Derrick ROse with the near cripple double
1 TO shy of it (9 TO's).
I was looking at what Bulls fans were saying about this game (here : http://www.blogabull.com/2011/2/6/1977765/postgame-warriors-101-bulls-90#comments) and some said that the W"s layed out the formula to beat them. Be really aggresive on Rose and let others try and beat you.
Monta Ellis guarded Rose tonight and held him to 14 points on 6-15 with 9 turnovers . Rose guarded Monta as well, he had 33 points on 11-22 , 10/10 on FT's, and 5 assists , he had the flu as well and was a GTD. Rose got owned in the words of a Bulls fan. Either way I wanted to talk about the Bulls real quick. They need a 2, badly. Stef Curry and Monta ran circles around them tonight, throw in 20 and 6 from DWright and the Bulls fell on their face. Lee got owned by Boozer though but when Udoh guarded Boozer he shots something like 1-4 and had 3 2 TO's and blocked twice by him. Either way Boozer had 21 and 10 on 10-17 shooting.
What SG's could they get? And do they have the assets to get him? I think Mayo would be a good fit but I have no idea what they could trade for him. What do you guys think?
In other news Charlie Bell got arrested for DUI and on twitter after leaving jail he said "Smh" .... I cracked up at this
Bulls should sign McGrady like they were going to, he's proved he can still be productive, and can help Rose with the playmaking duties too.
Rose looked bad tonight and Monta abused him. This is why he needs some help BADLY on the perimeter.
McGrady has spurned the Bulls twice already. Fu#k that guy.
Taj Gibson and second round pick for mayonaise
Spurned the Bulls? They backed off him this time because he said that with him they could be a contender; which in all fairness is kinda true, they are a contender now, but McGrady would have helped.
This , Rose looked baffled out there . Monta proved his worth on defense tonight. Not saying he shuts superstars down all the time but I think this sorta shows he is not a ghost defender like some think he is. Rose early looked good but as the game went just got worse
Lol.. Hey nateoak
I wonder how Ellis will fare vs Rose in the playoffs.. Wait.. Nvm... Lmfao!
Rose isnt exactly known for his defense and its one of his weakness.
As far as Bulls SG spot, everyone is suggesting Mayo, but its clear that they need someone who can defend at the SG to pair up with Rose. Someone like Corey Brewer who is loosing some playing time because of Wes Johnson, Aaron Aflalo (if Denver trades Melo, you could see Denver cleaning house), just someone who they can lock up on opposing SGs. I think they have enough offense with Rose, Deng, Boozer, Korver and Noah's return will help them on both sides.
Well that'd take both teams making the finals... adn neither team will. Oh and since you mocking the W's for being bad... were 3 games out of the 8th just so you know... The Bulls wont get past the Magic, Celtics or Heat
Just anyone who can shoot works, the defense is a bonus. Even someone like Morrow would help a lot
Courtney Lee would be the perfect fit and might actually be attainable. Defends well, can shoot from outside, used to being a role player, has Finals experience.
You sure the Bulls won't get passed the Heat or Magic?
I'm pretty sure they can.
You guys are actually 4 games out of the 8th seed. Heck, even my horrible Houston Rockets are 1/2 a game ahead of you guys.
They need someone who can score in bunches without needing the ball too much and play defense when focused, players like T-Mac, JR Smith, Courtney Lee, Terrence Williams come to mind first. OJ Mayo needs the ball in his hands, and with Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer, he won't get that much, he'll be in the same situation as Memphis.
And Houston isnt horrible, average is more like it. Horrible is New Jersey
And yes the Bulls couldnt match the wings of Miami or the bigs of Boston. Not deep enough at either spot
“We were just out of sync,” he said. “The way that they doubled was kind of weird. Where they had three people on one side, making sure that when I come off the pick two people were on me. If I made the little slip pass somebody was sticking Carlos [Boozer] and it was just tough. A tough night, but we’ll get used to it and I know Coach is going to go over it the next time we have shoot around or practice. It was just something we’ve never seen before I guess."
“I just got to get used to it,” Rose said of the new defensive looks. “It was weird. Where I couldn’t get a feel for the game because they didn’t let me. Where I couldn’t split. When I dragged it out they were coming out with me. Every pick and roll they trapped and I guess that’s what I got to get used to.”
