denver resigns javale mcgee
The Denver Nuggets have resigned NBA memes star javale McGee to a 4 year/44 million dollar deal. This deal is a good and bad one, talent wise javale can be an extremely dominant force with his athleticism and defense, but his basketball iq is incredibly low. I would've felt more comfortable signing him for 4 years/30 million dollars but I'm pretty sure another team would have made a crazy offer for him. High risk/high reward signing for Denver
That team just seems right for McGee. They're young and talented but disciplined enough to hopefully improve his on the court mentality. He's probably overpaid a tad but who hasn't been this offseason.
Spot on the Nuggets are the perfect fit for Javale. They play a helter skelter uptempo system that minimizes his flaws and plays to his greatest strengths. Karl likes his guys to just play instead of a more cerebral intricate system. McGee would struggle in a system like the triangle where Karl lets his guys use athleticism and quickness to speed the game up to play to the young legs they have. Great signing as long Javale builds on last year , the guy is 24 and the next couple of years he will be entering his prime.
Granted, the guy was way less of a bozo when he got to Denver. Cudos to coach Carl there. But for all the dumbass stuff this kid has done so far, I only see giving him 11 million per year as a reinforcement of his douchebaggery.
Lots of natural gifts, yes. But the kid has to grow up a bit to deserve that contract. Guess this one could go either way. Maybe he does start to work to his potential. But that's a lot of money for the biggest Knucklehead in the league.
why they gave him that much money? which other team would have been offering him somthing even close to this? this is stupid move! McGee is not even in the top 20 centers!
Someone would have paid him! & Really? Name 20 centers better then him.
He also showed some real toughness in the playoffs.
better than him:
Jermaine O'Neal is terrible
but slightly less than the friend javale.
To explode cause I think you honestly believe this
and i can't belive all the love Mcgee is getting from you all, he doesn't have focus, doesn't have smart, doesn't know his limitation, also can't fit a role and ruining all team's chemistry what so ever!!! i'm starting to think you are looking only at flashiness and superficiality!
thumbs up for a good laugh but seriously you named a couple scrubs there. McGee may be low IQ but he's a big time athlete and George Karl seemed to have a big effect on him last year.
DeAndre Jordan is NOT better than Javale & he got the exact same contract last summer.
George Karl really got through to him in a short time last year...he didn't give him the starting spot, he made him earn minutes and Javale outplayed Bynum on more than 1 occassion in the playoffs.
Javale quit being a knucklehead when he got to Denver, but 4 years and 44 mil is absolutely ludicrous for a player of his caliber right now.
Kobyz do you even watch basketball???? Name 19 centers better than him in the NBA
i would take Mcgee over Deandre Jordan every day of the year...11 mills per year for a guy who actually chowed up in the playoffs...DeAndre didnt have double digit scoring game in playoffs and is getting same money... I dont know why you hate him,yea he's maybe little thugish but cmon,he has few bloppers and all of the sudden he's stupid,he's got low bball IQ... Lets see him in 35+ minutes this year..
mcgee after the guy plays for the philippine national team for sure he would be more mature and have higher basketball IQ but in terms of the skill that he has now i think mcgee is on of the best defensive players in the game today with the likes of ty chandler,dwight howard and deandre jordan who else gives the same stats in def that they do
George Karl and the Nuggets are putting a lot of faith that McGee will continue to turn things around. Physically he has the tools to be dominant...7 feet tall, runs the court well, good hands, rebounds, blocks shots, and can score from the post. His maturity is obviously the main question, but it will help having some vets and an authoritative coach like George Karl around. Nene was making $13 million a year when they dealt him and McGee will get about $11 million a year.
Good luck to him and hopefully we won't see him on the blooper reals or in the headlines for being immature anymore.
This just once again goes to show, it's good to be an athletic 7 footer!
can make 15 mil(based on analytical statical performance rather than on court production) why cant Mc Ghee get 11mil. Is it really obsurd to believe that in 3 yrs when Asik gets his 15 that McGhee will be a better player, I mean come on, say he never puts it together on the offensive end his rebounding and blockig/defensive is sure to improve just due to experience. At worst he becomes like a Tyson chandler, who was defensive POY -
Asik isn't making 15 mil per year. He is making 15 mil in one year, but only 10 mil over the 1st two years of the contract combined. McGee is making 11 mil per year over 4 years. There is a big difference.
