[valentine]

 I HATE this topic so much… I’ve seen recent post saying Curry is now better than Lebron…… is this a fucking joke? like honestly?? I know he’s the best shooter in the game, but man.. please.. the kid is frail, doesn’t know how to post up and is a bad defender (credit his teammates, they hide that pretty well). 

Lebron is just better overall and will be for another 3-4 years, sorry Curry bandwagon fans, it’s 10 games in 1 regular season, the guy couldn’t even win the Finals MVP, (Lebron should’ve had it even if they lost).

when people bring this argument, first, just look at their finals stats against each other.

Second, Lebron has NEVER been on a better team than this Warrior team, he has NEVER had a team this deep and this versatile offensively and defensively. Please guys, let’s just put Curry on this injured cavs team and Lebron on the warriors, no1 would argue about this, it would have been a SWEEP. 

You guys need to chill the fuck out with Curry. 

Rant over.. 

-GREEKBALLER BALLIN

 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Please,  when do we stop giving Lebron a pass for his teammates.  Could it be that maybe marginalizes them?  I’m sure that’s blasphemy to most but it should at least be taken into consideration at this point.

Lebron played on a team with 2 other top ten players at one point so there is that….

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Furthermore since teammates are always the issue.maybe Lebron should stop playing GM?? 

Has there ever been a superstar that has more excuses made for them by the general public than Lebron?? Most other super stars… Or Kings if you will would get destroyed for their routine failures in the playoffs and finals, Lebron always gets a pass.

I do believe he is the best player in the game but I also believe he should be past the point of people STILL making excuses for him when he inevtibaly loses to the better Western Conference teams.

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

No excuses need to be made for him…   He might’ve went to teams with great players, but those players were always injured.   You can’t use D Wade, because for most of the playoffs with LeBron he was injured.   Chris Bosh wasn’t fully healthy sometimes either…

Look at last year with the Cavs..  LeBron lost K Love in the first round…   Kyrie was hobbling through most of the playoffs and couldn’t make it past game 1 of the finals… 

There’s no excuses if the teams he’s on best players aren’t playing….   The Warriors should’ve swept the Cavs if Iggy and Barnes hit their WIDE OPEN 3’s in games 2 & 3…   They doubled Steph and left them wide open…  They were shooting AIR BALLS from 3, even though they were wide open….

Mogs was guarding Iggy and Iggy walked below the free throw line to shoot jumpers…  This how open they were…  

And this isn’t going against Steph as a player (because I think he deserved Finals MVP more than any player on the floor), but majority of last year’s success was because of luck…

The teams they had trouble with they didn’t meet in the playoffs..   They benefitted from a Durantless WC…   They also played a Cavs team without 2 of their Top 3 players…  They only had one injury and that was Bogut (in the Finals)…   There’s no doubt the Cavs would’ve won the Finals with Kyrie and Love…

This year, Steph is playing amazing…   They’re 10-0 and Steph stepped up his game…  BUT he’s still not better than LeBron…  Period…  Stop trying to hand off the torch before players deserve it…  Please…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Magic JordanParticipant]

That’s funny you remember it that way….

Dwayne Wade playoff appearances with Lebron on his team

2010-11 21 games played – 39.4 MPG
2011-12 23 games played – 39.4 MPG
2012-13 22 games played – 35.5 MPg
2013-14 20 games played – 34.7 MPg

Chris Bosh –
2010-11 21 games played – 39.7 mpg
2011-12 14 games played – 31.4 mpg
2012-13 23 games played – 32.7 mpg
2013-14 20 games played – 34.3 mpg

So yeah, Bosh missed some games 1 year… other than that, both played…. a lot, and both produced…. Gosh I hate facts.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 In fact… Lebron is one Chris Bosh tip out away from being 1-5 in the NBA finals….

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 In fact… Lebron is one Chris Bosh tip out away from being 1-5 in the NBA finals….

[tuck243Participant]

THOSE MPG doesn’t attest to Dwyane being injured, ONLY playing during the playoffs…

Pacers series he was injured…

The last Spurs series he was injured…

 Draining knees and everything…

 Here’s an actual timeline, WHICH INCLUDES THE INJURIES IN THE PLAYOFFS.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1743142-timeline-of-dwyane-wades-lengthy-injury-history

 

This is my point…  I just like how people have selective memories.  The D Wade that was the explosive player in years prior wasn’t the same guy the entire time with LeBron.  That’s why the Heat signed him to that small contract..  Anyone who’ve watched the Heat during those years knew he was a former shell of himself.  The final year he struggled to make a layup versus the Spurs.  They had him guarding Boris Diaw and HE WAS KILLING D WADE.  Do you not remember this? 

