Cousins at the 4?
Here is an interesting article (linked below) written by James Ham about the Kings decision makers and DeMarcus Cousins.
LAS VEGAS – New Sacramento Kings owner Vivek Ranadivé made an interesting admission when he paid a visit to Team USA mini-camp at in Las Vegas on Tuesday. Something that required further digging.
“He’s part of the team, so we consult him on moves we’re looking at making,” Ranadivé told reporters of his star big man DeMarcus Cousins. “He’s helping us recruit players, so he’s very much the foundation of this team right now.”
While the statement is innocent enough on its face, it brought into question the timing of the Kings contingent’s visit to Alabama before the they decided not to match the New Orleans Pelicans’ offer for Tyreke Evans and instead, work out a trade for point guard Greivis Vasquez.
According to Cousins, the decision whether to keep Evans was never brought to him. Instead, the focus was on getting to know him as an individual and seeing where he was most at ease on the court.
“They wanted to know which position was I comfortable playing and I let them know probably the four,” Cousins said yesterday.
Cousins was more specific with what type of player he would like to be paired with when he spoke to media Tuesday.
“I love playing with Jason Thompson,” Cousins said. ”Don’t get me wrong, but I believe I would play better if I had a shot-blocking big. I’m not the greatest shot blocker and I can move to the four and play my natural position. I can balance it out either way.”
Playing alongside Larry Sanders, DeAndre Jordan, Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond this week in Vegas has only strengthened this belief for Cousins.
Pete D’Alessandro was in the stands Wednesday to catch a glimpse at his team’s starting center. The Kings new GM wouldn’t get into specifics about the conversation he and Cousins had in Alabama, but clearly the two are on a similar page.
“What I’m really looking to do is find the right blend and mix of talent,” D’Alessandro said. “And whatever information I can get from anywhere, I’m going to get that in terms of making that blend.
“We’re doing everything we can to make this team better,” D’Alessandro added. “We really are. No stone will be left unturned.”
The Kings have been looking under some pretty big “stones” lately, including rumors of interest in former 2007 No. 1 overall selection Greg Oden and restricted free agent center Timofey Mozgov. Is Cousins’ preference to move to power forward the reason the Kings are apparently chasing these players? The 22-year-old big man seems to think so.
“Absolutely, that is why,” Cousins said.
D’Alessandro has been extremely open about how he looks for information and ideas, be it from scouts like George McCloud, websites online or or by picking the brains of current players.
“I’m a firm believer that there is great information everywhere and I said that in my introductory press conference,” D’Alessandro said. “I’m a person who likes to talk to people, who likes to hear things, so my ears are all open with everyone.”
At the end of the day, D’Alessandro has a monumental task in front of him. He is taxed with turning around a franchise that has been run into the ground while at the same time appeasing one of the league’s most polarizing players.
“As an organization, we are trying to get there,” D’Alessandro told Cowbell Kingdom. “And I think the great part is DeMarcus buys into that. He wants success as well.”
The questions here are:
1. Is Cousins playing the four position next to a defensive minded big a good move for the Kings?
2. What players could the Kings target through trades if they do not land either Oden or Mozgov?
1. If Cousins is most comfortable at the 4, and you have no reason not to move him there (ie someone more valuable occupying that position) I don't see why it wouldn't be a good move. It sounds like they've made him their keystone, and keeping him happy is very important. A disgruntled Cousins will be dangerous to your team chemistry.
2. There aren't many options for the Kings through trade because they don't have much to offer in return outside of picks which could be crucial depending on which route they take to rebuild. The only shot-blocking big who I think may be on the block this winter is Marcin Gortat so far. Maybe Charlotte loses interest in Biyombo and dangles him in the market. Even bigger maybe the Bucks decide to blow it up and Larry Sanders becomes available. But, they ptobably hold onto him because he's still young. Even then, they'll be asking more than what the Kings can most likely offer. I think at this point their best bet outside of Oden or Mozgov is Gortat. Again, the Suns may be asking for more in return than the Kings can offer or receive better offers from other teams.
Dude your 6'11" 270+pounds your a Center not a Power forward, man up & play defense.
6'11" is a generous assumption. He's more like 6'9" 1/2 and he's not terribly athletic so he's not and ideal C anyways when it comes to defense.
He's damn near got an 8 foot wingpsan and 9.5 standing reach.
