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Is David Kahn really a moron?

I've been giving this some thought for a while and everyone seems to rip on Kahn for selecting a boatload of PGs in the 09 draft. Personally, I think he thought this team wasn't going to be winning anytime soon and decided to go after assets. Look at the 09 draft, it is one of the deepest PG drafts in recent memory.

Looking back PGs were the best prospects. Jordan Hill has been a relative bust, and the rest of the players (outside of DeRozan and Curry if u still say he's a 2 guard imo hes a PG), who would have been considered at that point haven't performed exceptionally either. Kahn just happened to keep and select the wrong PGs. He had the right intentions of going after those prospects though as clearly the PGs in this draft have been great prospects.

Unfortuanetly, he traded Lawson and Jonny has heavily circumed to the injury he endured at the end of last season. I haven't given up on Jonny as I think he can comeback and regain some of that athleticsim next year. Rubio still could be everything we hoped for, hopefully we see that next year.

But, for everyone to rip on Kahn for the moves he has made thus far is kind of unjust IMO. He got Beasley (a steal though, who wouldnt make that move), has an allstar caliber player in Love, and got a player who may be starting to turn it on in Randolph. Wes Johnson has been a solid addition as well and Martell Webster played well towards the end of the season. Even Darko has proven to some extent that he may be worth that contract.

Overall, I must say I disagree with the constant ripping of Kahn and feel he as done a better job than he receives credit for. Hopefully going forward that translates into wins...

*Although comparing Darko to Chris Webber was a moronic statement, no denying that.


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I see your point

He would look a lot better if he took Jrue Holliday instead of Flynn

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Wes Johnson sucks! There were

Wes Johnson sucks! There were plenty of players that should have been picked ahead of him!

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Wes Johnson does not suck.

Wes Johnson does not suck. Are you crazy? And SG was a huge need for the Wolves, and he was the best prospect capable of playing that position. Sure I would have rather had Cousins, but he's had his mental issues and garbage. Wes is playing just fine, he just needs more confidence and show a willingness to take more shots. He flew under the radar this year because of his lack of aggressiveness on offense but he played tremendous for a rookie. He played lock down D on Kobe v. the lakers which is a huge need for the Wolves.

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Kahn is a Moron but he is not

Kahn is a Moron but he is not as bad and people say and this is coming from someone who bashes Kahn regularly. Otis Smith should get more hate because he will be the reason that Howard leaves Orlando. Kahn has yet to make an expensive mistake but has made many talent level mistakes.

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I agree but at the time Flynn

I agree but at the time Flynn was considered a better prospect then Holiday with his play in the big east tournament. Holiday didnt have the greatest NCAA career. Many didnt expect him to be as great as he has been, but the potential was there. Flynn tore up summer league his first year and had a very strong rookie campaign. I think it was a solid pick. The Rubio factor has only been a &$#%#&@! cuz he hasnt come over yet, but that could have happened to any team that selected him, not just the Wolves. He is a nice asset and piece to the puzzle once he does come over. If Kahn doesnt see what he wants to see early or in practice he'd be an easy bargaining chip.

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Moronic typo on my end here

Moronic typo on my end here that I think the community will appreciate me pointing out...

"Jonny has heavily circumed to the injury"...should be succumbed not circumed lol.

Have your laugh, its def. deserved.

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Well

I mean he does have a solid core and team as of now but he has made some questionable moves, he drafted a lot of PGs, Rubio, Flynn AND lawson? Lawson was traded and turned out to pan out better then Flynn so far and I believe will have a better career and Rubio has yet to play a game in the NBA, that to me was a very questionable move in such a deep draft and he has guys like Webster and Beasley and then he drafts Johnson instead of drafting Demarcus Cousins, a Center who could have played well next to Kevin Love. So he is not a total moron, it is just in my mind has made a few moves that have made me scratched my head

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KAHHHHHHNNNNN

LOL......darko is the second coming of webber...LOL...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2KIfV9FYM

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YES!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!

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he is ok

Minnesota is a tough place to build, and they have a young core with some potential at least and plenty of cap space. He is a bad drafter though.

They needed a 2 guard and passed on a future lottery 2guard, Demar Derozan. Didnt even appear to strongly consider him, with the rare luxury of back to back top 10 picks, and a glaring hole at the 2. Dont really think Wes Johnson is a good fit either. They drafted a 22 year old college power forward to play shooting guard.

Still, Ridnour is a good role player at point, Rubio is still an Asset that we have yet to see, and Flynn might be tradable as well, or improve. Webster is Decent, Ellington is a good shooter, Darko is a good backup, and Beasley and Love are good starters in the league. So considering they were the worst team in the league as usual, they could be in worse position, especially with a top 5 pick on the way.