"GOSH I HATE STATS"  should’ve been your actual punchline…  But stats doesn’t always tell the entire story… CLEARLY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

THOSE MPG doesn’t attest to Dwyane being injured, ONLY playing during the playoffs…

Pacers series he was injured…

The last Spurs series he was injured…

 Draining knees and everything…

 Here’s an actual timeline, WHICH INCLUDES THE INJURIES IN THE PLAYOFFS.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1743142-timeline-of-dwyane-wades-lengthy-injury-history

 

This is my point…  I just like how people have selective memories.  The D Wade that was the explosive player in years prior wasn’t the same guy the entire time with LeBron.  That’s why the Heat signed him to that small contract..  Anyone who’ve watched the Heat during those years knew he was a former shell of himself.  The final year he struggled to make a layup versus the Spurs.  They had him guarding Boris Diaw and HE WAS KILLING D WADE.  Do you not remember this? 

"GOSH I HATE STATS"  should’ve been your actual punchline…  But stats doesn’t always tell the entire story… CLEARLY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Magic JordanParticipant]

That’s funny you remember it that way….

Dwayne Wade playoff appearances with Lebron on his team

2010-11 21 games played – 39.4 MPG
2011-12 23 games played – 39.4 MPG
2012-13 22 games played – 35.5 MPg
2013-14 20 games played – 34.7 MPg

Chris Bosh –
2010-11 21 games played – 39.7 mpg
2011-12 14 games played – 31.4 mpg
2012-13 23 games played – 32.7 mpg
2013-14 20 games played – 34.3 mpg

So yeah, Bosh missed some games 1 year… other than that, both played…. a lot, and both produced…. Gosh I hate facts.

[tuck243Participant]

No excuses need to be made for him…   He might’ve went to teams with great players, but those players were always injured.   You can’t use D Wade, because for most of the playoffs with LeBron he was injured.   Chris Bosh wasn’t fully healthy sometimes either…

Look at last year with the Cavs..  LeBron lost K Love in the first round…   Kyrie was hobbling through most of the playoffs and couldn’t make it past game 1 of the finals… 

There’s no excuses if the teams he’s on best players aren’t playing….   The Warriors should’ve swept the Cavs if Iggy and Barnes hit their WIDE OPEN 3’s in games 2 & 3…   They doubled Steph and left them wide open…  They were shooting AIR BALLS from 3, even though they were wide open….

Mogs was guarding Iggy and Iggy walked below the free throw line to shoot jumpers…  This how open they were…  

And this isn’t going against Steph as a player (because I think he deserved Finals MVP more than any player on the floor), but majority of last year’s success was because of luck…

The teams they had trouble with they didn’t meet in the playoffs..   They benefitted from a Durantless WC…   They also played a Cavs team without 2 of their Top 3 players…  They only had one injury and that was Bogut (in the Finals)…   There’s no doubt the Cavs would’ve won the Finals with Kyrie and Love…

This year, Steph is playing amazing…   They’re 10-0 and Steph stepped up his game…  BUT he’s still not better than LeBron…  Period…  Stop trying to hand off the torch before players deserve it…  Please…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Furthermore since teammates are always the issue.maybe Lebron should stop playing GM?? 

Has there ever been a superstar that has more excuses made for them by the general public than Lebron?? Most other super stars… Or Kings if you will would get destroyed for their routine failures in the playoffs and finals, Lebron always gets a pass.

I do believe he is the best player in the game but I also believe he should be past the point of people STILL making excuses for him when he inevtibaly loses to the better Western Conference teams.

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I don’t put him ahead of Lebron yet but Lebron will be 31 in December….. so he has a few more "Prime" years left…. But I don’t understand why people keep looking for ways to knock Curry…. Harrison Barnes, Draymon Green, Andre Igudola & Klay Thompson are VERY good players but None are great players…. Golden State tried trading Klay Thompson for Kevin Love a year ago & were told flat out – "No… you need to include more talent…"      ……So the #3 option on Cleveland was considered too much better than GSW’s #2 option to trade straight up….

Lebron’s Miami team (when Healthy – was FAR better than this GSW team…)…. And the Finals MVP should have been Curry (Lebron would have been a great pick too but no way does a guy who does well in ONLY 3 of 6 games win a Finals MVP (one of THE single most pretigious awards in all of Pro Basketball)…. Just like Tim Duncan’s Interior Defense was the MAIN reason Miami (other than Lebron) just Quit in 2013…. So Duncan should have been the 2013 Finals MVP….

