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Did Hornets push Eric Gordon away by drafting Austin Rivers?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8133459/eric-gordon-says-phoenix-suns-more-committed-future-new-orleans-hornets

Eric Gordon wants to go to Suns

By Ric Bucher | ESPN The Magazine

Updated: July 5, 2012, 6:27 PM ET

Eric Gordon is in Las Vegas vying for one of the final spots on the U.S. national team that will play in this summer's Olympics. He wants to go to London. But he doesn't want to come back to New Orleans.

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Gordon, a restricted free agent who has a four-year, $58 million offer sheet from the Phoenix Suns, believes they are more committed to his future than the New Orleans Hornets. The Hornets acquired Gordon from the Los Angeles Clippers last season in the deal that sent point guard Chris Paul to the Clippers.

Paul didn't want to be in New Orleans any longer, either, and Gordon suggested if the Hornets match the Suns' offer and retain him, they'd be looking at a similar situation. The four-year offer from the Suns, a source said, includes a player option on the fourth year.

"Phoenix just showed a lot more interest, overall, and definitely in how they negotiated," Gordon said. "I don't know what New Orleans' plans are for me. There are no negotiations right now."

GM Dell Demps declined to comment on Gordon's remarks, but a league source said the Hornets are fully committed to matching the Suns' offer sheet. The Hornets identified Gordon as their most talented player even after they drafted Kentucky power forward Anthony Davis with the No. 1 pick and plan to retain him as, if nothing else, an asset.

That the Hornets drafted Duke guard Austin Rivers with the 10th pick also makes Gordon question exactly what their plans are for him.

"They drafted another shooting guard, a combo guard like me, which tells me they have another plan," Gordon said.

The Suns' recent committments -- point guard Goran Dragic and small forward Michael Beasley -- are a better fit, Gordon suggested.

"Phoenix signed two other young guys that are very talented," he said. "They're already established and they're already going to get better."


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Ouch...These comments have to

Ouch...These comments have to sting Dell Demps and Monty Williams.

What should the Hornets do? Regardless of what Gordon says, they still can match his offer.

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whats the point of matching the offer

the hornets have rivers so i dont see the point of them giving gordon a max deal

i think the hornets should just trade eric gordon(s and t) to the suns for aaron brooks(s and t) and jared dudley

this would give the hornets two starters on their team and the suns the star they need

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I don't think you can do a

I don't think you can do a sign and trade with a restricted free-agent, can you? I think they have to be unrestricted.

And the only way Gordon can become unrestricted is if they withdraw his qualifying offer.

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i think the hornets would

i think the hornets would prefer to keep the cap space and tank another season if they let go Gordon.

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I guess Gordon

Is afraid Rivers might take his job.... I am so tired of these guys who whine when they not happy.

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You know....I never expected

You know....I never expected these types of comments from EJ, he has been a relatively quiet guy who has gone out and done his business. Even though he does have a right to feel this way and the Hornets may have sent him mixed messages....I fully agree with their decision in drafting Rivers, because it was insurance for EJ leaving.

Read this line "Phoenix just showed a lot more interest, overall, and definitely in how they negotiated," then think.....what if they wouldnt have drafted Rivers? EJ likely still wouldve signed that offer sheet just off GP. That statement alone should tell you that they couldve been assed out and not had either one.

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Yea, I'm honestly shocked.

Yea, I'm honestly shocked. This doesn't really seem like him.

The situation with the Clippers affected him. I can't say whether in a negative or positive way. I think the Clippers taught him that it's not personal, just business. And right now he's trying to make sure he ends up happy this time around... Even if he looks like the bad guy.

Sad thing is I think the Hornets will still match. Then he'll have to go back and face all of them. I hope he's ready for that.