I'm disappointed in this thread...
Anybody who watched the game should know that Ellis/Curry didn't shut Rose down... They played solid defense, but that was a TEAM effort. Give Coach Smart the credit for devising a gameplan that literally closed the gaps and gave Rose nowhere to go. Rose was defended by five guys the entire game it seemed and was trapped/doubled like every play. Rose looked confused out there and I'm surprised the Bulls didn't adjust to the way Golden State was playing him. It really exposed the Bulls' weakness that they have nobody other than Rose that can create their own shot.
And let's not act like Ellis scored all of those points against Rose... Brewer defended him as well.
Overall... Great game by Golden State though... They outplayed the Bulls and outcoached them. You have to give them credit for coming out and roasting the best defensive team in the league. I'm sure this will be great game film for the Bulls to look at and find out exactly what went wrong.
This was just one bad game for Rose. We've been spoiled by his outstanding numbers and when he trips once (like every superstar does) it's suddenly the end of the world and trade talks start happening. Though I do agree that the Bulls need a legit starting SG I don't think they should fill the void by trading one of their young talents.
They should instead wait till Free Agency where they could either snag Jason Richardson, Caron Butler, or even Jamal Crawford. All serviceable guards who can stretch the floor for Rose to do his magic.
Also, the notion that "Rose isnt exactly known for his defense and its one of his weakness" has no evidence behind it considering the fact that Rose ranks number one in defensive efficiency ahead of RONDO. Rose's weakness last year was defense but Tom Thibodeau quickly changed that into an asset.
Rose is a great player, probably the most athletic point guard we have seen. But his defense is not an asset in NO Way possible. He has the athletic ability to be a great defender but he is not. Forget defense efficiency, Rondo is a much better defender guard than Rose. And to Rose's credit Monta does that to just about everybody in the league not just Rose.
The strategy the Warriors had is not new, but it would mean a little more if the Warriors didn't build their lead by abusing C.J. Watson defensively and having him throw up bricks to start the 4th.
Is that the team will be flawed come the play offs. The team has proven that they don't choke. But at the same time the Heat and the Celtics play excellent defense. And if you think Wade or Rondo are no match for Rose, your sadly mistaken. You shut down the command center (Rose) and the team doesn't do enough to get the job done with out him.
Clearly, this single game, proves the Bulls are completely overrated, Derrick Rose sucks, and Monta Ellis is one of top 3 players in the league. (sigh). Come on. Who cares. it was one friggen game. The Bulls had won 25 of there last 30 games. They were due to have a stinker. And thats all last night was. With Rose neutralized, the Warriors were losing this game until the CJ Watson air ball binge of the fourth quarter.
Everybody's been saying how regular season games mean nothing. Perhaps they are right in some ways, and wrong in some ways. But in all honesty its not about having a bad night. Lots of stars have bad nights. But the thing is, if Rose had a bad night, who was there to pick up the slack? Nobody. Chris Paul and Rondo could score just as much Rose any given night, but they don't. You know why? Because they don't have to, they can run their team and make them deadly with out scoring a single basket. Rose is scoring not because he wants to, because he has to be aggressive. So if people just concentrate on Rose and force him to make a play, where is his second punch?
All I'm saying is, you can't just dismiss certain things, were at the midway into the season and the cream is rising to the top. Bulls are a top team no doubt about that. But remember what Jordan said, talent wins games, teams win championships. Rose is carrying his team, not supporting it. And none of that is his fault.
Rondo can not score. This is a fact. CP3 has less weapons than Rose. He has David West, and thats it.
Good call out on CJ Watson... No defense (Getting broken off by Curry) and he couldn't buy a bucket... He was TRASH.
Lol I'm sorry did you just say Rondo can't score? And CP3 having less weapons than Chris Paul only makes Chris Paul look better because he can run a garbage team into the play offs with out scoring as much as Rose does. Oh and Rondo can score, he's plenty quick enough to shred defenses. I just can't believe you said that...Rondo can't score. If you said behind the arc he's doing poorly, I would atleast give you some consideration...but Rondo can't score? Horrible. D ; Why would you say such a thing?