I’m no Lebron "Hater" – I LUV Lebron… I think he has been Great for the sport & doesn’t get the Credit he deserves for doing things that have Never been done before (like taking TWO average teams to Finals…) But this is not a Crazy out of Left Field question….

 What Curry is doing w/ GSW is clearly revolutionizing the game… They are stretching other teams to the breaking point & they are only getting better…. These guys are All the same age (roughly) & they look like a team on the verge of doing great things & Curry is the CLEAR leader & best player on that team…. 

So while I still put Lebron as #1 – Curry is in his rear view mirror & gaining fast….

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

GS didn’t want to give up Klay Thompson (at all honestly).   That’s the main reason that deal didn’t go through.  The GM didn’t want to give up Klay…

[tuck243Participant]

GS didn’t want to give up Klay Thompson (at all honestly).   That’s the main reason that deal didn’t go through.  The GM didn’t want to give up Klay…

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I don’t put him ahead of Lebron yet but Lebron will be 31 in December….. so he has a few more "Prime" years left…. But I don’t understand why people keep looking for ways to knock Curry…. Harrison Barnes, Draymon Green, Andre Igudola & Klay Thompson are VERY good players but None are great players…. Golden State tried trading Klay Thompson for Kevin Love a year ago & were told flat out – "No… you need to include more talent…"      ……So the #3 option on Cleveland was considered too much better than GSW’s #2 option to trade straight up….

Lebron’s Miami team (when Healthy – was FAR better than this GSW team…)…. And the Finals MVP should have been Curry (Lebron would have been a great pick too but no way does a guy who does well in ONLY 3 of 6 games win a Finals MVP (one of THE single most pretigious awards in all of Pro Basketball)…. Just like Tim Duncan’s Interior Defense was the MAIN reason Miami (other than Lebron) just Quit in 2013…. So Duncan should have been the 2013 Finals MVP….

I’m no Lebron "Hater" – I LUV Lebron… I think he has been Great for the sport & doesn’t get the Credit he deserves for doing things that have Never been done before (like taking TWO average teams to Finals…) But this is not a Crazy out of Left Field question….

 What Curry is doing w/ GSW is clearly revolutionizing the game… They are stretching other teams to the breaking point & they are only getting better…. These guys are All the same age (roughly) & they look like a team on the verge of doing great things & Curry is the CLEAR leader & best player on that team…. 

So while I still put Lebron as #1 – Curry is in his rear view mirror & gaining fast….

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Please,  when do we stop giving Lebron a pass for his teammates.  Could it be that maybe marginalizes them?  I’m sure that’s blasphemy to most but it should at least be taken into consideration at this point.

Lebron played on a team with 2 other top ten players at one point so there is that….

 

[tuck243Participant]

Please do…  

LeBron is still better than Steph…  Don’t do this…   Step off Steph’s bandwagon for now and don’t do this.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Management

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

Please do…  

LeBron is still better than Steph…  Don’t do this…   Step off Steph’s bandwagon for now and don’t do this.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Management

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[SubZeroParticipant]

Why does it matter if Steph can’t post up? I’m not saying he’s better than Lebron, but that’s not a good reason to support your argument. That’d be like saying Marc Gasol can’t be better than Melo because he can’t shoot 3s

[SubZeroParticipant]

Why does it matter if Steph can’t post up? I’m not saying he’s better than Lebron, but that’s not a good reason to support your argument. That’d be like saying Marc Gasol can’t be better than Melo because he can’t shoot 3s

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 If LeBron were surrounded by Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Festus Ezeli, and that solid bench then they LeBron would be undefeated.  But, you could say the same thing about Draymond Green…

If LeBron and Steph Curry traded places this year, I don’t think the Warriors would be undefeated at the moment.  

Steph Curry with Kevin Love, JR Smith, Mozgov, Tristan Thompson, Mo Williams, and Dellavadova MIGHT BE.  The wild card would be can JR Smith and Richard Jefferson do enough to space the floor at the small forward slot.  Imagine a Steph Curry-healthy Kyrie Irving backcourt.  They would be small and pretty bad on defense but they would be really hard to stop on offense.  

Curry and Kevin Love would be a great 1-2 punch.  

