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did the east really become the dominant division?

why does everyone keep saying the east is stacked and that the east improved so much? some teams improved but some teams got a hell of alot worse. toronto i would expect to win 30 games this year if their lucky, cleveland will be right there with all the other worst teams in the league. seriously who are the 8 best teams in the east?
1 miami
2 orlando
3 boston
4 chicago
5 atlanta
6 milwaukee?

Charlotte could easily be the 7th seed the only other teams with potential to snatch those spot are the wizards (whose coach is the biggest underacheiver in the league), i really have no idea if the knicks will win games or not this year. who else? everyone else in the east will be a sorry team.

It is still going to be much harder to make the playoffs in the west.
1 lakers
2 mavs
3 denver
4 thunder
5 jazz
6 portland
7 spurs
8 suns? grizzlies? hornets? kings? rockets?

the east did get stronger at top but there are still 12 teams in the west that would be playoff locks in the easts bottom 4 seeds


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The Eastern "CONFERENCE" will

The Eastern "CONFERENCE" will improve alot. Nets, Knicks, Pacers, Pistons, Bulls, Heat will all improve their record.

If you look at the west, teams like the Mavs, Spurs, Denver. They have strong teams right now, but the future isn't really bright for them. They only have a few players who have still room form improvement. The Mavs might stick around, because Cuban is crazy and they have players like Dirk two take less money to improve the team. The Suns already dropped. I would have said the Jazz dropped also, but they're recent trades saved them.

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- Milwaukee is absolutely

- Milwaukee is absolutely better than Atlanta, I don't care if Atlanta gets Shaq. They took the Hawks to 7 games in the first round last year and that was WITHOUT BOGUT, their All-NBA 3rd team center. They've added Corey Maggette, who averaged 19.8 ppg in 70 games, last year, and a very solid PF in Drew Gooden, plus Brandon Jennings will continue to grow. And there's the possibility that Redd comes back and contributes.

- I would also place the Bulls above the Celtics. Even if they don't get Redick, they are an extremely well-rounded team right now having added much-need post-scoring in Boozer and a top-notch shooter in Korver. And if they don't get Redick, they'll sign one or two other guys who can contribute. I personally expect great things from the Bulls this year, especially with Rose coming into his own as a potential superstar.

- How can Denver be above the Jazz? The Jazz beat the Nuggets in the playoffs last year without their starting small forward and starting center, lol. Jefferson is an upgrade over boozer (bigger, younger, much better defender 1.3 blocks to boozer's 0.5), Raja Bell is a terrific shooter and one of the best man-to-man defenders in the league, and Hayward could have a real impact as a versatile scorer. They're better than Denver.

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the jazz are not going to

the jazz are not going to drop. regardless of what players do what the jazz are going to find a way to win games as long as they keep their owner and coach. same goes for the spurs. look at the history of this league. when is the last time the jazz didnt find a way to win games?
young prospects are coming up all over the league not just in the east.. the kings and warriors are improving, the grizzlies are very young and are more promising than the pacers pistons or nets.
and how do you see the pistons improving? i dont get it

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Yes, but the East has about 4

Yes, but the East has about 4 championship contending teams.
Celtics
Heat
Magic
Hawks
Bulls
and MAYBE Bucks

While the West only has about 2
Lakers
Mavericks

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I don't see the East

I don't see the East improving that much. Other than the Bulls, the rest of the Eastern teams got marginally better through free agency. The west have Lakers, Mavs, OKC, Spurs, Denver, Blazers, Jazz, Suns. All of those teams are going to be well over .500.. The East have the Heat, Orlando, Bulls, Hawks, and the Celtics. There is going to be a drop off from there.

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I agree the East only has a

I agree the East only has a couple stacked teams at the top, the West still has a lot more equal talent to contend with. East is deffinitely on a rise but it will be another few years before they're considered equal or better than the West.

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@sammybuckeye13 your points

@sammybuckeye13

your points are valid. the bucks will be above the hawks this next year as long as bogut stays healthy and comes back in good form.
the bulls may be above the celtics but they did lose their best perimeter defender and picking up korver is the opposite of solving that problem.
denver has gotten stronger throughout this off season where as the jazz i feel has dropped a little. also that team that lost in the playoffs didnt have their coach and were playing as a team without an identity. whne george karl was on their bench they were the 2nd best team in the west. look at their record for the first 50 games of last year

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the east has three contending

the east has three contending teams.

same for the West Lakers, spurs mavs, thing is west has OCK, Portland, Utah, Houston, Denvers, a bunch of other teams, and besides the Wolves im not seeing any BAD teams.

