derrick williams #1 really?
i understand that derrick williams is a great player... and he is definately worthy of the pick... but over kyrie irving?? does he really change a franchise more than kyrie??? i gotta go with definately no.. i really dont see ANY situation where derrick williams goes #1 over kyrie irving... no matter what..
EDIT: the ONLY way derrick williams goes #1 is if washington somehow gets the #1 again..
I don't see it either. I'll take the franchise PG over an undersized PF/tweener.
Sacramento might choose Williams over Irving too; they've got Reke and Thornton in their back-court now, and still a bit of a hole at the SF spot which Williams could fill; if all else fails he could be a distance shooting SF, but I doubt that's all we'll get from him.
If Rubio comes over Williams might get drafted by Minny too, and Cleveland is another team which could take Williams to fill SF and then draft a Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight with their second pick.
If GSW win the lottery, they won't be taking Irving either, neither will Milwaukee and of course, Washington. That's 6 teams in the lottery who would potentially take another player over Irving and at least three definite teams who wouldn't (GSW, Bucks, Wizards).
Oky. but this all depends on what team has the first pick
Like the T wolves would probaby and have to go with Kyrie Irving
but i they feel micheal beasly is not the answer then Derrick Williams. would be drafted and beasly forced to be traded.
But idk honestly dont know what we should take
i also have him go second after Kyrie Irving!
It just shows you how weak this year's draft is, if Derrick Williams is mentioned as the 1st overall pick.....I see alot of the same similarities in his game that Tyrus Thomas have...Thomas blew some folks away with his explosive athletic skills and some mentioned him as the top prospect in 2006..But after 5 years in the league,he still havent developed a perimeter game,have a hard time guarding bigger players...And he's still struggling to find what his role is...
Thomas was more of an athlete. Williams is very skilled. I think he may wind up being ROY depending on what team he goes to.
I wouldn't compare Williams and tyrus Thomas at all offensively
he should be fine. As long as he's not playing behind anyone I could see him being a force in the league. Now, this all changes if he does play behind someone. I don't see the potential in his game as a "tweener" or undersized 4 man to actually get better while not playing as much.
Derrick Williams and Kevin Love would be a great forward duo. Two good scorers and rebounders, and both can hit outside shots. Williams would give them a shotblocking threat at the 3 which would be nice. Then you can let Darko be Darko and just block some shots and get some rebounds.
If I were the T-Wolves I would then trade Beasley, perhaps for some back court help. Assuming Rubio comes over next year, I have them taking Shelvin Mack at 20. A tough combo guard scorer off the bench. Maybe they can throw in Jonny Flynn in the Beasley deal.
Then they would have Kevin Love and Derrick Williams as a great 1-2 punch, Ricky Rubio as the floor general and creator, Darko as an intimidator and rebounder, Anthony Randolph can back up either Love or Williams and can do some of everything, Wes Johnson is a solid 2 guard with good athleticism, Luke Ridnour is a solid point guard, and Shelvin Mack could be their Microwave guy coming off the bench in the back court. That's a pretty good team even without getting anything for Beasley and Flynn.
Not sure what team would want Beasley, but they could probably get a couple of solid players and a decent draft pick.
I agree with llPerez and Memphis Madness. Do you guys have any clue what youre talking about. I mean I agree to an extent that Irving is the likely 1st overall pick, and I do think he goes 1st not that I agree its right. Jut comparing him to Tyrus Thomas offensively, or even defensively? Saying that the fact that he gets #1 overall recognition makes ths draft weak, nbadraft.net had him ranked as the #1 prospect all year. Nbadraft.net is the truth.
Why I think this is a weak draft is the fact that as BTPH mentioned there are so many prospects that are created as draft saviors such as Bismack Biyambo. Kyrie Irvng missed most of the year although impressed and is still the consensus #1 overall pick. That is a good reason as too why this is a weak draft.