It would be interesting.  I think LeBron would work well with Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, and their center combo, but the Warriors would really be lacking at point guard.  Then I think LeBron and Draymond Green do the same thing so I think they would cancel each other out.  Livingston, Klay, Harrison Barnes, LeBron, and Ezeli would be your optimal starting five in my opinion.  Then you have Barbosa, Iggy, McAdoo, Draymond Green, and Bogut off the bench.  Not enough true point guard play off the bench (or shooting) but I like the size and defense.  

The current Warriors team is the best team out there.  The next best thing would be LeBron on the Warriors.  If Steph and LeBron switched places, the Warriors might have more holes than the Cavs, even though the Warriors look a bit deeper/younger.

Now, a small ball unit of Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, and Kevin Love?  Forget about it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

You do realize the Cavs lost one game so far right?  Without Kyrie, Shump, and JR in most of the games.

Outside of the Clippers, the Warriors haven’t beaten a healthy caliber playoff team.  I need you to simmer down…  

 

If you trade both players currently, I’ll just play LeBron at PG.  LeBron is a better on ball defender anyway…  

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

You do realize the Cavs lost one game so far right?  Without Kyrie, Shump, and JR in most of the games.

Outside of the Clippers, the Warriors haven’t beaten a healthy caliber playoff team.  I need you to simmer down…  

 

If you trade both players currently, I’ll just play LeBron at PG.  LeBron is a better on ball defender anyway…  

 

 

  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 If LeBron were surrounded by Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Festus Ezeli, and that solid bench then they LeBron would be undefeated.  But, you could say the same thing about Draymond Green…

If LeBron and Steph Curry traded places this year, I don’t think the Warriors would be undefeated at the moment.  

Steph Curry with Kevin Love, JR Smith, Mozgov, Tristan Thompson, Mo Williams, and Dellavadova MIGHT BE.  The wild card would be can JR Smith and Richard Jefferson do enough to space the floor at the small forward slot.  Imagine a Steph Curry-healthy Kyrie Irving backcourt.  They would be small and pretty bad on defense but they would be really hard to stop on offense.  

Curry and Kevin Love would be a great 1-2 punch.  

It would be interesting.  I think LeBron would work well with Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, and their center combo, but the Warriors would really be lacking at point guard.  Then I think LeBron and Draymond Green do the same thing so I think they would cancel each other out.  Livingston, Klay, Harrison Barnes, LeBron, and Ezeli would be your optimal starting five in my opinion.  Then you have Barbosa, Iggy, McAdoo, Draymond Green, and Bogut off the bench.  Not enough true point guard play off the bench (or shooting) but I like the size and defense.  

The current Warriors team is the best team out there.  The next best thing would be LeBron on the Warriors.  If Steph and LeBron switched places, the Warriors might have more holes than the Cavs, even though the Warriors look a bit deeper/younger.

Now, a small ball unit of Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, and Kevin Love?  Forget about it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pro-21Participant]

 Steph. Curry is unquestionably playing the best basketball in the NBA right now. Anyone arguing that is foolish. If he keeps up this pace, even a notch below, it might actually be the greatest guard season ever, and that includes MJ. 33 ppg on 47% 3pt FG and 53.2 FG%? 5 3pointers in a game? He is the league’s first high-volume shooting high percentage 3 point shooter, and that makes him the best offensive player the league has at this point.

 

With that said, I evaluate the best players on how well they can carry a terrible team. Put LeBron on the 76ers, they easily go to the ECF, if not the finals. if you put Curry on the 76ers, i don’t see them getting to the finals. LeBron’s size, athleticism and Bball iq simply allows him to do more than any player in history. He roughly the equivalent of having three allstars on your team, and in terms of success, that’s not even far off. 

 

 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 Well-put. Fair. 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 Well-put. Fair. 

[Pro-21Participant]

 Steph. Curry is unquestionably playing the best basketball in the NBA right now. Anyone arguing that is foolish. If he keeps up this pace, even a notch below, it might actually be the greatest guard season ever, and that includes MJ. 33 ppg on 47% 3pt FG and 53.2 FG%? 5 3pointers in a game? He is the league’s first high-volume shooting high percentage 3 point shooter, and that makes him the best offensive player the league has at this point.

 

With that said, I evaluate the best players on how well they can carry a terrible team. Put LeBron on the 76ers, they easily go to the ECF, if not the finals. if you put Curry on the 76ers, i don’t see them getting to the finals. LeBron’s size, athleticism and Bball iq simply allows him to do more than any player in history. He roughly the equivalent of having three allstars on your team, and in terms of success, that’s not even far off. 

