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Didn't Amare score and play well before Steve Nash?

Amare helped Nash just as Nash helped Amare.

Also Felton should be more than enough to get the ball Amare but as most people know it takes a great finisher to turn a pass into and assist and Amare is a great finisher.

I don't think Amare will have trouble putting up points but I think he will have to get used to playing with Felton before it feel like clockwork because he was so used to playing with Nash and they had that chemistry.

Nash increase his numbers in DAntoni's system and I am sure Felton will too

last year Felton numbers were 12.1 pts 5.6 assists in like 33 mins

5.6 assists were below his average

He should get at least 38 minutes in D'Antoni's system and could average like 20 and 9 because Bobcats did not score a lot and played at a slower pace.

Amare should get his 25 to 30 pts and 9 rbs

Felton may even have more assists because he has a lot of athletic big men to throw lobs to or spot up 3 point shooters.


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Thats what many fail to

Thats what many fail to realize, Amar'e averaged 20 with Stephon Marbury at the point.

Another thing, the Bobcats were a defensive minded team, and ran a rather slow offense. Felton averaged 5.6 in this slow offense, while Duhon averaged the exact same number, in Mike D's offense. Hes no star, but he'll do fine.

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Steve Nash averaged 14.5

Steve Nash averaged

14.5 pts

8.8 asts

in about 33 min
before he signed with Phoenix

Amare averaged

20.6 pts

9.0 rbs

in about 37 min
before Nash signed with Phoenix

this was also Amare's second year

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No doubt

STAT threw down some evil dunks on a lot of heads that most cats would not have gotten buckets on. Nash helped, but seriously Stoudemire can score on any team. He will do fine with Felton and some three point shooting.

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magik, I am just as confused

magik, I am just as confused as you about why people think Nash made Amare when you can argue that Amare made Nash since a lot of Nash MVP votes were helped by the play of Amare finishing Nash's passes and helping Suns win more game with their dangerous pick and roll attack.

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Yeah, I think its 50/50, they

Yeah, I think its 50/50, they both made each other look better, and made each others jobs alot easier.

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No doubt

STAT threw down some evil dunks on a lot of heads that most cats would not have gotten buckets on. Nash helped, but seriously Stoudemire can score on any team. He will do fine with Felton and some three point shooting.

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The OP

If Amare can get 25-30 ppg and Felton can get 20 ppg in DAntonis system....

Durant would easily be able to score 35 ppg+ on the knicks according to you?

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Nash/ Stoud

Who needed who more < Montana or Jerry Rice

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Amare is a great player and

Amare is a great player and he will get his no matter what. but i do think he will miss nash becasue with nash amare just had to find the open spots on the court and run and finsh plays. They rarely gave him the ball and said go to work. Now in NY with felton at the point as well as the burden of being the franchise center piece, he will be in many more situations where he has to go one on one and fight to get baskets.

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Nash led the best offense in the league with the mavs(under nellie), was under 30 YO with like 8 assists a game over 4 years.
6 years as a sun, always best offense(5/6), but delivers 11 assists a game.
50-50, best roller in biz' that's all, wasn't the case of nowitzki, won't be the case of warrick.
You're not a 30-11-2 playoffs guy at 22 YO accidentally nor only because of nash.
Don't worry, he took less shots than david lee last season huh...3 more points in a winning team, wit less playing time, coming back from injury, full strength for the last 3 months at 26,5 pts 10 boards.
Under d'antoni after shaq's trade in the regular season, he was 29-10-2, for the good measure, most efficient player in the league in 07-08 over 48 minutes, more than lebron who made history books with his 30-7-7 season ala jordan-robertson...
Raymond is not nash, but he never played with Stat...too.
Career year for him, at least with the assists...over 8.
FGA and FTA won't be the same as a knick, when nowitzki brings 26 pts, he takes 20 shots a game, when big al brings 23 pts he takes over 19.
Expects 17 FGA a game, 9-10 FTA, MARK MY WORDS....best scoring bigmen in the league this season, top 6, maybe career year, he'll drop 51 to the suns for a career high.

