There are trade rumors flying all over about Walsh trying to cut costs by working out a sign and trade of David Lee. My guess is that he will try to get an expiring contract and a pick in the 2010 draft. I have mixed feelings about this because we'd be losing a major piece of our team but we can get a great player in next years draft. Any teams that may be tempted in this deal are probably contenders looking to add PF depth and energy. That means that the pick we could receive will most likely not be in the lottery. Portland has been after Lee and could be a likly suitor. Heres some trade proposals assuming Lee signs in the 6-8 million range.
Portland gets- David Lee
New York gets- Steve Blake(expiring contract), Martel Webster, 2010 first rounder(18-24 range)
Dallas gets- David Lee
New York gets- Jerry Stackhouse(expiring contract), 2010 first rounder(16-23 range)
Houston gets- David Lee, Larry Hughes(expiring contract)
New York gets- Tracy Mcgrady(expiring contract), 2010 first rounder(18-24 range) and possibly Kyle Lowry
OKC gets- David Lee
New York gets- Earl Watson(expiring contract), 2010 first rounder(6-16 range), possibly another cheap player
San Antonio gets- David Lee
New York gets- Matt Bonner(expiring contract), Kurt Thomas(expiring contract), 2010 first rounder(17-23 range)
These seem like very possible trade scenerios. Tell me if I'm crazy or if not, which do you see likely?
Houston would not make that trade.
I could see the Spurs, Thunder, Mavs, & Blazers all willing to do that trade.
If I were the Knicks I would make the trade with Portland.
Other than the Houston deal, all the other trades understate Lee's value, unless its really nothing more than a salary dump for 2010. Not sure if the Knicks really just want to have money and no talent left prior to the free agent run. Presuming they would dump the 2009-10 season in preparation for the free agent run, they might as well go for the highest possible draft pick they can get for him. All the other players are junk.
Why wouldnt Houston make that trade? I think they're making out the best of any of the other teams. They play well without T-Mac and he'll probably get hurt again. Hughes is another solid defender and Lee gives them depth at a big.
The all sound reasonable to me. David Lee brings hustle, that every contender needs in the playoffs.
I really hope they do not trade David Lee... that would be a waste. The Knicks would be losing value on almost every trade. Lee is the future and not wasted goods.
The Houston trade seems legit, but there is no way they would get Tracy McGrady.
I dont want them to trade him either but if its going to happen I prefer Portland for the bonus of Webster or OKC for a higher pick. Its not likely but maybe a bad team will want Lee and we can get into the John Wall sweepstakes. We could get a player in next years draft with more potential than Lee. Its just a gamble.
I have heard the Knicks are hoping to sign and trade David Lee, but I think all of those trades are crazy and unrealistic. The Blazers are not at all looking to trade Steve Blake, and I have not heard about them giving up Martell either. If anything, it would be Sergio and Outlaw, which would be much easier for Portland fans to stomach. But, in the end, while I know their were rumors about the Blazers interest in Lee, I do not think they sign an 8 million dollar back-up for LaMarcus. He would be a great back-up, but it is an economic issue. The Rockets would be crazy to do that, the Knicks would be ridiculous in every other scenario. I have heard the Pistons have interest in David Lee, but as usual, have not heard for whom.
Look a healthy McGrady is more valuable than David Lee. Not to mention Houston throws in a 1st round pick in 2010. I just don't think the Rockets become a better team by making that deal.
Houston is pretty set at PF with Scola, Landry, and Hayes.
Gator, The rockets are now a better team without Tracy Mcgrady. I think most of us have lost all faith in this guy.
The Rockets trade is in their favor. Blake will be a free agent and I doubt they plan to re-sign him. Portland has entertained the idea of trading Webster with the emergence of Batum. How are the other scenerios rediculous? They would only be signing him so they could profit something instead of just letting him leave. Getting back into the 2010 draft would be a nice pickup.
I would absolutely love to have Lee in OKC.
