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David Thorpe's draft

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It's for insiders..Can someone post it? Would be fun to see his opinion.


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It's really long and just top 10

The lottery and Chicago combine are behind us, and Chad Ford has already produced two mock drafts. Chad's work deals with figuring out what teams are going to do, but I'm more interested in what they should do. With that in mind, let's look at the lottery from two perspectives -- need and value.

No. 1 Washington Wizards
Need: The Wiz need help everywhere. Their best player is Gilbert Arenas, but he'll be on the trading block every day for the rest of his contract, so there's no worry about his meshing with whomever Washington takes. And that person pretty simply has to be the best player from this class over the next five-plus years, not the best guy today. That kind of superstar should help create a new identity and sell tickets. In essence, with this pick, need equals value.

Value: The best prospect in this class, when character, maturity and talent are all mixed in, is clearly John Wall. If DeMarcus Cousins had Wall's head and polish, he'd be in the mix here. But Cousins showed up fat in Chicago, clinching the deal for Wall. The fact that Wall seems ready to take on the burdens of being a superstar, loves to pass and is a competitive jet -- meaning he'll be fun to play with -- is an added bonus.

No. 2 Philadelphia 76ers

Need: The Sixers were in the bottom third of the NBA in almost every team statistic. They are a poor shooting, poor defending, poor rebounding and poor passing team. That said, they have to love Jrue Holiday as a building block at a vital position -- point guard. The rest of the roster is muddled. Andre Iguodala is the best player, but just an average shooter; Elton Brand isn't living up to his contract; and Thaddeus Young is trapped between the two forward positions. Based on need, the Sixers should grab Cousins, Derrick Favors or Evan Turner, in that order.

Value: The Cousins/Turner/Favors decision here is one of the more interesting stories of the draft. Turner is the most NBA-ready player in the class, and his versatility would help him fit on this team (and pretty much every other). But there is a fair concern that he's too similar to Iggy as an all-around talent but not a shooting threat. That said, a trio of Iguodala, Holiday and Turner would excel defensively and could lead a fast team (especially with Young and Marreese Speights up front). There's actually a stronger argument for Favors. He's just 18, and in time, experts think he could end up being the second-best player in this class. Turner might help Philly win more games immediately, but a Sixers team featuring Holiday and Favors will almost assuredly end up with a top-five pick against next season. Much in the way Oklahoma City built its roster with additional lottery picks, I like the way the point guard/post combo sets up Philly's future by grabbing Favors here. Cousins, though, is the top value pick, as the best available player with the brightest upside, if he can be mentored.

No. 3 New Jersey Nets
Need: The Nets couldn't have been more dysfunctional last season, which masks a surprising fact: This team has talent. Brook Lopez has potential franchise talent at the 5, Terrence Williams will be a strong rotation player and Courtney Lee is a proven starter as a fourth/fifth option. Devin Harris should rebound from a poor season and even Yi Jianlian showed signs of life. Granted, this team still could use talent anywhere, but whomever the Nets get at No. 3 can't expect to start right away. Based on need, I'd suggest that Favors is the slight favorite.

Value: Either Turner or Favors will be here. Chad has the Nets grabbing Favors, and he'll have every opportunity to start alongside Lopez, which would really help the Nets' interior D and form a nice rotation with Yi in the mix. That said, I like Turner here better because he'll be ready to play right away, which is an added bonus because the Nets will be chasing free agents in July. Plus, his playmaking skills are a good fit next to Harris, who prefers to score. With Turner, and almost any solid free agent, the Nets should be the league's most improved team.

No. 4 Minnesota Timberwolves
Need: The Wolves have three main holes to fill: They need an organizing force at point guard, a wing scorer and some help in the paint defensively. Ricky Rubio is their point guard of the future, unless he is moved for someone similar (and then Jonny Flynn becomes a serious Sixth Man Award candidate). Corey Brewer improved dramatically in his third season, but will never be a big-time scorer (especially when he's playing at the 2). And Darko Milicic showed flashes of starter talent after he arrived, but he's a long way from a sure thing. The Wolves would love Turner, who's a perfect match for Brewer, but they would settle for Wesley Johnson.

