Paul westphal statement said "Couins demands a trade" Wow really he is acting like a kid..He's not playing todays game cause of this inciendnt! Hes sating home for todays game...Wow OMFG learn to go up cousins!
Westphal is a joke, he needs to be fired, he can`t control his young players or his get his young talented kings team to play as a unit. But Demarcus does need to grow up
This isnt even shocking. Not the least bit. I wonder where he goes, maybe Minnesota can send a package. Maybe Derrick Williams and Milicic for Cousins and cap filler. Maybe Washington sends a package to reunite Wall and Cousins. Very interesting breakthrough here.
Nobody really knows what really happens between a player and coach behind the scenes..
But Philly can right their mistake of passing over Cousins last year and send Hawes(who has been playing well this year) and Speights for Cousins & Thompson....The Kings have struggled to make perimeter shots the last few games...And Cousins said he was frustrated becuz the guards didnt get him the ball enuff...
this is not good for Cousins. teams hoping to score him in a trade have to wonder if he will ever be satisfied. how long before he will want out again if things dont go his way? I am interested in what are the main factors for him wanting a trade?
^ why would they send Hawes for Cousins who's a head case? Hawes is almost as young as Cousins and is having an amazing year this year. Cousins would ruin the team chemistry that Doug Collins has brought in over the last 2 years. Cousins would ruin that.
I really wouldn't mind seeing Cousins and Wall back on the same team. McGee for Cousins perhaps? I think that would be a nice building block for two players who are such close friends. Then, all the Wizards have to do is get rid of Blatche ASAP lol
you have a point, but Cousins talent is so undeniable. I probably have to agree with you and say that if Cousins gets put on the market....and thats still a big if...especially if Westphal resigns (ala Sloan)....then you whould have to think his potential suiters would be non-contenders....from a chemistry standpoint. Also Cousins doesnt strike me as the type who is willing to accept that he is the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team.
You have nothing to loose Speights and a draft pick...but that is why they did not draft him in the first place because he is immature...Elton Brand can check him if he starts tripping.
I don't care how immature this guy is. If I was a GM, I would call Westphal every single day and try to get this kid. I know he has problems but he has the potential to be one of the BEST centers of our generation.
Think about it, 14 and 8.6 in just 28 minutes in your ROOKIE season. This kid needs a lot of guidance, but with help, he can make it work. His per 36 minute stats were 17 and 11. I don't know about you guys, but I would try and get this kid. Now the problem, is that his Field Goal percentage is dismal fo ra big man, 43% last season, and 32% this season. But 13 and 11 in 27 minutes in 27 minutes this season. He just needs some mentoring and he'll be fine, he has been really good rebounding the ball, but he fouls constantly, shich keeps him off the floor.
Westphal is an idiot, I hope my Warriors try to get him, Udoh for Cousins straight up, or even throw in Klay Thompson if you have to. This guy has so much talent, just needs someone to explain to him that he needs to coachable.
And on a sidenote, Cousins is leading the league in offensive rebounding, with 23. He has more offensive rebounds than defensive roubounds, lol.
??? Cousins and Blatche on the same team? lol, wow. I could see them now, arguing over who has the "least" work ethic.
Philly isnt going anywhere with the collection of players they have now..There arent bad enuff to get a top 3 pick and not good enuff to be a serious playoff contender...They need to stir things up and bring some excitement to the team...
Sending Cousins to Washington with all those other young immature players will be a disaster...
But Cousins should've kept his cool,becuz its not everyday that you see a big man with his talents shooting 35% from the floor....His attitude and FG % will be a tough sale...
What you all think. I think its because of too many selfish players on the Kings. I'd rather do what I can to please him rather than send him off. This is &$#%#&@! bull &$#%#&@!. Now I gotta sit through a franchise that is already utter &$#%#&@! to be more &$#%#&@!? &$#%#&@! that, get rid of reke, Thorton and Westpaul. An ineffective coach and two god damn ball hogs. I'd get rid of a regressing player anyday of the week for a head case.
Cousins a PF or Center?
I doubt they trade cousins, they will fire Westphal and move on. If cousins still wants a trade sit his ass on the bench and let his potential rot tol his rookie contract is up.
