Micheal Beasley for a 2nd round pick? That's looking like a steal now.
Wes Johnson looking impressive
Has David Khan begin to flip this whole thing around? All of a sudden, he has a whole bunch of decent talent ( Love, Johnson, Beasley) and is close to doing something, I don't know what.
He's still stupid. He has 2 post players that aren't very good defenders.
Johnson is looking to be pretty good and Flynn has always seemed to be a pretty good PG for the future. But aside from that, what else does he have going for him?
2 soft bigs on defense, a PG, and a wing player..
Really? You are aware that the Heat wouldn't have LeBron, Wade, and Bosh without that trade. Miami is a team with standards so high that every loss causes a code red on ESPN and every website that covers the NBA. Their "slow start" of four losses is only bettered by six teams, and all six of those teams have higher payrolls. Minnesota is 4-9 and their fans want to throw a parade.
BTPH i agree with you lol
i read on si.com that keeping beasley wouldn't have had an effect on miami trio. they just replaced beasley for mike miller. so as of now at least miami heat is losing big time on the deal as mike miller is injured while beasley is out putting up 25, 30 points. but then he wouldn't be as good in miami and I think mike miller would complement miami trio better than beasley so i guess its pretty even.
and honestly i don't think david kahn is doing thaaatttttt bad as the vote for darko says but hes only been in charge for a couple of years and you can't expect a completely makeover of a team that was in such a turmoil as the twolves were in just couple of years. gotta say though the 2 staright picks spent on rubio and flynn look to be wastes as rubio doesn't seem like hes coming over anytime soon and flynn was clearly not the best option they had at the 6 spot as curry and jennings have proven to be better. o and don't forget about milicic. i don't think his contract, although it is bad, made kahn look really dumb but comparing milicic to vlade divac and chris webber was the thing that made him look retarded
and i think kevin love and michael beasley are pretty solid players to make a playoff team around. and i love that beasley is playing more of a SF which i think is his ideal position instead of a PF
Based on records the pacers,clippers,kings,sixer,wizards,rockets,mem,tor,nets all have sucky owners
Kevin Love - Great, as of now, looking better than Mayo.
Ricky Rubio - Jury still out.
Johnny Flynn - To me, has the makings of Great 6th Man.
Wes Johnson - Solid 3,
Corey Brewer - Great Bench Player
Michael Beasley - Legit 2nd Option.
Darko Milicic - Decent off the bench big.
Sebastian Telfair - Still relatively young, pretty good 2nd string, 3rd string PG
Honestly, their future does look pretty good..
It really depends on Ricky Rubio & getting another big man at the Center spot.
Maybe one more lotto pick & they get their guy?
How about Wesley Johnson and cash for Chris kahman or Wesley for Deandre Jordan? I wouldn't make the trade if I'm the clippers because I think aminu is there future three but I think wesly fits now because he's a pretty good shooter with range
Obviously Beasy is a steal and Wes is looking pretty good. He can do to do many things on the court not contribute but think of the team they could have right now if you look back at the last two drafts. Flynn does not fit that system and is not a starting pg. They should have had curry or jennings (most likely curry) but they screwed themselves taking rubio. Then get Cousins at 4 last year, not that Wes is a terrible pick but you cant compete with teams with Love and Darko down low. They woulda been building around MBeasy-Love-Cuz at 3-4-5 and Curry or Jennings at guard.
But get Rubio in the next 2 years and get Sullinger or Kanter this year and maybe they have a legit team..Why am I not a gm?...its so simple..
