CP3 to the Nets?
Let me preface this by saying that I know the Nets weren't listed as one of Chris Paul's preferred teams. However, I think there's a scenario in which Chris Paul could go to the Nets.
The Nets trade to the Hornets:
-Future 1st round pick
The Nets get Chris Paul
The Hornets then send Favors and Harris to the Pacers for Danny Granger, a trade the Pacers have wanted to make with the Nets for a long time.
So the Hornets end up getting:
-Future 1st round pick
Why this makes sense: Danny Granger is better than any player I've seen named in a proposed trade. They also get a young talent in Lee and a future 1st round pick. The Nets make some big noise in acquiring Paul something Prokhorov wants to do. They don't need Lee with Morrow and T-Will and would have some cap space to go after someone next year. They would have a huge hole at power forward that they would probably need to make a subsequent trade to address. The Pacers badly need a point guard and have been trying to get that deal done for awhile.
Two problems: Chris Paul didn't list the Nets and the Hornets don't dump Okafor's contract.
I'm not sure if the Nets win on that one, especially since they have no PF if they get rid of Favors and traded away Yi
I agree with aj, I dont think the Nets would make that deal because they're giving a PF they desperately need while giving up there starting 2 guard and a future lottery pick in what could be a deep draft. While nowhere as good as Paul, D.Harris proved he can produce at a star level as long as he is asked to score the ball instead of run the team(when they had Vince Carter he ran the offense half the time.) Now they have a developed Terrence Williams who can take some of the PG duties away from Harris as the starting SF and let Devin do what he does best. Besides Chris Paul will be back to where he started if you trade all those players away from the Nets.
The Nets would be around $16 million under the cap next year. With Lopez and Paul they would definitely have to players in Melo sweepstakes. Lopez, Paul and Melo would be a pretty good big 3.
They currently have Courtney Lee, Anthony Morrow, Travis Outlaw, Quinton Ross, Terrence Williams and Damion James at the sg/sf. So Courtney Lee is expendable. Favors would be toughest to part with and I said in my original post that they would have a huge gap at pf.
I mentioned making a subsequent trade, but they could possibly trade T-Will for Jason Thompson or Damion James and 2 future 2nd round picks (their own and the one they obtained in the cdr trade)
I don't think they should trade T-Will. He's going to be really good
the whole reason cp3 wants out is bcuz he wants to win championships and the easiest way to that is ethier go to a great team missing a peice (la, orlando, dallas, t-blazers) or a team that will hav cap to sign a max guy in 2011 (knicks, nets, t-wolves). the t-wolves are a hail mary at best. the nets have to probaly give up harris, favors or t-williams + another wing and draft picks leaving them with numberos of wholes in the roster. NY is the better place for cp3 becuz they got amare, gallanari, which will be more attractive to melo. this could also be benifit the hornets becuz theyll likely recive a- randolph, edy curry expiring deal, w- chandler and picks( if they hav any).
u might be thinking why i belive NY's offer is better that new jerseys.
1. they get an expiring contract (they have some terrible contracts okeafor/posey and e-currys contarct will shed sum payroll)
2. harris, favors/t-will pakage seems intriging, favors a raw big man with high poentetial but i doubt ney jesey will give up favors, they are more likey to add picks and yes jersey offers better players but harris is not needed as they have a good young pg(needing pt), and planty of wings wright, pondexter, posey, thorton, through in peja . chandler, and randolph are players that can help NO right away at a cheap price. thell be able to fill vacant starter roles and have much upside.
if new orleans decides to trade cp3 they shouldnt care about his demands he doesnt own a no-trade claws in his contarct and i dont care how good a player organozation relationship is once u ask for trade the team should be looking to imporve them selves before they meet players tam demands.
I think you are missing out on a couple facts:
1. the deal I proposed would have the hornets getting granger, lee and a 1st round pick. granger, lee and a 1st round pick is much better than chandler and randolph. chandler and randolph doesn't work either, check it in the trade machine.
2. if the knicks take on okafor's contract in exchange for curry's expiring contract they will not get melo. okafor, paul and amar'e would take up approximately $46 million add in about 7 million for felton and that $53 million. the max that the knicks would be able to give melo at that point is a mle. the deal i proposed would leave the nets with enough cap space to sign melo.
3. you think the nets would have to give up t-will, but the knicks can keep gallo. explain your logic on that one.
So btown is David Kahn?
He must be saving his money to make a run a run at John Bryant.
they cant trade a player back to back like that its against the cba.. and really that makes the teams the same as they started out pretty much... cp3 going to the lakers... the hornets don't need to get a pg in return.. they already got collision and Thornton.
this can be done as a 3 way deal:
Nets receive: Chris Paul
Hornets receive: Granger, Lee, 1st round pick
Pacers receive: Harris and Favors
This doesn't have the Hornets getting a point guard in return so I don't know what you are talking about. They get a sg, sf, and a pick no pgs.
