I posted in another thread about why I'm high on him and I do think he will be a great player in the NBA in the future. I got alot of negs on that comment but nobody posted why they didn't agree with me. It's fine to have a difference of opinion I'm just curious as to why some people may not be so high on him. If you could please give some reasons as to why you think he'll fail or succeed.
I think he has bust written all over him. But if My Jazz end up taking him I will tell ya all that it was a incredible pick. And I was the first person to ever mention him!
I don't think you have to worry about the jazz picking him. Two reasons: one the jazz are a small market team and mainly build through the draft. As such they have to draft players who are willing to stay with the team drafted them past their rookie contracts. Exum seems to me like a guy who wants to be in a big market immediately. (Lobbying for the Lakers to draft him). Two, the jazz are already stocked up at both positions that Exum could play. The jazz tend to draft for need. Both burks and Burke will start next year, so Exum would have to play second fiddle to them and possibly come off the bench his rookie season. I don't think he wants that to happen. Also I think he is very similar to Alec Burks so I don't think that combo would work out too well. I think the Jazz are more likely to draft Parker, Embiid, Randle, Vonleh, or Gordon over Exum.
I completely disagree that the Jazz need more help in the frontcourt than they do at guard. The Jazz don't know if Hayward will be back next year, and Burks and Burke while solid rotation players, have not proven themselves to be all-star caliber. Favors and Kanter are probably both best suited for PF. Gobert, Kanter, and Favors can all play center. The Jazz will probably also have Erik Murphy, a PF, and are unlikely to waive him because they would only owe him $34,601 for NEXT YEAR. They also will have Malcolm Thomas, another PF. They've also tried playing Jeremy Evans as a stretch 4. So that's 5 players that can play PF already on the roster. So why would the Jazz take Embiid or any of the PFs in the draft over Exum?
The Jazz's biggest need is probably at backup PG. They'll also need another SG if Hayward leaves. Even if Neto comes over this season, I still think the Jazz would prefer a 3rd PG or wing. I also think that Exum will viewed as a talent tier higher than Randle and the others. Furthermore Exum comes from Australia which is a predominately white culture like Utah is, so there wouldn't be culture issues like there might be for Randle or Vonleh. I think that Exum is clearly the best fit for the Jazz, other than Jabari Parker.
"White culture"? You are aware that you can't paint all white people with one brush, right? There are an enormous difference in the political and social views of Australians and Utahans; not to mention the obvious differences in customs. Needless to say, I don't see Exum's adjustment to Utah going smoothly. I predict that the Jazz will "coincidentally" wind up with a pick high enough to select Mormon, Jabari Parker. If by some rare chance that doesn't happen, I expect for them to package whomever they select in the draft and a sign and traded Gordon Hayward for Parker, several weeks after the draft.
Predominantly white culture hey? Perhaps you're forgetting the indigenous Australian playing in the NBA for the spurs in Patty Mills. Nathan Jawai also played for Toronto a few years back and he's also an indigenous Australian. Dante Exum and Ben Simmons are sons of naturalised Australians from the USA. Sounds very white to me.
Australia is a very multicultural society. Try and get your facts straight first before you post.
I'm a Jazz fan as well. Watching him and looking at his measureables, he reminds me a lot of Burks. His measurables are very good for a 2 and elite for a 1. Both are very high level athletes. Both have shown flashes that make it appear they can play 1 in the NBA, but neither blows you away with his court vision. In Burks' case he has been OK at the 1 and much better at the 2 when given time.
If he demonstrates an elite skill for managing the game and finding the open man, he could be an amazing 1. If he develops a high level 3-point shot, he will be very difficult to guard. However, this is why people are afraid of him. The potential is obvious, but it's very difficult to say whether or not he'll develop that killer shot or if he'll ever be a true manager of an offense.
I really like him and I think he's worth taking a risk on. However, as a Jazz fan I'm hoping they go another direction since they already have Burke and Burks.
How can you say that? The kid has the best first step in the draft. The only thing that could slow him down is if he turns out to be injury prone due to his glaring lack of size (not to be confused with his elite height for his position).
Stength - Size for PG, ability to get to the rim, scoring
Weaknesses - Poor left hand, Not a great shooter, hasn't played good competition
Comparison - Penny Hardaway, Derrick Rose, Michael Carter Williams
Projection - A stat-stuffer who will play multiple all-star matches. Is only 18 years old, so expect him to average 13-4-4 on 40% fg his first season, and 22-6-6 45%fg in his prime.
I negged you cause you said you're impressed with his Euroleague highlights and didn't know Australia is not in Europe.
Aside from that I basically don't have any idea of how good he is or might be and decided to shut up on Exum unless I saw him in the summer league.
Truth be told the only reason I said Euroleague is because I just associate Australia with England so much since I live in England. I have watched plenty of his games but I will admit it did make my statement lose alot of credibility.
and think you're a moron for associating Australia as part of Europe.
I even admitted that it was a stupid mistake dude jeez. I live in England and I associate England with Australia alot in my mind as stupid as that sounds. No need for the name calling though.
