defending the pac 10
just wanted to defend my favorite conference a little while giving everyone a run down of how htings are looking at the moment in the pac 10.
Just for revisionist sakes, here were my pre-season predictions for the conference:
I figured 7-10 would struggle. Oregon got next to no recruiting done since they didnt have a coach until after the recruting process was basically done and they had like 4 guys transfer and lost another starter due to academics. Cal lost all 5 starters and 2 key reserves from last years team. stanford struggled last year and that was with the best player in the confernce(landry fields) there, so with him gone and them relying on freshman i knew they would struggle. I thought oregon state could be competitive but they lost their best defensive players and just dont have much talent. However, oregon state at 4-5 is the only team of those 4 with a losing record. The others all have winning records and for the most part have been competitive.
Now for the rest of the conference:
UCLA has been hands down the biggest dissapointment. I thought they were a top 25 team. Obviously i was wrong They still have potential and hopefully get it figured out. But a winning record and a couple of razor thin losses to kansas and vcu that came down to final plays is not the end of the world. Losing to montana was embarrasing though.
Arizona state has also been dissapointing. I knew they had size issues inside and relied heavily on perimiter play, but i uderestimated how much of a lack of post presence would hurt them defensively. But again, they have winning record so its not like they are terrible
Washington is still the best team in the confernce in my book. They just have to figure out how to close games. They have 3 losses to kentucky, michigan state, and texas a&m. All three of those losses came down to the final minute with the texas am and michigan state games being decided on the last shot of the game. But other then that, every victory has been by 20+ points and the 43 point smackdown they laid on virginia is looking better by the day as virgina has gotten it going. If you watch this team, they can compete with anyone in america.
Arizona sits at 9-2 with one loss a close game vs kansas and the other being a lopsided loss to byu. But they have talent and should make the ncaa tournament led by derrick williams who is one of the bst players in america.
USC has played significantly better recently. Their record might not show it, but they blew texas out last week and just lost a close one at kansas by 2 today. Getting jio fontan back today will be huge for them down the stretch. This is a talented team and one that oucld pull off an upset if they managed somehow to get to the tournament.
Washington State has been the biggest surprise team to me. They defend well, they have an all american candidate in klay thompson who is averaging 20-5-5 and playing solid defense. They are 7-1 with the one loss being a narrow 5 point defeat to top 10 kansas state. This team could push for a top 25 ranking.
USC is going to finish ahead of UCLA.
Washington State should finish ahead of Arizona State and could end up ahead of UCLA.
Arizona State has too many bad losses already (St. John's, Richmond, and New Mexico) to even be a legit bubble team.
What exactly has UCLA done to say they are anything but a bad team with a good name?
nothing. Did you read the post? I said they have been a dissapoint and are clearly not a top team. All i said was they have potential and hopefully they put it together. Those rankings were mine from before the season started if that is what you were thinking.
Its gonna be a very interesting year for the pac. The good thing is the teams are playing some good out of conference teams before heading into the conference play. i see potentially 3 tournament teams
if i were to rank them today:
i do think arizona state, cal, oregon and stanford is pretty much a toss up. UCLA will hopefully get it going today with a win over byu.
Cali is pretty bad
Arizona state isn't as good as i though
i see a fight from 3 on down with each team showing good play in certain games but all of them under the big three are very inconsistent
i agree with sheed up there.. usc willl be ahead of ucla..
so we all agree usc will be ahead of ucla
The Pac 10 needs to step up.
pac 10 needs to stop losing talent to the nba. No conference in america has had more draft picks in the last 3 drafts. The confernce is young as hell.
i dont agree. i think ucla will be ahead of usc
"UCLA has been hands down the biggest dissapointment. I thought they were a top 25 team. Obviously i was wrong They still have potential and hopefully get it figured out. But a winning record and a couple of razor thin losses to kansas and vcu that came down to final plays is not the end of the world"
How do you think that is similar to my diagnosis of them just being a bad team with a good name? They are probably a year away from being relevant again - and even then that is contingent on their players coming back.
UW, Zona, USC, Cal, Wash St, UCLA, ASU, Stanford, O, Oreg St. I think the tournament starts getting dicey after Zona. They'll probably get at least a third, but that muck between the top two and Oregon State could get ugly. Wash St's weak non-conf schedule can come back to hurt them if they end up towards the middle.
