Derrick Rose vs Russel Westbrook is over
Westbrook is better than Rose and he will always be the better player.
Post something serious next time.
d-rose fans completely dismiss the other side of the ball, defense.. and then westbrook, had more assists & rebounds this past season. westbrook actually led all guards in offensive rebounds. Russ is also more versitile, because he does so much more than rose. 24 dbl-dbl's compared to rose's 6, this past yr.
you all give way too much credit to 1 on 1 basketball, which is overrated.. spec for a "point guard"
I'll admit, rose's stats would be more impressive if he was a 2 guard.
even with russell wesbrook's "high" turnovers, and out of control-ness, he still had a better ast/to ratio than rose.
Most of you all still care about how someone looks while attempting to put the ball in the basket..
I love when people say that because someone says that a player is better than another guy, that their "fans" will never admit to it. How about people just have an opinion. Just because people say that someone is better than someone doesn't mean they are a biased fan people
I couldn't agee more...Not a single post saying what makes Rose better other than scoring points (not a huge gap anyway between the two). And of course the usual "he has a better team" nonsense...I also find it funny how sure these people are about a couple players who could still be in college.
ok dude i dig it everything on here is an opinion but no ones argument about westbrook proves hes better so i guess the debate is still up in the air as an opinion goes, but dude if u watched both honestly u can easily easily that rose is clearly father along as a offensive player and playmaker, he has more control then westbrook and i think his basketball IQ is higher,westbrook at times looks lost, out of control and he has no type of offensive moves if its night a straight line drive for a layup or dunk westbrook has a hard time scoring westbrook is clearly the better defender but thats about it and i know most people will probably rebounder 2 but i think its kinda even or westbrook is slightly better because when rose decides he wants to rebound he can
But dolla u gotta remember nobody's opinion about anybody on here will prove who's better one way or another. It's still guna be just an opinion
Westbrook has never been better than Rose... Not in college... Not in the NBA. He's always been trying to "close the gap" and the closest he came to it was at the beginning of last year while Rose was injured.
IF Kobe would've defended Rose the same way he did Westbrook/Rondo, Rose would've averaged 30 points.
lol..so if someone thinks westbrook is better then they are biased..lol..Some one can say the exact same thing about people who pick rose over westbrook.
its clear when people pick whos better they pick the player who scores more points then the guy who plays better defense even though they should be help in the same regard. westbrook is clearly a better defender and rose is not clearly a better offensive player
westbrook is a better rebounder
Since we can only really go on stats with ast westbrook leads in that category
i haven't looked up steals so i dont know who's better at that
i think rose turns it over less..not sure who has ast to turnover ratio
@jnixon im lost..you agreed with Indiana basketball when he said "Anybody who says Westbrook is better than Rose either just dislikes Rose, or is a biased Westbrook/OKC fan.
then you say "I love when people say that because someone says that a player is better than another guy, that their "fans" will never admit to it. How about people just have an opinion. Just because people say that someone is better than someone doesn't mean they are a biased fan people"
So you agree with him and you disagree with him??
So if i understand correctly its an opinion if we think rose is better but its biased if we think westbrook is better?
Yea but too bad we cant prove IF'S so they dont hold no weight in a debate
How isn't Rose clearly a better offensive player than Westbrook?
It's more than just obvious that Rose is better on the offensive end than Westbrook, which is why I said a person either has to dislike Rose or be biased towards Westbrook/OKC to say that he's better.
Westbrook is clearly the better defensive player and I'll give him a slight rebounding edge, but that's it.
I mean, use the eye test... It's not that hard to see that Westbrook isn't close to being as good as Rose in the half-court. He's still a low 40's shooter with no three-point shot. He still overdribbles and turns the ball over. His decision making and shot selection is still questionable. He's still out of control.
All I was saying is just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean they are a biased fan. I was agreeing with Indianabasketball's point about Rose being a better player more so than his point about bias fans. Don't read into it more than it should be read into, your brain might start hurting.
