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  • #20283
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    sacphil_08
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    The mavericks have always been able to be second best or even the top seed (a couple times) but its obvious that theyve lacked a number 2 guy to get them over the hump. Last year they went and got caron butler hoping he would be the answer and at times he was, but he obviously didnt do enough as dallas was upset in the first round by the spurs. My question is, will they trade their some of their assets to get that perimeter guy that can take pressure off of dirk. They have alot of guys that are tradeable towards obtaining at least an all star caliber wing player. Theres jason terry, roddy beaubouis (forgive me if i misspelled his name) erick dampier (expiring, unguaranteed contract), shawn marion, caron butler to name some. There were rumors that they were going to make a pass for joe johnson before he signed his lucrative contract in atlanta. I think that for the right number of guys, expiring contracts, draft picks etc. dallas could make a pass at like a danny granger or someone like that. A young guy that can flat out score the ball and take some of the offensive load off of dirk. Indiana would like to rebuild and im sure wouldnt mind taking expiring contracts going into next offseason in hopes of acquiring someone like a deron williams or a chris paul or carmelo anthony type of player. I personally believe that dirk is a sure shot hall of famer and the only thing he’s missing is a ring or two in order to unquestionably be inducted into the HOF and also be known as the best international player to play in the NBA. I would like to see dallas win a ring (although im a kings fan) because i feel like dirk never had enough to get a ring in the first place and he was given the blame for the debacle in the 06 finals and i feel he deserves at least 1 ring. He even took a paycut when he signed his extension this summer in hopes of getting another quality player. Imagine if dallas had waited 1 more year on devin harris…. We wouldnt be having this conversation right now

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  • #370236
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    sammybuckeye13
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    They are going to forever regret not getting Al Jefferson. They stubbornly demanded that the TWoves take on a couple of their bad contracts, but if they really wanted to win, they would have done whatever it took to get Jefferson. They’ve need a solid 2nd option AND a back-to-the-basket scorer and Jefferson perfectly fulfilled both needs. He’s a 20-10 guy over the past two years. With a lineup of Kidd-Butler-Marion-Nowitzki-Jefferson…man.

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  • #370242
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    doubledribbler
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    To be honest, I think if they had Jefferson there front line would have really gotten abused on the defensive end. Besides I think Jefferson would be better off as a 4 so that would mean either going with that super slow lineup or moving Nowitzki to the 3 which is going to get them burned as well. I think Dallas needs an injection of some kind of athleticism. Im hoping Dallas can find a way to make a move for Chris Paul though because I know they are the one team that will take on every bad contract New Orleans has though I’m not sure if a strictly salary dump move would be enough for New Orleans to do it because even though Dallas has Roddy, he’s probably not that much of a coup if you already have Collison and believe he can replicate what he did last year.

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  • #370244
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    “but he obviously didnt do enough as dallas was upset in the first round by the spurs.”

    Caron averaged 19.7ppg and 5.8rpg in the 1st round vs San Antonio. What the hell is he suppose to do? 25-8?

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  • #370262
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    sacphil_08
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    He may have averaged those numbers but they needed him to step up and help dirk like when they were facing elimination in game 6, dirk brought them all the way back and by the time he got them back in it, dallas started doubling him hard and thats when a caron butler is supposed to step up and take over the offensive load. Nevertheless, it couldve just been the timing. San antonio was playing really well at that time and dallas had only had that group of guys for a couple months so maybe there is more chemistry to be gained and if so we’ll see it this season and if not, then i think that by january they should try and make a move for a wing guy. In response to jefferson in dallas, i dont think he wouldve worked. I actually believe that their current front line of haywood and dirk is legit. Jefferson wouldve been a guy that would take away looks from dirk whereas a perimeter guy wont take looks away from dirk. Also jefferson doesnt play D and LA would destroy them up front

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  • #370265
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    Any chance of them pulling off a trade for Iguodala? I know that that would be a perfect combination. A scorer like dirk with Iggy going back to his defence of 2 years ago…that could be a title team.

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  • #370267
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    Jlv2010

    As long as they have a 7 footer who shoots jumpshots all day then it’s going to be early exits out of the playoffs all the time.

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  • #370274
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    sacphil_08

    Excuse me but Caron had 25pts in game 6, get your facts straight.

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  • #370276
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    TRC1991
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    +1 tongues-out

    sac_phil you’re sort of talking sports out of your ass man…the Mavericks have a bunch of weapons I’m blaming Rick Carlisle instead of Caron Butler for their problems

    if you cant win with nowitzki, kidd, terry, butler, marion, haywood, chandler, jones, barea, and beaubois then you dont deserve to be coaching in this league

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  • #370280
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    sacphil_08
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    He had 25 in game 6 but alot of those were when dallas was coming back from being down, once the game got close it was dirk all on his lonesome. Stats lie sometimes so learn basketball outside of stats and then we can have an actual conversation. Til then save your stat chatter for someone who wants to talk numbers and doesnt know any better

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  • #370282
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    Jlv2010

    Reason for Mavericks problems: Dirk Nowitski

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  • #370290
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    sacphil_08
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    To jlv2010 you must not have watched the playoffs over the last 8 seasons:

