since its getting kinda slow on here i thought id put up this topic since knicks4life735 thinks jose will make the all star team over rondo..what yall think
if is Jose puts up 17+ Points, Toronto is a top 4 team, and he dishes out double digits assist otherwise I don't see him making the team...especially over Rondo. He may be a better shooter, but that's all he has on Rondo. Maybe passing...
Toronto with Hedo has a good shot at being a top 4 team, Calderon won't score 17+ he will average between 10-12, but with the guys he has I could totally see him getting 10 times a game. Anything is possible since Mo Williams can cry his way into the All-Star game.
I would take Rondo over Jose but i believe Jose can shoot better and run a team better right now. Rondo's D aggressiveness and quickness gives him All Star egde but he may not get it with Rose in the East and with the bad press.
Toronto a Top Four?
Top 3 will be Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland...If Philly gets better...then Toronto has no shot. Don't forget the Hawks and Heat and Pistons.
Rondo stock is very high right now averaged nearly a triple double in the playoff, Calderon can pull a few passes out of his ass and hit the open jumper,but that is it not a all star
rose is a pretty good comp for him..but head to head he eats him alive
Calderon is one of the most underrated players in the league. His offensive efficiency is incredible and he's a pretty good defender, though not on the level of Rondo.
Still, Rondo has star potential and has proven he is best when it matters most.
So he wins.
I don't believe Calderon is better than Rondo, but Calderon plays the Point Guard position better than Rondo. Rondo is a much more versatile player, but what the PG position is about, I'll take Calderon. Just wanted to say that.
lol..what makes you think he plays the pg position better??..what way at all...jose does average .7 more ast then rondo..does play d as well and rondo just finished his 3rd year..23 years old compared to jose 27 who is in his prime now...u can have jose..ill take rondo anyday of the week
rando is alot better than calderon.
rando might put up stats like this this season 15ppg 8ats 6rebs 2 steals
i see calderon putting up 13ppg 11asts 2 reba 1 steal
you choose which 1 is better
No. Rondo is way better. They will never be equal.
Calderon broke the record for free throw % this past season. .981
Also, his shooting is great from 3 and overall. One of only a few players ever to shoot .500, .400 and .900 in a season.
He is a solidn player. He will never be near Rondo absurd talk.
lol...so him breaking free throw percentage proves what exactly?...and those states prove what..only one of a few that did that and still wasnt close to making the all star team..if we were doing the numbers game shouldnt we include rondos one of the only players to average a triple double in the playoffs?..and why are peopel so quick to say he will average so many more assist..yall do realize calderon averaged 8.7 assists to rondos 8.2?
They are not to different, except in shooting categories. I believe that Rondo will be better than Calderon, and is already a vastly superior defender, but I think he benefits a lot from playing with two fantastic wing scorers and the best PF in the NBA. So, while I do believe situation is key to how well you play the game, I believe Calderon's situation has improved, and that playing with Turkoglu will only help his numbers. I think he could be a 15 and 10 type player next year, or damn close. I do not think Rondo will be averaging close to what he did in the play-offs, and will be in his 13-15, 7 assist range. If either makes the All-Star team, I would be surprised honestly. They have to beat out Devin Harris and Derrick Rose in my opinion, also Mo Williams and Jameer could get back, and do not sleep on a guy like Rodney Stuckey, who I like better than Rondo and Calderon. Yes, Rondo was very impressive in the play-offs, but is it enough to cause fanaticism in his name? I would say, yes, but I wouldn't be part of it :)
so why would calderons number go up with added good player but rondos go downwith garnett being healthy and rondo getting better by another year in the leauge???
stucky has to prove he is a pg of the future first
we have to see what happens with deals. Danny Ainge isn't afraid to make the big trade, and if he wants to trade away Rondo, he will.
its all ready proven that all ainge was doing is getting a feel and the media blew it wayyyyyy out of porportion and just liek fans always do they bite hard
Look as talented as Rondo is, if he Gm and Coach do not like him, that is not a good team at the point guard spot. Rondo will not get voted in the All Star game and with that negative press coaches will not pick him when you have Harris and Rose who is on Rondo's level offensively now and that was his rookie year. Rondo play with a veteran team that makes his assist numbers look better because veteran team run crisp plays and finish regularly. Jose Caulderon would average at least 14 assist easy with the Celtics and also he would command the offense better but he can not break down his man or defend on Rondo level. I like Rondo and I thought watching him in Kentucky he was nice but realize he slipped because he can't shoot. I am not even a Calderon fan but i have to give him his props. I somehow wonder why people doubt Rubio when they see how good Caulderon is and he was not even hyped. Rubio is 18 and a bad shooter which is nothing much because more high school players are terrible shooters. He has some time to work on his shoot and as he gets stronger he should. I see Rubio being a better and more flashy Calderon.