I even explained why I though Rose was better than Westbrook in that post that I mentioned I agreed with him in, and I didn't bring up a point about being biased until plasticman said something about "Derrick Rose fans". I'm not even a fan of Derrick Rose enough to be biased either way.
how is someone suppossed to know which parts you were agreeing with when you said "i agree"..thats not looking too much into it thats seeing the obvious
its obvious that no one is obviously better just like cp3/dwill because theres always a debate
It's obvious because I posted the point I agreed with.
between rose and westbrook there is no debate because one is clearly father along in his progressions then the other, with paul and williams i agree there will always be a debate but they are the top 2 pgs in the leage both can score pass and play D and have been the best players on there teams while leading them to the playoffs with those two its which one you like better the small crafty tough PG or the big scoring pg i would be happy with either one but if i was a GM and i was starting a franchise im without a doubt picking rose over westbrook
I knooooooow you see it
He hasn't soured on Rose. It's called making adjustments.
Rose wasn't having the best game and Lithuania was playing off of him and Iguodala. It was better to have Westbrook (who was having the better game) and Gordon (who's been arguably the best shooter on the team) in.
I take Rose for the speed but I respect anyone who takes Westbrook because it is definitely debateable. Stats can be misleading considering Westbrook was on a better team last year. Rose is the best athlete ive ever seen in the NBA but he also drives me insane with all the finesse. He can jump higher than Westbrook but most people dont know because they have different mentalities. What is Drose doing getting a layup blocked by a dude from LITHUANIA??? Westbrook would have punched that down his throat. Still ill take Derrick lol
You don't make any sense... What do you mean by, "What's Rose doing getting his layup blocked by a dude from Lithuania?" It happens. Kevin Durant got DUNKED on by a dude from Lithuania. These guys aren't in the NBA, but they can play as well.
Rose and Westbrook do have different mentalities... Westbrook is in love with his legs, and Rose isn't.
Chill out fam im just saying Westbrook is more fierce and aggresive. I'd like to see Rose go up strong and dunk on people more often considering his athleticism. The way he built up steam on the play he could have dunked on him but he kinda lofted it up on the glass. I dont know what in love with your legs means. I've always been told go up as strong as you're physically capable. Is it somehow wrong of Westbrook to dunk on people as much as he does?
Rose is the better player in my opinion. Its like saying Gerald Wallace is a better player than lebron just because he plays better defense, poor analogy I know. Its much closer than that, but when I watch both play it seems like D-rose helps his team out more and is slightly farther along than westbrook. dont get me wrong westbrook has come along way since UCLA, but as someone said alot of his points came off fastbreaks and D-rose can score either way. His mid-range game is MILES ahead of Westbrook's I cant count how many times he missed open mid-range jumpers against the Lakers and how inefficient he looked in the half-court.
The gap will close as Westbrook becomes a better player his jumpshot has definitely improved as i've seen in fiba, still needs a better mid-range game, but its goin to get closer but as of right now Rose is the better player
im not concerned about rose being benched yesterday that zone was the only reason rose was not in the game and the thing with rose it seems is that he is defering to much and is trying to fit in to much instead of playing his game westbtook is doing a great job at driving the ball sometimes wreck less at times and getting bailed out by foul calls but he is getting to the lane but if that game was comming down to the wire the US only up 2 rose would have been in that game and would have closed out the 4th Quarter because besides chauncey and durant he is the best closer on that team
I guess you could mean he attacks more because hes not as good of a shooter but thats not what i'm talking about. I'm going strictly off finishing.
i think in this tournament westbrook has more missed dunks and layups then rose does shots and being in love with your legs means that he is not really relying on skill he is using his athletic ability ti do everything and he plays at one speed there is no change of gears there is no in between
Lol yeah you make a good point. And Rose is without a doubt the better player in my view. I think the fan in me just wants him to show the dunks I saw from him in high school with his chin on te rim
Rose is a better player and he does have potential to be a great defender even if he isn't showing it right now. Westbrook is simply more consistent on the defensive end.