But just Minnesota's luck, They are in a terrible draft. I expect them to look for a true Center, probably Kanter or Valunicias or however you spell that. Barnes would have been perfect for them.

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David Kahn inherited a job

David Kahn inherited a job where the cupboard was essentially bare. It was filled with aging underachievers, and there was no real foundation in place to even excite a fan base.

This year, we were the worst team in the league, record wise, but there is at least a foundation in place now to build upon. Anybody who watched the wolves play this season will tell you that. I believe they had the worst record in the league in games decided by 5 points or less, with a record of somewhere around 25 losses (dont quote me on that, but I know its in the ballpark). That tells me that this team is close.

Has Kahn made some personel mistakes? sure. But had he drafted Jrue Holiday with the 6th pick in the draft, he would've been burned at the stake. Jrue Holiday was not very good in college, and was seen as a high risk, high reward type player, who has panned out nicely. But lets not pretend he was this cant miss prospect, cuz 16 teams passed on him. And lets not forget that Jonny Flynn was gaining incredible steam with the Big East tourney, the NCAA tourney, and the pre draft workouts, I mean he was on fire, and it would not have been questioned at the time, if he wouldve been picked even as high as 4 by the Kings. Drafting Lawson was another one that didnt work out well, but at the time, if the wolves wouldve kept lawson and traded Flynn, what would people do then?

Is David Kahn by any means a great GM? No. But when you factor in the fact that the Wolves had absolutely nothing when he took the job, and consistently get screwed by David Stern...I mean...the lottery, and are drafting 3rd or 4th every year and there are only 2 or 3 franchise savior type prospects, its easy to see why the wolves havent gotten better yet. You also have to factor in the fact that nobody wants to come to Minny because we arent a huge market, and we dont really have any attractive stars who people want to play with. Now who knows, maybe Rubio and Love can be those guys, but so far its up in the air.

I do know this, before David Kahn was hired, the Timberwolves were going nowhere, and were a dead organization. We arent quite back from the dead yet, but there is a sense of life in this team now, and I really think they are a stupid lottery ball away from gettin back in the mix and potentially being that next young team that makes noise. And thats not because Kevin Mchale.

Rebuilding isnt easy in the NBA, it is a star driven league in every sense of the word, and if you dont have one, its hard to get one and its hard to win without one, and if you are in a small market, your odds are stacked against you.

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Kahn

He was gifted players such as Randolph and Beasley. He has never made a respectable move on his own and the players he drafts end up being bad ones. To top it off the Darko-Webber comparison was one of the worst things I have ever heard in sports history and it was right in front of Web. What an embarassment of a GM. Bill Simmons is waiting for a job and this guy has a job? What a joke.

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How is Randolph going to

How is Randolph going to explode if he's backing up Beasley and Love? I don't see that sry.

He also wasted good money on Darko and that other russian, Petkovic or whatever. Close to 10mil. Darko could be a solid back-up that other guy is just a body.

Beasley was obviously a steal, but he's overrated because he gets big minutes on that sucky team with the fastest pace in the league. It's similiar for Love.

Obviously they have some pieces. But those 3-4 year pieces failed to win 20 games.

I don't think the future is too bright for them and it's hard not to blame Kahn.

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Ive got a trade idea for the

Ive got a trade idea for the Wolves. Beasley for Mayo. That would solve alot of issues for the Wolves, and Beasley could come off the bench for he Grizzlies. Battier seems content gaurding either wing position so it wouldnt really hurt him much. Plus they were trying to get rid of Mayo for Mcroberts who plays PF. Randolph could slide into that SF position or Johnson could and help with some length thus hiding Loves weakness's.

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Who said Randolph was going

Who said Randolph was going to explode? I said he may be starting to get his act together, meaning turn into a solid player.

And money wasnt wasted on Darko. Do u understand what the going rate is for a player of his size with at 25 years old with shot-blocking ability and a strong body? Hell Joel Anthony is making over 3.5 mil per. 5 mill (not 10 as you said) per isn't unreasonable for Darko with what he's currently doing, a little extravagant yes, unreasonable, not by any means.

Pekovic played well for a rookie bigman transitioning to the game. Once he controls his fouling he will be a solid role player at the least.

And don't blame Kahn for being given gifts. What do you want him to decline accepting those players? smh. He is not nearly as bad as half the people seem to make him out to be.