I knew a player that played for Kentucky when Rondo was there. He said Rondo has the sickest handles ever. Rondo is on another level when comparing him to Calderon. This question is easy....even though Rondo can't shoot that well he still does everything else great. Give me Rondo.
maybe because calderon is 27 and rubio is 18...calderon wouldnt average 14assists..yall for some reason are making calderon seem better then he is...its a good thing yalll are fans instead of gms....other gms dont care what is going on between rondo and ainge because the leauge knows ainge is a a$$ hole and not every player gets along with certain coaches..as long as his teammates dont start saying how bad of a teammate he is.... another thing fans tend to over think is that a players assit will rise drstically because of them playing on a different team..i highly doubt if nash couldnt average 14ast with that high octane phx offense and the players he had then calderon would get 14....i asked a couple of my teammates a coupld d leauge and nba players i know and it was 14-2 of rather playing with rondo then calderon...the 2 were my 2 canada friends...one of which ya'll should watch out for..dj wright..just lead slcc to the juco national championship and made first team all american as a freshman
He might throw a bad pass like every player does sometimes, but gatorheels is right his handle is crazy he shreds defenses no matter what they do. The Lakers put Kobe on him cause they knew he was the key to the O. Rondo is a creator with crazy athletic ability. Stuckey is not a point. If you like him better than Rondo to be your point your dead wrong. Why would you want a guy who is not a natural point to run you O over a guy who is a natural point and more athletic too. A superior defender, ballhandler, better vision.
im sure its because they hear other people pump up stucky or watch a highlight or 2..but if you watch the whole season you noticed he struggled more then expected and alot of times at the end of games and playoffs they would have him at the 2 and have my man will bynum at the one.
i'm not sold on Stuckey at all yet. I havent watched him play a ton but the games I did see I really wasnt that impressed. He looked like an average NBA player to me. He is just another combo guard in my eyes which is why IMO him and Gordon just isn't going to be that successful.
hmmmmmmm randy foyle anyone
What is it with Combo Guards it's not a part of the game more than ever, but I am not sold on it guys should be trained to specialize in one position and being a point guard you just can't go half way it's a 100% seeing points guards shooting first isn't good you have to design the plays and a team like the Lakers having Fisher a true PG and Kobe a SG has them focus on there roles and they succeed at it.
josh...haha that is crazy I almost typed the same thing. He reminds me of Foye a lot.
knicksfan- that is exactly how I feel. combo guards do more harm than good...unless they are purely a 6th man coming off the bench to provide instant offense. I also think players should specialize in one position and perfect it.
actually it depends how good the combo guard is...the lakers could win with a good combo guard like chicago did with ron harper( yea he was a combo guard)..but you need a good system and good coach just liek you would need with a regular point guard...so yea a combo guard works as well as a pg if its a good combo like you would need a good pg unless you have a good team around him like you would need with a average combo guard
I feel like a combo guard is a nice way of saying any of the following
a) You have a nice jumper, but you're too small to play the SG so you'll be a combo Guard
b) You have great passing ability, but you can also slash and score so idk if you're a pg or a sg
c) You are Gilbert Arenas and the 2 guard is irrelevant since Agent 0 plays both positions
d) whatever any1 else thinks of the combo guard.
Jose Calderon Is One Of The Most Underrated PG's In the League.......He Shot 98% From free Throw And the past two seasons had the best assist to turnover Ratio, Honestly Rondo is A Better PG "ONLY" After His Play-off Performance.......Lets See if Rondo Can Continue The Brilliance. Jose was Injured For A Good Quarter Of The Season , and still admitted he wasn't in good shape ......and played his heart out. I Think this guy is extremely underrated and Top 5 For Sure
that is pushing it, but he is very underrated. As much as I like Calderon I do not consider him top 5.
Rondo will probably average 13-8.3? Well, he did average more assists than I thought, and yes, I would take him over Jose. But, even if Rondo has "the sickest handles ever", Jose is the starting PG for Spain, the dude is no slouch. If you give Jose an open J, it is buckets, where teams will still give that to Rondo. Add the fact that Jose doesn't miss free throws, he is a pretty appealing PG. He is nowhere near Rondo in many categories, but as a "true point guard", which is what many seem to talk about, he is much better than Rondo. This is why the term "true point guard" is ridiculous, because I feel like Rondo's ability to slash and beat people do not even fall under this term, plus I doubt it takes defense into account whatsoever. Jose shoots 50-40 (maybe 38 last year, but still sick)-98! Those numbers are a D'Antoni cream dream, plus he did this with 0 help on the wing. Rondo would average more points with his sheer athleticism if he were in Jose's position, but as far as being a distributor, it would not be easy. Jose has crazy court vision and while he may not be as quick as Rajon even if he turned into the Rocketeer, I think his handles and court vision both trump him. So, is Rondo the better PG overall, but Jose could very well put up better numbers and maybe even make the All-Star squad over him. Though, with the signing of Rasheed Wallace, Rondo should average 12 assists a game or I would consider that a failure. Damn that is going to be a ridiculous team. I am pissed off just typing it.