Down year for pac but next year and the year after will be much better
UCLA has a winning record. They have legit NBA talent. They lost to kansas at knasas by 1 point. They currently have a lhalftime leads over ranked BYU. You can diagnose them as a bad team, but when you made your comment a question i assumed you meant that i some how said they are something they are not. What about my assesment of them being a disspaointment with talent and potential do you disagree with?
Washington, Arizona and (MAYBE) Washington State and UCLA are the only tourny teams I see. Both could easily be NIT teams, but UCLA's name will give them the benefit of the doubt if they're on the bubble I'd think, fair or not.
Unfortunately almost beating a team doesn't count.
I dont see why anyone would be disappointed in what UCLA has done so far. they are exactly what i said they were before the season started.
They have a winning record but they are 5-4 so its barley a winning record. They have the third worst record out of all the Pac-10 teams and just like other Pac-10 teams they haven't beat anyone
most preseason magazines, sites, journalists had them finishing either second or third and making the tournmanet. They have been a disasapointment hands down.
Talent wise they should be better then they are when i sit and think about it.
but its far from over. Lots of parity in college this year. UCLA is doing a better job getting josh smith involved. Its not like a bad start means the season is over for anyone.
And i shook my head when i saw those. there were a couple that had them right where i did and they were probably shaking there heads as well. I think there rankings had more to do with there name just like now with people mentioning them. if it wasnt for the UCLA name no one would talk about a 5-4 team .
Actually i dont remember anyone having them finishing 2nd or third. everywhere i saw was them finishing 4th or below except for you and iggy. Maybe im wrong but where did you see others putting them second or third?
Ment 1st or second. i do remember somewhere someone thought they would finish third
And its not over of course especially with how bad the Pac-10 is this year
this site posted on the front page 3 pre season polls done by other sites. 2 of them had ucla finishing second and the third one had ucla finishing third. I probably checked a dozen pre season rankings and 4th was the lowest anywhere i saw with 2-3 being the most common rankings. As for why? Honeycutt, lee, nelson were all returning underclassmen with talent and josh smith was expected to give them the inside presence they needed and lazeric jones was supposed to give htem a solid starting pg. WHo besides washington was clearly ahead of ucla coming into the year?
Not sure why they thought they were better then they are. Actually i do know why, because of there name. I guess they are surprising alot of people with how they are playing but I'm not surprised one bit. so i guess some are disappointed i just can't understand why. Its probably the same with some uconn fans who aren't surprised by how well they are doing while others are surprised. Some things are obvious to some while not so obvious to others
Nobody on here ever talks about the Pac-10 or has made any predictions except me llperez and you.
But yes, just because you didn't think UCLA would be the 2nd or 3rd team in the conference doesn't mean they are underachieving. They have 3 "prospects" in Malcolm Lee, Tyler Honeycutt, and Reeves Nelson, and Josh Smith and (even though he sucks) Jerime Anderson is even on scouts radar. If they have all that supposed talent on their team and they are playing like they are, you have to consider them as an underachieving team. NJot to mention the preseason predictions.
good for you
And UConn fans would be lying if they said they aren't surprised by how they're playing.
They would fit into Colorado's boat then since they have 2 guys scouts considered first round picks before the season. Both teams players will more than likely drop int he scouts eyes with the way they have been playing
oh yeah, and ucla has been playing well recently and leads byu by a dozen at the moment.
josh smith is going for his 5th straight double double and the team is doing a uch better job looking for him as he gets more assertive.
No they wouldn't. Maybe you dont understand how being a fan works. There are some fans who truly think there team is better then what the majority of other people think. Does that make them liars? Sometimes they are right and they felt they were gonna be right all along. Its no different then when a Coach recruits a kid who he says can be a NBA player yet other coaches don't recruit the kid and dont even think the kid could be a starter for a mid major college. Just because we dont agree or see what a fan or another person may see doesn't make them a lier
that would be true if it werent for the fact that all the pros, sites, mags, etc had ucla making the tournament this year and finishing near the top of the confernce. SO obviosly its not just fans.
I hope they do beat BYU..i dont like them personally. And i expected them to play well recently against cal poly and uc Davis. I think they always punish them when they play them. they should blow out the next two cali colleges as well
i'm not saying it was just fans im saying they are Obviously wrong so far. which is why i say it doesn't surprise me that they are playing like they are. i'm sure it surprised all those pros, scouts. and all those other people. but like i said i dont understand why because personally its no surprise to me
Just goes to show you people can watch the same team and have different opinions
Like I said lol, UConn fans would be lying if they said that they thought UConn would be playing like they are right now. They were more worried about whether Coach Calhoun would even finish the season out as coach.