Im a T-Wolves fan and I've been through the painful moments, one of those being having seen all his picks on draft night. But it turns out, he had the right idea. PG was a strength in the draft and he was tryina get as many assets out of that draft as possible.

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$5 Mil is perfectly fie for

$5 Mil is perfectly fie for Darko. Amir Johnson makes more. Drew Gooden makes more. At the time thou he was not seen as a good enough player to even be in the league. Even now that he is a starter on the worst team in basketball making 5-mil per it raises some red flags but Im sure on a team like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, etc. his presence would be appreciated much more.

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Chrischi, I apologize for

Chrischi,

I apologize for saying u said he made 10 mill. You were combining Darko and Pek's salaries. Regardless though I will stick to what I said, 5 mill is perfectly reasonable for Darko.

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no one mentioned

the fact that kahn was the only gm in the nba who wanted the beasely deal cause everyone knew it was going too allow the heat too keep haslem and sign miller and anyone who knocks the great darko forget about it hes got something the bnoat and thats lbj will never have a ring

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I can't believe Darko is only

I can't believe Darko is only 25! I had no idea he was so young, wow. That's great value for him, given the current crop of Cs, he's a starter in this League. OhCanada is right though, he would be a lot more valuable with the right players around him. Perkins is generally considered a good C to have as your starter, but on this team he wouldn't make much of a difference either. Darko is holding it down, and that was a decent contract, I'll give Kahn credit for that.

However, one thing I don't like is just how young this team is. The Ridnour signing was good because it gave them a veteran presence. I hate to say it, but Minnesota is overloaded with young talent. Randolph, Love, Beasley, Johnson, Flynn, Rubio if he comes, a starting C in Milicic, and another top 5 pick coming in. How are all these players with high potential supposed to get enough burn to develop? I feel like some trades need to go down to bring in good locker room guys and clear up the logjam. Ridnour, Webster, Ellington and Randolph will form a good bench unit, but I'd like to see some veteran role players and a change in coaching before this team goes anywhere.

Also, regarding the decision to pass up on Cousins, do you really want Cousins and Beasley on the same team? That could end badly.

I can't help but feel that Minnesota has too many high draft picks, they can't keep amassing all this young talent without it exploding somehow. Get them a coach who will develop them and trade away the guys who don't work out, it's time for tough love. I think nobody should be safe, including Kevin Love, as Randolph has the potential to be a better player as well know, and Love plays no D, which is a huge anchor for a team trying to rise in the standings.

This draft is going to be tough for Kahn, most of his positions are more or less ready to keep together, who to add is going to be hard, unless you take a project C to play behind Darko without threatening his playing time and can help the bench out.

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Beasley is a starter why would he come off the bench

They have Gay so Beasley does not fit with the Grizzley's. Khan is an idiot IMO. The only way he is not is if Rubio turns out to be an all star or they land some major talent for trading Rubio.

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Kahn = Idiot

The guy is an idiot. He had back to back years of just loading up on guys that played the same positions. He even traded for for Martell Webster then later wanted the NBA to do something about it because he felt that Portland knew they traded him an injured player. Pretty sure they should have caught that during examinations, unless they decided to overlook it.

Minnesota is one of those teams that they need to find talent at every position, not just get a bunch of guys that play the same one. Sure you can say that in the 09 draft pgs were the best prospects, but to me it's a big problem when you have one that doesn't want to come over and you end up trading the best one you drafted. You get left with the one that didn't even have a great upside and there were so many better players to draft on the board after you selected him. Beasly is a good addition even if he doesn't turn into what was expected of him, but Miami was pretty much trying to give him away and Minnesota happened to be a team with cap space making the deal much easier. He also didn't acquire Kevin Love, that was McHale. I'm not sure what Randolph will become, it's still too early to tell, but even in that situation I see it as "oh look, one of the few teams with enough cap space to help facilitate a deal." I don't think that deal was about being so much of a mastermind, as the Knicks probably sought them out and the Wolves were not concerned with being under the cap because they were too busy wasting it on useless bench players.

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@scout4real I have no idea

@scout4real I have no idea what you're talking about.

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I bet the Knicks would take

I bet the Knicks would take back Darko at $5 mill a season right now considering their big man shortage. It isn't a terrible contract, not a good one, but just kind of average. What was terrible was Kahn acting like he had just signed up a future All Star.

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O ya hes a moron. I remember

O ya hes a moron. I remember on draft day in his interview after picking Flynn his logic for doing so was that Flynn was a scoring point guard who could play off the ball and could play with Rubio. I dont know what gave him this crazy idea because Flynn never played off the ball at Cuse and did Kahn really think Flynn could guard the real 2 guards like Kobe.

