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Derrick Williams to Sac for Mbah A Moute Finalized

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Derrick Williams to Sac for Mbah A Moute Finalized

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Mbah A Moute will add defense and Williams youth to their respective teams. Seems like a win/win and lose/lose in a way for both teams.

Giving up potential is always hard, and they probably could have gotten a better deal, but Mbah A Moute is a piece that fits a need.

As for Sac, it's tough to be defensive minded when you give up your best defensive players.


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Minnesota wins big, Mbah A

Minnesota wins big, Mbah A Moute has a specific role in the NBA that he does well, those types of players always has a place on a roster. Williams is a tweener that really can't guard conventional 3's or 4's.

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To be fair it wasn't like

To be fair it wasn't like Sacramento was playing great defense with him or without him.

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True, but you don't get

True, but you don't get better by getting rid of your best defenders, you add more defenders.

PG defense dropped significantly IMO when they let Evans go in a sign and trade. I think he has the potential to be a very good defender and with this staff that might have come to fruition. Using the Clippers game as an example, Mbah A Moute did the best job covering CP3, and the Clippers scored in under 4 seconds the play after he fouled out.


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Disagree, Evans is an ok

Disagree, Evans is an ok player but I don't think he is worth the contract he got and his jumpshot seemed like it would never improve. The Kings in general just need more talent and Williams is talented and could be used as a trade chip to maybe package with Thornton or someone to get a good small forward. Stockpiling young talent isn't a bad thing. Plus Moute couldn't really contribute on offense from what I saw.

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I'm not saying they should

I'm not saying they should have signed Evans for the contract he received, I'm saying the only guys that could play D are no longer there. The new regime preaches D and then loses the team's best two defenders. That can happen for a number of reasons, but you should be trying to replace those players with other guys that play D. . .if that's your philosophy.

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For a team like the Kings you

For a team like the Kings you can't think about this season honestly. They just aren't a good team so they have to look towards the future. If I remember correctly the front office and other positions weren't filled until a couple days before the draft so setting up offseason priorities were probably rushed and they went into this season just looking for player improvement(which has happened with Cousins and Thomas imo and Mclemore is having an ok rookie campaign) and a stable rotation. Moute wasn't going to be part of their future. They are more than likely look forward to this up coming draft for the SF of the future. They probably knew they weren't getting anyone overwhelmingly good in free agency so no point in wasting money. The defense is something that is going to have to be fixed in time once the talent is acquired that can practice what they preach. But I do agree that there isn't really anyone there to play defense.

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I think both teams win here.

I think both teams win here. mbah a moute is a defensive role player that can help most teams but is not a difference maker. Watching lakers/kings last night, at no point did mbah a moute make his presence felt. But Minnesota might be a better fit for him. As for the kings, they add another guy with potential. I could see him starting at either the 3 or 4 for them. Well get to see this year if DWill was just in a bad fit or if he just doesn't have a skill set that stands out.

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If Adelman couldn't get

If Adelman couldn't get production out of him, do you see this Kings franchise doing so? As a franchise they have been preaching defense, I don't know that they are making the moves to follow through with that stated philosophy.

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I would rather trade for Luc

I would rather trade for Luc Longley but close enough.

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As a Kings fan, I'm pretty

As a Kings fan, I'm pretty excited. D-Will most likely will never reach what his expectations were but I believe that he still can be an alright player, he's only 22. What really killed my Kings was taking Jimmer over Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson then taking T-Rob over Lillard, Barnes and Drummond.

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I don't mind this deal.

I don't mind this deal. T'Wolves get a player they can use in their rotation and the Kings get a young player who can finally play how he wants to play (outside in). The Kings need a stretch 4 since PPatt hasn't panned out as planned. With Williams they get another crack at finding Cousins' frontcourt mate who can keep help defenders off of him and out of the paint. I wonder if the Kings are gonna try Derrick at the 3. What I don't like about it for the Kings is that Williams doesn't not improve their defense or IQ. He probably makes them worse in those areas.

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I like the trade for the

I like the trade for the Kings, Mbah A Moute made his presence felt during that Clippers game but that is the only time this year I have been impressed with his play. Might as well roll the dice on Williams while winning seems more of a hindrance for the future than it normally would be.

The Kings are also rumored to be shopping Marcus Thornton and pretty much any player (outside of Cousins, Vasquez, BMac, and hopefully Thomas) to grab future assets so I hope to see more deals soon.

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Ok...BUT

Ok...the deal in and of itself is alright. But think about this. Mbah A Moute was traded to Sacto for...A SECOND ROUNDER. The Wolves could have had him this summer for that price, and didn't go after it. By making this trade, we're effectively deciding that D-Will is worth a second rounder. WHY CANT THE WOLVES HAVE COMPETENT MANAGEMENT!?

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They've tried to deal DWill

They've tried to deal DWill since after his rookie year. Nobody bit. After a period of time teams forget about where the player was taken and just look at the player for what he is. This is what he was worth. Can LRMAM be a part of their rotation? Yes, which is more value to their team than DWill was.