That said, I think Westbrook will have a more successful career in terms of team success because he is playing with Durant who complements him perfectly. Durant is the quiet killer and Westbrook is the fiery spark plug. Those two will go far together whereas I'm not sure Rose is good enough to be the 1st option on a championship team as a scorer; and can't say he's shown himself to be a good enough playmaker at this point to do so either.
It will all come down to this season, he chose not to recruit Lebron or Wade too heavily because he wanted to keep his team, now Rose needs to take this squad further than the 1st round because he has the talent around him to do so.
Going to be interesting watching these two go at each other over the years.
Will Chicago trade Rose for Westbrook- NO
Will OKC trade Westbrook for Rose- YES
That's you're opinion that they would trade rose for west brook. I say no. Westbrook has shown to be a better passer much much better defender and close to him in scoring and better rebound. It's funny because the only thing Derrick seems to be ahead in is scoring and it's not by a big margin. It's also funny that the same people who use these catagories to say some other player is better then someone else , ignores these facts when talking about rose vs Westbrook. At least be consistant and hide the bias
I think Derrick Rose is a better passer than Westbrook. I really do. I think if you look at the stats, he's not. But if you have the ability to drive and dish like Westbrook AND the leading scorer in the NBA, you will get assists numbers. I think Rose would get just as many assists as Westbrook or even more, with less TO's if he played with a guy like Durant. Rose didn't have any other legit scorer in Chicago last season besides a middling guy like Luol Deng and have a season with another middling scorer in John Salmons. I think on top of being a better scorer, Rose is actually a better playmaker. It's hypothetical and most won't like that I'm saying this with Westbrook's more gaudy assist numbers, but to me Rose is a better playmaker for others. We will see it though this season probably with Carlos Boozer, Deng, Korver and everyone else that returns. I think it's easy to tell watching both play NBA games that Rose is a better and more valuable player. It's not by all that much, but I don't think their is any question that Rose has more of an impact during games
The same thing can be said about westbrooks scoring if he played with the bulls. I don't see rose as a better passer because he just doesn't give guys the ball in scoring position enough. When he gets in the lane he doesn't seem to ever look to kick pout or hand off. Just try some hard shoot or reverse layup.
As um typing Westbrook continues to look wayy better during fiba
We can go back in forth about what we think each would do in another team but that's not how u decide who's better. You do that by how they do on the team they are already on. IMO on offense they are very close. Defense Westbrook is wayy better and rebounding Westbrook is better. So who's better over all. I think it's pretty obvious.
how can u say westbrook will have more success when rose already has more success then both westbrook and durant and he did it playing with mediocre talents and in the east he will always have more success just because the east is weak and as far as playmaking rose is a better playmaker and these last two games even tho he did not score like most wanted to see he passed the ball very well the entire tournament, westbrook may be the slightly better rebounder and the clear cut better defender but rose is the better scorer and playmaker and if westbrook was on the bulls they would have had a lotto the past 2 seasons and dont let this fiba crap fool you Rose will and is the better pg and player and he proves it in the nba game
LOL you couldn't say the same thing though. He could probably get the same amount of points, but his shooting percentage would be sacrificed, possibly even more than now. He shoots a low percentage from the field right now, and I think it would either stay around the same of be a bit lower with more scoring responsibility. I see Rose as a better playmaker. Think about it, he gets makes about all the guys on the Bulls as good as they can possibly be IMO. He's really not a bad passer. He's never really played with elite scorers like a Durant.
I understand Westbrook is playing better in FIBA, but the NBA and FIBA are way different. You should know that, and that's irrelevant to me when talking about how they play in comparison in NBA games.
Lol. I watched the whole tournament his passing wasn't that great. He made basic passes but he didn't create for his teammates. He had a dissappointing tournament and played scared. And his defense is still awful and that's against euro non NBA guards
And we don't know ifwestbrooks shooting percentage would suffer just like we don't know if rose assists would go
up. What we do know is Westbrook gets more ast is a better rebounder and a much better defender. No guessing there or what ifs. These are facts
Westbrook has Durant who gets a lot of attention teams go in saying we're gonna stop Durant &$#%#&@! what Westbrook does, they also say we're gunna stop Rose and let Deng try and score come on now Rose>Westbrook easy Westbrook is a top 10 PG Rose is a top 5 along with Paul, Williams, Rondo and Evans
Rose may be a top 5 point guard, but Evans is definitely not.
