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Dallas should go for Carmelo....Right Now

If I'm Mark Cuban....I'm going for Carmelo Anthony.

Most of you are thinking: Why? Even with Carmelo, you really don't have a chance to win the title now that Butler is out for the year. The reason for Dallas to go get Carmelo is because: You get to restart all over again. Here's the deal ( Throw in 2 1st rounders from Dallas)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bv9ta3

With the NBA going to have a lockout and all the contracts are going to be rolled back and all that stuff, the Mavericks would be better off doing the deal listed above. You lose Melo? So what, you lose Terry? Big deal. When the CBA and all the contract stuff comes in, both will be overpaid. The Mavericks would possess a star, a hungry and hands on owner AND a tax free state. Dirk is older, but I think he has 4-6 seasons left in him because he doesn't have wear and tear on the body.

Am I wrong, or shouldn't Dallas just take Melo, incite the crowd and fans for a couple months and restart in FA post CBA?


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Hahaha -2 with no reason why.

Hahaha -2 with no reason why. Love it.

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Dumb Trade. Beaubois,

Dumb Trade. Beaubois, Chandler, Terry will almost certainly not be a part of the deal.

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You can say that about every

You can say that about every team. Every team should go after Melo the problem is Dallas along with other teams dont have the assets to get him, at least not the one's the Nuggest want

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i think it could make them a

i think it could make them a contender for a championship. i mean because melo and dirk would be impossible to guard, u cant really double them both plus kidd and stevenson knocking down shots and chandler and haywood dunking rebounding and blocking shots. but i do think that denver can get a better deal than anything dallas can provide.

and i have been thinking about the kings and their point guard situation. i think if they could get kirk hinrich, he would fit super well with the kings. didnt want to post a new topic on it tho. sry.

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Big D...the point is: Your

Big D...the point is: Your not going for a title. At least making this move, you have a chance to be great in the next era, post contract changes.

Do you think they could really win a title this year?

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They have a better chance to

They have a better chance to win it this year then next. Jason Kidd is 37 remember. Nowitzki is 32. Terry is 32. Marion is 31. And you know Mark Cuban will always make sure they go for a title. and what even says Melo will resign?

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That's not the point. I'll go

That's not the point. I'll go with what Ric Bucher has said: The fact is, teams with huge cap space will be able to get good players for fraction of prices. The belief is there gonna cut the MLE and lower max level deals. Guys like Jason Richardson and such will be cheap.

With that, the Mavs, if they make the deal I proposed, would have HUGE cap space, with Dirk as the only guy there. Dirk will be 32 and you can build a team around him. You can get guys like Tyson Chandler, Jason Richardson etc for cheaper then you would today. I rather blow it up and build around Dirk. Plus, if you get Melo, you don't think the idea of building around him as well as Dirk wouldn't appeal to him? I think it would.

Dirk-Kidd-Melo-Affalo right there as your four with Jones as a piece as well. You would have TONS of cap space to add pieces around them.

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Beaubois is going to be a

Beaubois is going to be a stud, why trade him? He will take the reigns from Kidd when he retires?

Terry is very loyal to Dallas so there is no way he's going anywhere, he's good friends with Dirk.

Chandler is the anchor of the defense, they'll avoid trading him at all. Don't even know if he comes back next season.

What if they do this deal and Melo leaves? There isn't many players that will make you a contender in this years free agency.

Denver won't be giving away Afflalo either, more likely JR Smith is going.

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Here's the counter to all

Here's the counter to all your points

- Roddy B is great, but he's shown NOTHING to prove he can run a a offense. He cannot defend well either, that was the reason he didn't get alot of PT in the playoffs as a rookie.

- Terry could be Dirk's friend on another team...the point is he's not worth 9 mil a season next year and I would rather have the cap space. He's a 16-4 guy as a sixth man while he cannot defend

-You DO know Chandler could leave next season? He's been great but eventually, Haywood is gonna want a trade if you don't move him. He was VERY good last season for Dallas at the C defensively.

- If Melo leaves, you get 17 mil in cap space. Add that to K-Mart, that's 33 million. Correction: That's 33 milion on a team with a title hungry owner, a still very good point guard, a legit first option in a area with no state tax.

Plus, your acting as if they did this they would suck....

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They would suck if they did

They would suck if they did this. They have stated Beaubois is going nowhere, Terry is obviously going nowhere no matter who they trade for. I stated Chandler could leave, but this season is the one where they have to go for the win, Jason Kidd is 37. If that deal is what it takes to get Melo they won't do it. And on that last point of yours, who is in this years free agency that could really help Dallas win the title? Theres basically Melo and no one else in this years free agency able to do that. and Terry is actually a good defender, so wheres the cannot defend bit come from?

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"They would suck if they did

"They would suck if they did this"

Kidd-Affalo-Melo-Dirk-Haywood-Marion-Martin

That would suck? Really? Come on now... They could arguably be the 3rd best team in the West.

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I dont see Terry or Chandler

I dont see Terry or Chandler moving.

They are going to try a Roddy-lead package if anything. Dirk, Terry, Chandler, and Kidd wont be moved, but if they could still get Melo, that would be a title contending worthy crunchtime lineup.