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i agree with you man. minny

i agree with you man. minny is the only team that doesnt show promise in the west. stupid mistake passing on cousins. possibly new orleans could suck depending how their point guard situation plays out. every other team in the west is looking good to me including the warriors even. the clippers despite not getting a big pickup have potential to be a playoff team depending on how much of an impact griffin and aminu make

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dont sleep on the

dont sleep on the jazz,grizzlies,kings & suns....cousins is the talk of the summer league..they have an emerging superstar in tyreke evans that will only get better..a shoot blocking center in dalambert ..they might become the new twin towers..and even though the suns lost stoudemire i think they're still win 50 games..with the addition of hedo..he'll give them 3 premier passers and playmakers in the starting lineup..but they will not do anything come playoff time..after being together for a year..the grizzlies now have created great chemistry..if they can add more shooting and another big man..they might be a 4 or 5 seed...

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I think the East is going to

I think the East is going to be much better. You have contenders in Miami, Orlando, Boston and Chicago. I think Atlanta still falls short of that level. Milwaukee will be better but it all depends on the continued development of Brandon Jennings, a healthy Andrew Bogut, and the Drew Gooden and Cory Maggette experiment. The West is still strong. LA is the clear favorite. There are also strong teams San Antonio, Dallas, and Denver. I think there are two wild cards in the West Phoenix and Houston. Phoenix added another playmaker in Turkgolu. THey lost Amare but they've made some good deals to add some good young players. I also think people are sleeping on Houston. Last year they were competitive in a tough conference and evision and that was without Yao. You add Yao to Kevin Martin, Aaron Brooks, Trevor Ariza and the rookie Patrick Patterson and that team looks as strong as it's been in the last few years. The east is better at the top for sure but it remains to be seen how the middle to lower teams are going to improve. There are still quite abit of deals yet to be done so we still have some time for the speculation.

PS - Utah I think may take a step back. Jefferson is a nice pick up but he's not the same pick-n-roll threat as Boozer. He doesn't have that midrange jumper.

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What separates the west from

What separates the west from the east is the ability to build teams. The only team in the west i would not be happy for as a fan right now would be Golden State. Besides them every team has a good shot at the playoffs or is looking stacked for the future.
Lakers-favorites by the sane world
Dallas- Talented and likely contender
Denver-Top 4 seed for years if melo stays
Utah-Management and coaching won't let them lose
OKC-Nuff said
Pheonix- Hedo will work well in running style, young talent as wel
Houston-Loaded with quality players at all positions, long as big china stays healthy
SA- Same as Utah
Cllippers-Griffin, Gordon, and young studs look like a quality future
Kings-Loaded with young talent if attitudes are right
Portland-Can't imagine them not makin playoffs
Memphis-Again, stacked at every position with youth
Minnesotta-Questionable management but still look young and talented
New Orleans-One team i'm not sure about, still CP3 is a stud

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SammyBuckEye u said it

SammyBuckEye u said it! Milwaukee is better than Atlanta. Milwaukee has lots of depth coming off the bench. They have Mbah Moute, Delfino/Maggette, Michael Redd, Larry Sanders, Hobson, and Gallon. Milwaukee Bucks are on the rise! Their starting 5 is very impressive too with Jennings, Salmons, Maggete/Delfino, Gooden, and Bogut. They actually made a great push last year to take the Hawks to a 7 game series, without Bogut. With their offseason achievements they WILL l for sure be a better team than the Hawks. GO BUCKS!!!

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flybobbyfly on the East vs West

I tend to agree with flybobbyfly.

Obviously Miami is vastly improved and Orlando is clearly a powerhouse. But let's examine some of the other teams.

EAST
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1. Boston has talent but they will be a year older
2. Unless there is a surprise deal, NY is going nowhere
3. The Nets are still terrible
4. I'm not impressed with Chicago but they do have a fantastic PG
5. Other than Miami, I think the up and coming team in the East is Milwaukee
6. Charlotte is going nowhere
7. Atlanta is very good but will they improve or did they hit their peak last season?

WEST
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a. If Greg Oden and Prysbilla are healthy, Portland has a shot at becoming a powerhouse

b. OKC could become a dominant team

c. Don't laugh, but Sacramento is on their way to becoming a playoff team again

d. And of course if Yao is healthy, Houston is a team to fear

e. I never saw Jefferson play, but if he is the real deal, look out for Utah next season

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How often do you watch ball?

How often do you watch ball? You have never seen Jefferson play?

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Jefferson has been a beast.

Jefferson has been a beast. He just haven't been playing in a big market, so not too many people know about him. Now since Jefferson is playing with a good point guard, he's probably going to be even better, and Jazz's system seems like it will fit him.

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Jammin-Lemon Asked Me A Question

Jammin-Lemon asked, "How often do you watch ball? You have never seen Jefferson play?"