 

 

[giddyup123Participant]

Your rant is pathetic. You just throwed out the most subjective observations and hypothetical statements showing your obvious lack of basketball knoweldge (sorry for the condescending statement, but you need to be enlightened)

1. you obviously haven’t been watching Stephen Curry this year. His defense is actually really impressive and while he does gamble a good amount, it tends to pay off more often than not. And this is part of the W’s defensive scheme, the more they get out and run the more they score (and they still remain a top-3 defense in the league)

2. I would argue that Stephen Curry makes his teamates better than Lebron. Yeah, he shoots a lot but he’s the best m*&%^$f*^%!#g shooter the game has ever seen… that said, he is still incredibly selfless and possibly the best passer/dribbler/setup man in the league. He is so guarded and feared by the D that it litteraly makes it 4 on 3 for his teammates on a lot of possessions. 

3. If you can score without posting up, than what is the f^%#ing point of posting up. It doesn’t matter that you can’t post-up if you have more effective ways of scoring (especially when you’re shooting >45% on threes)

4. Saying he is frail is stupid, that doesn’t even make sense. You going to call Kevin Durant not in that conversation because he is frail? STFU

5. Looking at their finals stats lined up? WTF? you just said it yourself, Lebron had less support, of course he is going to have better stats!

6. Also, your comments about the final… Remember when Lebron, D-Wade (in his prime), and Chris Bosh played against Dirk and the Mavs in the finals a couple years back. The next best player on that team was either Caron Butler, Tyson Chandler, or Jason Terry… The whole supporting cast argument is super hypothetical and is so narrow-minded

I’m not saying Steph is better, but honestly, I think it is a legitimate arguement. You claiming that the argument is an "MFing joke" is absolutely disrepcting Stephen Curry. He is absolutely world class, he’s the best shooter in the history of the game by an obvious margin I think we can all see now (which, not sure if you realized, putting the ball in the basket is sort of important) and the amount he is guarded and the threat he brings to the court is amazing and opens up so much for his teammates ("4 on 3" that Walton and Kerr so often reference)

 

 

 

 

 

[giddyup123Participant]

Your rant is pathetic. You just throwed out the most subjective observations and hypothetical statements showing your obvious lack of basketball knoweldge (sorry for the condescending statement, but you need to be enlightened)

1. you obviously haven’t been watching Stephen Curry this year. His defense is actually really impressive and while he does gamble a good amount, it tends to pay off more often than not. And this is part of the W’s defensive scheme, the more they get out and run the more they score (and they still remain a top-3 defense in the league)

2. I would argue that Stephen Curry makes his teamates better than Lebron. Yeah, he shoots a lot but he’s the best m*&%^$f*^%!#g shooter the game has ever seen… that said, he is still incredibly selfless and possibly the best passer/dribbler/setup man in the league. He is so guarded and feared by the D that it litteraly makes it 4 on 3 for his teammates on a lot of possessions. 

3. If you can score without posting up, than what is the f^%#ing point of posting up. It doesn’t matter that you can’t post-up if you have more effective ways of scoring (especially when you’re shooting >45% on threes)

4. Saying he is frail is stupid, that doesn’t even make sense. You going to call Kevin Durant not in that conversation because he is frail? STFU

5. Looking at their finals stats lined up? WTF? you just said it yourself, Lebron had less support, of course he is going to have better stats!

6. Also, your comments about the final… Remember when Lebron, D-Wade (in his prime), and Chris Bosh played against Dirk and the Mavs in the finals a couple years back. The next best player on that team was either Caron Butler, Tyson Chandler, or Jason Terry… The whole supporting cast argument is super hypothetical and is so narrow-minded

I’m not saying Steph is better, but honestly, I think it is a legitimate arguement. You claiming that the argument is an "MFing joke" is absolutely disrepcting Stephen Curry. He is absolutely world class, he’s the best shooter in the history of the game by an obvious margin I think we can all see now (which, not sure if you realized, putting the ball in the basket is sort of important) and the amount he is guarded and the threat he brings to the court is amazing and opens up so much for his teammates ("4 on 3" that Walton and Kerr so often reference)

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Eh.  If you traded LeBron for Steph Curry straight up it would create some holes on both teams.  The Cavs would have straight up junk at small forward, and the Warriors wouldn’t have a first rate point guard and only one backup type point guard in their entire lineup (Shaun Livingston).

I think LeBron and Kyrie Irving for Steph Curry and Andre Iguodala would be a GREAT trade.

