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Defensive Player of the Year goes to...

Tioseco posted this on the NBA part of the forum so don't +1 me, +1 him for the news.

http://nbadraft.net/forum/chandler-wins-dpoy

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New York Knicks center Tyson Chandler has won the NBA's Defensive Player of the Year award, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

The Knicks plan to make the announcement official Thursday at their practice facility. Chandler will receive the award Thursday night prior to Game 3 between the Knicks and Miami Heat.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--tyson-chandler-wins-nba-s-defensive-pl...


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ugh. serge earned that.

ugh. serge earned that.

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I actually wanted to see

I actually wanted to see LeBron win it. What he's done for the Heat on defense is not something anybody could have done. I mean, he guarded point guards to centers and guarded them very well. He played hard every possession and Miami is one of the top defensive teams in the league.

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Ibaka baka blocka definitely

Ibaka baka blocka definitely should've won the award

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Thanks

Thanks for citing me. Haha. I had to +1 you for that. Other than Serge and Dwight who else did you think had a chance to win it? Or at least got some consideration

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what

Serge Ibaka and LeBron deserved it ten times more then Tyson imo.

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Yeah no prob Tioseco Like I

Yeah no prob Tioseco

Like I said up there, I thought LeBron had a chance to win it. Outside of Serge, Dwight, Chandler, and LeBron, I don't think anybody else even had a chance.

Honorable mentions though would be Iguodala, Marion, and of course KG.

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everyone who thinks Ibaka

everyone who thinks Ibaka should win needs to be banned

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Ibaka was good, no doubt. But

Ibaka was good, no doubt.

But don't underestimate Chandler just because he doesn't get a lot of blocks. The man is a defensive guru.

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Ibaka is a shot blocker but

Ibaka is a shot blocker but lets not mistake that for being a great defender. He's a good defender, but hes not a DPOY caliber player.

I agree that Chandler, Howard, or Lebron should be the top 3

Good for Chandler, he went through alot early in his career with injuries and I remember reading an article about how he just got hackled like crazy by Bulls fans calling him a bust at much harsher things, so I'm rooting for him.

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Easy Choice

LBJ was the best defensive player this year. It's been years (maybe since MJ or Pippen) since I've seen such a dominant wing defender. I'm guessing part of the reason is because everyone already knows he's getting the MVP soon?

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I think Tyson Chandler was

I think Tyson Chandler was more than deserving. The Knicks were one of the worst defensive teams in the league last season and now they're a top ten defensive team. He's changed the culture of a team that's been horrible at the defensive end for years.

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Howard should of won he only

Howard should of won he only missed 12 games, but he actually played more minutes on the court than Chandler and played at a higher level during those minutes. Howard played 2070 minutes to 2061 and played at a higher level especially if you count rebounding which historically has been fastored in the award giving DPOY to Ben Wallace and Mutumbo who clearly were not the best non defender if the defensive backboards were not incorporated into the award. But even you do not personally count rebounding Howard still was better and played more

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Howard's situation with

Howard's situation with Orlando this season and the beating his image has taken definitely played a role in him not getting the award.

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Chandler is deserving but

Chandler is deserving but Lebron is the most versatile defender in the league, he is the best defender on one of the best defensive teams in the league.

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Ibaka - 27 mpg - 3.6 BPG and

Ibaka - 27 mpg - 3.6 BPG and .5 SPG

Chandler - 33.2 mpg -1.4 BPG and .9 SPG

Oklahoma is a better team offensively and defensively so i think IBaka should have got it

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That's great Boshjones,

That's great Boshjones, except the Knicks were way better defensively than the Thunder despite being worse at every spot but Chandler and Shump's.

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The Thunder are alot better

The Thunder are alot better on D than the Knicks have you watched either team play? If given a choice between Ibaka or Chandler I take Serge. Impacts the game more. idc how many rebounds he gets.

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Of course I've watched both

Of course I've watched both play. They're two of the most televised teams in the league. The Knicks, thanks to Chandler largely, were better this year. Every defensive metric there is backs me up on this.