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Actually, he planned on

Actually, he planned on having Rubio defend 2 guards, and Flynn would guard the opposing point guards. And the roles would be switched offensively as Rubio wud be the primary handler and Flynn would be more of a 2 guard. And is it out of the realm of possibility that this was simply a media play because he knew people would be asking what he was thinking and he couldnt just come out and say that he doesnt expect Rubio for 2 years.

When did he load up on players at the same position besides the 3 point guards (2 actually cuz he traded lawson). Johnson is a wing, Webster is a wing, but last I checked, Basketball typically is a sport played with 2 wings on the floor at a time, and the wolves had none....so conventional wisdom would say go get a couple of wings.

The Darko statement was stupid, but the contract isnt horrible. I would say he is right in that 15 to 20 range in terms of Centers. He would look alot better if we didnt run our offense through him on countless posessions. When you dont have any Centers, whats wrong with taking a a gamble on a guy that clearly has talent?

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Hes gambling, is it smart to

Hes gambling, is it smart to gamble no.

Hes all in, all this chips on the table, and whats his hand? Ricky Rubio. Thisi s not a gambling mans league, its a buisness mans league. Buisness men usually take advantage of the gambling man as often as they can, yet every once and a while you see a gambling man take a chunk of that buisness mans earnings. The buisness man always prepares for that though.

Drafting Rubio = Gamble
Trading Lawson over Flynnn = Gamble
Contract for Darko = Gamble
Beasley Trade = Gamble
Randolph Trade= Gamble
And so on...

It is important not to gamble in thisleague but to have a buisness approach, and a formula for success. Kahn just drafts highest talent, and trades for the cheapest talent he possibly can. If it worksout with Rubio he will look like a genius. If not..Idiot.

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Oh Canada...what do you

Oh Canada...what do you propose he do? Sometimes you have to gamble on things. The wolves arent going to land a top notch FA because we are a small market, they cant get a franchise player thru the draft cuz they keep getting screwed by the lottery. So what worse does it make us gambling on some players who clearly have talent and maybe a chip on their shoulders because of being cast out. Its called no risk, high reward.

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Curry Jenings Hansbrough

Curry Jenings Hansbrough Holiday Lawson Collison Caspi Beaubois Gibson (Taj) Douglas (Tony) Blair Jerebko(bsed on his rookie season) Thorton (Marcus)

and

Cousins Monroe Bledsoe Fields Davis (Ed) George (Paul) Patterson

Kahn could have had any combination of THREE of these guys! ( 2 from the first list)

I bet you 50% percent of the people would have done better than Kahn. I can cut him some slack on the Johnson pick, but he drafted THREE point guards in 09 and traded the best

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Curry Jenings Hansbrough

Curry Jenings Hansbrough Holiday Lawson Collison Caspi Beaubois Gibson (Taj) Douglas (Tony) Blair Jerebko(bsed on his rookie season) Thorton (Marcus)

and

Cousins Monroe Bledsoe Fields Davis (Ed) George (Paul) Patterson

Kahn could have had any combination of THREE of these guys! ( 2 from the first list)

I bet you 50% percent of the people would have done better than Kahn. I can cut him some slack on the Johnson pick, but he drafted THREE point guards in 09 and traded the best

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The worst thing he has done

The worst thing he has done byfar is completly screw over Rambis. He has no consideration whatsoever for Rambis's triple threat offense. I know he got him Darko because he is a good passer, but cant you do a bit better then just Darko. How about Cousins, or Monroe, those 2 are pretty damn good passers too.

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aamir... Curry/Jennings/Lawso

aamir...

Curry/Jennings/Lawson (who they did pick)/Collison/Beaubois were all PGs. He picked the 2 he thought would have the most success. Flynn played well last year, but hes coming off injury. No reasn to rip them for not taking those guys, with exception to maybe Curry since he possibly could have played SG.

Hansborough and the rest of those guys weren't going to be considered in the top 6 picks at that time. So that is unjust as well.

As far as Wes Johnson. It was a fine pick, the only guy who you could argue should have been picked was Cousins (I agree with that). But like OhCanada said, they brought in B-Easy who was labeled a headcase, did they really want to pair that with Cousins. And Monroe probably isnt the best fit next to Love. Love needs a solid athletic defender paired with him. Monroe's specialty is playmaking as a big and his ability to score and work in ball movement. Not to mention he is much better utilizted as a PF as is Love.

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This team goes nowhere until

This team goes nowhere until Love learns how to defend. Maybe he gets more lessons from Coach K over summers.

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