[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 OKAY! OKAY! ruin may be going to far, but his uneven lineups and his subs that kill hotstreaks are becoming to tough and ugly to see. Now let me say Jabari hasn’t looked like that NBA ready prospect that we all thought he would look like, yet I think that player is still in there.

Coming into tonight he was averaging 10 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal on 42% shooting. in 29 minutes per game. It seems like everytime he starts to get it going Jason takes him out. Now this probably doesn’t only plague Jabari, but he’s doing it to everyone not named Brandon Knight. Brandon Knight who is leading the team at only 32 minutes per game. Giannis 24 minutes, Larry Sanders 23 minutes, Jabari 28 minutes, these are the players that should be getting playing time to either learn their games and grow or learn to play together. 

 

Idk, Jason Kidd is kind of angering me though.

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 Im pretty angry because i have streamed the last 3 games and in the last 3, Jabari has only managed 1 minute in the fourth quarter. He didnt play 2 straight 4th quarters when the game was competitive, but he was subbed in tonight for garbage time in the final 3 minutes. 

I agree jabari is not shooting a good field goal percent, but so are alot of top players this season. He does not get the ball when he should, but he does seem indecisive when he does get the ball. I can say though that jabari was getting torched in the third quarter today, but that was not the case the 2 prior games so i dont know what kidd is doing. 

I dont think that kidd would ruin his career, but i think there were some much better coaching options out there like lionel hollins who actually know what they are doing.

I do like how giannis has been playing in these last three games though.

 

 

 

 

 

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 Im pretty angry because i have streamed the last 3 games and in the last 3, Jabari has only managed 1 minute in the fourth quarter. He didnt play 2 straight 4th quarters when the game was competitive, but he was subbed in tonight for garbage time in the final 3 minutes. 

I agree jabari is not shooting a good field goal percent, but so are alot of top players this season. He does not get the ball when he should, but he does seem indecisive when he does get the ball. I can say though that jabari was getting torched in the third quarter today, but that was not the case the 2 prior games so i dont know what kidd is doing. 

I dont think that kidd would ruin his career, but i think there were some much better coaching options out there like lionel hollins who actually know what they are doing.

I do like how giannis has been playing in these last three games though.

 

 

 

 

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

I’d say 40-42% FG is a good goal. They really are both SF’s. If you want them in at the same time, Jabari at SF and Gianis at SG works better defensively than them moving up to PF and SF. However, trying to keep one in at a time for substantial parts of the game would keep  them both with the ball in their hands.

[MopgrassParticipant]

I’d say 40-42% FG is a good goal. They really are both SF’s. If you want them in at the same time, Jabari at SF and Gianis at SG works better defensively than them moving up to PF and SF. However, trying to keep one in at a time for substantial parts of the game would keep  them both with the ball in their hands.

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 clearly you’re a better coach than Jason Kidd

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 clearly you’re a better coach than Jason Kidd

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 I think we all knew Jabari wasnt gonna shoot well to start his career. The real question is the lineups.. Him and Giannis are kinda like Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner, both are good but they both play the same position and need the ball.. Kidd needs to find a lineup to go with because its not looking good. Well at least B Knight looks good

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 I think we all knew Jabari wasnt gonna shoot well to start his career. The real question is the lineups.. Him and Giannis are kinda like Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner, both are good but they both play the same position and need the ball.. Kidd needs to find a lineup to go with because its not looking good. Well at least B Knight looks good

[newgenduderParticipant]

Giannis has actually been succeeding the last 3 games playing PF on offense. they can’t guard him off the dribble. I’d start them both and have Giannis at the 4, Jabari at the 3 offensively – then have Jabari guard the opposing 4 and Giannis the 3. Giannis is too skinny to guard PFs. Jabari is 6’9 and has some bulk of course.

[newgenduderParticipant]

Giannis has actually been succeeding the last 3 games playing PF on offense. they can’t guard him off the dribble. I’d start them both and have Giannis at the 4, Jabari at the 3 offensively – then have Jabari guard the opposing 4 and Giannis the 3. Giannis is too skinny to guard PFs. Jabari is 6’9 and has some bulk of course.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

How are you going to talk about Kidd ruining Jabari’s career through 8 games? The fact is Jabari hasn’t been that great and he’s far from the best player on the Bucks now. His shooting numbers are atrocious. There is obviously some reason that Jason Kidd isn’t playing him during crunch time. His numbers tonight against Orlando were terrible. 6 points, 3 rebounds, 4 fouls and 3 turnovers in 27 minutes of action. Jabari may be realizing that in the NBA everyone is just as big, and skilled as he is and more athletic. People were calling him a shoe in for ROY and that he would average close to 20 easily. It’s still early, and Jabari is young obviously, but he has a ways to go to become a star.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

How are you going to talk about Kidd ruining Jabari’s career through 8 games? The fact is Jabari hasn’t been that great and he’s far from the best player on the Bucks now. His shooting numbers are atrocious. There is obviously some reason that Jason Kidd isn’t playing him during crunch time. His numbers tonight against Orlando were terrible. 6 points, 3 rebounds, 4 fouls and 3 turnovers in 27 minutes of action. Jabari may be realizing that in the NBA everyone is just as big, and skilled as he is and more athletic. People were calling him a shoe in for ROY and that he would average close to 20 easily. It’s still early, and Jabari is young obviously, but he has a ways to go to become a star.

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 As someone previously said, we all knew Jabari wouldn’t be shooting a high percentage to start his career. But the previous three games before tonight, he was shooting 53%, moving the ball and getting a little more comfortable, after all of his indecision to start his career.  That’s fact, you can look up the stats. Yet Jason Kidd would take him out as soon as he got hot, mainly the 3rd quarter and either he’d miss the whole fourth or barely play. 

