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That's 1 person who has

That's 1 person who has actually watched him. First of all, it's the first 13 games, he's coming out on fire because of the fact that they wants to show people he isn't what they said he was.. give him another 20 games before he gets lazy again.

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You seem to be making a lot

You seem to be making a lot of unfounded predictions here. Not only are you SURE that he won't get better, but you also know for sure that he will actually get worse.

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Guys its obvious Vote4Darko

Guys its obvious Vote4Darko is from the future. He knows what he is talking about

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Exactly nbanflguy.

Exactly nbanflguy.

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Glad i could clear things up

Glad i could clear things up

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vote4dark

Give up.

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sorry to feed the troll,

sorry to feed the troll, but...

"Yeah, he's only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He's just another Antawn Jamison. A 19-7 guy for his career, and a 24-8 guy in his prime."

you do realize Jamison's been to multiple All Star games? that's pretty much the definition of All Star potential

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"you do realize Jamison's

"you do realize Jamison's been to multiple All Star games?"

2.

And if you were alive or old enough to remember, in 2005 he posted 19-7, which aren't exactly All-Star numbers. Chris Bosh was snubbed that year because he posted 19-9 and didn't make the All-Star team, Antoine Walker averaged 19-9 and also didn't make it, Chris Webber averaged 20-9 that season and also didn't make it.

In my book, Jamison made 1 all star game.

The Verdict.

Although Beasley is a good player, he's only looking better than he actually is because he is on a bad team. I'm sure everybody with common sense can agree with that.

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Look at it this way, he's not

Look at it this way, he's not saying Beasley is a bad player.. he is merely saying that he is being overrated at the moment. Mainly because he is on a bad team. Not saying Tyreke, Gordon, Curry, Ellis are overrated as well, but nobody is calling them All-Stars when they should probably get the nod over Beasley.

This is just like what happened to Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison, they looked very good on bad teams, and once they joined the Cavaliers (a championship level team), they crumbed under the pressure and people realized they weren't that good.

People were so quick to call him a bust and a liability this offseason, and now those same people are calling him an All-Star.

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The order

The order

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ESPN Article

13. MINNESOTA

Preseason Prediction: 19 wins (15th)
Revised Prediction: 25 wins

A fascinating DirecTV team lately because of Kevin Love's epic rebounding binge (although that 30-30 game was inadvertently a bad career move since there's no way the T-Wolves will deal him now), Michael Beasley's uber-rejuvenation (163 points in his past five games) and Darko Milicic's historically atrocious offensive start (first 11 games: 22.7 MPG, 28.8 percent FG, 50 percent FT, 1.91 TO, 5.0 PPG, although he did rally this week). Minnesota GM David Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn effectively traded Al Jefferson for Darko, Beasley and two non-lottery picks, so if Beasley redeems his career -- that's a defensible trade. Well, unless you're one of the other Western teams and you want to wring Kahn's neck for giving Jefferson to Utah.

As for Kahn, the 2009 draft fiasco speaks for itself: He whiffed on Stephen Curry twice and totally miscalculated the Ricky Rubio situation. He will never be able to justify giving Darko $20 million under the bizarre logic, "We need a passing center for the triangle," given that the triangle hasn't succeeded in the NBA without MJ or Kobe being involved … so a 15-win team severely overpaying a four-time castoff based on the logic "We need him for the triangle" would be like TBS badly overpaying a bandleader based on the logic, "We need him for Lopez!" And it still hasn't explained why the T-Wolves embarked on a multiyear rebuilding plan when they don't own their own first-round pick in 2012; at some point soon, they're going to have to suck it up and deal Rubio's rights for immediate help.

(Hold on, big "Having that said that" coming … )

Having said that …

Stealing Beasley for two second-round picks was a freaking heist. Maybe he couldn't handle South Beach. Maybe he couldn't adjust to playing off the ball with Dwyane Wade. Maybe his personal demons were worse than the girl's from "Drag Me to Hell." But watching him this month has been a revelation -- even if he's a defensive liability, there aren't 12 NBA players right now who can drop 30 points easier than him.

Couldn't someone have trumped two second-round picks? Why would Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo turn down Beasley in the Bosh/Heat sign-and-trade when Miami would have thrown him in for free? Where was Oklahoma City's Sam Presti, who could have easily trumped Minnesota's offer and added Beasley (one of Kevin Durant's best friends) as a much-needed bench scorer? And where the hell were the Clippers???? I know he played terribly last season, and I know about the off-court concerns, but if you watched him in college … I mean … how could the No. 2 pick of the 2008 draft be worthless two years later? That was such a steal that I'm suspending all "Kaaaaaaaaahn!" jokes indefinitely. Great, great trade. And shame on the rest of the league for falling asleep.

