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Detailed explaination as to why Dallas is a possible LeBron destination

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Detailed explaination as to why Dallas is a possible LeBron destination

Before you dismiss this as absolutely impossible, hear me out.

I highly doubt he'd want to play in Chicago, since that is and will always be Jordan's city, and with LeBron's giant ego, do you really think he would want to play in his shadow? I personally don't.

The Cavs haven't shown the ability to find a good enough supporting cast for James to reach the Finals. If you placed the rest of their team with nearly any other player in the league, they would struggle to make the playoffs as an 8 seed. Danny Ferry has proven to be more or less a joke of a GM in this league, and I don't see that changing any time soon. Plus, did you see how little LeBron cared about losing game 6? Looked like he was relieved to be able to leave the Cavs IMO.

If the Nets get John Wall, I think they have a very, very, VERY slim shot of winning the LeBron sweepstakes, but even if they do, I'm not sure he would go there. Outside of Lopez and Wall, the team has just about nothing. LeBron would make them a decent contender, but not a near certain lock for a championship team.

I don't see him going to the Knicks because they don't have cap room for another max player, and will more than likely end up way overpaying a very good player with superstar-esque money, and surround them with garbage, which won't be enough to win a title.

The Mavericks, on the other hand, already have a stacked roster and were good enough to finish with the 4th best record in the league. They did get bounced in the first round, but the only ingredient they are really missing is a player who can be a force driving to the hole, and a player who can take the scoring load off of Dirk every now and then. They have more than enough pieces in place to swing a sign-and-trade deal for James if he decides he wants to come to Dallas as well. A possible trade could be Erick Dampier ($12 million non-guaranteed contract that expires after this season), Caron Butler ($9 million, expires after the year), 2 future 1st round picks, and an extra $3 million cash for LeBron. By making the deal, the Cavs at least get something back for LeBron in Butler, even though he is nowhere near LBJ's level, and will pocket about $15 million, as they will immediately release Dampier with no cap hit, since his contract isn't guaranteed, and the $3 million in cash. The two number ones are really just filler, but will make it seem like they got everything they could for their departing superstar.
LeBron and the Mavs, on the other hand, would instantly have to be the favorites, or one of them, to win the title in 2011.

Now, some reasons why LeBron would want to go to Dallas:

1.) Winning-Donnie Nelson has proven himself as one of the top GMs in basketball, and with the current core of players, the Mavs can be contenders for at least 3 or 4 more years. Add LeBron to the mix, and all of the players that would sign for a bit less money to play with him and win titles, the title window could be infinitely open in Dallas.

2.) Dirk- He would give LeBron something he has never truly played with-a true superstar. Add in the fact that Dirk has zero ego and would be fine with LeBron taking center stage every night, and the fact that his jumpshooting and ability to stretch the defense, but also attack the rim would mesh seamlessly with James' game, the two of them could produce the best 1-2 combo since Shaq and Kobe.

3.) Jason Kidd- James has long wanted to play with Kidd. In 2008, James was pushing the Cavs to trade for him. Last offseason, the Knicks attmepted to sign Kidd, knowing how much LeBron wanted to play with him.

4.) LeBron's legacy- By coming to Dallas, LeBron would basically be writing his own legend in the city of Dallas. They have never won a championship (but have won 50+ in 10 straight years), and besides Dirk, have never had a HOF player in their prime years. If LeBron played in Dallas for 10 years and won a few championships, his name and the city would be as synonymous as Jordan-Chicago or Bird-Boston.

5.) Market-Many think he will go to New York because of its market size, but Dallas isn't far behind. Where ever he goes, the NBA will focus on him a ton, obviously and Mark Cuban is a marketing wizard. Add those two things together, and you get...

6.) Money- LeBron is going to get a ton of marketing opportunities anywhere he goes, but pairing him with someone like Cuban will only bring him more. Plus, while he would be signing a free agent deal with the other teams, where he can only get 5yr/19 million per year, a sign-and-trade to Dallas would net him a 6yr/21 million per year deal, resulting in an extra $31 million in salary.