Philly passed up on Cousins for a reason...They will likely pass up again.
Cousins has a rep for being immature. He got into an altercation with an opposing coach in high school. He got into a couple verbal feuds with Calipari at UK. He has also had some minor issues during his short stay in Sac. Cousins is a tremendous talent, but his future in the league is in question. I dont think he has the mental capacity at this point to reach his enormous potential.
If any coach could help him mature it would be Doug Collins but they passed on him in the draft for a reason and I doubt they'd trade for him.
We still all know his potential, Rasheed Wallace was a headcase too, but he's got a ring.
There's a reason he fell to the fifth pick, and this is it. Before all the blame goes to Westphal (who seems like a good guy, but not a good coach), remember that Calipari and Cousins bumped heads a lot too. A lot of draftniks thought he would just magically mature as he got older, but in reality, a tiger doesn't change its stripes.
I doubt the Sixers, Nets or Timberwolves are kicking themselves for their draft-decisions right now.
What kind of environment do you guys think Cousins needs to strive? Does he need to be the first option to be happy? What kind of coach would he get along with?
Prior to the draft I couldn't answer any of those questions. Still can't. What do you guys think?
Why would Cousins want to go to the Wizards who are even WORSE than the Kings? Demarcus wants to start winning not keep losing. I think a reasonable place for him to go is the Celtics teaming up with Rondo and becoming the future of a team looking to rebuild soon. Boston has two picks in the deep 2012 draft and will get Jeff Green back next season. Danny Ainge isn't afraid to make daring moves (dangling Rondo, moving Perkins for Green) I think he would fit in well there and it would make Doc happy who just signed a brand new deal.
I wouldnt call a physical fight with Donte Greene and numerous clashes with head coaches, assistant coaches, conditioning coaches..."minor issues" Remember, Antoine Wright sad that an unnamed Kings player (later to be confirmed as Cousins) had a "really bad attitude"?
"While Cousins’ teammates get along well with him and hang out with him away from the court, they’re often frustrated by his moodiness and immaturity when things aren’t going his way, a source said. Some of Cousins’ frustration, however, stems from his belief that some of his teammates aren’t punished or criticized as hard as he is when they make mistakes, another source said."
No Way will Boston send Rondo or that draft pick from the Clippers for Cousins..Even though Cousins is more talented than anyone in next year's draft..Maybe Boston will give up their 2nd pick and Bass for Cousins...
Maybe send Cousins and some players to the Hornets for Okafor ..
"Why would Cousins want to go to the Wizards who are even WORSE than the Kings?"
I dont think it has anything to do with how good a team is or isnt. Read the quote I posted above. It appears that along with Demarc having poor work ethic and a bad attitude, he really seems to feel that he is above criticism and beyond reproach. He more fitting of the "Big Baby" nickname than Glen Davis. This is speculation of course, but everyone cant be ganging up on him.
I wonder if sactown would put a sweet package together with cousins, if orlando would listen to it for howard.
My opinion of Demarc right now is, he is not concerned with winning but being viewed as a superstar. Although he and Wall are close friends I cant help but think he has always been a little jealous of all the attention Wall has received since they were first connected.
Look, Cousins won't magicly become more coachable or have less of an attitude. He needs to have the right people around him that believe in him and that he also believes in. Tiago Splitter and Cory Joseph for Cousins? The Tim Duncan to Duncan's David Robinson?
If Sacramento is stupid enough to trade him, I would be interested to know how much they would be asking for him, cause as a Warrior fan, Cousins for Udoh and Thompson is somthing I would be more than happy with.
And there are so many teams that could give lowball offers like the aforementioned deals, so it'd be interesting to see how this plays out.
Cusins has no say where he goes and is lucky if Sacramento even trades him. He has no pull in this scenerio at all. He either sits, plays, or gets traded. If he gets traded he either sits or plays.
Does New Jersey want to get Cousins? They could pair him up with Lopez or package one or the other to Orlando for Howard. Would a Cousins, Howard frontcourt court even work?
there will be sweeter deals for Orlando the closer it gets to the deadline. GMs have been afraid of Cousins for some time now and he has done nothing since being drafted to dispell those notions. If anything, he has re-enforced them.