As a Jazz fan I 'm not sure what to think regarding should the Jazz draft him, I haven't seen enough video of him to have a strong opinion. I know others love him and I hope they are right but the little bit of film on him doesn't give us a lot to evaluate. Regarding the Jazz already having players at his position , I disagree, we may have Burks and Burke but that is not enough and Exum would be a great addition, if he is good enough as some think he will be then he will bump Burke to the bench and that would be OK with me and make our bench stronger. My personal hope is we can get into the top 3 and get either Parker or Wiggins, that is what we need most. Hayward is best at the 2 and so getting someone who can play the 3 is what we need.
The Jazz have two glaring weeknesses that I see in their roster other than experience. First is defense, the second is no real mis-match that would command a regular double-team. Defense makes me a bit worried about Parker, but if he is such a perfect fit in every other regard, and he's available I understand why you take him.
Wiggins is has the potential to be a stopper on D and a missmatch on offense so the only concern with him is wether he would stay and possible PR loss of not taking Parker if he is there.
If, however, these two are gone, then I have to think you look for who has the physical ability to provide an upgrade on Defense and/or create an offensive missmatch. Both Embiid and Exum have that potential to do both. I would much rather have one of them then someone like Randle who will be at an athletic or length disadvantage regularly.
The thing that kills it for me is everyone was so high on Exum once Aran introduced us to him. Now many people are so "hokey pokey" with him. It's as if those want to like him but are afraid of being wrong about him if he were not to take the league by storm.
For the matter no one really has a true in-game visual report on him outside of YouTube clips. I say if you like him continue to like him whether he pans out or not, that's what makes you unique and the player as well because no matter what, you stuck to your guns from what popped to you about Exum.
He does have alot of bust potential I mean he might get picked ahead of guys like Randle, Vonleh and Gordon. Whoever takes him with those three on the board will be risking alot, especially in this deep draft. He could definetly be this years Darko.
I don't know about other people, but I assumed those that aren't ready to buy into his hype like me, feel there's too many uncertaintie. His fans rave about his great first step and his height for a point guard, but he's not really a true point guard. And as good as his first step is, his handles haven't been documented on how tight or loose it is. Then there's the question if he can finish with contact in the nba with his current built. Those things factor in his strength which is slashing, not his weakness that is shooting.
I like the his physical attributes. The way he comes off at interviews, seems like a humble hard worker from down under. But I don't think he'll be ready to contribute right away. He's much more raw I believe than what his supporters tend to believe. I mean, tony wroten has similar size and athletic abilities but put up inconsistent due to his finishing ability or lack off and his turn-overs. There hasn't been anything I've seen that says Dante will or will not encounter the same things when he first arrives in the league
Exum's skeptics have some solid points but I think they conveniently forget that the jury is out on ALL draft prospects before they actually make it and that Dante is no different in that respect. We've seen Exum in international competition though and I think it is clear that he is ahead of his peers and can compete against professionals. Based on that, I think that he is worthy of the "hype" surrounding him. People seem to sleep on his competition but forget that Australia has produced and continues to produce some pretty good ball players e.g. Andrew Bogut, Patty Mills, etc.
I really wish that Exum would have the shot to play in the triangle because I think he'd be perfect in that system.
Dont forget Ben Simmons and Thon Maker. Quite possibly the #1 prospects 3 years in a row.
Basketball has never been a big sport in our country but we have the Australian Institute of Sport which has had great success in recent yeara with Mills, Bogut and Dellavedova all graduating from there.
Its unlike anything in America and basically prepares gifted athletes to become pro's and doesnt hide behind a 'student athlete' facade.
Of course its only for elite talent.
is definitely out on all prospects but hes go to be the most unproven. H'es the only one (euros aside) that's not really played anybody . Im mean HS in Australia is not comparable to NCAA level in the slightest or even the powerhouse HS in the US. I want to see this 'amazing' first step against some real defences and comparable athletes (like in NCAA) or see that handle tested by some real pesky point guards. He seems very smooth but hes a suspect shooter or at least streaky shooter at the HS level hard to see how that's going to develop. Finally I like my guards to have a bit more lift vertically as he seems like a sneaky slasher opposed to strong. He reminds me of a taller version of the young Tony Parker, similar burst of speeds and type of handle. Id look at him in tohe top 10 but I have seen nothing to make me believe hes a sure fire star there fore hes a big risk for a foreign hs kid thsts played not really tested. I don't see him doing much his first year at all so hes a big risk if taken in top 4/5. With the other prospects atleast you kinda know your going to get certain things from them. With him ts not the case
In under 19s tourney he was the star on his team so he showed out against the rest of the under 19s but now were talking about the league
Patty Mills , Andrew Bogut all played NCAA ball and were effective so we knew or had an idea of how there strengths would correlate. Think both were 4yr guys saying that.
All interesting posts. I'm big on the kid. It's interesting because he has big things working for and against him. For one, he never played college ball to help prepare him for the league -- meaning that he's learning curve is larger, especially as a point/combo guard. On the other hand he's blessed with physical tools and is training with Kobe, DWade and most importantly Michael Jordan's trainer, Tim Grover, for what appears to be from 10-5 everyday.
I also find his decision to participate in the draft combine interesting.
We'll see. It's a very intriguing draft, that's for sure!