7.) Tax- If he stays in Cleveland, he will get that same 6yr/21 mil per contract, but with their state income tax laws, some of that will be taken away. Dallas doesn't have that law, so his $21 million per year would equal about $26 million in another state.

Also, Mark Cuban possibly will be getting some recruiting help from the owner of James' favorite NFL team-the Cowboys. Jones is a very convincing man, and has lured many players to the city of Dallas. Throw in the fact that the Mavs are going to eventually play at least a handful of games every year at the new Cowboys stadium (another draw for LeBron), and the Mavs actually have a more than decent chance of signing the King to come and rule their city.


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Just to be clear...

Yes, I am a Mavs fan, but I'm not saying he will sign here. I was just bringing up another scenario that has merit, and giving the pros of coming to Dallas against the cons of going elsewhere, since nobody really talks about this possibility.

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Ummm... no

Sorry, I only skimmed your post but I see several major problems here.

First, listing Kidd and Dirk as guys James would like to play with. The problem with that is that both these guys are on the wrong side of 30. James does not want to be a one championship guy. He wants multiple championships. For that, he is looking for teammates that are still young.

Second, it is highly unlikely the Cavs agree to a sign and trade. The Cavs are still trying to sign him. By telling James they won't agree to a sign and trade that limits his options and thus makes their offer sound much better. The less competition the better for them.

Third, lets say if the Cavs agree to do a sign and trade with James. Do you really think the Cavs are going to trade the best player in basketball for Dampier, Butler, and some low first rounders? Wouldn't they be better off letting him go for nothing? Seriously why waste cap space on those guys when they could use the cap space to sign someone better. There is zero incentive for the Cavs to do this trade.

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Fair enough

I was just listing reasons why he may consider Dallas. I, like everyone else expect LeBron himself, really have zero idea where he may end up, and I was just trying to evoke some thought outside of the normal Cleveland, Nets, Knicks, Bulls ideas that have been thrown around so often.

I'll try to dispute your points as best I can though.

1.) Yes, Dallas is an older team, but Dirk still has probably 3 or 4 more very productive seasons left, and can be a key contributor for many years to come because there will always be a spot for a lights-out shooting seven footer. Kidd showed in the 2nd half that he still has something left in the tank, and as long as his minutes can be controlled better (and with the big leads LeBron would provide, that would be more likely) for at least a year or two longer. Roddy Beaubois has an extremely high ceiling and could turn into a star once Kidd leaves, plus the Mavs front office has proven to be one of the best in the league over the last decade, and has shown they can effectively build around a superstar before.

2.) LeBron has all the leverage here. The Cavs really don't have any. If LeBron wants to play in New York, he will sign there, LAC, he'll sign there. If he wants to re-up with Cleveland, then yeah, they'll obviously sign him back, but if LeBron says he wants to go to Dallas, yes the Cavs will sign him, but it will be understood between the two parties that he is leaving for Dallas via trade. I've read about how the stars always hold the leverage in S-A-T situations, so I'll try to find a few links later to back up my point.

and 3.) Yes, the Cavs are not getting nearly the same level of talent in return, but when teams trade a star in a sign-and-trade, they never do. Case in point, when Rashard Lewis went to Orlando, Seattle only got a 2nd round pick and a $9 million trade exemption. The deal makes more sense for the Cavs than you give it credit for though. Without LeBron, the Cavs will obviously be in rebuilding mode. In the trade, they free up $12 million for the 2010-11 season by being able to immediately release Dampier. His contract isn't guaranteed, so by releasing him, the Cavs pocket the 12 mil. Also, Butler's contract expires after next season, so the Cavs are actually freeing up $21 million in cap space for the 2011 offseason and beyond by doing this trade, and the 2 number 1's are just filler to appease the casual fan.