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Amare did alright

Before Steve Nash, they just never really won anything (like, a round in the play-offs). But, of course he was going to get better with Nash being their, his game was in the stages of development. However, I largely attribute Amare's earlier huge numbers to the system, which is why he will do so well in New York under Mike D'Antoni. The big problem however, is that I do not think they have the personnel Phoenix had, therefore it will be difficult to win right away until they acquire some more talent. Amare has yet to show that he can be the leader of a contending team, from his suspension in the San Antonio series (You can say it was garbage, it was, but he should not have run on the court, these guys know the rules) to his inability to play consistent low post defense. Seeing that he has never had another great big man next to him (he worked well with Shaq, but unfortunately Shaq did not work well in the system), you would think he would be best served playing PF, though no one on the Knicks (and probably not Timofey Mozgov) really gives him that option. So, I do not think Amare lives and dies with Nash, but he also is not exactly what most would call a franchise player, which I think is why he would love to have had LeBron and will be waiting for Melo and Tony Parker.

Also, isn't saying that Raymond Felton will average more assists under Mike D'Antoni than he did under Larry Brown kind of obvious?

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ive been sayin that amare and

ive been sayin that amare and nash both help each other out for so long, and when i said it people thought i was dumb lol, not on this site tho

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Amare will be motivated to

Amare will be motivated to show everyone he can put up numbers without Nash in NY and felton is good enough to lead the break and get the ball to stat in good positions. I see Amare also increasing his rebounding numbers because people have been critisizing him non-stop for that since the Lakers series. He'll get 25 nand 10 in NY.

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I can see both players stats

I can see both players stats looking good(Amare and Felton) because that's what the coachs offense does. It doesn't always lead to wins though as we have seen in the past. Amare is good even without Nash. Not as good because you don't go from one of the nest pg ever to a average starter and think nothing is gonna change. He's gonna have to do alot more one on one moves which takes more effort which will prob make his defense even worst. The key to them making the playoffs won't be offense it will be defense

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Considering the system, he's

Considering the system, he's not gonna put up much bigger numbers than David Lee did. They didn't make themselves THAT MUCH better. An upgrade, sure, but an overwhelming upgrade? NO. Felton is better than Duhon, and Amar'e is better than Lee, but it still won't add up to more than 35 wins...

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The Injuries Guys!!! Jesus

The Injuries Guys!!!

Jesus every other week someone makes a post saying Amare still scored 20PPG before Nash played there.But that was do to Freak athletisism which due to injuries STAT DOES NOT STILL HAVE.He maybe one of the most athletic players in the league but he is not as athletic as he used to be.

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mikey it would appear that a

mikey it would appear that a lot of people do not see the obvious so I had to state it and also to the guy who said that Durant would score 35 in D'Antoni's system by my reasoning.

Durant may score 35 this coming season on OKC and would probably score 40 point in D'Antoni's system. Do you not understand that Durant is one of the top 5 players in the NBA and he is probably the most efficient scorer with unlimited range.

they whole point of this thread was how people were saying that Amare would be garbage because Nash made him.

Also people was like Felton is a scrub or he is no Nash.

He is no Nash but he is good enough to be effective for the Knicks.

Amare will get his but like every free agent going to a new team there will take time for chemistry.

Knicks have a lot better weapons then people will give them credit.

Suns team did not look as talented until Nash went to them and they started winning in large amounts.

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Don't matter becaus he's now

Don't matter becaus he's now more skilled which makes it easier to score then just being more athletic.

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^

Plus it's not like he isn't still a freak athlete. He's still incredibly quick and facing up and dunking all over people. STAT is still one of the most athletic power forwards in the game.

