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Damian Lillard vs. Kyrie Irving - Who is the better current & long term prospect?

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Damian Lillard vs. Kyrie Irving - Who is the better current & long term prospect?

In honor of Lillard's ridiculous game winning shot last week, I ask who do you believe is the better current & long term prospect, Damian Lillard or Kyrie Irving? Damian Lillard is 23 years old and Kyrie turned 22 in March.

Season Overview:

D. Lillard (2013-2014) - 20.7PPG, 3.5PPG, 5.6APG, 42.4FG%, 87.1FT%, 39.4% 3PT
K. Irving (2013-2014) - 21.3PPG, 3.7RPG, 6.2APG, 43FG%, 86.1FT%, 35.8% 3PT

Individual Season Highlights:

D. Lillard
*Scored 20+ points in 43 games
*Scored season high 41 points versus SAC on January 7th
*3rd in total 3-PT field goals made with 218
*3 Game Winning Shots in 2014, none bigger than Game 6
*Elected to his first career All Star Game
*Led his team (with help of Aldridge of course) to 2nd round of postseason since 2000

K.Irving
*Scored 39+ points in 5 games
*Scored season high 44 points versus CHA on April 4th
*Averaged 1.6 steals per game
*Recorded first career triple double (21/10/12 split) versus the Jazz on Feb. 28
*Elected to 2nd career All Star Game
*Earned MVP honors of the 2014 All Star Game


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the popular vote NOW is

the popular vote NOW is Damian Lillard, but you would've been crucifixed if you asked this last year when everybody was on the uncle drew bandwagon lol

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these two guys are PG's and

these two guys are PG's and yet for some reason the first two stats you post for each of them are scoring stats. Scoring is the last thing I care about with a PG.

Controlling the tempo of the game, leadership, defense, and making your teammates better are all more important.

Now for who does that better between the two, well I'm not really sure as both seem more scoring focused right now in their careers.

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I still think Kyrie is a

I still think Kyrie is a better player. Slightly.

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Lillard. Hands down, and it's

Lillard. Hands down, and it's not gonna be the reason you may think.

Kyrie Irving:

2010-11 - Duke - 11 games

2011-12 - Cavs - 51 games

2012-13 - Cavs - 59 games

2013-14 - Cavs - 71 games

Kyrie is a very good young player, but long term? They guy has never been able to stay healthy, not to mention his field goal and three point percantages have gone down every professional season.

Shot or no shot, from a long term prospect perspective you can't pick the guy who misses 11-23 games every season.

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Lillard

If you peep their stats, they're both having a down year compared to last year in terms of efficiency. Dame's shooting is not good to say the least but he's been clutch all year round. Kyrie's FG% dipped as well and he failed to provide the same type of clutch plays that had so many in awe last year.

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To be fair, Lillard hit 33

To be fair, Lillard hit 33 more three pointers and raised his 3 point percentage from .368 to .394 in the process. In addition he got to the free throw stripe 105 times more than last season and hit 100 of them...raising his free throw percentage from .844 to .871

It's inaccurate to say he's down as far as efficiency just because hit FG% dropped .05 points...he made major strides in the other two shooting categories.

He also turned the ball over 50 less times in his sophomore season.

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Point guards

I just can't wrap my head around a fact that a point guard shoots as badly as some of these guys from the field. As a point guard, it's their responsbilitiy to facilitate the offense. If the offense needs them to score, at the very least they should be efficient about it.

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Welcome to the modern day of

Welcome to the modern day of NBA dinosaur.

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Nash

Well, Steve Nash at an advance age still managed to be efficient in the 'modern' days of the NBA. Look up the 180 club, he's been there multiple times. He's a two time MVP, in case you didn't know, young blood.

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It's even

It's tempting to say Lillard. He has definitely improved on a great rookie year. There are so few guard who can shoot a high 3pt% off the dribble, and Lillard is probably second to Curry in that category. However, Irving is also a tremendous shooter. Perhaps not on Lillard's level, but still excellent. I think Irving has better court vision and passing ability, so I'd give him the edge in that category (see ast%).

Both of them are truly elite offensive players overall. Not sure how much either can improve from here considering how great they are.

On defense they seem to be fairly even, but it's difficult to tell. Whoever improves their defense the most is likely to be the best long term player.

Love them both.

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Nice thread

Being on a weaker team should have boosted Kyrie's stats the seasons after his rookie campaign. It didn't, so my vote is Lillard. He's more consistent,healthier and I think he has better work ethics. One more thing - coming from a small college made him more of a step-up guy, a leader and a star. As of pure talent - it's Kyrie, maybe different paths they had before entering the NBA is the key for their development, idk, anyway - wish'em both the best and I'm sure their best game is yet to come.

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They are both great

They are both great prospects, but I like Lillard's game a bit more. But lets not forget that Kyrie just turned 22, whereas Lillard will be turning 24 in July.

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Lillard is a better defender

Lillard is a better defender, has a better floor game, and is more efficient. Kyrie is flashier. I would pick Lillard.

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Dame's clutch but so is

Dame's clutch but so is Kyrie. It's a really close shave, Lillard's a better shooter, Kyrie has a better handle, but they're so similar. I'll take Lillard edging it just b/c he seems like a better teammate. His Portland teammates seem to love him.

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If you go strictly off talent

If you go strictly off talent I'd say Irving is better going forward. Though I think Lillard understands the game a little better and when factoring in Kyrie's injuries I think I might give a slight edge to Lillard.

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Lillard

I think they are both talented, but I like Lillard's style of play much better, especially because he has another superstar with him in Portland. Lillard's demeanor and the way he handles himself puts him slightly above the PG's in his tier, including Irving.

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Kyrie still has some growing

Kyrie still has some growing up to do. Right now, its definately Lillard. He is almost two years older though. I think Kyrie is more skilled, but he hasn't figured out team basketball yet. If he eventually gets it, Kyrie will be the better player but that's certainly no guarentee.

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Kyrie has more talent but

Kyrie has more talent but Lillard seems to be a better PG.

Lillard does have Aldridge, Mathews and Batum while Kyrie has Deng, Waiters and the Cavs were actually decent in March and April.

Maybe if the Cavs don't f up the draft again and sign some talent in free agent we'll see them be a playoff team.

For now gotta go with Lillard he's clutch and if he continues to improve he'll be a top PG in a few yrs.

He's getting a lot of experience in this round guarding Parker.

Also there are a lot more scoring PGs now Parker, Westbrook, Wall, Curry, DWill Teague, Walker, Rose when healthy. Some of them pass well but score a lot too.

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Kyrie underperformed this year

I don't think that's much on his talent as much as it was on locker room issues... Everything seems to point to locker room issues, so he'll get a pass in my book... Bynum is a cancer though, Lakers, 76ers, Cavs, and now Pacers... Even if he's not playing its still a train wreck... LOL... Deng first arrival at the Cavs said it was a circus in the locker room... I'm not saying Kyrie isn't the blame for this, but can be the excuse why he's been "off" this year...

The All-Star game showed just how talented Kyrie really is... No matter who's on the court with him...

At this point I will go with Lillard because he's more mature... We don't know if Kyrie will get "it" and stop looking at his teammates for his team losing... It's on him... Especially in such a weak conference he should be able to take that team to an 8th seed...

But if we talking talent and skills ALONE... Kyrie... Lillard isn't a great finisher... He shot worse in the paint than he did taking jumpers... That says a lot... Kyrie is maybe the best finishing PG in the league... That's a trait that is hard to teach... Curry and Lillard are working hard on it, but it comes natural to Kyrie...

Skills and talent... Kyrie... Overrall Package for the future? Lillard

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