And at best McGee becomes Tyson Chandler, not "at worst." Chandler has proven to make a hugely positive impact on his team's defense, not just make highlight reels. Now McGee isn't a bad defender, but he is worse than Asik and probably will always be. Now, McGee is the better player overall because he is better on the offensive end of the floor, and he got a contract worth $19 million more as a result. McGee played well last year with Denver, but he has had a very up and down career and has done nothing to show that he can become a Chandler-esque defensive player.
If we look at Brook Lopez getting $60 million over 4 years and Roy Howard $58 million over 4 years then $44 million for McGee over 4 years looks decent value. I think that Coach Karl has already improved his game and I know he wanted the chance to work with him for longer, interestingly no other team had rushed out to get McGee to sign an offer sheet.
Kobyz, your list is incredibly flawed, but it has a point (that I believe you definitely missed). Still, here are the centers on that list better than JaVale and what they are making:
- Dwight Howard: 19.2 million
- Andrew Bynum: 16.4 million
- Al Jefferson: 15 million
- Marc Gasol: 13.9 million (going up, early in his contract)
- Tyson Chandler: 13.6 million (going up, early in his contract)
- Andrew Bogut: 13.2 million (with durability issues)
- Roy Hibbert: Just signed a max deal
- Brook Lopez: Just signed a max deal
- Nene: 13 million
- Joakim Noah: 11.1 million (set to make 39 million the next three seasons. Durability issues as well)
Here are guys you listed who are more than likely better than JaVale, but are still under their rookie contract. Yet, when they are FA's, will likely be signed for more money than even he was:
- DeMarcus Cousins
- Greg Monroe
- Jonas Valanciunas
- Nikola Pekovic (Guessing he may make around what JaVale did, but their will be a market for him)
Here are guys you listed who are worse than JaVale:
- DeAndre Jordan: 10.5 million (signed an INCREDIBLY similar contract, not much less than McGee. Is around the same rebounder as JaVale, much worse offensive option. Somehow, an even worse FT shooter. Had a 12.7 PER in the play-offs averaging 4.5 ppg and 5.3 rpg. I believe JaVale is probably better than Jordan, but at the very least they are near equal, as this contract would indicate)
- Jermaine O'Neal (Injury prone and past his prime. Would be much less money, but a severe gamble as far as actually, you know, playing in games)
- Chris Kaman (Same deal. Plus, he was making 14 million last year. Big time injury risk. Production is solid, but he has been hurt pretty often)
- Anderson Varejao (May make less money, but has been hurt constantly. Plus, has next to no semblance of an offensive game)
- Omer Asik (He has been a high level defender and rebounder off of the Bulls bench. But, he will be making 15 million in the third year of his perspective deal! That is nuts! Plus, he has shown no sign of being half of the offensive option that McGee is. Have to say, JaVale's deal seems much less ridiculous than the 3 year contract that Asik was reportedly offered by Houston, if that is still happening)
- Marcus Camby (He is a million. Years old. Guys best years well behind him, injury concern as well)
- Kendrick Perkins (Sorry to say, Perkins kind of bites. Not sure JaVale is much better, but he is better at certain things that one might want. I would take McGee over Perkins for sheer efficiency and see how the cards fall)
- Emeka Okafor (Makes more money than JaVale, coming off of an injury and has been well below average the past few years. Plus with two more years making over 13 million. No thanks)
- Samuel Dalembert (Signed a contract even more ridiculous than JaVale. Is not on that same deal now, but is also incredibly limited offensively and is over 30. I'll pass)
So, that leaves Tiago Splitter and Marcin Gortat, both of whom signed to deals below their value. Splitter is still in a deal that was basically a high level rookie contract he agreed to when he came to the Spurs. Gortat was a back-up who has proven to have solid starter value, so he actually went beyond his deals worth. The point I am trying to make is, centers like McGee are in short supply and the demand is pretty high. Denver seems to like him and have a willingness to gamble on it.