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It's not that Beasley wasn't

It's not that Beasley wasn't talented, it's just that nobody wanted to help the Heat, when will you guys get it?

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beasley has all star

beasley has all star potential easily. he is a bit like a tweener but i can see him getting 25ppg and 8rpg a game in his career multiple times. it may not lead to team success but should lead to multiple all star appearances.

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aka Antawn Jamison^^

aka Antawn Jamison^^

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Why does David Kahn care

Why does David Kahn care about helping the heat? They are in the East and its not like the wolves will be competing against them for championships anytime soon. He made HIS team better. Now the Timberwolves have some young talent to develop for years and the fans are genuinely excited and coming to games. And for what price? Two 2nd rounders.

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i agree with tounge out, kahn

i agree with tounge out, kahn is still a dumbass

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I will agree that Kahn has

I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn's team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?

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I actually think he mad some

I actually think he mad some good moves over the summer, I just think signing (yelling) DARKO!!!! was a waste of money and the webber comparison on nbatv was hilarious...

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I think he has made some good

I think he has made some good moves to. We are playing way improved from last year and lets not forget we have not had Flynn or Webster and lost Ridnour for a 5 game stretch. The money Darko got is just crazy, but he is no where close to as bad as people think. Will he ever put up stats that a #2 pick should? Almost certainly not, but he can still be a very solid big man and presence down low. He is blocking or disrupting a ton of shots, is a very good passer for a big man, and his offense and FG % are starting to come along as well.

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"I will agree that Kahn has

"I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn's team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?"

The Heat play in the same league and compete for the same title, different conference but same championship, so helping them certainly affects them greatly.

While Minnesota have not gotten off to the kind of blazing 4-9 start they have right now since that torrid 6-7 start in Garnett's final year, they are still in last place. I just hope they don't lose tonight to fall to 4-10. It has been all of two years since they were at that point. They had all that youth with Al Jefferson, Randy Foye, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Kevin Love, Craig Smith, and Corey Brewer. Jefferson was really emerging as a leader, and was averaging something like 22 points per game at that point of the year. They finished with 24 wins that year. We don't want to conjure up memories of hope gone bad.

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Were you trying to be

Were you trying to be funny?

And how can you say helping the heat affects them greatly? The trade made the timberwolves better. You think the wolves really care if the heat win 5 titles? The timberwolves are not contending for a title anytime soon you it doesnt matter if the heat are a superpower. You think at anytime in the near future it will be Heat vs Timberwolves in the NBA finals? No it will not be, so why do the timberwolves care if the heat do battle with the lakers in the nba finals? The bottom line is that Kahn did his job and did what was best for HIS team

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If the Timberwolves aren't

If the Timberwolves aren't competing for a title "anytime soon" and in part due to the presence of the Heat in no way closer to winning a title no as opposed to last year, then why should you care whether Minnesota wins 26 games as opposed to 20? Shouldn't a fan of what has been one of the worst run franchises over the past decade actually want to see them make real progress as opposed to this novelty progress of having guys put up fancy numbers?

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Real progress? Last year we

Real progress? Last year we started out 3-17 and were going for the worst record in NBA history. This year we start out 4-9 with 4 loses coming by a combinded 15 points. We have a winning record at home. And we are doing all this missing 2 starters and the backup PG had to miss 5 games. We have a Legit 20 point scorer who is only 21 years old, and a player leading the NBA in rebounding. That same player had the first 30-30 game in over 20 years. Next year we have an exciting prospect in rubio coming over and if he doesnt then we have a very good trade asset. We have tons of cap room to sign new players. We very well could be a low seeded playoff team in 2-3 years. I call that progress, but i am guessing you do not

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And you called the start of

And you called the start of 2008-09 what exactly? Same start, same youth, same legit 20 point scorer in Jefferson, and they were sitting on three first round picks for the next summer with the hope of being a low playoff seed in 2-3 years. Two years have gone by, some of the names have changed, but the story is the same.

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What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? We started out 2-10 that year.