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The defense in picking Tyson as DOP is the affect he had on the whole team. Look at them last year compared to this year. Much better with Tyson in the middle. Serge's OKC team has much better players on the defensive end including another defensive anchor in Perk.

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the Knicks without Tyson

the Knicks without Tyson Chandler are tremendously worse defensively

he's extremely valuable and he deserved this

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I just don't

I just don't get why the league won't give LeBron the MVP and DPOY. He deserved both without a doubt in my mind.

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lol ibaka should win the

lol ibaka should win the award? btch please.. your head musta been clouded by his blocked shots. tyson is the most deserving this year if not then lebron(can guard multiple positions). tyson even defended dwight very good. outside of ibaka's blocking skill, he's not as intimidating as chandler, garnet, lebron, dwight, allen. you can review as much as you'd like but the opponents he guard is still feasting on scoreboard. on to tyson, he is a vocal leader and change the teams culture

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I assume I'm not the only one

I assume I'm not the only one ecstatic that Dwight didn't win it. If Chandler had to win it to avoid Howard winning it then I'm happy. Hell I woulda accepted Steve Nash winning over Howard this year!

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In my opinion what seperates

In my opinion what seperates the two is Ibaka has a post side-kick in Perkins, whom is an above average defender and a decent rebounder. While Chandlers post-mate is Amare, who doesn't like to rebound, and only plays defense when he wants to.

I feel this sort of gimped Ibakas RPG, if Perk was not there Ibaka would deffinitely have more rebounds and quite possibly add another 0.5-1.0 BPG. So that's the rebound issue.

Now to the BPG issue, Ibaka is 3 inches shorter and most likely has a smaller wingspan than Chandler(check?), yet Ibaka completely obliterated Chandler in blocks.

As far as an "overall" defensive player, yes I'd have to agree Chandler is more saavy. He's the beast while Ibaka is more of a goalie. But Ibaka doesn't have to be the beast because that's what Perkins is for.

So in the end, I think either deserved it for different reasons. But when it comes down to it, Ibaka didn't win because of what Perkins does for the team. Now if there was an award for most dominant post duo, Ibaka & Perk got that hands down, but since it's an individual award Chandler gets the very small nod due to being by himself for the most part.

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Huh Howard is saavy and

Huh Howard is saavy and blocks shots and rebounds at a higher level than both and logged more minutes than both, sure Howard is annoying but if you are objective he won the award hands down.

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DPOY Awards only award bigs

The DPOY award has become a big man award which I think is unfortunate. I consider Dwight a great rebounder and shot blocker, but when he has to guard any center that can play I do not see him bothering them all that much. But this isn't to diminish Dwight or Tyson Chandler. The point is perimeter defenders can affect the game also. Lebron has often times defended 1-5 this year and done a great job at it. In fact he defended Dwight Howard for spurts this year. When Bruce Bowen was playing he was the best perimeter defender in the league. There are numerous great defenders that are not big men for they are not the only players who affect the defensive end of the court. Just some thoughts...

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Seems like.....

Chandler did indeed deserve it. The Knicks were in a shambles for much of the year and definitely did not meet expectations, but Tyson Chandler had a pretty fantastic season. His shooting percentage was one thing, but his defensive impact for the Knicks was definitely felt. Honestly, Ibaka blocks a ton of shots and all, but that seemed to do little to make the Thunder a dominant defense.

Seeing that, as Cynthia mentioned, he plays next to a fairly renowned defensive post in Kendrick Perkins (who is actually a pretty bad rebounder, but has been a solid defender), the Thunder's defense being average says something. At least it does to me and I am guessing most people who voted for the award. The Knicks allowed the fewest points in the paint out of any team this season at 32.3 ppg and the fewest points by opposing centers at 14.3 ppg. Leading the league in both categories after finishing 28th the year before (42.4 and 19.7), makes Chandler's value felt that much more. (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2012/05/tyson_chandler_named_defensive.html)

Serge Ibaka is a very aggressive and solid young defender. He has impressed me since his defense on Pau Gasol in the first Lakers/Thunder series in 2010 and has gotten better with time. You look at the blocking statistic and argue that in no way would Chandler averaging almost 2 less blocks per game make as much of a difference. Well, here is the thing about shot blocking. It is a skill and can effect a game. But, even if Serge gets 4 blocks, his team might not even have a change of possession, or maybe 1 or 2. The shot could go right back to the same team. As he is a "shot blocker", his jumping for a block could leave him out of position.