I understand perfectly fine how being a fan works, but it would be a lie if a UConn fan came out and said they thought they would be playing this good right now. Other than an extremely rare case. Like 1 person.
well you're wrong cuz i can give you the names of 10 or more of my friends in Conneticut who thought uconn would be this good and better before the season even started. Went to High school my senior year and there are many Uconn fans who think they should have won it all last year and think they will win this year. So no they aren't liers thats just how they feel.
They thought they'd be a top 5 team before the season? They said that?
i'm not seeing how you don't understand that just because you are surprised by something then that means there aren't alot of people who aren't surprised about it. It happens all the time in sports. There will always be fans of the Clippers/raiders,who ever sucks in baseball and hockey, who feel every year that there team will do well. There were Butler fans who weren't very surprised that they made it as far as they did. Same with George mason fans. some fans believe things no matter how unreasonable it may seem to you and me. Is that hard to understand?
go to facebook and type in some uconn fans page and look back to before the season even started. Do the same for other sports and teams that are doing better then most people thought they would and you would be surprised how many so called "liars" there are. you can go to Vegas and see how many people seem unreasonable yet believe there team is gonna win or number they are gonna hit no matter how much the odds are against them
leave the raiders out of this!!!
No UConn fan would've said they'd be in the top 5 before the season.
lol...you must be a raiders fan
And yes there are some Uconn fans who thought they would win the title even before the season. Man you really dont understand about being a fan do you?... I know Maryland fans who truly believe the Terps will win this year. I know redskins fans who thought that before the season. This is common knowledge that there are fans that think there team will win it many times irregardless what anyone says.
How is that so hard to believe in a world where millions play the lotto thinking they are gonna win or people making bets in vegas really thinking that " this is the horse that will win" regardless of the record. Or fighters saying they will beat someone and relieving it even though they have no chance in hell. Kids believing without a shadow of a doubt that they will make it to the NBA even though the chances are slim and none. With all that you truly believe there aren't fans out there who think uconn or any other team would be as good as they are? Hell there are hundreds of Stanford fans who thought Stanford would be undefeated at this point. I know 3 UCLA fans who thought they would be undefeated by now. Just because the majority of us don't believe in something doesn't mean there arent those out there that do
I'm not gonna even touch religion to prove my point
Big win for ucla. Reeves neslon and josh smith dominated the paint and the byu bigs just got worn out. Jimer got off to a great start but had some bad turnovers at least 3 times getting his pocket picked in striahgt up one on one situations.
Leading scorers were jimer freddette with 25 points and reeves nelson for ucla with 23 points.
Tyler honeycutt had a solid game with 17 points on 6-12 shooting with 8 boards and 4 assists.
Where do you see Nelson going if he enters the draft llperez? I may have asked already, but I forgot.
Malcolm Lee played great D on Jimmer in the 2nd half. Made him work for shots and forced him into TO's.
Reeves Nelson is a late 2nd round pick-undrafted in 2011.
That's around where I was thinking, I have Honeycutt in the mid-late first.
@yupyup, i dont think nelson enters the draft this year. If he did, he would be probably in the second round. He has a slight chance at the first round becasue he is a do the little things banger type and those guys get some love in the nba and his skills are imprved. But i wouldnt waste too much time thinking about him in the nba, hes a questionable prospect who might not even leave
lee's defense was very very good
"@yupyup, i dont think nelson enters the draft this year. If he did, he would be probably in the second round. He has a slight chance at the first round becasue he is a do the little things banger type and those guys get some love in the nba and his skills are imprved. But i wouldnt waste too much time thinking about him in the nba, hes a questionable prospect who might not even leave"
He wants to leave and it keeps getting written that he wants to leave. I think he has a better chance of going undrafted than go in the first round if he does, but if he doesn't like school and doesn't mind the D-League so be it.
Ehhh, Reeves Nelson has no chance at going in the 1st round.
BTPH, Iggy, llperez, Quincey:
Where do you guys think Lee goes in the draft? Or if he will stay or something.
He'd be late 1st-mid 2nd round pick, but I think he'll return for his Senior year.