Value: Chad is going with Johnson currently, but I don't love his upside or his long-term prospects here. This is where the Chicago camp hurts Cousins. If he had shown up in great shape and with added polish, he'd be a lock for this spot, even if it's not a great fit. But he didn't, and now it's a scramble. Johnson would help the Wolves, but they'd still need a high-scoring wing. If they acquire one, Brewer and Johnson would battle it out at the 3, and Brewer has three years of experience and a better defensive future. Johnson would be an excellent backup, but that's a high price to pay for the No. 4 pick. Al-Farouq Aminu gets into the equation, as his ability to score around the basket gets utilized well in the triangle. His upside suggests more value here, so he'll have his chances at this spot.

No. 5 Sacramento Kings
Need: At season's end, the Kings' two best players were in their backcourt. They have two lottery guys in their frontcourt, and two late first-round picks at the small forward spot. It's fair to say they could use help at any of those three spots, but more likely their most pressing need is a front-line scorer who can help shore up a very bad defensive team. Neither Spencer Hawes nor Jason Thompson has evolved into anything more than a rotation big, at best. Without a doubt, Cousins is the perfect fit here. He's what they need on offense and the boards.

Value: Getting Cousins at No. 5, as Chad currently predicts, looks like it's a can't-miss proposition for the Kings. He's probably the second-best prospect in this draft, even with his immaturity issues and his overweight frame. Coach Paul Westphal is a friendly guy who has the ability to reach a player like Cousins. The Kings are well aware of the red flags surrounding Cousins, and might look at Aminu to shore up their small forward spot. Neither Omri Casspi nor Donte Greene has earned a guaranteed starting spot there going forward, and Aminu would give them a scorer, an athlete, and more importantly, a rebounder and a defender. Both guys have the upside to make them value picks at this spot, but Cousins gets a big edge in that department. It's possible that he could be a Day 1 starter and be the second consecutive ROY in Sacramento.

A little while back, we evaluated the first five picks of the draft from a need versus value perspective, but as we get deeper into the lottery, things can get really muddled. Most people now agree on the top five players in this draft, but picking the next 10 involves a range of 15 to 20 players from which to choose. That's what the upcoming individual workouts will help define. The season spelled out the team needs, and the workouts (and lots of tape watching and interviews) will help decide the value. As we head into June, here's what the teams picking sixth through 10th are dealing with.

No. 6 Golden State Warriors
Need: The Warriors simply do not have a post scorer. I love Anthony Randolph as a talent and a guy who makes plays without scoring, but he'll never be a paint scorer. And no matter what they end up doing with Monta Ellis, for Stephen Curry to reach his full potential, he will need a guy who can get buckets inside. The same can be said for the team as a whole. The Warriors fly up and down the floor, but until they get more efficient players (who also rebound), they will look great but never accomplish anything special.

Value: Chad Ford's Mock Draft 3.0 has DeMarcus Cousins going in this spot. I can see it now: Hours of sprinting up and down the floor is surely going to help Cousins get into great shape. Honestly, it's perhaps the easiest thing for an NBA team to do with rookies, who are coming from a very different culture in college. He'd have both the money to hire a personal chef and a team very invested in making sure he goes from large to medium, relatively speaking. I can't imagine Cousins dropping past this point. The Warriors would be getting a guy with "top pick overall" talent at the No. 6 spot. If he's gone, expect the Warriors to grab whichever of the other guys we've discussed before at this spot, most likely Al-Farouq Aminu.