ShekiruBoom: Wade, LeBron, and Bosh were willing to take less money to make sure Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem could be there. They committed to Miami without financial terms being finalized, and there was a concerted effort on the part of those three to make sure that they would have those two with them. Michael Beasley wasn't going help Miami. Wade didn't call up LeBron and Bosh to get them to agree to take less money because of Michael Beasley. He did that for Udonis and Miller because he knew they needed help. Beasley needs the ball to be relevant. He doesn't do very much else all that well, so what good would he have been on the Heat? Wade, Riley, LeBron, Spo, and Bosh all knew that. This revisionist history is ridiculous. Beasley's "emergence" is because he has all the shots and touches he wants on a bad team. It does not take place in Miami. It was a nice move that Minnesota took advantage of the situation of their cap space to get a talented scorer, but they aren't going to compete for titles because of it. Miami is a lock to compete for the next five championships.
There not my favorite team nor do I think they are playoff team a year from now. The title mislead you and I aplogize
I just think the fact they have some nice pieces in Wes Johnson, Kevin Love, Micheal Beasley and Jonny Flynn ( last season put up 14-5 and should be better this season if healthy because the 3 I mention before)
I don't think they should trade away the 4th overall pick so easily, especially when he's been playing like he has. I think it would be better to wait til the offseason to sign Oden or make a trade for a defensive big
imo kahn could get very good value still out of rubio even though its pretty clear hell never play for them as good as wes is looking still been better off taking big demarcus that front court of cousin at c love at 4 and beaser at the 3 would be a very nice front line
BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!
I'm surprised so many people think their future looks good. A lot of these guys were high picks and the Twolves don't have one superstar in the making. Management is still horrible. Didn't Khan draft at least 3 point guards in the first round his first year? He passed over the best ones to draft a guy that might end up being a really good bench player, one that had told them he wouldn't play for them and refuses to come over, and the guy (Lawson) that would be starting right now he gave to Denver. Correct me if I am wrong, but Khan drafted and/or traded for like 6 small forwards last draft. The team hastoo many holes up and down the lineup to draft the same players. Kevin Love is going to try to bolt the first chance he gets. The guy wants to win. If your hopes rest on Beasley then you don't have much to look forward to. Everyone knows he can score. He did that before, it's just now he has the green light to shoot when he wants. I played with a guy that was very similiar to Beasley. He could torch you for 20 any night, while at the same time his man was usually good for 30 and he always got to guard the worst offensive perimeter player.
The trade was a steal though. Miami was basically trying to give him away because for whatever reason no one wanted Beasley. You would think the Cavs or Raptors would have wanted him in their sign and trades.
They don't need a superstar in the making right now. They have two allstars in the making. Both of which are only 21. Beasley scores at the same clip or better then just about everyone in his class and will only get better
Rubio won't play for them?based on what? Because u don't like the twolves? Because rubio,his agent, and the twolves have all said he's gonna play. On top of all that he won't be able to play for anyone else because they own his draft rights. Will the twolves be good this year or next year? Nope but they are moving in the right direction and in year three or four is when you will be able to see how good they could be. Some of y'all are so spoiled by the thunder that if a team isn't much better in year one then they should probably blow the team up. The same ones saying the clippers have a bright future even though they are worst then the twolves. These guys are young talented, with alot if free agent money and there two best players are 3 years from entering there prime
Also before making the comment about beasley scoring 20 and his man scoring 30 go check out and watch the twolves games and see how much his man scores on him. Check and see what he does compared to his season average cuz I have a strong feeling you're comment has zero proof to back it up. Prove me wrong
The average for the guts beasley guards is 14ppg by the way. That's plus 6 in favor of beasley. Doesn't quiet look like minus 10 huh
"BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!"
What is the definition of a steal? Something for nothing, right? Isn't the goal of an NBA team to ultimately try to win a championship? Okay, so Minnesota played a part in creating a Miami team that will be better than them for Michael Beasley's entire stay with the Timberwolves. Miami will win a championship due in part to the moves it made to clear the space necessary to assemble the team it did. Minnesota won't. So the title "David Kahn... won?" is wrong. The idea that it was a steal is wrong. It isn't being against the Timberwolves, it is about being for reason and sensible analysis.