We didnt know Rasheed was a head case until he got to the NBA. We knew that Cousins was a problem since High School. Rasheed had enough since to respect Dean Smith at least. Also Rasheed would have never won a win had he not went to a stable organization.
Let's get this dude to Philly asap. M16, Meeks or Brackins, and a protected first would be awesome. The Sixers passed on him because Evan Turner was a better prospect and less of a head case, not because Cuz didn't have talent. I'll take my chances with a strict coach, solid vets, and level-headed young players.
If he does go to another team I think him with Wall again would benefit both. That would be a serious high-risk high-reward move by the Wizards but hey no balls no babies.
I said this a while ago when Cousins got drafted and will say it again. A team that can see Cousins as a problem child due to bad behaviour is missing out. Sure he has his moments but that is correctable. Any successful buisnessman or entreprenuer knows that obstacles are oppurtunities. 29 NBA teams have a huge oppurtunity in front of them to acquire Demarcus Cousins someone with potential beyond an allstar level at a discounted price. On the flipside he would have to be regulated, broken down, and rebuilt! Put him in a front court with a Joe Smith, Ben Wallace, Kurt Thomas type of player as a matter of fact a trade to Detroit would be a good idea. Monroe, Cousins, Knight, Jerebko, and whichever SG they decide to keep sounds prety good going forward.
Detroit, they could use his him next to Monroe
The right to swap 1st round picks, Austin Daye and Maxiell (expiring deal) for Cousins
Jimmer - Evans - Daye - Hickson - Hayes
Thorton - Salmons - Honeycutt - Maxiell - Thompson / Whiteside
Sacremento: They get the small forward for the future and an expiring deal. They will suck this year and can draft Drummond and let Drummond play with no dispute.
Knight - Gordon - Prince - Monroe - Cousins
Bynum - Stuckey - Jerebko - Villanueva - Wallace
Detroit: has the big pairing for the future and also has the point guard for the future. They give up there future small forward but they can draft one in this draft or the next.
Derrick Coleman all over again. If he doesn't end up with a contender that has a coach with a strong personality or with strong leading veteran players then problems will resurface again. Hell, he'll probably continue to have problems on the regular throughout his career but a pancake like Westphal is really one of the worst coaches this young man can have.
Wow... Everything people feared about this guy is coming true.
He hears and reads the criticism... Why doesn't he change? I don't get it...
What he needs is counseling or therapy because it's so easy to see he has emotional issues and can't seem to control his anger.
and following Sheed since his HS days in Philly....I dont think he and Cousins are very similar.
Sheed was just a hothead, but he was actually very respectful of his elders and mentors. He just needed anger management. He was competitive and didnt care about hogging all the glory for himself. He was rarely a first option player wherever he went although he could have been. He was fine playing 2nd banana to Stack at UNC and he gelled well with the Pistons. His work ethic may have been in question but I dont remember anyone saying he was a bad teammate. Actually, most of his teammates loved him because of his winning attitude.
When Cousins committed to UK, he truly envisioned himself being the star. Although they had a great year, Wall's subsequent commital and stellar year stole a lot of shine from Cousins. Cousins was big time coming out of HS, but for a while he has been yearning to be "on his own" without the Walls and the Rekes. He wants it to be his team for a change....but he doesnt appear to do the "right" things to even be deserving of such a distinction.
they can give up Iggy and Hawes for Cousins and Salmons...honestly the Sixers have needed a True C for ages...if they can somehow get Cousins from the Kings and put him in a lineup with Holiday, Turner, Young and Brand he'll be very happy as the # 1 or # 2 option, the Sixers are either going Amnesty Brand next year and secure max cap space with he and Nocioni off the books...Holiday,Turner and Cousins would be on rookie deals, Young would become the highest paid player on the team at 8.5 million per season, Lou Williams would be 2nd at 6 million per...Speights and Meeks would either be resigned at a fair price or let go, Brackins provides a cheap option to replace Speights anyway, Vucevic is there to replace Hawes and backup Cousins...the Sixers would have over 20 million in cap space and a decent pick in a loaded draft(where they can draft a player like Kidd-Gilchrist to replace Iggy as a versatile playmaker)...they could go after Dwight Howard or Deron Williams, or just overpay for other teams young RFA's (Beasley, Mayo, Gordon, Harden)
I really liked that derick coleman comparison. The game and the terrible attitude.