No. 7 Detroit Pistons
Need: I don't think the Pistons are set anywhere except for 2-guard. They're certainly not set at the point, where Rodney Stuckey had the worst assist rate/true shooting percentage combination of all starting point guards. And while the Pistons like both Austin Daye and Jonas Jerebko, if they could upgrade their talent at those spots, they would. So, really, any player at the other four spots would work. This is a team without an identity, which means finding a player with a "presence" makes sense. A center is the Pistons' biggest need, though, and that's why Cole Aldrich, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Ekpe Udoh and even Solomon Alabi are in the mix here.

Value: There are some guards who probably will end up as better players than the assortment of bigs who will be available at this pick, but this is a case in which Detroit will get an equal lift from a lesser talent who will get more chances at earning playing time. Any of those centers probably will get into their playing rotation by January and could end up as a starter. I have questions about each of these guys, but Udoh and Monroe both have enough in them to become solid NBA players. If they were sure things, they'd be leading candidates for picks 3 through 6. Ford has Detroit taking Davis, who probably has the biggest upside and downside of the group. Udoh is the safer pick.

No. 8 Los Angeles Clippers
Need: The Clippers currently have one incredibly talented rookie in this class, Blake Griffin. With Marcus Camby gone and Chris Kaman in the fold, I'd think the biggest need for them is on the perimeter, especially on the wings. Eric Gordon is a player but not necessarily a starter. And their 3 spot is a source of pain. Finding a wing who can shoot and someone who can defend with strength should top their wish list. That leads us to Gordon Hayward, Luke Babbitt and possibly Xavier Henry.

Value: In terms of value, Hayward probably makes the most sense, which is why Ford has him going here. He's going to be able to play both wing spots on both ends, and he brings a "nastiness" that goes along perfectly with Griffin's demeanor. Henry is intriguing, though, as his shooting currently projects to be NBA-level from the get-go, and Griffin and Kaman need shooters around them.

No. 9 Utah Jazz
Need: What does a top-caliber team like the Jazz need? Depth, depth and depth. Their front line dealt with injuries all season, plus they might lose Carlos Boozer to free agency. Adding a center to back up aging sharpshooter Mehmet Okur seems to make sense, but they have talented young bigs in Kyrylo Fesenko (23 years old) and Kosta Koufos (21). So power forward is the bigger need, or a sharpshooting wing to work with undrafted starter Wesley Matthews. All the bigs we've mentioned (excluding Alabi), plus Hayward, are in play here. I think Henry and Babbitt are, too.

Value: The Jazz are well known as a team that prefers to bring its rookies along slowly, and rightfully so, as Utah typically is in playoff contention or better. So this pick is more about tomorrow than today. Because of that, Avery Bradley might end up being the guy here. He has terrific upside and could play next to Deron Williams on both ends of the floor. In five years, he could be better than most of the players taken ahead of him. Ford picks Monroe, who does have excellent passing skills that will fit in perfectly in Utah's offensive system. But can he handle Jerry Sloan's tough love? One last guy I love here is Patrick Patterson, if the Jazz look for a "ready to help us win a title now" guy. He'd play Paul Millsap's old role well as Millsap moves into the starting lineup for Boozer.

No. 10 Indiana Pacers
Need: Indiana was a solid defensive team, believe it or not, for much of the season. But the Pacers were in the bottom five on offense. And they got killed in their backcourt and at the center position. That gives a big edge to the better offensive centers in the draft, like Monroe and Aldrich. The Pacers have to upgrade their scoring punch, so looking at Hayward as a shooting guard makes some sense, and Patterson would be able to help right away. Bradley's offense should be solid if not better in a year or two, and his defensive mindset matches the coach's there.

Value: Monroe has value but might be too much like Roy Hibbert. That's why I see Aldrich as a solid guy here and possibly Davis as a longer-term project. All three are safe picks. This team needs an identity, though, and the quickest way for that to hapen is to get a jet as a point guard. So Bradley will have his chances to get into this spot as well.