The fact also is, Tyson Chandler is still a more massive body and proven disruption. His defense was an incredible factor in Dallas winning a championship last year. Dallas is nowhere near the defensive force they were last year while the Knicks were transformed in that respect. To me, the Thunder still can be taken advantage of in the post at times. This may not be Serge's fault, but I do not see him as the defensive anchor that Chandler has displayed himself to be. I think Chandler deserved this award and if I had to vote for a top 3 this season, it would be Chandler, LeBron James and than Ibaka. Serge will probably have other chances, but I do not think this was the robbery that people taken with his major shot blocking numbers tend to feel it was.

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I don't have the numbers in

I don't have the numbers in front of me but I would bet at even money that the Thunder are a better defenseive team in terms of FG% defense and points per minute when Nick Collison plays than when Ibaka plays.

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This reminds me of last years

This reminds me of last years MVP award Lebron should of won but off the court issues and jealousy over him winning every year made people vote based on emotion rather than facts.

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Dwight Howard

Truly, the man is the best defensive anchor in the league. He may have an incredibly limited offensive game beyond dunking and using his incredibly wide shoulders to create space, but that still seems to be enough for his title as best center in the game to go relatively unchallenged (though, Andrew Bynum has looked excellent lately). Still, Dwight missed 12 games in a lockout shortened season. He was a complete and utter disruption off the court, which I do not feel LeBron was last year (at least not to near the extent Dwight was this season).

These things definitely hurt his candidacy in an award that has pretty much been his to lose. This year, he lost it for reasons that could be seen as emotionally driven more than play related. Still, while we know he is a beast on the glass and makes it more difficult than any other player to score in the paint, he killed his teams momentum with all of his other issues.

LeBron's loss of the MVP was more off-season driven than in season driven. Dwight's definitely was a candidate up until the whole Stan Van Gundy spat in my mind. Even before than, though, people were having a hard time giving Dwight the award due to the cloud of uncertainty he rained over his team. In both cases, I think they found players deserving of the award. Derrick Rose was incredible last season and played a larger role in the Bulls obtaining the East's best record. Tyson Chandler's rejuvenation of the Knicks defense was evident and his playing those 8 more games than Howard made a difference.

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Yese it is more about how

Yese it is more about how much you help your team, similiar to how Nash completely turned around that Suns team and won Mvp.

I do think at the end of the day its not about stats, but how much better you make your team defensivly.

Ibakas not that good man to man defensivly, while Chandler is great man to man, and his defensive leadership is great, hes a better defensive rebounder, and his defensive intensity rubs off on his teammates.

Ibaka is good, but i agree there isnt that much of a dropoff between him and Collison.

Ill take Chandler as DPOY any day.

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This is nearly a tangent, but

This is nearly a tangent, but it's one of my favorite defensive plays of the year - against the Heat Monday, the Heat ad numbers with Chandler and another defender back. Whoever was pushing the break (I want to say Lebron, but it might have been Chalmers) was covered with a step, but Chandler shaded towards him so he passed to Wade under the hoop - who immediately had his angle cut off by Chandler and passed to a wide open Bosh who Chandler then recovered and covered again, forcing a kickout and a re-start of the offensive set. It was a thing of beauty.

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Josh Smith? He never gets the

Josh Smith?

He never gets the credit he deserves.

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Serge Ibaka was a better

Serge Ibaka was a better defender IMO than Tyson Chandler this year and shouldve won the award. He deserved it.