That looks ideal as a center to me.
so what if hes 6'11? lemarcus aldridge, greg monroe and many more are 6'11 too playing at power forward, if im not mistaken nowitzki is 7'0 250-260 lbs but playing sf/pf.
i watch 1 demarcus cousins 15 mins highlight video in youtube the other night. when i read all the comments, most of them says this guy isn't a natural center, the way he cross over, the way he run, the way he carry the ball, the way he pass.
tim duncan is the best pf in the nba for so many years, whats tim duncan height and weight? cousins is more than a pf type of player than duncan. cousins game is like a bigger version(1 inch taller) of chris webber, webber isnt a center right?
He can defend C's and have a shot blocking 4. I don't think he's equipped to guard the quicker, face up 4's of the league. And when teams go small? Forget about it. C is his best defensive position.
I don't see Cousins as a 4. I think he would be in far worse foul trouble if he played that position. Offensively I am not sure I can see it working until Cousin can at least up his efficiency from the field. He just doesn't get it though. Biggest guy on the floor and he wants to drift further and further away from the basket. He is always going to be most effective in the post. I don't think it is a bad idea to get a shot blocker to pair with him (like maybe a Taj Gibson), but it just makes me feel like he doesn't want to do the rotations and just wants someone behind him to cover his mistakes on defense.
If the Kings are wanting to see what he can do, they need to hurry and sort out their roster. Too many guys that do the same things even with Evans gone, no real defenders or rebounders and little to no veteran leadership. I think the Vasquez move was a good move in the right direction, but they still have some things to sort out and players to figure out.
Well he actually has good feet, and he averages a block and a steal for his career. His problem is effort, and he doesn't have defensive principles, he could play the 4 with a shot blocking center. Where the real advantage comes is offensively. He would be a mismatch on offense for any 4 in the league, he's a good passer, has some good handles for a guy his size, he has some range, and his working on extending it and he could still move back to center in lineups. I like him at the 4.
When he was coming into college and when he got drafted we all called him a 4 before a 5. He's right! His versatility on offense would be amazing.
Cousins would be a monster at four. dominate every power forward in western confernce beside tim.
I don't think he can't play the 4 but my guess is he just falls in love with his midrange/top of the paint shot and he just doesn't want to work for his shots down low. A rim protector by his side could help him defensively but Thompson by no means is a more efficient center than him. The is a reason why Cousins has so poor field goal percentages and I just don't believe in his work ethik to become a better post player. If the Kings had someone like Gortad, Varejau or Garnett on the team I could see him playing some minutes at the 4 but honestly a 6'11" 270 pound player doesn't scream forward at all. He has quick feet and moves pretty well but this is just not a good idea to me.
If he would would like to go to the gym more often to transform his baby fat into muscles he could guard 4s and 5s and protect the rim better but he isn't as great as he thinks he thinks athletically. I don't think he can ever reach his ceiling when he doesn't put more work into his body.
Hopefully the Kings don't invest too much to make him happy getting him all the freedom offensively. He needs to be coached and to let him jack up all this long jump shots won't be the answer to me. He is so incredible immature to me. He commits so many fouls due to speculating on the defensive end that he wouldn't play more minutes next year when he has to guard power forwards and one of his biggest strenghts the rebounding wouldn't increase when playing outside of the paint most of the time.
Offensively, I don't think it would change much. It wouldn't matter if he or his coach labeled him as a four. They don't dictate who guards Cousins. Unless his frontcourt partner is a shotblocking C who's also a big enough threat offensively that PFs can't handle him, then Cousins will be defended by the opposing teams' C.
I also don't think weight and conditioning are an issue. Cousins has lost 30 lbs since he's been in the league. He's never going to be ripped. That's not his body type. He's a naturally big boned guy who's built more like a left tackle. He's also never going to be quick laterally or explosive. He's just not an explosive athlete, which is why he's not a shot blocker or shot deterrent despite his length and why he sometimes struggles to finish vs length (he's among the league leading big men in getting his shot blocked)
Hahaha the thought of Cousins defending against the likes of Nowitzki, Anderson, Bosh, Bargnani, Montiejunas, Love, and Millsap while they bomb away from the perimeter is funny. I imagine he would get frustrated and pick up two fouls in 60 seconds.
Or maybe a slashing undersized 4 like Thad Young, Gerald Wallace or T. Harris........they would go right around him and he would swat at them like a giant at a fly.