HAHAHAH no free agent is coming to crummy new jersey.... chris paul does not want to play for your blueprint to greatness team anyways. Enjoy travis outlaw and johan petro. New Jersey is pathetic and will need at least a decade in BK to get some respectability. Scola turned down a 5 year 55 million offer and took 47 from the rockets, players avoid the nets like the plague because the area sucks, the fans suck, the team sucks etc.
what flexibility does chris paul have? the hornets will take the best deal and if it happens to be from the nets then so be it.
scola didn't turn down a 5 year 55 million offer from the nets. the nets were prepared to give him a big offer rumored to be around that amount, but didn't actually offer it to him. scola was a restricted fa and the rockets said they were prepared to match any offer. if he had known the nets were serious about offering a 5 year 55 million don't you think he would have signed the offer sheet and allow the rockets to match so he can make more money?
you said melo would follow paul to NJ that's what i was laughing at. its about time that pathetic team took down that billboard.
i think you are confusing the nets with the knicks in terms of who has been pathetic recently. the nets made it to the nba finals twice in the past decade. the knicks have been in the playoffs once in the past nine years and that year they were swept by the nets in the first round. no one wants to go to new jersey? kidd nearly won an mvp in jersey, finished 2nd to tim duncan and many people believed he should have won it that year. the knicks haven't had a player close to kidd's level since ewing.
the area sucks? they are moving to the prudential center, a very nice arena in newark which is about 10 miles from nyc. they don't play in the meadowlands anymore in case you don't realize that.
melo would only have to play one year in new jersey before they move to brooklyn. brooklyn has a population of 2.5 million, very close in size to chicago and about 5 times the size of miami. the brooklyn dodgers fans were some of the most loyal fans in the history of sports and the city's been dying for a team ever since they move to la.
ye u went to the finals and still couldnt sell out an arena, regardless of how successful the nets have been or will be in the near future they are still the unwanted stepchild in the NY area.
they played in the oldest arena in the league, in a bad area. the prudential center is an immediate upgrade and they'll sellout games in brooklyn when they move in two years.
So, after reading this thread i thought of a crazy 4 team trade that, i think, helps out every team.. So yes, i know it will never, ever happen, but its just for fun, so here it goes:
NJ trades: Lee, Harris, Favors,1st round pick and maybe second round picks..
NO trades: Paul and Okafor
IND trades: Granger and Price
DET trades: Villanueva and Wilcox
NJ gets: Paul and Villanueva
NO gets: Granger, Lee, Price, Wilcox, NJ first round pick and NJ second round pick.
IND gets: Harris, Favors, and NJ second round pick.
DET gets: Okafor
NJ lineup: Paul, Morrow, Williams, Villanueva, Lopez
NO lineup: Collison, Lee, Granger, West, Wilcox
IND lineup: Harris, Rush, Dunlavy, Murphy, Hibbert
DET lineup: Stuckey, Hamilton, Prince, Monroe, Okafor
But its cool. We heard nothing from them for a decade (ESPEACIALLY during the Kidd era) Now they pay 100 million for a PF with bad knees, one bad eye and who does not like to defend or rebound and they won't shut up...lol. Join the rest of us and wake up! Just as Cleveland, Chicago and New Jersey did... YOU LOST Lebron. For 2 years your plan was Lebron is coming...LOL. Talk about pathetic? Only city that begged more for Lebron was Cleveland and I live in NYC. He made his "Decision" just a few miles from your training Facility and hopped his behind on a plane to Miami.
You have NO PICKS and will have to trade Chandler, Gallo, Toney Douglas and Randolph to even have a shot at CP3 and MeLo. Even if you pull it off. Your super big 3 will be marred by injury. Paul and Amare will both need Surgeries within the next 2 years. In which time the Nets will be opening up thier trendy brand new Arena Downtown Brooklyn.
Your Coach doesn't believe in defense and has never been to the Finals. When you get down to it. The smart players know you have to defend to win. Lets see our squad and your squad look by seasons end. We will have about 30-40 wins Avery will win coach of the year(AGAIN) if we finish at .500. And the Knicks will fight to win 30. Book IT! Amare wont look so good without 2 time MVP Steve Nash. Take that to the bank.
Nets own the Knicks, thats what Ive learned from this thread.
i didnt have any details about granger being involed
Yea, the Nets own the thread
Tossing 40 million dollars to Ty Thomas really made me say: Why are not like NJ?
Watching them losing 70 games last season really made me think: If only we were like them.
Trade I came up with:
Trade I just came up with:
Pacers get the PG they long covet without having to give up Granger. They also get a starting big man. Nets get their super star PG while still keeping Brook Lopez and Favors. Hornets get rid of Okafor and Posey's contract while getting all huge expirings including getting the bird rights to Terrence Williams and Roy Hibbert, 2 potential building blocks with Collison and Thornton. With 4 of their 5 starters being young guns the Hornets could then turn David West into a couple nice PF prospects maybe like a Jason Thompson or Carl Landry and truly have one of the most talented young rosters in the NBA.
PG: Devin Harris/A.J. Price
SG: Paul George/Lance Stephenson
SF: Danny Granger/Brandon Rush
PF: Tyler Hansborough/Magnum Rolle
C: Emeka Okafor/Jeff Foster
New Jersey Lineup:
PG: Chris Paul/Jordan Farmar
SG: Anthony Morrow/Courtney Lee/James Posey
SF: Travis Outlaw/Damion James
PF: Derrick Favors/Kris Humphries
C: Brook Lopez/Johan Petro
New Orleans Lineup:
PG: Darren Collison/T.J. Ford
SG: Marcus Thornton/Mike Dunleavy
SF: Terrence Williams/Peja Stojakavic
PF: David West/Troy Murphy/Julian Wright
C: Roy Hibbert/Craig Brackins