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DEFENSE, LeBron, and Ibaka

When I see Tyson Chandler I think that the Mavs really could have used him this year. Watching game 1 against OKC, Dirk played well in spurts and Jet was on fire. Vince played well as did Marion, but they were really lacking in the middle. No great finisher and no defensive leadership inside. Losing Tyson Chandler might have cost Dirk another ring.

He is playing well, and this might also be like a quasi lifetime achievement award for Chandler. He plays great D all the time.

I don't think they wanted LeBron to get the MVP and DPOY in the same year. Especially since the Heat are a 2 seed in the East. Dwight's drama took him out of the running I think. Plus, he got the award every year and sometimes voters like to mix things up.

... I think LeBron has a good chance of getting the DPOY award next year. If he wins the MVP this year as he should that would give him 3 MVP awards in 4 years. So that is pretty spectacular. I don't think that anyone has ever gotten 4 awards in five years so even if he plays another great year I doubt that he will get the MVP next year. Look for them to give the MVP to someone new, probably Kevin Durant.

I think though that LeBron will be up for the DPOY next year since he established himself as a defensive superstar last year against D Rose in the conference finals. Then, this year he is killing it as a perimeter defender. And, throughout his career he has always put up good defensive stats. So he has a history of being a great defensive guy. So I think that next year LeBron will get credit for being a top-notch versatile defender and the voters will also look at his full body of work.

I think that next year's award will come down to LeBron and Serge Ibaka. Ibaka is a beast. He can defend and block shots, and seal off the boards. He and Perk are a great defensive front court duo (I still think that Perk and Ibaka along with Collison gave Marc Gasol and Z Bo fits last year and really wore them down, being a major reason why OKC beat Memphis last year in the playoffs). Ibaka is the league's best shot blocker which usually gets a lot of respect from voters. If LeBron is the frontrunner as the perimeter defender, then Ibaka is the frontrunner as the best interior defender.

Dwight Howard's blocks slipped this year. Unless they go back up a lot, Howard will be in 3rd or 4th place in DPOY voting next year. I think Josh Smith gets votes too, out of reputation, being a great blocks/steals guy and being a solid defensive presence. How does that guy keep getting left off the All Star Team? He needs to make it next year. J Smoov didn't make the all-star team but, ironically, you can make a case for him as a 3rd Team All-NBA at forward.

... if the Heat win a title this year then LeBron will have the MVP award and quite possibly the Finals MVP too. Winning a gold metal in the Olympics will give LeBron another trophy too, with not much else left to accomplish. I really think that if that happens, LeBron will have two things on his mind: hold the fort and put the Heat in the best position to repeat and try to win the DPOY. That would be very presitigous and solidify himself as one of the best two-way players ever. The only other perimeter player to have a MVP and DPOY is Jordan so I can see LeBron gunning for that.

By this time next year, LeBron might end up having 3 MVP awards, a Finals MVP, a title, 3 Finals appearances, two Olympic gold metals, a DPOY, and a shot to win back to back titles. That kind of run will put him on a very shot list of best players ever.

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I hate to say it but LeBron

I hate to say it but LeBron should have won, he had to defend every position on the floor throughout the season and did it exceptionally well. I also don't think Tony Allen ever gets enough love in these things. He should at least be first team all-defense.

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LeBron is deserving of the

LeBron is deserving of the award too, but if you take him off of the Heat, they're probably still a top ten defensive team. Chalmers, Wade, Battier, Haslem, Anthony, etc. They're really good defensively as an entire unit.

IF you take Chandler off of the Knicks, they're a bottom team defensively in the NBA. I think Howard and Chandler are the two most important defensive pieces to their teams in the league. They do so many things that don't show up in the stats sheet. Last season, Jason Terry said he thought Chandler was worth the max considering how he changed the culture of the team defensively.

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Imagine how well regarded

Imagine how well regarded Ibaka would be defensively if he actually kept a good power forward from lighting him up. DPOY isn't an award for your fantasy team.

Dwight Howard has far and away the greatest impact, but he didn't bring it every night this year. LeBron is the only player in the league who can guard any player in the league and do well. LeBron should get it and it be a no-brainer.