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Also, on the free agency

Also, on the free agency thing. I'll throw you this:

I could make a realistic team for the Mavs RIGHT NOW if they made that move and lost Melo.

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Why would Denver trade

Why would Denver trade Afflalo?? I don't get that bit.

Denver also has no need for Beaubois as they have Billups and Lawson as their PG's.

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I don't think they move Smith

I don't think they move Smith because I dobut they find someone who takes him for good value IMO. If Denver moves Melo and Dallas asks for Affalo, I wouldn't be shocked if they did. He's good, very good but I wouldn't say he's untouchable.

If Melo is leaving, Billups is gone too. Lawson is a actual PG while Roddy be the backup or move him..

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But Smith is an expiring

But Smith is an expiring contract, if Afflalo leaves and Smith leaves who their SG??

Lawson is Denver's future starting PG and Beaubois is just as good as this kid, but a better scorer then him. Beaubois would have to be moved from Denver, so why include him in the trade if Denver doesn't really want or need him.

Dallas won't blow up the team for the season, their just a little to old to gamble their chances like that, Kidd is declining just ever so slowly, Terry is getting slightly older. They have a max 2 seasons left to win the title, probably only this season. Someone like Iggy is probably more realistic of happening for us. Denver requires young talent to get a deal done, and they only young talent Dallas has is in the same positions as Denver's up and coming players. Lawson and Afflalo is most likely the future backcourt for Denver.

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Affalo is a exp contract as

Affalo is a exp contract as well. What season? They just lost Butler....you don't have a shot at winning a title. Right now....you don't have anything really to play for unless Kobe and Parker gets hurt...then your the best. I'm just being honest.

- Now that I think about it, the smarter move is to move Haywood over Chandler. I don't know if Denver does it but if they do, that only helps Dallas. It's called "Fight for another day". Dozens of teams who won titles have done it in the past. The thing is Dallas needs to retool this team. They have no title chances right now and Dirk has 3-5 good years left. I would rather have money in FA, Dirk and Cuban and start over THEN keep guys like Terry and Hawyood who are overpaid and not expiring anytime soon.

Gotta open your eyes. I'm cool with you not accepting the deal I laid out for you, but the fact is you sound like a Dallas fan with no perspective.

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They easily have a chance to

They easily have a chance to win it this year, what are you going on about? Shawn Marion is still there? The Philly trade this season is more likely, Mahinmi, Butler, Jones and maybe a few more picks doesn't break up the Mavs core players while adding your replacement in Iggy. They WILL NOT break up that core players they have got. If they're going after Melo, something like Butler, Mahinmi, couple of expiring contracts like Barea or Stevenson or Jones if they want him, plus picks, you can't break up a championship contenders core while trading for a player to get you over the hump to win.

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They easily have a chance to

They easily have a chance to win it this year, what are you going on about?

No they don't. Plus, why would Philadelphia move Iggy for that? 2 young and average players, a injured contract and 2 picks in the late 20's. Sorry, that's not happening. Like I said, Butler went down...Dallas chances are gone.

Like I said: Lack of perspective

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Yeah whatever man, that trade

Yeah whatever man, that trade you had would never happen.

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No, I need a reason why the

No, I need a reason why the 76ers would do that move? Really....

I never said it would happen, I said if I was Dallas, this is what I'd do. Gotta read man

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Okay lets say you did this,

Okay lets say you did this, who are you signing in the offseason that would bring them a championship?

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Alright here we go. The

Alright here we go. The Salary cap this season: 58.4 million.

First swap Haywood for Chandler in my deal: Still works

All Dallas would have after my deal is: Shawn Marion (7 mil), Dirk ( 18 mil) and Jason Kidd (9 mil). Plus J-Kidd is expiring. Throw in a 3 year, 15 mil deal for Aaron Affalo so that's 38 mil right there. I have 20 mil to work with plus the Bi Annual, bird rights and such. No Mid level.

All these players are FA's in 2011, here's the deal I'd give them

  • - Delonte West (2 years, 4 million)
  • - Nazr Mohammed ( 1 year, 2 million)
  • - Samuel Dalembert (4 years, 21 million)
  • - Jamal Crawford ( 4 years, 32 million)
  • - Jared Jefferies ( 4 years, 18 million)
  • - Caron Butler ( 1 year, 10 million w/ Team option) Bird Rights
  • - Soloman Jones ( vet min)
  • - Sebastian Telfair ( 1 yr, 1 million)

So with the money you gave me I have this

Starters: Kidd-Affalo-Butler-Dirk-Dalembert

Bench ( in order): Crawford, Marion, West, Mohammed, Jefferies, Jones, Telfair

That team is solid. What am I missing?

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Wouldn't you try and bring

Wouldn't you try and bring Chandler back? and Denver might not want Haywood whopping 6 year contract. But if Dallas could bring that entire list in, it would be alright, but thats a big IF. Other teams would try and get those guys.

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I would try to bring him

I would try to bring him back, but he's a guy who wants bright lights. He would leave Dallas and I would jump on Dalembert

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