That's an excise. If that's the case pippen isn't as good as people think because teams have to focus on Jordan. Every second player isn't that good because teams focus so much on the first option. That excuse hasn't gotten wayyyy old. Like I said before Westbrook is overall better. What does his bad defense have to do with not having durant. Or his lower ast. Andre miller didn't always have a great option to pass to but he still racked up assist because he's good and creating for others. Is tyreke Evans not as good since he gets to shoot as much as he wants
if a "top5" point guard's game can't translate over, than we have a problem. rondo's game transferred over, stephen curry's game transferred over, westbrook's game transferred over + more, rose ?
with all that said, westbrook scored more than rose, shot better from the field than rose, shot better from the line than rose, he shot the 3 better than rose, he rebounded better than rose, stole the ball & blocked more shots than rose. rose was better in asts, to's, mins, & % from 2pt .
its obvious that westbrook is more confident in his long range shot than rose, which will make his game that much better during the nba season.
like i said earlier, westbrook is a better adaptive player than rose. more versatile.
what else do you want?
i just want to know when does this "he has the potential to" thing get thrown out the window?
if you say rose has made more progress than westbrook since the first day he put on a nba uniform, you're crazy. everyone knew rose was gonna be the #1 pick, and the pg of the future. no one knew where westbrook would fall, or if he could play lead guard at all. I think this site had him projected as a 2 guard, because they his size at a "6" .
there's an obvious reason why westbrook wears #0 . it's the underdog number.
than the bulls want to admit, but i think they really messed up when they let ben gordon go.
i know you want to hand over the keys over, but you still want to have someone you trust in the passenger seat.
maybe they should of went ahead and did what the heat did to wade, and moved him over to the 2, for good.
Let's not get carried away though. Letting Ben go was good because of the money he wanted. If they could afford him they would have kept him
rose is still a star point guard
I just like Westbrook better. Just look at what he's done, he's never played point guard and now he's one if the best young point guards after only two years in the NBA. All these other point guards have played that position all there lives. Just like rose his jumper will get better and that's scarey. IMO he's more explosive either in half or full court. And it's like he is bent on proving it because instead of acrobatic layups that rose does Westbrook
goes in to bang on you're head which will get you to the line more instead of avoiding the contact
That has to be the common way of thinking though. You have to think Rose would get more than 6 apg playing with Kevin Durant. I'm 110% sure his assist numbers would be better than 6 per game, and he wouldn't be as TO prone as Westbrook has been.
Rose also is a better shooter. I don't know about comparing their 3-point shooting numbers, but Rose has a much better mid-range game and he uses it way more than the deep ball anyway. To me, Rose is an alright shooter. Not more than average though. Westbrook is well below average shooting the ball though, from 15 feet or 25 feet.
I already said my opinion on passing.
To me, the only think Westbrook does BETTER is defend and rebound. And rebounding is extra. Westbrook tries to get all the way to the rim in games more than Rose, but he's not nearly as efficient around the hoop, so that largley nullifies that.
Westbrook is already one of the better PG's in the NBA, but he's not better than Derrick Rose to me. I think it'll be more evident next year too. He really has holes in his game that prevent him from being better (relatively low basketball IQ a good bit of the time, TO prone, bad shooter etc etc).
I agree with your opinion 100% and I know you're unbiased too. You're just calling it like you see it and I see it the exact same way.
alright who you guys taking wall, rose, or westbrook?
Like I said before we don't know how rose would do on another team with another player so that can't be disscussed. When talking about who's better u can only go by what they have dine in the situation they ate in. No excuses like. If he had this or that
jnixon and indiana both make good points. I think Rose is more polished. I love Westbrook but I think Rose is more poised and under control as a pg. Evidenced by the fact that hes already proving to be a good closer.
and jnixon you're right about how underrated drose is with that in-between game with his great touch on tough layups and floaters