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Raymond Felton will not be

Raymond Felton will not be that good. He'll get like 14 ppg and 7 apg, but he's shoot a low percentage from the field (hovering at the 40% mark), have a higher rate of TO's than average (around 3), and he's not the type of shooter that will punish guys for diving screens. Add in the fact that he's not a very good defender (which isn't a big problem for D'Antoni's style) and I don't think he'll be all that good for the Knicks. Better than Rodriguez and Duhon were, but he's not a difference maker. He's about as good as they could've gotten though.

Amare will get his numbers. Nash benefitted from him just as much as he did from Nash. He can score. He's too overpowering and athletic for most on the offensive end. He'll get you 20 ppg. He also is good for 8 or 9 rpg. He'll be fine in New York.

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You guys overlook the injury

You guys overlook the injury word here huh? Bad knees, bad eyes...there's a reason Phoenix was willing to part with him. He'll have the same numbers he did in PHX, but he won't be any more dominant in NY. And Felton will be serviceable as was Duhon, but by no means is he gonna 'break out' for 20ppg and 10 assists, that's just being delusional...

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but this offense does help

but this offense does help get wins, just not in the playoffs. this team could push for the 7th or 8th seed in the east. i dont think felton gets 20 and 9 tho, even in this offense. probably 15 and 8 and stoudemire should get 25 and 10. they should push a .500 record.

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Like I say in a lot of my

Like I say in a lot of my post since somehow I am being delusional. We will see and when my predictions come true like in the past , people may want to start paying attention to my delusions lol.

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Jeez people are still riding

Jeez people are still riding this injury trip...he had microfracture surgery on both knees yes, in 2005. Since then he's played this amount of games per year

2006-07: 82
2007-08: 79
2008-09: 53 (for his eye surgery, for which he wears protective goggles)
2009-10: 82

He's been pretty healthy since his knee operations, and he's in excellent shape and still can jump, so for those riding the injury bandwagon, get off of it! The man has proven that he can be healthy after what normally can be career altering surgery, playing in 82 games in both season in which he came off of surgeries.

As far as Felton goes, expect his stats to be inflated. Like mentioned before, Charlotte is a defensive minded team, plus everyone forgets this one glaring stat...the Bobcats were the 3rd worst scoring team in the league last year. Felton has never played with a finisher like Amare before (and if someone mentions Tyson Chandler I swear to GOD...), nor has he played in an open system such as D'Antoni's. So I expect him tot average around 8 to 9 assist per game just because of the pace alone. Not to mention that the Knicks do shoot better than the Bobcats from the field.

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Iggy how does Felton only

Iggy how does Felton only improve from 12 pt and 6 assist last year in Larry Brown's slow down offense, and he only averages 14 and 7 in Knick fast pace offense. He and Amare are the two vets and the rest of the guys except Turiaf are pretty young. Amare and Felton will have the green light when he comes to offense.

I honestly want to know where yall come up with your numbers.

Iggy you know i respect your input but how does Amare only average 20 points per game when he is practically their go to guy.

At least 25 points.

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lol

1 word of why amare had such ah good year before nash ........{marbury} people act like he was not 1 of the top 10 pg in the league when he played with amare ....avg like 20-8 ........felton is not even the passer marbury was nor the scorer
som1 said felton never played with ah finisher like amare....yes im gonna say {chandler} chandler played with cp3 and look very good finishing alley oops frm paul....to the point lots of ppl was saying they might be the best alley oop partners in nba ....so why couldnt he look good when playing with felton? cause felton to many times while dribbling with his head down misses the open man ...and the same thing will happen with amare ............

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Tyson Chandler caught Alley

Tyson Chandler caught Alley oops from Chris Paul because his strength is running the floor....he didn't get to do that in Charlotte and he got exposed as being made better. I'm going to agree, Chris Paul is a better point guard than Felton, but mark my words...because of the seven seconds or less offense, Felton is going to be in the top 10 in assist.

