[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

So after some much needed "constructive" criticism, the combine results, and further research on my part, here are some new player comparisons:

1. Kyrie Irving – Mike Bibby – Im not talking about this Miami Heat Bibby.. I am talking about the Kings Bibby… Same sort of skill set.  Not very quick, not a great jumper, great IQ, and starting in the league, not a fantastic 3 point shooter.  For the better part of his career, I can see him close to 18 points per game and 9 assist but as a rookie, he will be close to 13 points and 6-7 assist per game.

2. Derrick Williams – Antawn Jamison – I think they are perfect clones. Jamison, out of college was primarily a faceup PF without much of a jumper. He relied on his athletic ability and legnth to score and rebound. Once he got into the NBA, he learned to shoot when he was asked to play the SF. If Williams can learn to shoot and get stronger, he could be a consistant 18 PPG and 8 rebound guy for his career. (sticking with this one)

3. Brandon Knight – Eric Gordon – Great jumper with deceptive athletic ability. More of an on the ground athlete as opposed to a flying athlete. Nice first step and ability to finish around the rim.  He has the ability to score in bunches but will rely on a jumper for most of his production. Put in the right situation, he could be a nice starting PG but sould be a good tweener guard right a way. 

4. Enes Kanter – Nene – Probably wont have that dominate stregnth that Nene has, but he does combine respectable stregnth with very fluid mobility. Can shoot the mid range shot but should primarily play around the rim. Has the ability to play the PF spot but will play C most of his career. (sticking by this one) After seeing him at the combine, I am even more convinced that he will be alot like Nene.. He is 6’11, 255, runs and jumps like a guard.  He should be the best player in this draft.

5. Jonas Valanciunas – Marcin Gortat – Long body with a pretty good motor. If he bulks up, he could be a starting C in the league.. 1-becaues the league is desprate for big men and 2-because he has a nice skill set that shoud translate well.  Unlike I thought previously, he has a nice knack for grabbing rebounds and his offensive game isnt as refined as I thought.  Seems to thrive on the break and with a few rolls and cuts to the basket. 

6. Jan Vesely – Josh Howard – Vesely will come into this league with a defind role. That will be to defend and rebound.. After a year or two, he will be a vital part of an offense with an advanced skill set.. Nice legnth with sneaky athleticism.  Could turn into a star in this league.

7. Kemba Walker – Damon Stoudamire – If put in the right position, he could be a phenom. This kid has the ability to score close to 20 points per game and get close to 8 assist. Will that happen?? Probably not. Small guard with a great first step and an "in your face" attitude. Kemba will have to continue to improve his range to be effective in the NBA because he wont always be able to blow past defenders and finish at the rim.. There is no Dwight Howard to block your shot in college.. Look for explosive moves to the rim with little to show for it.. He will have a tough transisiton to the NBA but will over come it. (sticking with this one)

8. Kawhi Leonard – Gerald Wallace – Will probably rebound better right away than Wallace did.. Needs to tighten his handle and fix his stroke but his athletic ability will be his calling card for the bulk of his career.. I am in no ways comparing him to Denis Rodman but dont be surprised if he becomes that type of player.. Averages more rebounds than points and doesnt look to score.

9. Tristan Thompson – Brandon Wright – Long player with a great chance to fail. Could be a nice role player but his lack of stregnth and a go to skill will hurt him.. The league isnt in need of average PF players who are weak and have drive questions.  However, I dont think its him. I think he will be a solid verson of Brandon Wright.

10. Alec Burks – John Salmons – This guy will do a little bit of everything but most of all, he will score.  It wont be like Salmons where he was hidden and played a solid 5 years before anyone even considered him a starter. Burks will come in and contribute right away.  Good athlete with pretty good handle and is pretty good at setting other up.. Sort of a jack of all trades but his best skill will be scoring.

11. Marcus Morris – Jeff Green – Will be a contributer right away with his ability to shoot and score here and there. Has a strong body with pretty good athletic ability but will always be stuck between positons as a PF/SF. Unless he adds lots of stregnth, he will be a tweener who is probably going to be a career 6th man. (staying put)

12. Klay Thompson – Anthony Parker – Great shooter with the ability to knock down shots from anywhere. Possibly the best shooter in the whole draft. Long player who can defend because of the legnth. Not a great athlete and wont dunk on your head very often. Probably will be a role player from day 1 and could turn into a great starter off of a nice PG. (staying put)

13. Bismack Biyombo – Theo Ratliff – Very little offensive game but a fantastic defender. Will take a while to develop, like most bigs in the league, but will be a consistant shot blocker from the start..  Could never be a great scorer but could definatly be a 10-14 point scorer at the top of his game.  Could also be one of the better shot blockers in the league one day.. Everything witht his guy is up in the air.