Get your facts right. It is just obvious that you hate the wolves and refuse to give them any credit. When you end a post like you did a few days ago saying"They deserve every loss they ever get" its clear you are bias.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/min/year/2009/minnesota-timberwolves

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Minnesota was 4-10, which is

Minnesota was 4-10, which is exactly where they will be after the Lakers sleepwalk to victory tonight in epically lazy fashion.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2009_games.html

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BTPH, read my post in the

BTPH, read my post in the other Beasley topic.

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So what your saying is that

So what your saying is that we have no reason to be optimistic, this is the same as 2008-09 and we will lose our next 13 games and our star player will tear his ACL. This is not 2008-09. This is 2010-11. 2008-09 was a completely different roster and situation

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And that situation will be

And that situation will be differently how? The Northwest Division being worse? Nope. That will show itself down the road as they haven't played anyone in the division yet. The Western Conference being worse? Not when you consider the way in which injuries ravaged the good teams that year. FWIW, Minnesota is 2-4 so far with those two monster wins coming over the Clippers and Kings. It is a bad team, and the biggest advantage that they have is that everyone knows that they are bad so there are going to be nights where players aren't exactly up for them (see the Lakers game in LA).

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So your saying they can never

So your saying they can never be good? Since when is picking up a good player a bad thing?

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So we have made no progress

So we have made no progress and have no hope cuz we were bad in 2008?

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I did not say picking up Beasley was a bad thing. All I have said is that the deal was not a steal because Miami benefited more from the deal. It wasn't something for nothing. It isn’t a secret of what Miami was doing. They are vastly better for having dealt Beasley. They won. They will play for titles. The Miami Heat franchise will bear the financial fruit of assembling this team like the Bulls did in the 1990s. Minnesota played along and got a free scorer. Good for them. They also gave a free scorer to Utah, unless of course you want to differentiate between the ten slots between a Utah first round pick and a Minnesota second round pick. Oh, and who can forget Kosta Koufos. If only Miami had gotten the rights to John Bryant thrown in. Where does this leave Minnesota? The same spot. You can change the names, change the distribution of numbers, but it does not change the fact that they are a bad team. They don’t guard anyone, and they aren’t good enough offensively to not play defense. The Lakers can get away with not guarding anyone (and right now that is what they are doing), but Minnesota doesn’t have Kobe, Pau, and Odom. They aren’t shooting 47 percent as a team like Los Angeles, they are shooting 42 percent. Plus, the Lakers have a history that indicates that eventually they’ll get serious on the defensive end. When I am looking at a team that can guard anyone and does not score efficiently, I tend to believe they aren't very good at basketball and won't be until they address that issue.

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I agree with nearly all of

I agree with nearly all of that. But is debatable as to who benefitted more from that deal. They got Mike Miller with that money right? We won't know until he gets back but Beasley has helped. Everything else I agree with.

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Sort of. Miami's big three

Sort of. Miami's big three committed to Miami with no financial negotiations. That isn't exactly normal, and might not ever happen again. Those terms came out much later when they figured out how to get the five guy (big three plus UD and Miller) under the cap legally. They took less to play with one another, not to play with Beasley. It is impossible to know how the process would have changed if Riley would not have been able to make the move because it wasn't until after they moved him did Wade talk to LeBron and Bosh about taking less than the max to accomodate Udonis and Miller.

I do believe, however, we have enough evidence to know that Beasley's strengths are minimized and weaknesses maximized when he is a fourth or fifth option. Forget all the intangibles about him being away from South Beach and being out from under the pressure of being the #2 pick, he is better because he is in his comfortable position of having the ball and not being asked to focus on defense and rebounding.

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100% agree with all of that.

100% agree with all of that.

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They wasted picks. I mean

They wasted picks. I mean dude could have gotten better players that played a position he needed. The Beasley thing was Kahn being smart. He was offered Beasley for something and he took it. I mean i doubt a whole bunch of Gm's had the same opportunity and just said no. Zach Randolph had been trade like 3 times and he had a worse reputation and was more money. I am sure most people knew Beasley has a chance to be a great scorer and if not you let his rookie deal run out. I mean it was not a tough decision.

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The Heat

The Heat were so desperate in moving Beasley's contract that they'd take anything to offer on the table and it looked like their "best" offer was to Minnesota for a second rounder... That's like giving up a McDonald's french fries for a gum... I hated that lopsided deal but it is what it is... Kahn didn't won... He was just damn lucky to be able to have a Miami Heat team desperate to move on with LBJ, Wade and Bosh...

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