Woohoo!!! The Timberwolves are 4-9! Wow, this guys are really on the up and up! I'm so happy for them...
Not to mention that they beat playoff teams such as the Clippers, Kings, and the Knicks by an average of...six.. count em, 6.. recount them.. 6 points per game!
Nevermind that teams like the Magic, Heat, Lakers, Rockets, and Hawks (who all are looking to make the playoffs) demolished them by an average of 22ppg en route to going (0-6) against them.
Let's not forget that Michael Beasley is playing out of his mind! Right?! Yeah, he's shooting 5 more shots a game to get him that extra 7 points, not only that, he's only averaging about 4 turnovers a game!
I give Kevin Love props, that man is doing work.. but let's face it, this team is one of the worst defensive teams in the league and they aren't going to get any better on that. Love is too small to guard centers. Beasley is either too slow for SFs or too small for PFs and Cs. This team simply can't shoot 3's to save their lives, they make about 5 3pters a game.
Let's wait until Jonny Flynn gets back, because he's really going to put this team over the hump to contend for a championship.
This offseason, they'll have about 17mil in cap room, guess what? Oden, Thornton, Young, Redd, Nene, Randolph, Smith, Crawford all highlight the 2011 Free Agent Extravaganza! Wow, the Timberwolves better not spoil themselves too much with so much talent. What about 2012? Oh, you mean when Beasley's and Love's contracts expires? Well, so much for their 2012 summer.
I agree to a extent. It's a steal for the twolves because of what they got for so little. For Miami it wasn't a big lost because they wanted/need a off the bench or starting three point shooter. They didn't need what beasley brings to the table because they picked up lebron for that. Kahn did a good job for only giving up a 2nd round pick.
The goal is to win a title but it doesn't happen over night and you're season isn't lost if you end the season without a title. If so then they should just cut a bunch of teams and have a 4 team playoff because only 4 teams really have much of a chance to win it
stanford hoops, so Minnesota getting Beasley is going to make them a championship contender in the future? Can Minnesota pull together a team that is going to be better than the Heat? Minnesota just got used. I mean, really, they got used. Minny will never build a championship team, and in 5 years, if (they wont) they ever build a playoff team, IF (no really, they wont) they even make it to the Finals, they'll have to compete with the team they helped create, the Miami Heat.
Nobody wanted Beasley, not because he wasn't a good player, but because nobody wanted the Heat to be able to get Haslem and Mike Miller. Nobody wanted to feed Goliath.. Well, it only takes 1 stupid owner to feed the beast, now the league has to deal with them.
BTPH- hows this for reasonable analysis? Somebody was going to give up something for Beasley, or if they really needed to get rid of him, they wouldve cut him. So we got him for peanuts...to just about everybody else on earth, that is a steal. Put your bias down for a second and use your brain. And if your not biased your doing an absolutely terrible job of showing it.
The Heat made those signings with Beasley still on the roster...its foolish to think that the Heat wouldnt have been able to make it work because Michael Beasley was taking up to much cap space to sign their beloved big 3. Again...think man.
Vote4Darko- good job with not showing biasness as well. Did you by chance see that they lost to the Lakers by like 5 points, the Hawks by 6 points and the Bobcats by like 5 points (a game that they had in the bag)? Doesnt do well for your argument.
Beasley has been doing well, if you didnt know, he's playing more SF this year, which is different then playing the PF, theres alot more ball handling...be reasonable, is it that hard?
Kevin Love has been playing well, is he a good defender? No. Nobody said he is, but he can be a solid role player on a good team. So stop demeaning every single thing that people say.
I dont think anybody expects them to contend for a championship this year, nor does anybody really expect them to make any big splash FA signings, so maybe you should stop arguing for the sake of being argumentative...dont be a tool.
Bottom Line is that the TWolves arent a contending team, but they are starting to show something that people can at least get excited about. Why do people need to constantly shoot that down? Thats pathetic to me.