14. Markieff Morris – Paul Milsap – Nice compact body that is very strong. Has some good range on his shot, so does Milsap but he doesnt show it off often. Solid rebounder but biggest stregnth with be just that; stregnth.  He can push people around from day 1 and that will help him to find a spot on a roster somewhere..

What do you think about me now???

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Kyrie Irving isn’t really like Mike Bibby. I think he’s more like a Kenny Anderson type.

Antwan Jamison had a jumper though. So the Williams comp isn’t that great

Brandon Knight is nothing like Eric Gordon.

Markieef Morris isn’t really like Paul Milsap

Klay Thompson is slightly better then a Anthony Parker comp. I would say more like a Doug Christie/Hubert Davis/Poor man’s Dale Ellis type. Someone who can defend and hit the 3 ball

 

I agree with the rest.

[ChrispyParticipant]

A few issues. Irving is a far better athlete than Bibby ever was.

Derrick Williams no J? He shot 57% from 3 and 75% from the FT line last year.

Vesely’s athleticism isn’t sneaking up on anybody. In fact, that is what he is KNOWN for at this point. His posterization collection is amazing already! Needs to get better w ball handling ability and shooting, but man can he move for a 6’10" guy!

 

 

 

[NashyMingParticipant]

Kyrie Irving – young Mike Bibby is interesting comparison.  I haven’t thought of it, but it does make sense.

Derrick Williams – Antawn Jamison sounds about right.

Brandon Knight – I don’t think he’s like Eric Gordon.  I actually see some Gilbert Arenas in Knight.

Enes Kanter – Nene – interesting, but Kanter should be better offensively and not as good defensively.  Al Hortford is a solid comparison.

Jonas Valanciunas – Marcin Gortat – never thought of it, but it actually makes sense if Valanciunas bulks up a bit, they do look pretty similar.

Jan Vesely – not too agree with Josh Howard.  I would say Tay Prince – skinny long defender with ok offense.

Kemba Walker – Damon Stoudemire is a good comparison, but I see some Ty Lawson too.

Kawhi Leonard – Gerald Wallace is the best case scenario

Tristan Thompson – does have some Brandon Wright in him, more likely to reach potential though.

Alec Burks – John Salmons makes sense – all around solid swingman

Marcus Morris – Jeff Green comparison makes sense.  I also see some Al Harrington.

Klay Thompson – not sure if he can play good D like Anthony Parker.  The potential is there.

Bismack Biyombo – Theo Ratliff is a good comparison.  This is probably the best comparison to him.  Although I think if he works hard, he can be better offensively.

Markieff Morris – don’t think he would be Paul Millsap.  Paul Millsap was a great rebounder and Markieff wasn’t anywhere close to that.  I am not sure how Drew Gooden was like when he was in college, but that sounds like a better fit.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I think Vesley is more long than athletic and that is how he has such nice dunks..

Everyone talks about what a great rebounder Milsap is but he has never averaged double digit rebounds.

I dont think yall see enough of Eric Gordon.. He isnt just a shooter.. He does it all.  He is one of the better scorers around..

Also, I dont think that Irving is much better of an athlete than Bibby was.. I mean he can dunk but that doesnt define athleticism..

[ChrispyParticipant]

Please explain how this is “more long than athletic”?

or this

Thanks- Chris

[ChrispyParticipant]

Agree about Gordon. I see almost every Clip game and kid is SERIOUSLY under valued.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Just like alot of players, his legnth makes him look like a great athele when they arent.. Tyreke Evans is a pretty good example. He isnt a fantastic athlete but he has some nice dunks because his arms are so long.. Vesley is the same way.. When he flys, does he really fly or does he do more reaching?? From everything I have seen, he is a long fluid player that doesnt really jump that high.. Just watch him jump.. He jumps out and not up when he dunks…

[ChrispyParticipant]

Agree to disagree?!

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

How does Derrick Williams have no J? 

I think Kyrie Irving is a better passer than what Bibby was at Sac Town.

One of Eric Gordon’s biggest asset is his strength, which is completely lacking in Brandon Knight’s main weakness.

Alec Burks doesn’t have quite the shooting that John Salmons has and is probably a better passer.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I didnt say Williams had no jumper.. I said it needs work.. He has poor form and it wont translate to the NBA unless he works on it.. Working on it is changing form and if you have ever done that, it is like relearning to shoot..

IDK man.. Bibby was getting close to 7 assist when he was there..

From every report I hear and see, Knight is addicted to the weight room.. He is cut to the bone and might be one of the stronger guards in this draft…

Salmons didnt have a stroke when he was playing for Sac and it didnt really happen for him until he was at Chicago.. Also, Salmons gets close to 4 or 5 assist a game.. Thats not bad…

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Oh, I was talking to BK Knicksfan about the Derrick Williams part.