Kayjay- he plays about 35 minutes and averages 10 PPG. Generally, that isnt a good scorer. He has never really shown the ability to be a scorer, he has no jumpshot, and isnt a very good finisher. Hes a nice passer, fine. But scorer? absolutely not. I cant believe your that dumb.
"He was TRASH."
Yes, Indiana, yes he was.
Look I'm not a Celtics fan, but I smell bull shit here. Rondo has significantly improved his jumpshot since last year. And he's blown past defenses before. Rondo can score. He only scores 10 points because his job is to get the entire team on the same pace so that its not just one or two players killing you, its the entire teams production. This is what you call a pass first point guard. For you to insinuate Rondo can't score is atrocious. But, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions on this site. So with that sir, I bid you adieu.
Come on Nate you know good and well you can't make a Rose got worked thread. That's blasphemy on here. Ellis did punish everyone that checked him but mostly he worked rose. But that shouldn't be too surprising because Ellis punishes many and rose just so happened to be the victim that night
I don't think anybody posted Rose didn't get worked... I just said Ellis didn't score all of his points on Rose.
And the idea that Ellis shut Rose down by himself isn't legit.
The idea that any of this matters, seeing as the Bulls are the 3 seed and the Warriors are in the lottery is foolish. Yes Quincey, Ellis outplayed Rose. It doesnt matter, Ellis normally works people and gets blown out by 30 points because that team will never play defense on a consistant basis. Rose will be fine, and only a fool like you would think otherwise.
It matters on here of course. How many times have people posted when a played on a losing team outplays another player on a losing team?..it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things since neither team is going to the playoffs but it still gets posted and people still respond.
And yeah Ellis does drop buckets and the team loses but So Does Blake Griffin and they have a worst record then the warriors but you still have made post about him am i right Urban?
But you said score as much as rose any given night, and no not even close if Rondo attempted a lot more shots a game his field goal percentage would plummet. The guys got quickness but he is still a below average scorer in terms of starting point guards in this league, and saying a below average scorer can do what the biggest strength of the mvp of the league right now does any given night is obserd. Defenders dont need to play Rondo tight because he cant shoot so his quickness doesnt help that much when your defenders lay back like they do.
And also btw, if Rose was told to only score 10 ppg, and instead of him scoring all those other points set up his teamates instead I garentee he would get just as many assist as Rondo,
Lol..when did i say Rose won't be fine?..i'm one of the few who doesn't think individual matchups hold alot fo weight. I think you and some other people are the ones who think it holds more weight then it does. On any given night someone can get out played. It happens to the best of players.
Only a hiding punk liek you wouldn't know that
I'm sure There are a couple of players who could get more assist if they just passed but that's not there game. Just like rondo could score 20ppg( just like in the Playoffs when KG was hurt while still racking up assist and rebounds, damn near triple double every game). But on Boston that's not his role
but Rondo couldnt keep 20 ppg for a season, the guy hasnt proven once in his career that hes a huge threat to score. Hell Kirk Hinrich averaged 20 points in the playoffs one year, who cares means absolutely nothing. Rondo still cant shoot if he is scoring 20 ppg for a team ever than he must have a horrible team because hes not gifted enough as a scorer to shoot that many times. Just because hes quick he still gets his shot up below defenders unlike Rose and Westbrook who elevate over them.
Hell Tony Parker is quicker, a better finisher, and a better jump shooter than Rondo, and hes not a 20 ppg scorer, get real man Rondo is a great passer, and occationally makes some great buckets on offense, his weakness is his ability to score, and if that wasnt a weakness for him he would be hands down the best guard in the league, but it is still a huge hole in his game.
Rondo's got a bigger hole at scoring then Rose has at passing, thats all Im saying, saying Rondo is a 20 ppg scorer is like saying Rose is an All-defense 1st teamer
Thats because he doesn't need to in order for boston to win. These other PG have to score so much or there team doesn't win
Now that Oj Mayo out on the market. Bulls Should be interested
Word out of Memphis is they want equal value for Mayo. Equal value as in how he played last season value
Quincey your arguments still suck.
You always say that these guys on bad teams like kevin love could get 15 rebounds on any team. Or if I say Jamal Crawford could drop 25 a game on a team like cleveland, youll say "No, its not like anyone can drop 25 a game in the NBA". But now, with Rondo, he can score 20 a game if he wanted to? really?