They actually traded Beasley after they had Bosh and Wade.
If Beasley would have been cut, his salary would have still counted against the Heat.
The reason nobody wanted Beasley, was not because his lack of talent, it's because nobody wanted to help Miami. As I said, it only takes one idiot owner to feed the monster, they fed the Heat.. Helping them get Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller. 2 player that could easily be starters on many rosters, and there they are in Miami, Haslem as a backup and when Miller gets back, he'll be a backup aswell.
In the end, it took one stupid owner to make the Heat better.
We should just start the playoffs now then huh. All teams with four wins or less should stop playing because they won't win a title or get better. No one can get better on defense after two games
Beasley is giving up a blistering 14ppg to guys he's guarding. So I'm guessing alot of allstars are good awful defenders because suprisingly they are giving up more points while letting here guy shoot a better percentage
Need to all stop
Playing now because they are not gonna get better. It's impossible
No wins should count if you havnt beat a playoff team. Never mind that when picking for the playoffs you don't get penialized for beating the clippers/kings/wizards
Let's use this with other sports as well. Boise st should not ve ranked 4 because they didn't beat the top teams in the nation.
Eric gordan isn't as good as we think because the clippers still lose so he's a loser
Blake griffin also isn't that good for the same reasons as gordan
Lebron is worst this year. The heat are 6-4 so let's block them from making the playoffs
Lakers can't be that good because of there cupcake schedule
Erase kobe's 81 points. Hell he did it against the sorry raptors
Erase loves 31&31 since it was against the knicks
Anytime you score,rebound,block,get assist, or steals against a bottom team you're stats shouldn't count
Are all overrated and there stats don't mean much because all there teams aren't in the playoff race right now and according to some peoples logic, they can't,won't get better. It's impossible
Yeah it makes sense to argue about if a team will be a title team in 5 years?? How dumb is that. No one knows what trades might happen,injuries, free agent signings. And how many teams in NBA history have kept the exact same players for 5,4 years?
According to you're logic every team except
Should all trade there players because no one else is gonna win a title out side of those teams for the next 5,4 years
No one said the twolves will win a title but according to you're logic if you won't win it in the next couple if years then what's the point. Why not every team other then the ones ive mentioned trade there players
Durant will not win this year or next or next or next. They won't beat lakers,Orlando,Miami. So why not trade durant,Westbrook
Kings need to get rid of tyreke Evans and cousins right?
I'd be more then happy for teams to think like you that way my lakers can continue to win since all these teams will continue to have a roster turnover and never develop players
Stanford hoops, your argument makes no sense whatsoever. I never said Beasley wasn't good. I am saying people are overreacting. He's not an All-Star as you said he was.
Pacers - Hibbert, George, Granger (All Star Potential)
Sixers - Iguodala, Holiday, Turner (All Star Potential)
Rockets - Brooks, Martin, Ming, Scola (All-Star Potential)
Clippers - Gordan (All Star Potential ) Griffin (Superstar Potential)
Kings - Thompson, Landry, Cousins (All Star Potential) Tyreke Evans (Superstar Potential)
Twolves - Love (All Star Potential)
Knicks - Stoudemire (Superstar Potential)
Nets - Harris, Favors, Lopez (All Star Potential)
Wizards - Arenas, McGee (All Star Potential) Wall (Superstar Potential)
You see whats wrong here? The TWolves only have 1 player with all star potential and zero players with superstar potential. This is why Minny fans need to quit being so happy over nothing.
Why the hell would you change your name to Vote4Darko to bash the Timberwolves? That makes no sense to me. Please explain.
LMFAO!! I never thought of that
I don't get why you would wanna do that, but hey, its your choice.
Why is your name Vote4Darko when you clearly hate the wolves?
And who are you to decide who has all star potential? Javale McGee has more all star potential then Beasley?