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Great post. I've actually

Great post. I've actually heard this possibilty before. As much as I can't stand lebron Dallas would begin a dynasty. They'd instantly have more talent than any team and they'd have everything. The only thing that held Dallas back this year was the lack of a guy that could get to the rim on their own. Butler at times but obviously not enough. Dirk would have one of the most efficient seasons EVER because it'd basically be pick your poison with them. They'd have Kidd at the point who distributes well obviously, maybe put lebron at the 2, Marion at the 3 for the intangibles, Dirk with shooting on the perimeter and when necessary back to the basket game, and Haywood in the middle to clean up and be a domineering presence in the middle. Off the bench you still have Terry who would also have an efficient year because of all the attention directed at everyone else, beaubois is still growing, barea for energy and then they'd probably need to get a backup big and they'd have something everywhere. They wouldn't be one of those teams with 'too' much talent because they'd mesh really nicely and no one would be able to stop them. Barring injury they could maybe catch the bulls 72 win mark. That could be a stretch but they'd have all the pieces to kick the best teams in the league now into the dirt

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so you think he would take a

so you think he would take a MLE contract?

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Kobyz

Who? LeBron? If you're asking about LeBron taking a MLE, the answer is obviously a gigantic no. The Cavs would sign him to a max deal (6 years/$125.5 million) and then trade him to Dallas with the trade I mentioned above > Damp and Butlers' expiring contracts, 3million cash, two 1st round picks for James.

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1st, I would like to say welcome to the site. Refer to my "Welcome" post in the off-topic section when you get a chance; It explains most of the things that will probably confuse you later on. To be honest, I've been pretty sick of hearing various trade scenarios for LeBron, but I really enjoyed reading your post, and you do have a very valid point. I never even thought about LeBron in Dallas before.

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I've read a lot of Lebron can

I've read a lot of Lebron can come to dallas in dallasbasketball.com
to be clear:Can it happen?Yes ,what is the chances? very slim tbh
I am a mavs fan too but I won't expect too much next off season
This off season a lot of teams would be disappointed because all tho hopes will end up with no big name FA coming
at least we haven't do as many teams and traded our talent a way for such slim chances

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This was an excellent post.

This was an excellent post. Made a lot of scene. I can agree with everything said, and I could see it happening.

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Great post. Everything made

Great post. Everything made sense, unlike a lot of these other LeBron free-agency posts.

There's only one thing that could hold this up though... And that's the Cavs' willingness to participate in a sign and trade. Teams never get fair value in sign and trades, but they won't even get CLOSE to getting value that's up to par with LeBron. I also see the Cavs being bitter if LeBron chooses to leave their franchise. I don't think they'll help him get more money and then watch him walk away.

I think the Cavs will tell him either we sign you to 6 years/$125.5 million or you go to another team and take 6 years/$95.5 million.

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I don't see him going to the

I don't see him going to the Knicks because they don't have cap room for another max player, and will more than likely end up way overpaying a very good player with superstar-esque money, and surround them with garbage, which won't be enough to win a title.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!

The Knicks have cap space for 2 max level free agents. They could add LBJ with another great player.

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Are you sure they have enough

Are you sure they have enough for two max deal free-agents? I'm sure the Knicks will decline the qualifying offer on Sergio and renounce the rights to ALL of their free-agents, but they'll only have five players on their roster after that. The NBA charges you a cap hold (league's minimum salary I think) per roster spot under ten. Are you sure the Knicks have enough for two max deal free-agents when you add that in?

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Yes. NY will have enough

Yes. NY will have enough space to add 2 Max level free agents along with filling out there roster.

I also believe they have a trade exception along with all their exceptions.

Edit: The Knicks will have about 40.25 million in cap space. We will have 5 players next season on the roster. If NY buys a 1st round pick and keeps both 2nd rounders- They will have 8 players under the cap with space to still add 2 max level free agents. If NY goes slightly over the cap- NY can use the BAE and MLE as well to push the roster to 12.