    2002: Dallas loses in the semifinals to the kings in 5 games
    2003: Dallas loses to the spurs in 6 in conference finals (dirk went down with injury in game 1 mind you)
    2004: Dallas loses in the first round to the kings 4 to 1
    2005: Dallas loses to phoenix in 6 games in the semis
    2006: Dallas loses in 6 in the NBA FINALS to the heat
    2007: Dallas loses in 6 to golden state in the first round (after going 67-15 i still dont know how to explain it)
    2008: Dallas loses in the first round to new orleans in 5
    2009: Dallas loses in first round to san antonio in 6
    So yes they have had some early exits but theyve also gone deep in the playoffs and theyve been a 50 win team for the last decade. Dirk is a bonafide hall of famer. His playoff stats are 27 ppg 8 reb and 3 assists a game. He also shoots 55% from the field to go with 57% from 3 in the playoffs so its not on dirk. He does his part its just dallas hasnt gone out and gotten a legit second guy to help him get there.

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  • #370293
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    Jlv2010

    2002-2009 = 0 championships. Time to go Dirk.

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  • #370298
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    sacphil_08
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    To taylor condrin:

    Just because dallas has a bunch of big names doesnt mean that they will get it done. Will they compliment each other well enough? Are they legitimately better than the other elite teams (yes except the lakers and thats who they have to get through) Do they have a truly dynamic guy on the wing that can get it done game in game out, AND hit big shots that will get them over the hump? Tongueoutlike23 says butler averaged 25 but he didnt hit big shots down the stretches of games once dirk was doubled. All those other guys (terry, kidd, beabouis, barea etc) arent guys that are going to say clear me a side so i can get a bucket. Theyre transition players and in the playoffs and esp in the end of games you arent going to get many transition opportunites which is why dallas hasnt won a championship in the last decade; theyve never had the guy other than dirk to get big buckets once dirk was doubled. Caron butler is supposed to be that guy. It might be too early to tell and we’ll find out next season but i think he’s beyond being an all star caliber guy every night now. I could be wrong but thats my opinion. Im saying they should go after a younger guy where you dont have to worry about his knees come playoff time, that has good to great athleticism and can hit open jumpers on a regular basis as well as create his own shot, which is why i brought up danny granger.

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  • #370299
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    Chrischi
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    Butler only shot 43% and wasn’t really consistent, he had 2 good games where his jumpers were falling, that’s why his ppg is so high. The main problem about him in the series was that he wasn’t really attacking the basket, he was mainly shooting jumpers, but the Mavs already have a lot of guys who shoot jumpers (Dirk, Kidd, Terry) and no1 who attacks, that’s why they got Caron akak Tough Juice. But he wasn’t aggressive enough, that’s why I think he wasn’t an effective 2nd option.

    Btw I agree with you TaylorCondrin. I think Rick Carlisle offensive system is too soft. I’m blaming Caron for taking too many Jumpers but it’s probably Carlisle system which forces him to do so.

    The Mavs have to win now, time is running out.

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  • #370304
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    Chrischi
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    I mean Butler already proved that he is close to a 20-5-5 guy and he was an All-Star and he’s tough, on the paper he is exactly what they need.

    The good thing though is that the Mavs finally, didn’t have any major changes like the years before, they can grow build some chemistry. Chandler seems pretty good aswell, he already outplayed Brook Lopez in the National Team. Both Chandler and Haywood provide defense which is great and which the Mavs need. Dojo seems like a solid pick-up aswell, a slasher and tough defender who already did great job defending on the lightning quick John Wall.

    And they still have capspace. Maybe they can pick up some other guys from teams who choose to rebuild.

    They also need a back-up PF. Would be cool if they got Amudson for a low price. They still lack a low-post presence though, is Scola still free? He would fit pretty well although he probably won’t play more than 20mpg which kinda sux because his salary would be around 5-7mil.

    The Mavs are also pretty high on Roddy B who has to get way more consistent to be a good PG. He had great games, but also a lot of games were he sucked.

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  • #370310
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    Mr. Jewboy
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    sacphil, u messed up dallas’s 2009 year with their 2010 year
    in 2009 they got to the conference semi’s and lost to denver, and only this year(2010) they lost to the spurs in 6

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  • #370397
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    doubledribbler
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    Don’t keep up with basketball much do you? Scola already signed. Butler wasn’t an all star this past year. Brook Lopez is recovering from an illness. I think mono, but I could be wrong. If signing Admundson is the guy that you think puts them over the top then they are in some serious trouble this year.

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  • #370400
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    TDOT_Ball
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    What Dallas really needs is a young, athletic player who commits on the defensive end. Seriously Dallas is loaded on the offensive end and has too much talent to never succeed in the playoffs. But if you look at all their top players, none of them are actually legit defenders other than maybe Caron Butler. Jason Kidd was good in his hay day but he nearing 40 now so he’s unreliable.We’ve already established the fact that they are poor defensively but they also have the oldest starting lineup in the league. NBA basketball has now become a game of explosion and athleticism. Beaubois and Dominique Jones are a start but that wont cut it. They need just need a youthful injection.
    In my honest opinion, I think Dallas should rebuild. It may sound crazy and stupid. but do you seriously see them surpassing the Lakers a s the top seed in the West now. By the time Kobe, Gasol, and Artest hang up the sneakers, So will Dirk, Kidd and Terry. Might as well trade your assets now while they are still valuable before they become too old and worthless.

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