Personally, I thought Williams was the best player I saw in the NCAA tournament. Granted, Irving played well, especially after coming back from being injured most of the season... but when I watched Williams I saw a guy who touched the ball on offense every time up the court. I saw fantastic decision making and rebounding aswell as exceptional effort. If Tor gets the first or second pick i'd love them to take Williams... if only so they could trade Bargs for one of the many FA/RFA centers that are on the market. This would allow Ed Davis to play the 3. I know Williams is considered "undersized" for the 4 but we've had tons of guys in the NBA who were his size or smaller become extremely successful in the NBA. Johnson could then become your first big off the bench ala and Odom type roll. Nene is only 6ft9, Troy Murphy would get crushed by Williams. Brand is only 6ft8, Boozer is 6ft9 as is David West and Jamison. All I'm saying is give the guy a chance. I think there's way too many looking for his flaws (which every player has)... but Williams was also amazingly efficient. He got to the line at an absurd rate and is a very respectable FT shooter. He shoots his 3's at a very high rate which would be a match up nightmare for a team like the Lakers who play 2 front court guys in Gasol and Bynum who rarely ever venture out to guard someone at the 3 point line. If they do are you telling me Williams won't have the quickness to blow by them? You don't think Williams would be able to challenge Gasol at the the 4 on off or def? Defensively it would be passable for Williams to guard Bynum for stretches but there will likely be a few possesions where Bynums length is just too much. Williams is smart enough to keep him out of easy scoring position on 90% of possesions though. I really believe Williams will become a 20 and 10 guy in his rookie season... and bigs who can shoot are a luxury now a days. I saw his foot work improve in the post and when he was off the floor in the NCAA's his team just fell apart.
Beasley went #2 in a draft... is there any doubt that Williams will be a better pro then that guy?
If the raptors had Ed davis and Derrick williams on the floor together their is no way that Ed davis plays small forward instead of williams lol. Williams is a better athlete and can guard on the perimeter alot better than Ed.
Ed Davis is not going to be playing the 3 anytime soon...Drafting D-Will to take over Bargnani's role would be wise, an he could do so at the 3 position since Bargnani is ineffective defensively, rebounding, and is a perimeter scorer.
Irving will go #1, If a team who has a point guard gets the #1 pick I'd expect them to swap draft picks and maybe pickup a veteran or some cash to sweeten the deal. A guy like Irving in a draft like this will have a lot of value and I'd expect a team who is set at point guard to capitalize on that demand rather than just letting him fall in the lap of the team with the #2 pick.
Anyteam but Washington and maybe Sacramento would select him 1st. Those two would likely try a trade for Williams involving him.
Offensively I see Williams playing a very similar role to Bargnani ayways espcially if he gains a reliable midrange game. The difference is he would be more aggressive driving and posting up, and less settling for the mid range J. Both have goood ball handling skills for the size, take high percentage 3-pointers set up by teammates, have creating abillity from the perimeter, great touch, smart scorers and are very fundimental withn their oppurtunities to get baskets. I think Williams is much more clutch though and would be a better fit because he would actaully play SF, actaully post up regularly, and actaully drive regularly, while not being expected to block 2 shos per game, play great help D at C, and grab 10 boards.
I will probably be hated for saying this again but he reminds me of Blake. I'm not saying he is going to do the same thing Blake did but they have a very similar skill set. While Blake is more athletic, Williams has a better mid range game. They both are very creative with the ball and can score in a multitude (word of the day calender) of ways. I understand that people don't thinkhe can play PF in the NBA I have never seen a reason why not. Blake has shown this year that you can play in the post even if you have poor defense as long as you do everything else well. I think he has a great chance of going one if the right team gets the pick.
Williams biggest flaw is his midrange game although I believe he probally just chose to aggressively drive and post up more then settling for jumpers. My reasoning on this s his FT percentage and 3-point sot form which is very good. He would fit in so well with Toronto (Bargnani gone of course), Sacramento, and Washington.
^He does need to develope his midrange game if he is considered a SF but as a PF it is above average in my opinion. He will be a mismatch for anyone who gaurds him.
Seriously, this guys will be an ok pro, but not an All-Star. I'd rather take Kanter. Kanter will be a monster.
We know as much about Kanter as we do Bismack. They both dominated the Nike Hoopd summit and scouts and fans alike had them sky rocket up their boards. Kanter is still a mystery to me with out playing this year. I would take Williams over him.
Wow.... He's a better prospect than Beasley was. He more skilled, more intense, has a better basketball IQ, and was more effective this year. You can say his midrange jumper needs work, but the midrange jumper in the NBA is three pointers from college. And he was lights out. He's a big game player, he makes winning plays, and plays his ass off. It sounds like more people feel that his physical attibutes hold him back... but so what? How do you even know that? This guy has done nothing but produce and carry his team. He knows how to use mismatches regardless of the opponent, so what really makes yall think he wont have a very good NBA career..? And why cant he be an all star? Add on the fact that Kyrie is only two months younger with a worse injury history.
^ I dont know why anyone would think his physical attributes could hold him back unlees they rarely saw him play.
I know those are highlights but you can see his athleticisim is great.
^^^ how you figure.. if you compare the players you have to compare Beasley's freshman year to Derricks Freshman year (or soph year if you want) since Derrick hasn't played one minute in the NBA
I remember scouts were saying he is a average athlete. YEEEEAAAAHHH right. I'm not sure why they said that