Then each team would have weapons (and depth) at every position.

Hmm.  Still might take Steph.  He and Love would be deadly.  Then he has TT as a rebounder and defender inside.  Mozgov is legit.  Andy V is a good backup.  Iggy would give the Cavs a great wing defender, and a guy who can score some and handle the ball a bit.  JR Smith and Mo Williams have tons of range.  Delly can defend and scrap at point guard or as a small ball 2.  Richard Jefferson and James Jones are very limited but they can space the floor and hit enough 3’s to be effective as their other small options.

It would be the same as last year’s Finals only flipping sides.  Nobody could guard Steph Curry.  But, Iggy can guard LeBron.  Then Kevin Love would/might be healthy for the Cavs.

I also think that LeBron and Draymond might not fit in at the same time.  So, they might need to go LeBron at the 4 and Barnes at the 3.  Then bring Draymond Green off the bench.  

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

If the Cavs been healthy last year (with at least Kyrie) the Cavs most likely would’ve won…

The Warriors biggest asset is that they’re deep as a TEAM.  With a lot of players that can play multiple positions and able to guard their man.  The only player that get "hid" on defense is Steph honestly…  They play good sound defense and don’t over commit on their man.

If you swap players (like you originally said) then the Warriors will still be the team they are today. Why wouldn’t you put LeBron at PG?  Klay guard the best player in the back court anyway…  Hell…  If you swap Curry for Westbrook, they would be.   I’m not saying Curry isn’t a great player…  But don’t act like he’s somehow Jordan now.

He’s still doing all this while shooting jumpers.  We have to see how long he can keep this up for starters.  I’m positive he can’t continue to shoot over 47% from 3 all year long…

 

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

If the Cavs been healthy last year (with at least Kyrie) the Cavs most likely would’ve won…

The Warriors biggest asset is that they’re deep as a TEAM.  With a lot of players that can play multiple positions and able to guard their man.  The only player that get "hid" on defense is Steph honestly…  They play good sound defense and don’t over commit on their man.

If you swap players (like you originally said) then the Warriors will still be the team they are today. Why wouldn’t you put LeBron at PG?  Klay guard the best player in the back court anyway…  Hell…  If you swap Curry for Westbrook, they would be.   I’m not saying Curry isn’t a great player…  But don’t act like he’s somehow Jordan now.

He’s still doing all this while shooting jumpers.  We have to see how long he can keep this up for starters.  I’m positive he can’t continue to shoot over 47% from 3 all year long…

 

 

 

  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Eh.  If you traded LeBron for Steph Curry straight up it would create some holes on both teams.  The Cavs would have straight up junk at small forward, and the Warriors wouldn’t have a first rate point guard and only one backup type point guard in their entire lineup (Shaun Livingston).

I think LeBron and Kyrie Irving for Steph Curry and Andre Iguodala would be a GREAT trade.

Then each team would have weapons (and depth) at every position.

Hmm.  Still might take Steph.  He and Love would be deadly.  Then he has TT as a rebounder and defender inside.  Mozgov is legit.  Andy V is a good backup.  Iggy would give the Cavs a great wing defender, and a guy who can score some and handle the ball a bit.  JR Smith and Mo Williams have tons of range.  Delly can defend and scrap at point guard or as a small ball 2.  Richard Jefferson and James Jones are very limited but they can space the floor and hit enough 3’s to be effective as their other small options.

It would be the same as last year’s Finals only flipping sides.  Nobody could guard Steph Curry.  But, Iggy can guard LeBron.  Then Kevin Love would/might be healthy for the Cavs.

I also think that LeBron and Draymond might not fit in at the same time.  So, they might need to go LeBron at the 4 and Barnes at the 3.  Then bring Draymond Green off the bench.  

 

 

  

[BKGingerSnapParticipant]

Steph Curry is the best player in the NBA. LeBron doesn’t play 100% in the regular season anymore. Yes playoff version of LeBron still has the highest ceiling, but he doesn’t play that way every game any more. Curry is on a war path because everyone who doubted him. Curry’s shooting and overall game is so balling right now that he is hands down the best player in the league.

Will this continue? maybe

But until this ends:

 

Per game stats 

Mins: 34.3

PPG: 33.3

FG%: .532

3PG%: 473

FT%: .926

Rebounds: 5.3

Assists: 5.5

Curry is the best player in the league

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BKGingerSnapParticipant]

Steph Curry is the best player in the NBA. LeBron doesn’t play 100% in the regular season anymore. Yes playoff version of LeBron still has the highest ceiling, but he doesn’t play that way every game any more. Curry is on a war path because everyone who doubted him. Curry’s shooting and overall game is so balling right now that he is hands down the best player in the league.