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It's really long and just top 10

The lottery and Chicago combine are behind us, and Chad Ford has already produced two mock drafts. Chad's work deals with figuring out what teams are going to do, but I'm more interested in what they should do. With that in mind, let's look at the lottery from two perspectives -- need and value.

No. 1 Washington Wizards
Need: The Wiz need help everywhere. Their best player is Gilbert Arenas, but he'll be on the trading block every day for the rest of his contract, so there's no worry about his meshing with whomever Washington takes. And that person pretty simply has to be the best player from this class over the next five-plus years, not the best guy today. That kind of superstar should help create a new identity and sell tickets. In essence, with this pick, need equals value.

Value: The best prospect in this class, when character, maturity and talent are all mixed in, is clearly John Wall. If DeMarcus Cousins had Wall's head and polish, he'd be in the mix here. But Cousins showed up fat in Chicago, clinching the deal for Wall. The fact that Wall seems ready to take on the burdens of being a superstar, loves to pass and is a competitive jet -- meaning he'll be fun to play with -- is an added bonus.

No. 2 Philadelphia 76ers

Need: The Sixers were in the bottom third of the NBA in almost every team statistic. They are a poor shooting, poor defending, poor rebounding and poor passing team. That said, they have to love Jrue Holiday as a building block at a vital position -- point guard. The rest of the roster is muddled. Andre Iguodala is the best player, but just an average shooter; Elton Brand isn't living up to his contract; and Thaddeus Young is trapped between the two forward positions. Based on need, the Sixers should grab Cousins, Derrick Favors or Evan Turner, in that order.

Value: The Cousins/Turner/Favors decision here is one of the more interesting stories of the draft. Turner is the most NBA-ready player in the class, and his versatility would help him fit on this team (and pretty much every other). But there is a fair concern that he's too similar to Iggy as an all-around talent but not a shooting threat. That said, a trio of Iguodala, Holiday and Turner would excel defensively and could lead a fast team (especially with Young and Marreese Speights up front). There's actually a stronger argument for Favors. He's just 18, and in time, experts think he could end up being the second-best player in this class. Turner might help Philly win more games immediately, but a Sixers team featuring Holiday and Favors will almost assuredly end up with a top-five pick against next season. Much in the way Oklahoma City built its roster with additional lottery picks, I like the way the point guard/post combo sets up Philly's future by grabbing Favors here. Cousins, though, is the top value pick, as the best available player with the brightest upside, if he can be mentored.

No. 3 New Jersey Nets
Need: The Nets couldn't have been more dysfunctional last season, which masks a surprising fact: This team has talent. Brook Lopez has potential franchise talent at the 5, Terrence Williams will be a strong rotation player and Courtney Lee is a proven starter as a fourth/fifth option. Devin Harris should rebound from a poor season and even Yi Jianlian showed signs of life. Granted, this team still could use talent anywhere, but whomever the Nets get at No. 3 can't expect to start right away. Based on need, I'd suggest that Favors is the slight favorite.

Value: Either Turner or Favors will be here. Chad has the Nets grabbing Favors, and he'll have every opportunity to start alongside Lopez, which would really help the Nets' interior D and form a nice rotation with Yi in the mix. That said, I like Turner here better because he'll be ready to play right away, which is an added bonus because the Nets will be chasing free agents in July. Plus, his playmaking skills are a good fit next to Harris, who prefers to score. With Turner, and almost any solid free agent, the Nets should be the league's most improved team.

No. 4 Minnesota Timberwolves
Need: The Wolves have three main holes to fill: They need an organizing force at point guard, a wing scorer and some help in the paint defensively. Ricky Rubio is their point guard of the future, unless he is moved for someone similar (and then Jonny Flynn becomes a serious Sixth Man Award candidate). Corey Brewer improved dramatically in his third season, but will never be a big-time scorer (especially when he's playing at the 2). And Darko Milicic showed flashes of starter talent after he arrived, but he's a long way from a sure thing. The Wolves would love Turner, who's a perfect match for Brewer, but they would settle for Wesley Johnson.