I see what you’re saying with Salmons and I see the comparison.

I don’t see the Knight comparison still.  Knight may be cut to the bone, but he isn’t as thick as Eric Gordon though.  One is raw strength while the other is being cut.  Kind of like Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.  RayRay is more cut (or cutter, idk) but Paul Pierce is still stronger.  But I understand what you tried to point out with that comparison.  This is simply my opinion.

Yeah, I can see the Bibby comparison.  Although in my own opinion, I don’t belive it’s spot on, I can see where you’re coming from.

[thparadoxParticipant]

 

Brandon Knight – Agree with tongue out. The Eric Gordon comp doesn’t work because of strength. I like nbadraft.net’s comp of Terry

Kanter – Agree with Nashy. The Al Horford comp is better. Nene is more atheletic and has a defensive focus. Whereas Al Horford, similar to Kanter, has only decent athleticism, but a more fundamental game and great jumper.

Vesely – seems way too tall to be a josh howard type. More of a poor man’s KG… skinny, great athleticism, etc.

Other than that, you made some great comparisons.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I got ya.. And Im not trying to change your mind.. Just further emphasising my point. 

These are opinions and everyone has their own..

I do get what you are saying about Knight.. The same could be said about Shaq and Dwight.. One is just stronger because of build. Gotcha.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Yeah, or Shaq and Mutombo.  We can go on and on about this lmao.  Good comparisons though man

[ChrispyParticipant]

Please provide evidence when making assertions such as this.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

You are killin me man..

His wind up takes too long.  An NBA closeout is much faster than anyone he was going up against in college.. If he doenst raise his relese and make it quicker, he will never be able to get it off.. Have you ever seen him stop and pop a jumper?? No.. That proves he doesnt have much of one.. Even Kyle Korver could create in college.. WIlliams not being able to just shows that he doesnt have much one and needs to work on that..

I could be wrong and you can disagree.. Its fine with me.

[butidonthavemoney]

Mine are a bit more conventional.

Kyrie Irving – Chris Paul/Mike Conley Jr.
Enes Kanter – Al Horford/Andrew Bogut
Derrick Williams – Antawn Jamison/More Efficient Michael Beasley
Brandon Knight – Chauncey Billups/Jrue Holiday
Jonas Valanciunas – Eddie Davis/Primoz Berzec
Jan Vesely – Jonas Jerebko/Tayshaun Prince
Kemba Walker – Jonny Flynn/Kyle Lowry
Jimmer Fredette – Gilbert Arenas/Eddie House
Kawhi Leonard – Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace
Donatas Motiejunas – Ersan Ilyasova/Andrea Bargnani
Bismack Biyombo – Larry Sanders/Joel Anthony

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I like the Shawn Marion comparison for Leonard… Very very close.. 6’7 but more of a SF/PF than a SG/SF.

[ChrispyParticipant]

Marion for Leonard sounds good. One thing is for sure- Leonard’s shot won’t be as fun to imitate!

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

LoL.. Very very true.. I love to try to shoot foul shots like Marion..

[scoutguruParticipant]

 Don’t like the Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight one. Brandon is not as explosive, and can’t finish around the rim as good as Gordon. Gordon will go up and bang it on you, as he’s shown plenty of times. I’ll still hold my Knight, Jason Terry comparison. Scoring guards who are primarily jump shooters, who’ll just have a knack for gettin his jumper off. I think Knight will have difficulty finishing at the rim in the NBA. He doesn’t have much lift and is still young, but doesn’t have the body to absorb contact. And the couple of times he did finish at the rim in college, it was with more of filp kinda layups, where he gets the ball there quick, as oppose to explosive finishes. And just like Terry, he’ll probably begin his career being put as a PG, just like Terry, then a coach will realize he’s best used as just a guard in general.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Good call.. I see the Terry thing but I think he can do more offensivly than Terry.. Latey, Terry is just a 3pt shooter.. Knight can do it all as far as jumpers go.. I think he is okay around the rim but the NBA is a different beast..

 

Gotta agree with the Terry comp..

[Tobe BryantParticipant]

Kyrie Irving – Mike Conley – Comparing this guy to Chris Paul is a LONG stretch! He is nowhere as near creative with the ball at this point as Paul, and doesn’t possess the scoring knack and quickness like Paul.

Brandon Knight – Jason Terry/Larry Hughes – Primarily a jump shooter who is stuck in between positions. Can do some nice work from either slot though.

Kemba Walker – Allen Iverson/Dajaun Wagner – One of those 6 foot PGs without pureness, but possesses the heart and will of a 10 foot giant. I like him to have the MOST productive career out of most of these prospects simply because of the way he can score the ball.

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