I've watched basketball all my life. The NBA has a nasty habit of showing the same teams every week. That means they also ignore a number of teams who almost never show up on national TV. I can tell you that where I live, I never saw a Minnesota Timberwolves game on television. Why is that so hard for you to believe?

I'm sure they were on at one time or another, but I don't watch basketball every night of the week. I have many other priorities in my life.

Note:

I probably saw Jefferson play earlier in his career, but I really don't remember seeing much of him with the Celtics.

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west is still better, but the

west is still better, but the east does have 3 of the top 4 teams.

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llperez on the East

Llperez, I assume you're including Boston in that list of the top 3? If so, don't you think with one more year of age on Garnett and Ray Allen, they won't be nearly as good next year?

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I was just asking. It's just

I was just asking. It's just that you always seem very knowledeable about everything that has to do with NBA basketball. everything you post makes you seem like you know everything. I was just surprised you said that. thats all.

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I think Miami is the team to

I think Miami is the team to beat purely because of the hype...the expectations are sky high. I expect them to make it to the Finals at the very least. For the West its obvious that the Lakers are the clear cut favorite to make it out the West. Orlando will be the 3rd best team becuase Dwight Howard is such a presence downlow, they will provide a big challenge to Mia. Boston will be steady if they stay healthy but i can't see the beating Mia. they are just too young, athletic and talented. Chicago and Dallas are the in the next tier.

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Jammin-Lemon

Jammin-Lemon, thanks for the feedback and explanation. Yes, I've been around basketball all my life, far longer than many of the guys on this website. When these guys talk about some of the great retired players they read about or only saw on film, I sometimes chuckle because I actually watched them play live.

I'm convinced that I know as much about basketball as anyone.

However, as much as I enjoy the game, I have a life that goes beyond basketball. Therefore, I don't watch games 7 days a week like a lot of guys who participate on this website. As a result, they clearly know much more than I do about individual players. And there is no substitute for honesty, I simply never saw Minnesota play. In light of that, I couldn't possibly make an intelligent assessment of Al Jefferson.

Anyway, thanks for the compliment, at least it sounded like a compliment ......

Have a great day!

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yeah id take the west. even

yeah id take the west. even GS has a interesting team with david lee,curry, and monta with a healthy andries and brenden wright

also jefferson isnt a upgrade over boozer. hes just as bad at defense as boozer is other then better shot blocker. he doesnt have the midrange that boozer has and hes still getting back to his old self after the bad injury he had. with all that said hes only a step down from boozer so thats still very good

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Cool. Yeah it was a

Cool. Yeah it was a compliment...everytime I see you post I like to read it t get some new persective or insight...

Anyways If you didn't know my old username was mikenike...just to let you know.

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mikenike, Thanks for the Kind Words

mikenike or Jammn-Lemon, you are one of my NBADraft.net favorite guys. If I remember correctly you are a college student. Is that correct? Why did you change your moniker?

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Some of My Favorite NBADraft.net Members

Even if I didn't correctly remember your age, I can definitely say you always made interesting, intelligent comments. I can't say that about too many people on this site, most of whom I ignore.

Some of my other favorites are Llperez, Jnixon, DanEboy, and JoeWolfe1. There are a few other guys I usually read, but I must apologize because I can't think of their names at this moment.

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Thank you. Thats nice to

Thank you. Thats nice to hear.

No, I am going into my senior year of HS this september, and I just turned 17.

I changed my username because I got tired of it, lol, seriously.

And I agree, the users above are very knowledgeable but there are a bunch more some that don't post a whole lot...Like every site there are the good users, and the annoying users that aren't as knowledgable. Still, I like to atleast read everyones comments because I might learn something.

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@rtbt, about the celtics, yes

@rtbt, about the celtics, yes i am considering them contenders. I dont expect them to finsh with a great regualr season record, but come playoff time when it counts, they will be right there in the mix. They defend to well not to be there. And i dont see KG or Ray really digressing much, although pierce might. Also, dont sleep on the jermaine oneal pickup, if healthy and without having ahigh level of responsibility, he can be a very solid addition.

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i wont say

the east is the better conference but i do think they got a hell of a lot better in at least the top 6. by not losing bron and bosh to the west and adding boozer and amare to the east i cant say the all star game has been decided

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llperez on the Celtics

Llperez the problem is not regression in terms of talent, aging is the issue. Garnett and Ray Allen have reached the age where injuries occur more frequently and healing time is extended. As for Jermaine O'Neil, I agree with you but only if he can stay healthy. And as you already know, with Jermaine O'Neal, that's a big if.

Older players often make up for the loss of physical skills with experience and knowledge, However, they can't recover from injuries like they did when they were in their 20's, so that's usually a bigger issue.

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