Value: Chad is going with Johnson currently, but I don't love his upside or his long-term prospects here. This is where the Chicago camp hurts Cousins. If he had shown up in great shape and with added polish, he'd be a lock for this spot, even if it's not a great fit. But he didn't, and now it's a scramble. Johnson would help the Wolves, but they'd still need a high-scoring wing. If they acquire one, Brewer and Johnson would battle it out at the 3, and Brewer has three years of experience and a better defensive future. Johnson would be an excellent backup, but that's a high price to pay for the No. 4 pick. Al-Farouq Aminu gets into the equation, as his ability to score around the basket gets utilized well in the triangle. His upside suggests more value here, so he'll have his chances at this spot.

No. 5 Sacramento Kings
Need: At season's end, the Kings' two best players were in their backcourt. They have two lottery guys in their frontcourt, and two late first-round picks at the small forward spot. It's fair to say they could use help at any of those three spots, but more likely their most pressing need is a front-line scorer who can help shore up a very bad defensive team. Neither Spencer Hawes nor Jason Thompson has evolved into anything more than a rotation big, at best. Without a doubt, Cousins is the perfect fit here. He's what they need on offense and the boards.

Value: Getting Cousins at No. 5, as Chad currently predicts, looks like it's a can't-miss proposition for the Kings. He's probably the second-best prospect in this draft, even with his immaturity issues and his overweight frame. Coach Paul Westphal is a friendly guy who has the ability to reach a player like Cousins. The Kings are well aware of the red flags surrounding Cousins, and might look at Aminu to shore up their small forward spot. Neither Omri Casspi nor Donte Greene has earned a guaranteed starting spot there going forward, and Aminu would give them a scorer, an athlete, and more importantly, a rebounder and a defender. Both guys have the upside to make them value picks at this spot, but Cousins gets a big edge in that department. It's possible that he could be a Day 1 starter and be the second consecutive ROY in Sacramento.

A little while back, we evaluated the first five picks of the draft from a need versus value perspective, but as we get deeper into the lottery, things can get really muddled. Most people now agree on the top five players in this draft, but picking the next 10 involves a range of 15 to 20 players from which to choose. That's what the upcoming individual workouts will help define. The season spelled out the team needs, and the workouts (and lots of tape watching and interviews) will help decide the value. As we head into June, here's what the teams picking sixth through 10th are dealing with.

No. 6 Golden State Warriors
Need: The Warriors simply do not have a post scorer. I love Anthony Randolph as a talent and a guy who makes plays without scoring, but he'll never be a paint scorer. And no matter what they end up doing with Monta Ellis, for Stephen Curry to reach his full potential, he will need a guy who can get buckets inside. The same can be said for the team as a whole. The Warriors fly up and down the floor, but until they get more efficient players (who also rebound), they will look great but never accomplish anything special.

Value: Chad Ford's Mock Draft 3.0 has DeMarcus Cousins going in this spot. I can see it now: Hours of sprinting up and down the floor is surely going to help Cousins get into great shape. Honestly, it's perhaps the easiest thing for an NBA team to do with rookies, who are coming from a very different culture in college. He'd have both the money to hire a personal chef and a team very invested in making sure he goes from large to medium, relatively speaking. I can't imagine Cousins dropping past this point. The Warriors would be getting a guy with "top pick overall" talent at the No. 6 spot. If he's gone, expect the Warriors to grab whichever of the other guys we've discussed before at this spot, most likely Al-Farouq Aminu.

No. 7 Detroit Pistons
Need: I don't think the Pistons are set anywhere except for 2-guard. They're certainly not set at the point, where Rodney Stuckey had the worst assist rate/true shooting percentage combination of all starting point guards. And while the Pistons like both Austin Daye and Jonas Jerebko, if they could upgrade their talent at those spots, they would. So, really, any player at the other four spots would work. This is a team without an identity, which means finding a player with a "presence" makes sense. A center is the Pistons' biggest need, though, and that's why Cole Aldrich, Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Ekpe Udoh and even Solomon Alabi are in the mix here.