To Knicks - Ben Gordon
To Bulls - David Lee
Mcgrady cant stay healthy. He hasnt played a full season his entire career. Houston has been successful without him and I think most of us agree that they probably dont plan to re-sign him.
Is this Houston trade an actual rumor or did you just think of this knicksfreak?
That would be absurd if Houston is willing to give away McGrady for Lee. Even Larry Hughes is injury plagued. Plus put in a 1st round pick, that's crazy.
I hope Lee stays in NY.
I have a feeling McGrady is about to have a huge year. No way are the Rockets better without him.
OK who would you rather have? McGrady, 2010 1st round pick, Kyle Lowry or David Lee & Larry Hughes. Personally I would much rather have McGrady, a mid first round pick in a loaded draft, and kyle lowry a very young PG.
I heard speculation about a Lee sign and trade and made up some possibilities. I was looking at the trade from a standpoint that both Mcgrady and Hughes would be let go in 2010 so pretty much a Lee for pick trade. It seems to me that the Rockets play fine without him. Even more efficiently.
I understand your point of view. The Rockets do fine without McGrady but they can only win a championship with him. You are right though about Hughes & McGrady both being let go in 2010.
I wanted to go out on a limb for one of the trades. I agree with you anthonymorris that Lee would fit great in OKC. He could fill out their starting lineup with either Thabeet or Hill. I dont see Green as a PF. Very solid OKC lineup:
not many weaknesses
david lee is restricted fa so the knicks control the situation to a point.the want to clear cap room first and get good players second...(obviously)they have no real need for lee in the d'antoni system where his pf have been most successful being outside threats that can help running the break as supreme athletes or distributors(Matrix,Amare,Diaw ect.)His best players always play out of posistion both to and against their own advantage, Nash being the exception.The player always leaves or wants to leave due to it(Marion,Amare?,Diaw,Barbosa?, and now Lee and Robinson and Chandler soon after rookie deal is finished) and they usually dont ever have has much success for some reason.(Check out Marion's stats last year)D'Antoni is a good coach when he has a great pg and top ten athletes creating mis matches across the board.if they look for the Nash of the future and possibly draft or trade for that amare type at the pf/c spot where mike likes his star to play.He could dump the Phoenix philosophy and play euro ball by drafting Rubio,trading for Bellinelli and Barnagni and signing Dirk in 2010...(Sorry no Lebron he's going to sign with the Brooklyn Nets for some strange reason..o yeah Jay Z,7 to 10 years at 25 million per and part ownership of a franchise that will be trying to steal the thunder from their big city rival Knicks )D'Antoni strives runnin that wide open olympic style ball so that means no Lee, No Robinson and No Steph Curry( he's at best a Barbosa type, for that just trade for the blur and call it a day)
I think all these trades undersell Lee.
Lee was the 3rd leading rebounder in the NBA. He led the league in double doubles, and his PER is about 30th in the whole league. For those who think that's a result of D'Antoni's system, you're wrong: he had the same numbers (or even better) the previous 2 years with other coaches. His only weakness is defense, but he's not the worst there either, and unlike some players he's quick and strong enough that he can improve there.
Last year he was almost traded straight up for the 5th pick in a super strong draft (OJ Mayo).
He's not going to get traded for a late first round pick and some scrubs. And he will definitely sign for at least 8 million.
He is more valuable than a late first rounder but we cant get much more than a pick unless we take more contracts which we dont want to do. Next years draft is stacked and we can get a great player 10-20. Remember this is a sign and trade. We're just trying to skim something off the top rather than just to let him go IF its Donnie's plan to let Lee go to clear more cap. Professor, you are underrating Lee's athleticism greatly.
all deals look good for the knicks.
i would go with the blazers or if they really want to with houston.
the knicks have nothing to loose with T-Mac and if he is healthy they have a star for the next year who would help them a lot and maybe get some fans back for them. if he keeps being an injury phrone they simply let his contract expire next year and loose nothing.
for houston this makes sence because they have to get rid of T-Mac as soon as possible because they can´t afford keeping him. they have to get some new players around Yao to attack the top west teams (assumed he stays healthy)..