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And Marbury didn't make him

And Marbury didn't make him better. People must have for gotten that before Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire was THE freak athlete of the NBA. Nash got him the ball a lot better than Marbury did and Q-Rich had the best season shooting from behind the arc of his life, so he was able to replace and replicate the shooting of Joe Johnson. So with Nash being able to distribute the ball better and Richardson shooting his lights out made Amare better actually, it wasn't just Nash trust me. Amare helped his assist go up, just as much as Nash helped Amare's pointg go up.

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MARBURY

me myself i always thought if marbury would have been giving more time to play with amare they would have been the great duo......but marbury never got to jell with amare .....soon as suns realised this young kidd could be great {amare} they traded marbury.......and i had actually red sum place where marbury admitted it was his worst mistake leaving kg in minny...and how he never wanted to leave suns so he was very upset when he got traded frm suns

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So how did Chris Duhon do in

So how did Chris Duhon do in that same system? All of a sudden, the D'Antoni system turns average PG's into Steve Nash wherever he may be, LOL. Steve Nash in an anomaly, Raymond Felton is NOT. He's a mediocre defensive player, can't shoot the three, and is gonna be undersized against most PG's in the league.

But apparently D'Antoni makes him an All Star averaging 22 and 11, OK, we'll wait and see............

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^Yeah he basically said what

^Yeah he basically said what I was gonna say in regards to Felton. Felton isn't all that good. He's inefficient, especially for a starting PG in the NBA, isn't a very good shooter, and is very TO prone. Add in the fact that he's a below average defender and I don't see Felton being that great. He's not going to put up 20 and 10 apg. I guarantee that. Nowhere near that kind of player. I've watched him play some, and he's limited a good bit by his size. He doesn't have the feel for the game, passing ability, or shooting ability of a Steve Nash. Nash was just a perfect fit for the system.

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I don't see Felton getting

I don't see Felton getting 20-10. But his numbers will improve, he will be top 10 in assists, I'm sure about that.

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Yeah he could be top 10.

Yeah he could be top 10. D-Wade averaged 6.5 apg and was the 10th highest assist man, so top-10 in assists isn't all that high a number. I think Felton will get about 7 apg next year though.

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I don't know why people say

I don't know why people say Amar'e was a bad signing. People tend to discount everything Amar'e Stoudemire has done in his career because the entire time he played alongside future Hall of Fame point guard Steve Nash. But, did we ever stop to think that maybe Steve Nash benefited just as much from Stoudemire as he did from Nash? Maybe they made each other better.

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Totally. So many people say

Totally. So many people say he's overrated, because all they see of him are dunks??? Maybe they should watch and entire game instead of just the highlights. And what's wrong about dunking anyways? It's a high percentage shot attempt, should he lay it in or what?

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I say STAT is overrated

I say STAT is overrated because he is an average rebounder and poor defender as well as durability concerns.

But when healthy he is the most offensively talented PF in the game along with Dirk and Bosh. Even without Nash he should be good for at least 22 PPG in NY.

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#1. Marbury never makes

#1. Marbury never makes anyone better. He makes good passes because he wants to look good. He doesnt want to make he's teammates look or play better. He never has. He had elite driving and scoring ability, and could find open player of double teams, but I hate his attitude.

#2. If the Knicks had Durant instead of Amare, he would definitely average 35 points, probably 8 rebounds and good defensive numbers. Durant would have a field day offensively.

#3. Amare will put up 24.7 pts, 9.8 rebs, 1.7 ast, .9 stls, and 1.8 blks.
Felton will put up 15.4 pts, 3.0 rebs, 7.4 ast, 1.6 stls, and 2.4 to.

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I still see Amare at 25 to 28

I still see Amare at 25 to 28 points and Felton at 20 pt 9 assists. No way he average under 8 assists with all those athletic bigs that can catch lobs.

Felton may not be Nash but he does not need to be.