Rodney Stuckey is a beast. Do not sleep on that dude. He has 2 inches on Foye and was the only reason other than salry that the Allen Iverson trade wasn't as ridiculous as the Rasheed Wallace to Detroit trade/Pau Gasol trade. The guy is 6'5/215, and he may not be a pure point guard, but he is a monster to guard and is crazy strong. I think he has a very bright future and if Boston would have made the Hamilton/Prince/Stuckey for Rondo/Allen trade, they would have destroyed the deal. That team would have been so stacked and Stuckey would have made even more of a match-up problem for teams. Stuckey/Hamilton/Pierce/Garnett/Wallace, Prince, Perkins and Baby off the bench. Well, I am sure they will still compete, but if I were the Celtics that would have been a very hard thing to pass up. Rajon was great in college, he can fill a stat sheet, but Stuckey is a better scorer and is going to be a nightmare for teams to stop. He had a rough transition filling in for Chauncey, but I think he will improve greatly in the coming years.
please rate the Top Pgs in The League Till Calderon Will Come In Place, and tell me what have they achieved
stucky isnt a beast and he proved it after the billups trade ..no other gms think rondo isnt a tru pg so youre definition doesnt matter..a tru pg is who ever can get the job done point blank..there is no set diffenition for tru point guard im sorry but that went out back in the 70's pgs do so much more then the basic stuff theses days not just make free throws .....thats like someone saying garnett isnt a tru pf because he does things that the average pf cant or jason kidd wasnt a tru pg because he cant shoot to well the game/positions definition changes constantly
top 5..paul d will still jameer nelson, toney parker chauncy billups
I agree. I think "true pg" is meaningless. But Stuckey is a beast, and I do not just think his FT% will be the reason he will be a better player than Rondo. Also, tell me how he proved it after the Billups trade? He had a much better second year than Rondo did on a much worse team. They are different players, and while I think Boston made a good move by sticking with the guy who got them there before, Stuckey would not at all have been a bad gamble.
he is up there but even right now ill take Rose or Rondo ahead of him
you are a beast when you prove you are a beast not just hoping someone becomes a beast..thats a honor to be called that ...when has stucky proved that he is a beast?????..maybe where u are from you can call just about any player that but in d.c you have to earn being called a beast 13 and 4 with 2 turnovers is not beast numbers...even discounting that watching him play he doesnt fall under beast catagory..he still have to prove he can run the show and be a point pg and make other betters..hes proven he can become a pretty good scorer...thats pretty much it
rondo was considered a better pg then calderon before the playoofs or did you forget..coachs were close to voting him as a replacement on the all star team...im pretty sure calderons name didnt come up
I like how you rounded down 4.9 assists per game, lol. Nonetheless, I am predicting he will be one and did not know the description held such sacred meaning. I apologize greatly and have hit my pinky with a rubber band as a means to make amends. Seriously though, I think his name did come up, and now Rondo isn't even the 4th best player on his team, where as Jose still holds the 3 down (barely). That being said, does Rondo fit the beast description (I guess after the play-offs I might say so)? Also, what do we feed beasts? Can I possibly find this cuisine so as to give it to Rodney Stuckey? Again, Josh, you are a funny guy, I just think that you maybe took what I said the wrong way about the "beast" comment. Nonetheless, rounding down 4.9 to 4 is low man :) Also, how do I make the play-oofs?
lol..i ment to put 5 my bad..and being the fourth best on a team with three hall of fammers mean what exactly?....rondo is better gms think it..players think it....i guess that all that really matters:)
Beacuse Calderon Was Injured......the season before that calderon was suppose to make it till Doc Rivers Didn't Choose him
go to who is the leauges best pgs...he avraged 11 and 8 last year and played in all 82 games...more then one coach picks the reserves..so who was he gonna make it over exactly???
josh,you start saying GM thinks rondo is better than jose and people who thinks diferent about that or about rondo being a true pg are fans and then you said rondo is going to be better than gms think,so you are,let me guess,a rondo´s fan.i´m fine with that
i think rondo is,after all,a better basketball player,but you can´t deny circunstances can mark a player carrer for life.jose is a low draft pick by tha raps,i´m not sure but i think they pick rocko(their actual backup)earlier in the draft.now imagine jose picked by portland or lakers with plenty of talented players,like celtics has.i´m sure they would love to have a player like jose with great court vision,great assist/to ratio and a guy who hits open shoots(esasiest when people are making double D´s on kobe or pau) and a tremendous FT shooter(clutch?).
i think last year you´ve got to put an ? in jose´s carrer due to injuries,i assume he isnt in his best shape cause he pass on spanish team for the eurochamp,so lets see next year fully recovered and with hedo on the roster if he can achieve what he shows a cople of years ago.
to be honest i dont like rondo...i like him less then calderon..but i do respect what he does..i can put personal feelings aside when talking about a player unliek most on here who if they like a player you cant tell them someone else is better then the player they like...i dont particularly like duncan karl malone john stockton and other but i can respect what they do and say they are great players and in order for me to scout for europeans teams in my offseason and eventually for a nba team i need to be able to put personal feelings aside about a player i dont like