Will this continue? maybe

But until this ends:

 

Per game stats 

Mins: 34.3

PPG: 33.3

FG%: .532

3PG%: 473

FT%: .926

Rebounds: 5.3

Assists: 5.5

Curry is the best player in the league

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Greek-Baller]

 Think I lack basketball knowledge? you just said Curry was better than Lebron , there you go buddy you suck, go back to working at Mcdonalds, giddyup you are just pathetic lol, Im basically a troll on this site and have more points than you, you suck my friend lol. 

[Greek-Baller]

 Think I lack basketball knowledge? you just said Curry was better than Lebron , there you go buddy you suck, go back to working at Mcdonalds, giddyup you are just pathetic lol, Im basically a troll on this site and have more points than you, you suck my friend lol. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 LBJ is a legend. Steph is the MVP and is having an amazing start to the season. They play different positions so to say who is better will always be subjective. People will put LBJ, Curry, KD, Westbrook, Harden, AD etc in various orders when selecting their top NBA player.

A lot also does depend on what a player does in the play offs and how many finals they win. A lot of people say LBJ is 2-4 in NBA finals but few other superstars will reach 6 NBA finals in their career. 

There will be a time in the next few years where LBJ may not be seen as the best player in the NBA but he still may well be seen as one of the best big game players and a guy you’d want with the ball rather than a younger more prolific but not as consistent counterpart.

The way Curry is going, he stands a great chance to be a repeat MVP and he’s been a leading All Star vote getter,merch seller so he has made the step from a great player to a true superstar. On current form he is up there or better than LBJ perhaps but LBJ is still seen as the top dog in the NBA when it comes to the crunch I think.

 

 

  

[HitsterParticipant]

 LBJ is a legend. Steph is the MVP and is having an amazing start to the season. They play different positions so to say who is better will always be subjective. People will put LBJ, Curry, KD, Westbrook, Harden, AD etc in various orders when selecting their top NBA player.

A lot also does depend on what a player does in the play offs and how many finals they win. A lot of people say LBJ is 2-4 in NBA finals but few other superstars will reach 6 NBA finals in their career. 

There will be a time in the next few years where LBJ may not be seen as the best player in the NBA but he still may well be seen as one of the best big game players and a guy you’d want with the ball rather than a younger more prolific but not as consistent counterpart.

The way Curry is going, he stands a great chance to be a repeat MVP and he’s been a leading All Star vote getter,merch seller so he has made the step from a great player to a true superstar. On current form he is up there or better than LBJ perhaps but LBJ is still seen as the top dog in the NBA when it comes to the crunch I think.

 

 

  

[Greek-Baller]

 the fact is Lebron has so many haters, everyone wants the lil frail dude who can’t grow a proper mustache and seem to have just hit puberty to overtake him it’s that simple.. But he won’t sorry Lebron is a legend and is one of the GOAT, Curry ain’t.

[Greek-Baller]

 the fact is Lebron has so many haters, everyone wants the lil frail dude who can’t grow a proper mustache and seem to have just hit puberty to overtake him it’s that simple.. But he won’t sorry Lebron is a legend and is one of the GOAT, Curry ain’t.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 Curry is better right now.  I think he has overtaken Lebron at this point.  I think that, should this continue and Steph stay healthy, it will become obvious.  I remember a few years where Lebron was the best in the league and everyone was still claiming Kobe because he was a legend.  It changes, and we may be witnessing that change right now.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 Curry is better right now.  I think he has overtaken Lebron at this point.  I think that, should this continue and Steph stay healthy, it will become obvious.  I remember a few years where Lebron was the best in the league and everyone was still claiming Kobe because he was a legend.  It changes, and we may be witnessing that change right now.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

LeBron is 6′ 8" 250 lbs… There are just things he can do, due to his size, strength and athleticism, at both ends of the floor that Steph can’t do. LeBron is still the best overall player in the league. Nobody plays better isolation/hero basketball. He can get your team 50 wins and a trip to the finals just by playing spread offense and sending him a high screen. 