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Dallas

Dallas is actually a reasonable place for Lebron to go if he wants to win. Dirk is the most important piece and I agree that he has 3-4 years left if he decides to play that long. I think his style of play and skill set will enable him to continue to be effective as he gets older with little dropoff. My biggest concern with Dallas is their age, but Cuban is committed to winning now, so he has no problem taking on bigger and longer deals to attempt to do that. I believe that Dallas offers more of a chance to win than what Cleveland has.

The problem if you are the Cavs is that you don't want to do a sign and trade, but you probably want to make sure you get something back if he bolts. A team that actually has the money available without having to force a sign and trade has more leverage though than a team like Dallas. Right now if Lebron were to leave Cleveland might have the midlevel exception left, they could re-sign their own free agents or sign guys to minimum deals. So you might decide to do a sign and trade just so your team isn't a complete disaster next year. No one is going to fear Mo Williams, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Antwan Jamison and Anderson Varejo next year except maybe the Timberwolves.

If he goes to NY it has nothing to do with winning. If I'm him and I want to win, I can't even imagine signing until I see who the other all star I am getting paired up with is. If I'm Lebron I'm willing to take my chances with Wade. I could make some noise with Bosh or Amare, but I really don't know if I would want Bosh and Lebron on the same team because of their personalities. I like Joe Johnson a lot, but we saw him disappear in the playoffs in the worst way possible and if I remember correctly he did the same last year. After that I don't want to get stuck with Boozer or get David Lee back to play as my center.

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If he goes to NY it has

If he goes to NY it has nothing to do with winning.

Not right now but NY could go and add players to help him win.

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The Knicks are in re-building

The Knicks are in re-building mode. I just can't see him going there, unless it's a pure business decision.

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This is kind of like the

This is kind of like the trade I was talking about "Bosh to Dallas". Give Butler a chance on a new team if he busts is contract is up. I think Butler, Damp and Kidd are moveable for Dallas. Kidd will get traded while he still has value. I think Dallas in any sign and trade scenario would like to move Kidd and let Beaubois start at the point. I just see Bosh to Dallas more likely because Dallas has yet to resign Dirk, Haywood is FA this year and Bosh is cheaper then James. James will goto a team with a nice young core, but with some vets. I guess LBJ had his falling out with Wall or something because Wall isn't one of his clients. So I don't think LBJ will play with Wall. Oh and Butler to Cleveland would bring him back to the old Wiz Jamison. Good or Bad. Use that 15 mill instead to get a trade exception trade to Wiz for Arenas and BAM the Wiz that Cleveland rivaled with.

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I disagree. If NY could bring

I disagree. If NY could bring in another good talent and some helpful draft picks and could present LBJ with a plan...I think NY has a chance.

Chandler, Walker, Douglas and Gallo are solid players in the NBA. There not the best players a team could offer but they are solid. The Knicks will need to improve that before courting LBJ.

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The Nets already have two

The Nets already have two first round picks, and are very likely to buy more. Also the have Harris as trade bait for a sign, and trade.

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Alright. That is very true.

Alright. That is very true. My question: Does LBJ want to play in New Jersey?

Chicago and New York are bigger cities with more NBA history. LeBron wants to be a GLOBAL icon.

Plus, I believe if NJ doesn't get John Wall- The odds for LBJ go down a little bit.

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LBJ is gone/No sign and Trade either...

He turns his back on Ohio and leaves for the Nets if they draft Wall and promise to go after Amare...Wall/Williams/LBJ/Amare/Brook will an exiting yet none championship winning team....they will be the toast of the NBA...The Bulls will sign Wade not Lebron...Dallas will try to sign Dirk and trade him for Bosh in the biggest star for star swap in Nba history...The Raptors will try to trade for Kaman as well...

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