Even so, the majority of centers better than McGee are indeed being paid to indicate that. Having a center can still do wonders for a basketball team and while JaVale may be young and show immature qualities, he is also a rare physical specimen that has shown ability. This contract is definitely risky, just not as crazy as one would believe. Odds are, McGee will help Denver win some games and be a better team than a replacement who is not on the first two lists that I made. He has shown offensive potential that few centers in the league possess, definitely above the likes of DeAndre Jordan, Kendrick Perkins, Emeka Okafor, Omer Asik and Samuel Dalembert. All in all, his signing a contract that is similar to that of DeAndre Jordan should not be surprising and makes sense when you use that as a gauge of McGee's worth in the NBA contract landscape.
you just call JaVale an offensive option, are you sure serious? he doesn't have one constantly and effective move, you can't run offense through him, he is so raw it's not even funny!
When you are on the court, you are an offensive option. Not saying he is the primary option, secondary or tertiary. Just saying he is one, like the other centers are when they are on the court. Yes, you can expect more offense from JaVale than the centers I named. Here is how they break down in points per 36 minutes for their career (so they are all on equal ground):
JaVale McGee: 14.6 ppg (in his 20 games in Denver, was averaging 18. Was at 16.2 ppg for the season last year)
DeAndre Jordan: 10.1 ppg (Last year: 9.7)
Kendrick Perkins: 9.8 ppg (Last year: 6.8)
Emeka Okafor: 14.0 (Last year: 12.3)
Omer Asik: 8.0 (Last year: 7.6)
Samuel Dalembert: 11.2 (Last year: 12.2)
Am I not saying JaVale is a go-to guy. Just saying, if you want a tiny bit of offense from your center, McGee certainly appears more apt than these players listed. He shot 55.6% from the field and while I agree he is not a tremendous all-around defender, he can be disruptive and has tremendous length.
Andrew Bynum got the better of him in the play-offs, but McGee at least went down swinging. 8.6 and 9.6 was better than any of the other centers I listed did in the play-offs last season. I know JaVale has his shortcomings and I would prefer a number of centers to him. Still, he seemed to at least be on the right track.
He appears to at least love basketball and be attempting to improve. Denver could do worse and other teams have signed worse centers to similar or worse contracts. Once again, DeAndre Jordan may be improving, but he and JaVale are incredibly similar, with JaVale being much more efficient. Their contracts are essentially identical, with McGee making maybe a tad more. Well, I believe he is indeed a tad better, or at least has been up to the date of the signing of the deal.
bottom line McGee should not be put on the floor, he is much more harm than good, the best case for him is less smart Samuel Dalembert, you should not want JaVale at your starting lineup!
if we looking at young prospects, i will prefer less talanted center like Kevin Seraphin but that know what he's doing and know more winning basketball.
Only makes sense to give him a big and long contract.
I'd argue that he's probably more like 10th or 11th best. Probably top 5 defensively. He was #1 in BPG in the post season and 2nd in the regular season. My list of centers better than him in no particular order:
I think that if they give him starter minutes he could really blossom in Denver and could definitely move above Gortat. Bogut and Noah are injury prone, so their value really depends on health. I blame much of his previous immaturity on the Wizards' culture and nucleus of players.
no! he is bad defensively!! he doesn't know team's principles, doesn't know where to be and when, a foul prone, can only show flashes somtimes, that's it!
Than the other centers you listed as being better than him, plus I honestly believe he is on par with DeAndre Jordan as a defender. He has potential in this area and while he may never be dominant, at the very least I believe he contains value. To say he "doesn't know team principles" seems to be highly suspect.
Think that he gets pushed around and tries to block shots he probably should not. He at the very least is long and can effect shots, plus is not a terrible rebounder. His defense is not as exponentially awful as many other players offense. He does not have much of a back-to-the-basket game, yet still manages to score. You can say that about almost any center in the league outside of the top few. This contract is not incredible, just something that is not the end of the world or as bad as you are making it out to be.
McGee needs to hit the damn weight room. That's his main problem, just getting pushed around. He doesn't need to play like a small forward (which is something he attempts way too often).
Bulk up another 20 pounds and he'd be much more effective.
McGee should just stick to the basics like rebounding and blocking, I'm sure that Denver will try and drum the bad habits out of him. The offence can feed him baskets to keep him interested but his main priority should be on defence.
McGee showed some flashes of promise in the playoffs last season. He was part of potentially the worst coaching staff in the NBA during his time in the capital; when he came to Denver he'd never even been taught how to square up for a free throw! Despite this, and despite his bonehead plays he still was second in the league in blocks and was surprisingly efficient. With the right support, McGee has the chance to really develop - if he doesn't here then I think the knucklehead jokes are fair. Having said that, compared to the other contracts signed by free agent centres, I think this is a fair deal.