Pairing him with a shot blocking center would only work in rare instances. Cousins would be stuck playing more of a perimeter big so the shot-blocking center could protect the basket (even though they would be more mobile than Cousins). The premise is self-defeating.
With the pick-up of Mbah a Moute (Spelling?), the Kings can move him to the 4 and Cousins to 5 against teams that play small ball. Mbah a Moute is more than capable of playing some power forward.
This reminds me of when Joe Johnson was trying to say he was a point guard when he went to Atlanta or when Derrick Williams was trying to convince GMs he was a small forward in the NBA. One of Cousins greatest strengths is his quickness and foot speed that other centers can't keep up with. Stick to your strengths DMC.
I think Cousins can play PF very easily. He's a Centers size, but he has a the skillset to play either postition offensively. I like the fact that he admits he'll need a shot blocking Center next to him. I dont think he's a bad defensive player at all. Sometimes his effort is very questionable. But he has the abilty to be a very good defensive player.
He'll never be a shot blocker though, but that's ok. Hhe's good at taking charges and making his guy make tough shots over him.
I dont think he'll have a tough time guarding other Power Forwards. Im sure they'll be cross matchups, as in all NBA games, plus he'll get helped if he's matched up against a quicker 4 such as a Ryan Anderson. However, most 4s are not that quick and wont be bringing the ball up the court. I mean look at Memphis, Zach Randolph is not quick at all, but he has to guard 4s all the time. Cousins is a lot faster than him. I dont think he'll have to much of a problem keeping up on Defense. He also led the league last year in Steals by Big Men.
cousins was fine at 4. if greg monroe can do it, why not cousins? for me cousins is more agile/quicker than monroe if not the same. how about zach randolph? comparing cousins quickness to zach, cousins is way way quicker. not to mention that zach is playing OK at pf in the nba.
do you remember when sam dalembert still playing in sacramento, cousins is playing at 4, he played much better playing together with dally.
do you guys read an article(not so many years ago) "DALEMBERT, COUSINS PLAYING WELL TOGETHER"
Lately, Cousins and Dalembert are looking comfortable playing with each other. They have started 23 games together, including the last 20. The Kings have learned that Dalembert and Cousins complement each other better than expected.
Cousins with his size has C written all over him and fair enough if he admits that shot blocking isn't his strong point. But offensively his strength is round the basket and although he has a decent mid range game and has hit a few 3 pointers, I would not want to see him camped on the 3 point line defending quicker, stretch based PF's.
The Kings new GM Pete D'Alessandro seems a very articulate and knowledgeable guy who I could see putting a decent roster together after the recent bad moves under the last front office. The new owner has really tried to make DMC feel he is the face of the team and they are trying to almost force DMC to mature. With the new arena finally happening, the Kings seem to be finally moving forward again.
As regards a C coming in alongside DMC I would not be against DMC playing at PF as long as it it not affect his inside game. I would be interested to see what Greg Oden could do alongside him, having a mature, level headed guy like Oden alongside him could be good for DMC and with DMC's scoring Oden could initially concetrate on defence plus you have a big twin towers duo.
I don't understand your first paragraph. His position does not dictate where he would play offensively. It only dictates who he defends.
To me, he is just a big...He can play either PF or C...If the Kings want to build around Cousins then i would probably listen to him and get some DEFENSE...Something they really havent had down-low.
I think Cousins is right when he says hes not the best shot-blocker. Sort of like Kevin Love, a big bruising, rebound machine...with a touch from the outside (although Love is a way better shooter, and im not comparing the 2 player's games) he needs a defensive rim-protector. DeAndre Jordan would be a good player to target (if they could)...
I dont think Mozgov is the answer, but Pekovic would be good on this team. Or they could go after Gortat? Im not really sure if the Kings have enough assets without having to trade picks, which would be a mistake IMO...
^^^I also wanted to add that i think Cousins could play Center if he had a defensive-stopping PF (i.e. Favors, Ibaka, etc.)
My high school coach always told us that the position you play is usually determined by the position you can consistently guard. Demarcus cousins has the post moves and the footwork to play the 4 but IMO he's to slow-footed to guard a modern power forward. Unless he drops 25 pounds and gets down to the 240-245 pound range (he hasn't been that small since he was a sophmore in HS), I don't see him being able to play the 4 on night in/night out basis. Just my two cents.