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yeah, he is a good guy I

yeah, he is a good guy I think and he maybe felt slighted by the Hornets. he hasnt really been wishy washy with Dwight and spouting a bunch of crap about my heart is in New Orleans....no....he has been brutally honest. He says Phoenix is where he wants to be, and he didnt say he doesnt want to play for the Hornets...but kind of in a coy way suggesting that the Hornets do fully appreciate him. kind of like a guy courting two girls....and he tells one that you are my numero uno, meanwhile the first girl finds out he's been showering the 2nd with all types of gifts, flowers, candy, etc...

he is sending a message that he doesnt want to be their plan B once Rivers gets his game tight.

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Good points, but I'm curious

Good points, but I'm curious why you're referring to Eric Gordon as EJ?

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EJ is his nickname. Stands

EJ is his nickname. Stands for Eric Junior. His dad is Eric Senior.

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I also dont think his heart

I also dont think his heart was ever set in playing in N.O. I mean he was really disappointed that he got traded from the Clippers, and in his defense, even though he would be the leader of the Hornets....he looks at Phoenix as a place that is not starting from the absolute bottom and has young players like himself that has room to grow.

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EJ sign and trade.

Yeah, sign and trades are tough to do. Well, unless you are the Lakers then you can do anything you want.

If I were the Hornets I would do a sign and trade with Eric Gordon going to Phoenix and Jared Dudley, Markieff Morris, Sebastian Telfair, and a first round pick (lottery protected, or two second round picks) going to New Orleans.

That wouldn't be a bad trade for New Orleans. It would somewhat make up for New Orleans losing their best guard. I think a Anthony Davis/Markieff Morris up front duo would be interesting with Jason Smith as the third big man. With Jared Dudley and Al Aminu at the 3 with Austin Rivers, Jarrett Jack, GV, and Telfair in the backcourt. Then next year they can get some more help in the draft.

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The rules says

that you cant sign and trade to the team a guy signed a offer sheet to.

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lol if they did that then the

lol if they did that then the freaking front office should fired.

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Why do something that doesn't

Why do something that doesn't make you happy. If your employed by a company that you're not happy with and another company offers you a job that you like. Would you want to work for the same company?

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I was thinking about this

I was thinking about this last night. Rivers and Gordon on the same team will prob not work. If the Hornets do keep Gordon do you think they will / could trade Rivers while his stock is still relatively good ? There was quite a bit of hype going for Rivers, they could get a decent player for him before he ever steps on court....

This could boost the confidence and make him feel welcome with the Hornets. Almost reminds me a bit of the pistons when they got in ben gordon, rip hamilton got disgruntled.... And from a players point of view, you want to fill valued by your employer - just like any of us would do...

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yeah, I doubt any GM would

yeah, I doubt any GM would trade away a guy like Rivers before you see what he can do. I doubt I would if I were GM. Especially if you are relying on a guy who has injury history....it could cripple your team. I think they want EJ there to be the guy while Rivers progresses, should EJ not be healthy, they still have Rivers to help out. I think they really want both players. Its a sticky situation, especially since EJ sees himself as a combo guard....and Rivers has never adamantly declared that he wants to play PG full time. IIRC, Rip was ok with Ben at first and said he thought they would complement each other well. This situation reminds me more of Monta and Steph.

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New Orleans should consider Sign and trade

Dudley and Brooks would be decent but Robin Lopez would be a pretty good fit next to Davis.

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I think since Phoenix got

I think since Phoenix got draft picks from LA, that New Orleans should do a sign and trade and get 2 or Phoenix 1st rounders. They have enough money to sign Mayo, Courtney Lee and other guys at cheaper prices.

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way Austin Rivers/Eric Gordon

why Austin Rivers/Eric Gordon backcourt can't work together?

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Surve, it is like Monte and Steph

but EJ and Rivers games are more similar. They are both shorter 2 guard who arent really "combo guards" (IMO) because they suck at the point. They are volume scorers who take the tough shots and can drive when they want. If your a team full of holes and you draft a poor mans version of your best player who will make 1/5 his salary then the writing is on the wall. They are going to be trading him in the next two to three years anyway. If they picked Kendall Marshall or traded the 10 pick for a point guard he could get along with then he would have wanted to stay. What quality gunner doesnt want to play with a D first guy in Davis and a pass first Marshall. Vasquez and 10th (rivers) for Marshall and Lopez would have worked for both teams. Rivers star power is a lot like Curry, people love them and their star power is bigger than their game. I dont think either can ever be the second best player on a winning team.