However, I DO like Steph better though. *ESPECIALLY* at the offensive end. Obviously because of his shooting, but he’s also a great all-around offensive player as well. And he doesn’t have to play hero ball. He can get 35-45 in the flow of the offense while playing the game the right way. With or without the ball. Like he can get an unselfish and EFFICIENT 40 points. With LeBron, due to his ball dominant/hero ball nature, players have to sacrifice their games to play with him. It’s arguable that he doesn’t get the max out of All-Star caliber teammates. LeBron is wierd. He plays better with role players in my opinion. The problem is, they come up short vs great teams in the playoffs/finals and then people will throw out the "LeBron had to do it by himself" excuse and he needs All-Stars. What All-Star wants to sacrifice his game to be a role player though? This was the problem with Love last season.  

If I’m an All-Star caliber player, I’d rather play with Steph. If I’m a role player who just wants to rebound, play a set role, catch and shoot, etc… Then I’d probably play with LeBron. I mean, you have a chance at a ring every season. Steph has yet to prove that yet. Being a role player with LeBron comes with a lot of scrutiny though… When you’re making catch and shoot shots, you’re great… When you’re not, you suck and LeBron needs better teammates. 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

LeBron is 6′ 8" 250 lbs… There are just things he can do, due to his size, strength and athleticism, at both ends of the floor that Steph can’t do. LeBron is still the best overall player in the league. Nobody plays better isolation/hero basketball. He can get your team 50 wins and a trip to the finals just by playing spread offense and sending him a high screen. 

However, I DO like Steph better though. *ESPECIALLY* at the offensive end. Obviously because of his shooting, but he’s also a great all-around offensive player as well. And he doesn’t have to play hero ball. He can get 35-45 in the flow of the offense while playing the game the right way. With or without the ball. Like he can get an unselfish and EFFICIENT 40 points. With LeBron, due to his ball dominant/hero ball nature, players have to sacrifice their games to play with him. It’s arguable that he doesn’t get the max out of All-Star caliber teammates. LeBron is wierd. He plays better with role players in my opinion. The problem is, they come up short vs great teams in the playoffs/finals and then people will throw out the "LeBron had to do it by himself" excuse and he needs All-Stars. What All-Star wants to sacrifice his game to be a role player though? This was the problem with Love last season.  

If I’m an All-Star caliber player, I’d rather play with Steph. If I’m a role player who just wants to rebound, play a set role, catch and shoot, etc… Then I’d probably play with LeBron. I mean, you have a chance at a ring every season. Steph has yet to prove that yet. Being a role player with LeBron comes with a lot of scrutiny though… When you’re making catch and shoot shots, you’re great… When you’re not, you suck and LeBron needs better teammates. 

 

[iguapops420Participant]

 Westbrook is the best player in the game right now. Lebron no longer plays d and his jumper has regressed after becoming a damn good shooter for about 3 years. Curry isn’t the greatest defender, but he’s not the Nash level defender he’s made out to be either. Btw, since we’re talking about luck getting to the finals, how many 50 win teams has LBJ beat in the playoffs during his career. 

Kobe – 24

MJ- 20

Timmy- 18

Magic- 13

Larry- 10

LBJ- 7

So don’t tell me about how LBJ has had a tough go of it. He’s played in the easiest conference in 25 years, playing against only 7 50 win teams while teaming with two other HOF level talents yet still has come up with a grand total of 2-6 in the finals. Guess he needs a little more luck huh?

[iguapops420Participant]

 Westbrook is the best player in the game right now. Lebron no longer plays d and his jumper has regressed after becoming a damn good shooter for about 3 years. Curry isn’t the greatest defender, but he’s not the Nash level defender he’s made out to be either. Btw, since we’re talking about luck getting to the finals, how many 50 win teams has LBJ beat in the playoffs during his career. 

Kobe – 24

MJ- 20

Timmy- 18

Magic- 13

Larry- 10

LBJ- 7

So don’t tell me about how LBJ has had a tough go of it. He’s played in the easiest conference in 25 years, playing against only 7 50 win teams while teaming with two other HOF level talents yet still has come up with a grand total of 2-6 in the finals. Guess he needs a little more luck huh?

[iguapops420Participant]

 Might I add in regards to Indy, LBJ is great in spread and great at making marginal talent look good I.e. Delly, Boobie Gibson, James Jones, etc., but he doesn’t seem to be great at making great players play their best. In fact, he’s better at making themlook worse.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Might I add in regards to Indy, LBJ is great in spread and great at making marginal talent look good I.e. Delly, Boobie Gibson, James Jones, etc., but he doesn’t seem to be great at making great players play their best. In fact, he’s better at making themlook worse.

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