Cousins's trade value will be fairly low at the moment, teams will not give up a high draft pick to try and get him and contenders might be scared off him due to the disruption he could cause. I like the Detroit and Boston suggestions and as a Phoenix fan if we could offer a limited package, I would not mind his potential on the Suns roster.
Another wildcard could be Portland as Coach MacMillan runs a very disciplined roster and he could maybe knock DMC into shape.
...I would do just about anything to see Blatche and Cousins play together.
Maybe Washington can get in on it. Wall/Cousins reunion FTW!!
all of them had work ethic issues, some admittedly. the difference between them and Cousins is they were all very competitive. Coleman gets knocked unfairly, a big part of that was because of that contract he signed. Sheed unfairly because he was very opinionated but only knew of one way to express himself, and that was forcefully.
Cousins compares more to Barkley. Barkley hated to lose but didnt want to do his part personally to give his team the best chance. Chuck was pretty darn selfish as a teammate....and didnt mind dishing out critcism but felt he was justified to do so because of his talent.
As obnoxious as Chuck was, he wasnt a totally bad locker room guy and he definitely came into the league with more humility. Remember, first appeared on a team that featured Dr. J and Moses Malone....and actually came off the bench.
Wizards trading McGee for Wall would be trading one silly nucklehead for an angry/emotional nuckle head.
I'd rather have the silly one...
You could talk about Cousins all you want but George Karl had some of the most selfish athletes working under a system and had them competing. The bottom line is there comes a time when coaching isn't just something during practice, its on and off the court. And Westpaul doesn't do anything to help the situation. Demarcus is &$#%#&@! pissed because he wants to win. He said himself to the press after the game before going up against the Knicks "We have to get better, not just the players, but everybody as a whole." Who the &$#%#&@! do you think he's talking about? If that wasn't enough here you go.
Evans after the Knicks game
"I just try to get open as I can and create," Evans said. "It's no real set for me, nobody really in the offense. Just pass, cut. We lost; nobody really knows what to do. I think that's what's really hurting us right now."
Demarcus Cousins after the Knicks game when asked about the offense in the third quarter.
"I really don't want to say anything"
Does cousins have an attitude? Yes, is he immature? Yes. But I'm pretty sure there have been others who we're immature and still turned into a productive player. Westpaul is trash.
Wall and Cousins are very close friends, but I dont think Demarc wants to be in his shadow again. Coincidentally, Washington has tried to do the college buddy thing once before, bringing Chris Webber in to join best friend and Bullets top draft pick Juwan Howard.
"We have to get better, not just the players, but everybody as a whole."
does this mean that he has shown a definite commitment to excellence and improving his work ethic? I am not saying he hasnt, I dont know...but IF he hasnt, he has no room to throw stones or make criticism...he will only lose the respect of the coaching staff and his teammates.
Philly has to try to do it. This is their opportunity to move forward. With a one move they can get a guy who if he gets more mature can be the top5 center in this league for years and give the place in the starting 5 do Evan Turner which will allow him to develop. Iguodala and Hawes for Cousins and Salmons would be a nice one
Holiday - Turner - Salmons - Brand - Cousins with Williams and Young coming from the bench makes the future more bright for Philly definetly.
Also the Kings get the needed pieces on the 3 and the 5 spot. Hawes is amazing this season and would fit nicely in my opinion to j.j hickson and iguodala would provide some nice defense from the small forward position
Dwight Howard and CP3 have the right to demand to be traded, they are competitive hard workers who want to win. Even Lamar Odom has earned that right when he requested a trade...because he felt he did everything the Lakers asked of him. Has Cousin done whats been asked of him in Sac? What makes him so special to demand a trade? His talent?
Doug Collins is not the type of coach to put up with a lot of B.S.