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You can only do a sign and

You can only do a sign and trade with an urestricted free agent, Eric Gordon is restricted so everyone should stop it with their sign and trade deals.

I think the Hornets should still match the offer. They have the right, He needs to shut up and play. Basketball is a business. He'll play for 58 million wherever he is. It's 14.5 million a year. Already a number he doesn't deserve. I really never expected any statements like this from EG10. I've really lost respect for him. He seems like he's bent up about Austin Rivers, it makes you think he's scared of competition. But oh well. The Hornets were eventually going to try to play Rivers at the 1, or have the 2 as 2 interchangeable starters..

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Who are you to determine he

Who are you to determine he doesn't "deserve" this money? He's been quiet and just played his entire career thus far. After being traded from the Clippers, desite being told he was a building block, maybe now he's wanting to do all he can to make sure he ends up in a situation he wants to be in. Can you really knock him for that? He may come out looking like the "bad" guy in this situation, but him and his family will be happy in the long run, which is really what matters.

There's zero competition between him and Austin Rivers. He'd destroy Rivers. It's all about the things he said. The Suns offered him a max contract, which the Hornets didn't. He also said the Suns negotiated with him better, had a better plan for him, etc, etc.

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He must know that Rivers is

He must know that Rivers is not even close to a PG as well.

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Didn't we all?

Didn't we all?

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I think the Hornets will

I think the Hornets will sorely regret pushing Gordon away if he signs with the Suns. Eric is just a better basketball player than Austin he's a more explosive athlete and a better shooter. Ausin Rivers is an average NBA 2 guard at best. He doesn't pass the ball, averages more assists than turnovers, isn't strong, can't finish at the rim and is an average shooter and free throw shooter. He has the ego of Kobe with the talent of Jamal Crawford.

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Wait,

So a Eric Gordon/Austin Rivers combo can't work but a Eric Gordon/Shannon Brown combo would work?

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Brown will most likely not start

more like a Gron Dragic/EG combo with Dudley as the SF

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I think their games can work

I think their games can work together and also who know how love it will take for Rivers to be a legit starter and not a numbers guy

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Rivers is a numbers guy? The

Rivers is a numbers guy? The guy had the worst numbers in the draft.

But your main point is right, it will probably be years before Rivers can do anything in the NBA but take a lot of shots and shoot 40%. If he takes enough shots he will be a 20 point scorer, but he probably won't ever be as good as Eric Gordon.

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You can do a sign and trade

First off, Eric Gordon did not sign an offer sheet with the Suns, he only agreed to do so (free agents of all kinds can't sign a contract or offer sheet til July 11th). Second, Gordon and the Hornets can talk about renouncing the qualifying offer they gave to him so he could become an unrestricted free agent and a sign and trade can happen. If the Hornets do not want to do this, Gordon could then just accept the one year qualifying offer and become a restricted free agent in 2013. Either way, if Gordon really wants out of New Orleans he will have his way, this year or the next.

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THE REAL STORY HERE

Why is nobody talking about the fact that Eric Gordon is on crack for thinking hes better off in Phoenix playing with Dragic and Beasely, on a team run by a cheapskate owner, than he is staying in new orleans? They have a great coach. a filthy rich owner. tons of cap space, and a franchise big guy. I dont get it. Athletes are morons.