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Derrick Williams averaged

Derrick Williams averaged 15-6 last season after the all-star break so i think he still has some upside

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GMs aren't easily fooled by

GMs aren't easily fooled by raw numbers. Those points came with below average efficiency, there's nothing impressive about 6 boards from a PF, he had virtually no other peripherals and his defense was still poor.

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Some GM's are, how else would

Some GM's are, how else would you explain Rudy Gay, Melo and Amare all getting max contracts ? It certainly wasn't their defence, passing or any other intangibles - it was pure PPG (raw numbers).

I am not saying Williams is going to be an all-star or even a starter for that matter, I just thought they might have gotten a bit more for a former second overall pick.

Did we all quickly forget that most of us had in the top 2 or 3 of our mocks for most of that season leading up to him being drafted.

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Apples to oranges. If you

Apples to oranges. If you think those guys got their extensions simply off of their PPG then you're mistaken. It wasn't just about what they scored, but how they scored and the attributes they possessed that led to them producing as much as they did. Melo didn't just score, he was an ELITE scorer. One of the best if not THE best scorers in the game, capable of attracting extra defensive attention every possession, creating his own shot, being a physical mismatch almost every night, volume scoring on solid efficiency, the ability to score from all over the floor and hit clutch shots at the end of games. On top of that he had superstar status and put butts in seats. Amare was an elite big man scorer, perennial all-star, the ultimate pick n roll/pop weapon because of his finishing ability and elite mid-range jumper. Rudy was not always the super inefficient volume scorer that he is today. At the time of his extension, he was a 20/7 on 47% from the field scorer at the age of 23 who was on the upswing, had a budding skillset, with the ability to create mismatches, create his own offense, hit clutch shots and possessing some of the best physical tools in the league for his position.

Attributes >> raw stats. What positive attributes has Derrick Williams shown even during his stretch of extended run last yr? He wasn't an efficient scorer. Didn't rebound at a high rate. Didn't create mismatches. There is no part of his offensive game that his team can depend on or that he can hang his hat on. It looked more like his raw numbers were just a function of him getting PT (out of necessity), not because he was particularly good or deserved more minutes. Plenty of players' lines can look decent if given 30 mpg... if you ignore pertinent stuff like efficiency or how they got their points. On top of that, he's shown very little improvement in his game. At some point you have to forget about where a player was taken and look at the player for what he is. I'm sure GMs didn't factor in where Thabeet was taken when the Grizz were trying to flip him during his rookie contract. This past summer the 6ers couldn't give away Evan Turner for a mid-late first even though they tried to before draft night. Thomas Robinson's on his 3rd team already and I'm sure hardly any GMs care that he was a top 5 pick last yr.

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I wish derrick the best.

The wolves are trying to solidify their rotation, and I get that, but what is the end game here? As a singular move this isn't a terrible trade, but big picture-wise there are larger problems at hand.

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I'm just glad Derrick

I'm just glad Derrick Williams gets a chance to play extensive minutes. He's not a bench guy, he's a starter. He'll pick his spots to be effective and efficient, but if you ask him to score in bunches off the bench he'll disappoint you - that's not his game.

Going to have to start watching Kings games to see how he goes, but I'm glad he finally has a chance to play, because for whatever reason Adelman just plain didn't like him.

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What the &$#%#&@! are the

What the &$#%#&@! are the Kings doing at power forward?

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It's clear they're not

It's clear they're not contending this season, which is why this move is a low risk/high reward move if DWill ever develops into a decent player.

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I'm just saying between

I'm just saying between Thompson and Landry and T-Rob and Patterson and Williams all within the last 8 months, they don't have any stability nor a clear direction of what they want.

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Hopefully Williams gets an

Hopefully Williams gets an opportunity to start in Sacramento, and I still think he has potential to average 15-20 PPG. This seems like a low-risk, high-reward move for a Sacramento team that wasn't going to do anything anyway. The T-Wolves are getting a very useful player in Mbah a Moute, coming from a Bucks fan who watched him for multiple years.

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Hopefully Williams gets an

Hopefully Williams gets an opportunity to start in Sacramento, and I still think he has potential to average 15-20 PPG. This seems like a low-risk, high-reward move for a Sacramento team that wasn't going to do anything anyway. The T-Wolves are getting a very useful player in Mbah a Moute, coming from a Bucks fan who watched him for multiple years.

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The deal in my mind looks

The deal in my mind looks fairly neutral, Pete D'Alessandro the Kings GM comes with a solid reputation and is known to use statistical analysis and Flip Saunders was a top NBA coach for many years so I'd suggest they both must be happy with the deal.

Williams wasn't getting much time under Coach Adelman and Mbah A Moute will bring instant defence to the T-Wolves. He'll play around Corey Brewer and can play some PF to allow K-Love to watch his minutes. The Kings are in long term rebuild and might see Williams' scoring as more of a current asset than Moute's defence. They can use Williams to compete for minutes with Patterson, Outlaw and Salmons, plus they may see him as a natural PF alongside DMC.

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