Value: There are some guards who probably will end up as better players than the assortment of bigs who will be available at this pick, but this is a case in which Detroit will get an equal lift from a lesser talent who will get more chances at earning playing time. Any of those centers probably will get into their playing rotation by January and could end up as a starter. I have questions about each of these guys, but Udoh and Monroe both have enough in them to become solid NBA players. If they were sure things, they'd be leading candidates for picks 3 through 6. Ford has Detroit taking Davis, who probably has the biggest upside and downside of the group. Udoh is the safer pick.

No. 8 Los Angeles Clippers
Need: The Clippers currently have one incredibly talented rookie in this class, Blake Griffin. With Marcus Camby gone and Chris Kaman in the fold, I'd think the biggest need for them is on the perimeter, especially on the wings. Eric Gordon is a player but not necessarily a starter. And their 3 spot is a source of pain. Finding a wing who can shoot and someone who can defend with strength should top their wish list. That leads us to Gordon Hayward, Luke Babbitt and possibly Xavier Henry.

Value: In terms of value, Hayward probably makes the most sense, which is why Ford has him going here. He's going to be able to play both wing spots on both ends, and he brings a "nastiness" that goes along perfectly with Griffin's demeanor. Henry is intriguing, though, as his shooting currently projects to be NBA-level from the get-go, and Griffin and Kaman need shooters around them.

No. 9 Utah Jazz
Need: What does a top-caliber team like the Jazz need? Depth, depth and depth. Their front line dealt with injuries all season, plus they might lose Carlos Boozer to free agency. Adding a center to back up aging sharpshooter Mehmet Okur seems to make sense, but they have talented young bigs in Kyrylo Fesenko (23 years old) and Kosta Koufos (21). So power forward is the bigger need, or a sharpshooting wing to work with undrafted starter Wesley Matthews. All the bigs we've mentioned (excluding Alabi), plus Hayward, are in play here. I think Henry and Babbitt are, too.

Value: The Jazz are well known as a team that prefers to bring its rookies along slowly, and rightfully so, as Utah typically is in playoff contention or better. So this pick is more about tomorrow than today. Because of that, Avery Bradley might end up being the guy here. He has terrific upside and could play next to Deron Williams on both ends of the floor. In five years, he could be better than most of the players taken ahead of him. Ford picks Monroe, who does have excellent passing skills that will fit in perfectly in Utah's offensive system. But can he handle Jerry Sloan's tough love? One last guy I love here is Patrick Patterson, if the Jazz look for a "ready to help us win a title now" guy. He'd play Paul Millsap's old role well as Millsap moves into the starting lineup for Boozer.

No. 10 Indiana Pacers
Need: Indiana was a solid defensive team, believe it or not, for much of the season. But the Pacers were in the bottom five on offense. And they got killed in their backcourt and at the center position. That gives a big edge to the better offensive centers in the draft, like Monroe and Aldrich. The Pacers have to upgrade their scoring punch, so looking at Hayward as a shooting guard makes some sense, and Patterson would be able to help right away. Bradley's offense should be solid if not better in a year or two, and his defensive mindset matches the coach's there.

Value: Monroe has value but might be too much like Roy Hibbert. That's why I see Aldrich as a solid guy here and possibly Davis as a longer-term project. All three are safe picks. This team needs an identity, though, and the quickest way for that to hapen is to get a jet as a point guard. So Bradley will have his chances to get into this spot as well.

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either or

this draft will either prove either chad ford or the minnesnowta front office completely incompatent.....two things which have been on a short leash in the first place.....

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thanks alot

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"Eric Gordon is a player but

"Eric Gordon is a player but not necessarily a starter."

Thorpe is an idiot.

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