contend with if it damages future high profile teams going to China.

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"All in all, today a bunch of

"All in all, today a bunch of young African-Americans from DC literally got their a$$es beat by a group of Chinese guys. It was a one sided beat down. Honestly, tell me thats not a little bit funny, even if its in a depressing way."

The african american men were hugely outnumbered and the chinese men jumnped on the court so quick with zero intent of doing anything but fightin while the gtown men were probably thinking for the most part about breaking things up which is what always happens in the us. There is ab&$#%#&@!ely nothing tough about what the chinese men in that instance did and having a huge numbers advantage does not equate to winning a fight one on one. And no, not one single thing was funny about this video.

I will say shame on the gtown players for not blasting through the chinese men when they saw their teamate getting beat down 6 on 1.

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Also, to the Dude above me.

Also, to the Dude above me. the US military wouldn't whoop the Chinese military's ass. Remember how we've got a trillion dollars of debt, owed to them? Where's the money coming from to front that war? also, they have the largest military in the world. Also, that would just end in a nuclear war. Either way, everyone's screwed

Not that it matters because our countries are too closely tied economically to ever risk war, but regardless of the enormous size of the Chinese military, it is still fair to say that they would be no match for the United States. Our military is best trained and best equipped in the world by a long shot. Our military budget is far larger than China's, and our special forces are also far superior. We are losing ground as the world's dominant economic force for sure, but our military might is essentially still unquestioned.

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USA and China are by far the

USA and China are by far the highest spending countries on their military followed by France and the UK. When it comes to budget cuts then anything that effects the military is always very emotive. As a British person, I'm very proud of our military and I'm sure that most Americans are hugely proud of the great job that their armed services do also.

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