Just when it started to look like Daryl Morey was running away with the dumbest man to be labeled a genius tag, here comes Masai Ujiri!!! $44 million for McGee. $42 million for Gallinari. $31 million still owed to Afflalo. $21 million still owed to Al Harrington. $26 million for Wilson Chandler. Plus three more years for Kosta Koufos and Andre Miller. Three years for Anthony Randolph. All that money to max out as a team that loses in the second round.JaVale McGee has accomplished nothing in his NBA career other than establish himself as being dumb as rocks. Washington was stuck at the bottom of the league because he did nothing to make them better. He went to Denver and nothing changed. He didn't come on in the playoffs like so many claim, he had two good playoff games in seven. Now that he has gotten paid, what is his incentive to actually become a good player? What is the difference between Denver paying McGee for two good playoff games and Washington paying Andray Blatche for a couple months of meaningless no pressure games in 2010? How'd that work out?
Masai turned the Melodrama into a team of young assets. I don't believe he was responsible for the Al buckets deal and the Randolph and Miller deals are very cheap. I don't think he's a genius but I don't think he's a bad GM either. I wouldn't be surprised if theres a trade coming up, most likely including Chandler. McGee has performed at a better level for longer than Blatche ever did. Whilst McGee may not have done anything to improve Washington can you tell me what Washington has done to improve any of the young players they have drafted? Around the league the Wizards have been renowned as being poor developers of talent; lets see how McGee goes with a different coaching staff. None of those contracts will kill Denver moving forward and all players are young and tradeable, if you criticise the Nuggets' plans then you have to pretty much do the same for every franchise not called Miami, San Antonio, OKC, Chicago or Boston.
"McGee has performed at a better level for longer than Blatche ever did."
Simply not true. Over the final 32 games (post-ASB) of the 2009-10 season, Blatche averaged 22 points (on 48 percent shooting), 8.3 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 1.5 steals, and 0.8 blocks.
"Whilst McGee may not have done anything to improve Washington can you tell me what Washington has done to improve any of the young players they have drafted? Around the league the Wizards have been renowned as being poor developers of talent; lets see how McGee goes with a different coaching staff."
Jan Vesely grew by leaps and bounds from the begining of the year to the end. Kevin Seraphin went from useless to stepping in for McGee in year two and was better in filling that role. Trevor Booker learned to make a 15-footer which made him more valuable in year two. Their collection of idiots (primarily Young, Blatche, and McGee) prevented the team from gorwing back but not individuals.
Blatche put up those numbers over 32 games, McGee has been far superior throughout his career:
Those players showed glimpses last year but it is true that Washington for the past decade or so has been renowned for their inability to develop players.
If anything holds back the Nuggets it will be Karl's rotations and his infatuation with guys like Miller, Brewer, Mozgov and to a lesser extent Chandler. If he rolls out a line up of Lawson, Iggy, Gallo, Faried and McGee consistentlty then I don't see why Denver couldn't challenge for the 3rd seed. Masai's moves on the whole have faired extremely well when scrutinised with advanced metrics.
Washington was a veteran team for much of the past decade, and when they went into a complete rebuilding a few years ago the players who didn't show signs of development (McGee and Young) were shown the door.
McGee has been a bum in his entire career. He was an utter failure in Washington, and largely the same exact guy in Denver. Where are the advanced stats that take a look at a shot blocking fool and weigh those 3 blocked shots against the 44 points the Nuggets gave up in the paint per to the Lakers, the 3 fouls per, 43 percent shooting from the field, and the 12 of 26 free throws that he missed?
I'm not defending Andray Blatche. I smelled out the bum numbers right away with that one, but that is all JaVale McGee has ever done. A team should never pay for empty numbers, especially when it comes with a time tested dumby. That is what Washington did with Blatche, and they paid the price. They didn't with McGee, and now have two young building blocking in Wall and Beal flanked by real pros like Okafor, Nene, Ariza, and Webster. They are far better for it.
Also, if you think Ty Lawson, Iguodala, Gallinari, Faried, and McGee go anywhere you need to realize that is the Clippers with a downgraded point guard. Just like with the Clippers, not playing defense will come around to bite you in the butt during the playoffs when the grown up teams start their real season.