McGrady is a big risk for houston and big chance for the Knicks!
as knicks fan i hope they take the deal and draft jennings if avalible then they have a good team going into the next years....
be traded with N.Robinson to G State for Marco(Italian born 3 point shooter) and Beidrins(Young Euro Pf/C that Nelly hates and D'Antoni would love)Thats 2 needs. 3point shooting G and Athletic shot blocking center that would play well with a certain German named Dirk Diggler in 2010 or grow for much less if they trade for another Italian named Andreas thats dying to get out of Toronto...If the Knicks could swing those deals(hard but not impossible by any account,Check Espn trade machine, salaries and ect. they could see a starting five of Pg R.Rubio (Draft him this year by trading picks or players, hell he may even fall to the Knicks.) Sg M.Bellinelli
Pf A.Bargnani or D.Nowitski in 2010 or both
All they would lack are the Scola's and Barbosa's of the internation fa pool and they have an olympic ready nba team in NY city...Sucks caus Im a Sixers fan....
Biedrins isn't going anywhere...Warriors inked him to a large deal just last summer, and he is an integral part of their roster. Plus they'd have to sign some long term deal with Robinson for...another shooter. Robinson isn't a real point guard.
No way am I buying into Bargnani. I think Rubio is a real possibility for them. Donnie thinks we're still getting Lebron so no way will he take on Biedrins monster contract. Belinelli is way overrated because he plays well in summer league. No way we will re-sign Nate. Either we re-sign Lee to keep him or to trade him. No way we let him get away for free.
He just doesnt fit that Walsh/D'antoni mold and is to expensive to keep unfortunitly.Lee will be an All star type rebounder that can still develope an offensive low post mid range game. I see Lee as the Elton Brand of the future if gets that mid range game perfected. I just see some one G state who wanted to Elton Brand last summer going for a no brainer like Lee to the guy and letting the Knicks of the hook by giving them two nice players that fit their system and dont throw them out of the free agent sweepstakes of 2010.Lee signing for anything less then 10 mil a year is far more disrespectful to his game and potential than trading him for pieces that help u now and in the future....what the hell they can always let him walk which he will when he his offered the money he deserves and the playing time at his natrual posistion...
Hes a resticted free agent. We wont let him go for free. He actually fits our system well. He led the league in double-doubles in this system. Belinelli sucks and Biedrins is too expensive.
i like the thunder idea and that trade would be good for both teams. Thunder will get a frontcourt presense that they have been lacking in lee. The knicks will have two potential lotto picks in a loaded draft.
i like knicksfreak's idea,
thats a playoff team with a lottttt of potential
Yeah that would be a very big team. 7'2", 6'9", 6'9", 6'10", 6'4". Lee and Thabeet complement eachother in that both are good rebounders and Lee has become a very polished offensive player while Thabeet can focus on help D. Plus OKC wouldnt lose much, leaving their deep young bench intact.
that Houston trade is retarted...a hurt Tmac is better than Lee and Hughes combined, and you want them to throw in a 1st round pick, thats absurd!!!
then where is Lee gonna play, they already have 3 bigs who are very effective(Yao, Scola, Landry), there would be no playing time for him.
I think a trade to Memphis would work better...
MEM gets: Lee, Q-Rich, #8 pick
NY gets: Darko, #2 pick
NY can get their D'Antoni PG in Rubio, they don't have to overpay for David Lee, and they can still keep Nate Robinson, even though he is gonna demand an 8+ mil/yr contract, he fits perfect in their system and the fans/city loves him.
then in 2010 they can sign either Bosh or Amare, and either LeBron or Wade and have a contending team for years to come!!!
How is Mcgrady better when hes not playing? Houston was strong without him. And for the 100th time. You cant trade Lee until you re-sign him in July!!!!!
If the Knicks sign and trade him, he's only worth half his contract in a trade. The Knicks would take back his whole salary in a trade, but the other team would have to take back half his contract in another player as well.
Why is this subject in the NBA Draft forum?
We dont want to take any salary back.