At what point does a person need to be Nash or Paul to average 20 pts and 9 assists.

Also most player tend to shoot better in a free flowing offense versus a one that limits possessions.

He shot around 38 percent from 3's last year so I doubt D'Antoni will tell him not to shoot.

They only way he does not score 20 a game is if he shoots less than 45 percent of his shots.

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I think if Raymond Felton

I think if Raymond Felton improves his 3 point shooting he can be a guy who averages 20 points a game, until then I see him being a 16 and 9 guy.

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at least you gave him 9

at least you gave him 9 assists. I can see where people are concerned with his shooting ability but my thing is he is going to get a least 15 shots a game and a green light. Felton is probably not as bad a shooter as he showed in Charlotte. I dont think he was a bad shooter in college just an average one.

this is how I break it down

15 shots

2/5 3pt which is like 40 % not far off of 38% he shot last year in a slow pace offense (6 points)

5/10 2 pt shots which is below average for most players (10 points)

total fg is 7/15 is 46.6 % (16 points)

4/5 ft which is 80 % (4 points)

This adds up to 20 points

Felton will have the ball in hands more since there is not many guys on the Knicks who can create shots for other and he will be getting close to 35 to 38 minutes which is more than he had last year.

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For one, please name more

For one, please name more than 5-6 players who averaged 20 ppg and 9 dimes? But Felton will??? Come on now...9 assists in that system isn't a stretch, but the ppg is just absurd, Felton is not that good...

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dude this is one of those

dude this is one of those things that we can actually prove when the season is over. Why try to get me to say something else now. If i am wrong than you guys can put me out there. I believe I tend to see things that others don't and I have been right most of the time I have posted stuff on here.

My only black marks has been Sessions and that is only because he is not starting i feel.

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felton

i dont see him avg 20-9 .....or 10......but hey we will see when season starts

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Ur right, Sessions looked

Ur right, Sessions looked good in Milwaukee, but it didn't transfer over to Minny. He's not a starting point guard in the L. As for Felton, ur right, only time will tell, but 20-10 is NOT HAPPENING!

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I said 20 and 9 but right now

I said 20 and 9 but right now with these new additions, Felton may not get all those shots but should at least get 17 pt if he winds up only getting10 12 shots

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i agree..i dont recall duhon

i agree..i dont recall duhon nor sergios points or assist going wayyyy up after playing in the knicks system. felton is a career 6 assist guy and i can see him getting between that and 8 ast. im not to sure about that 20ppg though/ getting those numbers arent easy even in the knicks system.

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Stanford the Knicks will be

Stanford the Knicks will be averaging around 105 points and scoring at a high pace. Duhon cant score and
Sergio was not really that good. Felton should average at least 9 assists unless whoever at 2 guard gets a few more than he should. Roger Mason could dip into Felton's minutes and shots and that is why I amended my results because now Knicks have enough shooters that Felton does not need to take 15 shots a game. Mason will get close to 10 short whether he is starting or not and that ate into how many shots I felt Felton would get. I think when the season starts so of you guys will be surprised.

Knicks will have at least two players in the 20 range and if it isnt Felton it will be Gallinari.

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The thing is the year Amare

The thing is the year Amare only played 3 games Steve Nash won mvp and averaged 18, and 11, he made Boris Diaw a near all star, and Shawn Marion look like a top ten player, and to top it all they did better than they ever did in the playoffs with a healthy Amare.

That argument falls flat to me, Nash is a special player.

Yes amare did average 20 points but on 47% shooting.

The year Nash came he averaged 26 points on 55% shooting Nash had a HUGE impact on his game.

Amare is a very good player but Felton is a very bad pick & roll player so that part of his game will be hurt.

I expect his scoring numbers to stay about the same, but his field goal % to drop. He should do fine though.

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lol, this is old, why bump

lol, this is old, why bump this?

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Because it took me this long

Because it took me this long to figure out a smart post.

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