And Timberwolves fans are so happy because for the first time in years we actually have a fun team to watch and are not a complete joke anymore. Sorry for being happy and supporting our team
Lol. Umm it's pretty well known beasley has allstar potential. Not only do people who watch think so. But basket minds such as
Have all said beasly has all star potential so twolves have two. On top of that potential is what might be not what will be. Some said mcgee ,Randolph, have allstar potential. Those teams are in the exact same boat as the twolves. Losing there's no way around it or to sugar coat it for other teams
How often have the clippers had a player with so called allstar potential and how did that work out for them?
No that I really look I have to lmao. What makes mcgee or turner have more allstar potential then beasley???? Lol is that a joke
Mcgee has no allstar potential
Vote4Darko is no true member of the Darko Fan Club that's for sure.
In terms of All Star potential, I would venture to say that Beasley, Rubio and Love all have All Star potential. I doubt that all 3 will make an all star game in the same year, but I wouldn't be shocked if all 3 made it at some point during their careers.
Yeah and what about Wes Johnson? I am not saying he will be a superstar or HOF, but i think with development he could be capable of a Allstar game or 2 down the road
Rubio is not going to Minny, and Beasley is not going to be an all star, when you have guys that play the same position, and are better.. Melo, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gay, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, there's no way Beasley gets in over them. And if you want to talk about PFs, Nowitzki, Scola, Randolph, West, Duncan, Aldridge, Love, Millsap, Lee, Griffin, and Gasol are all better.
He's not saying all stars right now. The point is that they are all all star type talents.
And yea, I could see Johsnon making an all star game or two. I'm probably just biased against him because I like Martell Webster so much.
What was your previous username?
Kirilenko is better than Beasley now? My bad didnt know. And you know we are not talking about making a allstar game just this year. Beasley has many years left in his career to develop, he is only 21.
Yeah, he's only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He's just another Antawn Jamison. A 19-7 guy for his career, and a 24-8 guy in his prime.
How can you say that? You are absolutely POSITIVE, that Beasley won't improve. Because actually he has improved a lot just this year, which would make me think that he is capable of refining his game even further. Do you really think he's going to peak at 21? You realize that's like saying that Evan Turner has peaked.
and you know this how? And last time i checked those a very good numbers. All star numbers
Ok so how is mcgee a potential all star....Howard lopez bogut hibbert??? Sounds like you only using you're logic to best fit you're arguement
How bout holiday with. Rose,rondo?
And rubio not coming is based off of what fact? I think he's playing based off of his agent the team and rubio his self. Youres is based off of what?
Did u really say ak47 and Ron artest???? Lol. I can understand melo or gay ( don't they let 3 small forwards on the team. And melo will ve gone soon. At least btph had some type of reasonable arguement to some extent or reasonable proof. You're arguements are clearly based on you're personal dislike/opinion
Lol. His arguements ate becoming more and more silly. Beasley won't improve even though he's only 21 and has improved every year but the older mcgee and turner will. Lmao. It's not even fair arguing with this guy anymore after saying things like that. I rest my case
Yea, the Beasley won't improve one is my favorite. If he had stayed in school, he wouldn't have even graduted yet.
Did any of you guys watch Beasley with Miami? He's doing the same exact things there and here, thing is.. Dwyane Wade is no longer taking shots and the ball from him. His game is still the same. Obviously, you guys haven't watched him at all, either in college, Miami nor Minnesota.
I watched him play lacsidasical defense in Miami and at K-State. With the Wolves he isn't a great defender, but at least he's trying. He is shooting better percentages now, he looks more refined and more like a small forward to me. So yes, I feel like I have visibly seen him improve.
He is bringing intensity of defensen and is also starting to look like a leader. In The clippers game, the clippers went on a run and took the lead, but during a timeout Beasley was giving a very passionate/fired up speech and the wolves responded with a 8-0 run with Beasley getting 5 of those. He looks liek a changed guy and really feels like this is his team