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I'm kind of shocked at the

I'm kind of shocked at the way the EG saga is unfolding... from a right now standpoint you can't blame EG for liking Phoenix over NOLA... Dragic, Beasley and Gortat is more enticing than Davis, Rivers and Jarret Jack but that's just right now. It's just a much better roster right now than NOLA but I really think EG and Rivers could work especially with a low scoring front court... because as good as AD can and hopefully will be... I can't see him being better than an exact copy of KG at his very best and that's never going to be a go to scorer... moving forward EG is good for 22plus, I could definitely see Rivers going for 17-20 and AD 18/11/4/2.5... If any other light other than the Porch light comes with Aminu and you have a nice young nucleus to build around.... I would resign Kaman if possible eventhough I doubt he'd re-sign I'd shoot my shot anyway... The worst thing you want is a player who doesn't want to be somewhere and it seems like EG has made his mind up that Phoenix is where he wants to be... so as talented as he is I'd take the absolute best sign and trade possible, have faith in my rookies and FA acquisitions, trust in my GM to do the best job possible and keep building... no disrespect to EG but good guards come a dime a dozen, it's not like KD is leaving OKC...

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I knew I wasn't dumb man...I

I knew I wasn't dumb man...I made a topic on draft night on the teams that drafted the same players they already had.

Toronto drafted Terrence Ross but already have a guy like that in Demar Derozen

Washington drafted Bradley Beal(Even though he's and upgrade at the 2) but already have Jordan Crawford who can score.

And the Hornets drafted Austin Rivers when they already had EG, I got negged, but i knew Eric would feel some type of way with them drafting Austin.

Eric is better yes, but that doesn't mean anything he probably feels disrespected.

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simple tho really

Pheonix offered more money did they not. Draft pick aside they still didnt offer him a max contract someonelse did.

NO -should just run the young guys fpr a bit and let them grow. Hopefully ADavis turns out to be the player alot of people expect him to be and build gradually. I still don think they can build a team, around Davis buit thats just me. Gordon should have been there priority no matter what/who they had to send that msg that hes there guy. Athletes are rich but sensitive. All these comments saying theyre suprised must remember this is a business for the players too. Blame the Clippers lol

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simple tho really

Pheonix offered more money did they not. Draft pick aside they still didnt offer him a max contract someonelse did.

NO -should just run the young guys fpr a bit and let them grow. Hopefully ADavis turns out to be the player alot of people expect him to be and build gradually. I still don think they can build a team, around Davis buit thats just me. Gordon should have been there priority no matter what/who they had to send that msg that hes there guy. Athletes are rich but sensitive. All these comments saying theyre suprised must remember this is a business for the players too. Blame the Clippers lol

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you actually made an

you actually made an excellent point....because all the while, VERBALLY...N.O. has said that Eric is their best player and they want him there and they will absolutely match any offer....but now, Eric says there have been no negotiations...lol. so look at it from EJ's point of view...looks like the Hornets are "talkin loud but aint sayin nothin!"

If someone was drafted at my position, and the team wasnt actively negotiating with me or offering me some perks to stay....looks like they have their mind already made up that they want the sexy young chick and I will be nothing more than the backup plan.

Not saying thats how N.O. feels, but just looking at it from EJ's perspective.

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Eric Gordon for Kendall

Eric Gordon for Kendall Marshall and Jared Dudley should be fine for both teams.

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are you high?

are you high?

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yes i'm leaving on a

yes i'm living on a mountain...

but what the problem with my post? you don't think it will be better for Hornets to get some value for Gordon instead of bring back an embittered player who don't want to be there?

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As a Suns fan I'd hate that

As a Suns fan I'd hate that deal. I'd rather wait a year to get Gordon and keep both of those guys.

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You know a player is smart

You know a player is smart when he "loves" the direction a teams going when their top 3 players are Marcin Gortat, Michael Beasely, and Goran Dragic. The Suns are horrible, with Steve Nash they were a lottery team, without him they will be a bottom 5 team. The fact that Gordon thinks they are a huge upgrade from New Orleans is foolish. I don't love Anthony Davis, but if he does what he's supposed to do, then he's worth far more value than any player on Phoenix, by far. And Rivers is a combo guard, but instead of hearing what most players would say and talking about how their games could mesh together, Gordon points out they are the same and wouldn't work together. This guy has never played on a winning team, and it won't shock me if that continues with this attitude he has. He cant play PG? Seriously? Didnt the Miami Heat just a win a title playing with 3-4 different guys sharing the PG duties? C'mon man. Wake up.

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everything

Everything you just said is 100% dead on.

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