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LeBron is on the short list

LeBron is on the short list of potential DPOY winners next year with Serge Ibaka. Howard and Chandler will get some votes along with Tony Allen, Iggy, and Josh Smith. If I had to pick a sleeper candidate next year (other than Josh Smith) I would go with Anthony Davis. He has some real potential as a great defensive presence who can guard a few positions on the floor (power forward and center at least, with a chance to play the biggger small forwards like LeBron and Carmelo at times), block shots, and change a team's defensive identity.

To me, an ideal Defensive Player of the Year is a guy who plays great fundamental defense as a lockdown man defender as well as a great team defender. Being a versatile defender is a big plus. Give me a guy like MJ, Pippen, Rodman, or LeBron who can guard several different positions. Guys who gamble are overrated, but you still need a guy who can give you the big stop defensively. So ball denial is very underrated, and making guys work for their shots and forcing guys into tougher shots is important. I also like defenders who can do all that as well as give you the flashy defensive stats such as blocks and steals (and defensive rebounds). MJ, Pip, and LeBron all put up great steals and blocks numbers and could get up high to swat shots. All three were very solid rebounders, with Rodman being a premier rebounder who could also get you some steals.

Guys with flashy defensive numbers get too much credit. Great team defenders don't get enough credit. One on one defense is more of an art than a science. You have to know when to go in for a kill and when to let your opponent shoot his team out of the game. For example, Jason Kidd played effective defense on Kobe last year, since he put Kobe into slightly worse scoring opportunities without totally shutting him down. Then Kobe shot over Kidd and took tons of bad shots. That helped the Mavs as much as anything. Every shot that Kobe took and missed was then one fewer shots for one of their bigs inside (Bynum, Pau, Odom).

LeBron is the guy who fits this description the best now. So I think he will win a DPOY in the next couple of years. Ibaka will get there if his team and one on one defense matches his shot blocking skill. Although the Thunder might be set up that way for a reason. Use Perk as the big body to wear down the bigs one on one and then use Ibaka as the high flying shot blocker. Each big man plays to their strength and each one brings something to the table.

A key for Ibaka will be how the does against Dirk for the rest of the series and how he does against Pau Gasol in the next round. If he handles Pau then the Thunder has a great shot at winning the next round. In the Finals it might come down to the Bosh-Ibaka match up. If Ibaka steps it up, shuts down Bosh, and shuts down the lane then the Thunder will have a great shot to win the title. Ibaka is one of the biggest X factors in the playoffs right now.

... Tyson Chandler deserved the award this year, but I can see some new guys winning the next few DPOY awards. LeBron and Ibaka being two, then after that Anthony Davis making a run for many years down the line.

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I agree that Howard would win

I agree that Howard would win the award had he not been such a douche this year, the stats show that he makes that team an incredibly different team defensively

Somebody said it best that Ibaka is more of a goalie than a defender. He is a really good shot blocker, and while Perkins may steal some of his boards (though Perkins really doesnt get that many), it doesnt mean he is a good defensive player, or a DPOY type player. Hes a good defender and a great shot blocker, but the DPOY should be given to the best defender in the league, which is either Lebron, Howard, or Chandler this year.

Whoever said the DPOY is basically a big man award is dead on, but lets be honest, besides that , big men get very little credit nowadays outside of the elite basketball minds.

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@ Mikey V One of the few

@ Mikey V

One of the few times I'm going to disagree with you.

Blocked shots do not necessarily lead to change of possession. That is true.

However there are major effects that undervalue the blocked shot statistic:

1) Ability to keep the ball in bounds / to teammates vs. knocking it out of bounds.

**Serge is particularly good at blocking the ball lightly to teammates. Dwight howard tends to block shots into the crowd

2) Who you block, and on which types of plays

**I don't have stats on this, but it seems that Ibaka gets a lot of difficult blocks against post players and on fast breaks. These are more difficult and important blocks than just blocking a tiny point guard who might have been taking a difficult shot anyway.

3) Altering shots by not quite blocking a shot. Or pretending to go for the block. Or just being in the area.

4) Psychological barrier that keeps players from driving agressively. This leads to lower percentage shots by the other team, and also makes it easier for your teammates to guard on the perimeter.

When you add those things up, shot blocking has a MUCH greater impact that you might think.

Serge Ibaka, in particular, is the type of player who gets difficult, game changing blocks. Here's a very good article on the subject:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2012/05/01/19495/

I still think Chandler is DPOY. But Ibaka's blocking does make a big difference.

Tony Allen, Iguodala, Josh Smith, KG all deserve some recognition this year too:

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2233

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"But Ibaka's blocking does

"But Ibaka's blocking does make a big difference."

OKC is a middling to mediocre defensive team that doesn't keep teams from getting easy points, and hasgotten abused by frontcourts in the playoffs. Other than you liking Serge Ibaka, what is the big difference being made? If the team is giving up 42 points in the paint and another 18 at the line per game, and teams with scoring front courts can abuse him all the time, then you need to expound as to this difference you want to believe exists.

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Looks like LeBron finished

Looks like LeBron finished fourth in the voting.

It went Chandler, Ibaka, Howard and James.

The fact Ibaka finished this high and LeBron finished this low makes you want to revoke voting rights for some of the people who vote.

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2011-12 Kia NBA Defensive

2011-12 Kia NBA Defensive Player of the Year Results

PLAYER TEAM 1st Place (5 Pts) 2nd Place (3 Pts) 3rd Place (1 pt) Total Points
Tyson Chandler New York 45 25 11 311
Serge Ibaka Oklahoma City 41 24 17 294
Dwight Howard Orlando 18 23 27 186
LeBron James Miami 7 19 20 112
Kevin Garnett Boston 2 9 7 44
Tony Allen Memphis 4 3 7 36
Andre Iguodala Philadelphia 1 7 7 33
Shawn Marion Dallas 2 2 1 17
Luol Deng Chicago 1 2 5 16
Josh Smith Atlanta 0 2 3 9
Joakim Noah Chicago 0 2 0 6
Marc Gasol Memphis 0 1 2 5
Chris Paul L.A. Clippers 0 1 2 5
Avery Bradley Boston 0 0 2 2
Mike Conley Memphis 0 0 2 2
Grant Hill Phoenix 0 0 2 2
Iman Shumpert New York 0 0 2 2
Greg Monroe Detroit 0 0 1 1
Dwyane Wade Miami 0 0 1 1
Russell Westbrook Oklahoma City 0 0 1 1

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This must've been a Memphis

This must've been a Memphis friendly panel.

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Also a "I just don't want to

Also a "I just don't want to give another award to LeBron" panel.

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It's laughable how far behind

It's laughable how far behind LeBron was in the voting. He should have easily been a top-2 vote-getter if not the winner.

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The right person won it.

Glad Lebrick didn't win it.

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Ibaka finds himself out of

Ibaka finds himself out of position alot of times because he's always trying to help and contest shots. This helps your team when timed correctly but also hurts your team because it can put you out of position, and makes it harder to get the defensive board (Thunder were 2nd worst in NBA at preventing offensive boards). I definitely agree with the award going to Chandler because he does all the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet.

Also, to prove that shot blocking is not as valuable as you might think:

--> the Sixers averaged 3 less blocks per game than the Thunder but yet they allowed the fewest points in the paint in the NBA. This proves that shot blocking is not really that valuable when it comes to shutting down the paint.

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Ibaka finds himself out of

Ibaka finds himself out of position alot of times because he's always trying to help and contest shots. This helps your team when timed correctly but also hurts your team because it can put you out of position, and makes it harder to get the defensive board (Thunder were 2nd worst in NBA at preventing offensive boards). I definitely agree with the award going to Chandler because he does all the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet.

Also, to prove that shot blocking is not as valuable as you might think:

--> the Sixers averaged 3 less blocks per game than the Thunder but yet they allowed the fewest points in the paint in the NBA. This proves that shot blocking is not really that valuable when it comes to shutting down the paint.

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