 

The fact of the matter is something that isn’t mentioned enough, where a player lands can sometimes determine his career, how he plays, and how he’s viewed by fans and the media. This has sometimes ruined a players career, or derailed it a little. Now I was exaggerating but the thing is Jason Kidd may not be the right coach for these young players and their development. 

Also as previously mentioned, him and Giannis sort of overlap in positions..

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 As someone previously said, we all knew Jabari wouldn’t be shooting a high percentage to start his career. But the previous three games before tonight, he was shooting 53%, moving the ball and getting a little more comfortable, after all of his indecision to start his career.  That’s fact, you can look up the stats. Yet Jason Kidd would take him out as soon as he got hot, mainly the 3rd quarter and either he’d miss the whole fourth or barely play. 

 

The fact of the matter is something that isn’t mentioned enough, where a player lands can sometimes determine his career, how he plays, and how he’s viewed by fans and the media. This has sometimes ruined a players career, or derailed it a little. Now I was exaggerating but the thing is Jason Kidd may not be the right coach for these young players and their development. 

Also as previously mentioned, him and Giannis sort of overlap in positions..

[GBeeParticipant]

 how about you let rookies be rookies?  he got 28 minutes which was 3rd highest on the team. what’s wrong with that? i’d argue that he didn’t even deserve that many minutes given his lack of production. if he wants more extended run then he needs to play better. screw entitlement minutes.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 how about you let rookies be rookies?  he got 28 minutes which was 3rd highest on the team. what’s wrong with that? i’d argue that he didn’t even deserve that many minutes given his lack of production. if he wants more extended run then he needs to play better. screw entitlement minutes.

 

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 when you’re a lottery team, there is no such thing as entitlement minutes. The best players play, and Jabari is one of their best players there isn’t an argument there. This is more about Jason Kidd as a coach, and his lineups and subs than Jabari, hence me mentioning Larry Sanders and Giannis also. 

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 when you’re a lottery team, there is no such thing as entitlement minutes. The best players play, and Jabari is one of their best players there isn’t an argument there. This is more about Jason Kidd as a coach, and his lineups and subs than Jabari, hence me mentioning Larry Sanders and Giannis also. 

[GBeeParticipant]

 yes there are. if a coach gives a young player minutes despite him not being productive or playing poorly, those are entitlement minutes which don’t teach accountability and don’t encourage improvement. if he wants to play more (he’s already getting good minutes) and get extended runs, then he needs to play better. if a player is playing like crap or not being productive, then next man up. if jabari doesn’t like it then he needs to play better. see how that works? that’s how you teach accountability which is of prime importance for building team culture going forward.  is jabari really one of his best players? i’d say no.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 yes there are. if a coach gives a young player minutes despite him not being productive or playing poorly, those are entitlement minutes which don’t teach accountability and don’t encourage improvement. if he wants to play more (he’s already getting good minutes) and get extended runs, then he needs to play better. if a player is playing like crap or not being productive, then next man up. if jabari doesn’t like it then he needs to play better. see how that works? that’s how you teach accountability which is of prime importance for building team culture going forward.  is jabari really one of his best players? i’d say no.

 

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I’d say you’re one of the only people who would say Jabari Parker isn’t the best players on the Bucks. There’s no way Middleton, Ilyasova, and JARED DUDLEY should be cutting into his minutes. And maybe you’re not following the narrative but this is about Jason Kidd taking him out when he’s doing good. Like I said 53% shooting and moving the ball the last 3 games before tonight. If he’s doing bad, take him out, but Jason Kidd is taking him out when he’s doing good, mainly in the 3rd quarter. 

So you’re saying if a coach allows a player to play through his stuggles, and learn from his mistakes, so he can put the onus on himself and work to improve, that’s not teaching accountability? See because I’m objective I can see through the film, there’s more than 1 way to teach accountability, there is more than one way to teach discipline. 

Jabari in all of his supposed horror, still has better stats and a higher PER than all of the players cutting into his minutes. Once again that’s facts, look up the stats. This more about Jason Kidd’s ineptitude as a coach, than Jabari’s playing, because it’s every person on the team, he’s doing this to. It’s also a good way to lose the trust of his players. Look at John Henson, look at Giannis, Larry Sanders. I pointed out Jabari because he’s the number 2 pick in the draft who isn’t playing so well. Yet and still, when he does play well, it is met with uneven minutes, and rotations by his coach.

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I’d say you’re one of the only people who would say Jabari Parker isn’t the best players on the Bucks. There’s no way Middleton, Ilyasova, and JARED DUDLEY should be cutting into his minutes. And maybe you’re not following the narrative but this is about Jason Kidd taking him out when he’s doing good. Like I said 53% shooting and moving the ball the last 3 games before tonight. If he’s doing bad, take him out, but Jason Kidd is taking him out when he’s doing good, mainly in the 3rd quarter. 

So you’re saying if a coach allows a player to play through his stuggles, and learn from his mistakes, so he can put the onus on himself and work to improve, that’s not teaching accountability? See because I’m objective I can see through the film, there’s more than 1 way to teach accountability, there is more than one way to teach discipline. 

Jabari in all of his supposed horror, still has better stats and a higher PER than all of the players cutting into his minutes. Once again that’s facts, look up the stats. This more about Jason Kidd’s ineptitude as a coach, than Jabari’s playing, because it’s every person on the team, he’s doing this to. It’s also a good way to lose the trust of his players. Look at John Henson, look at Giannis, Larry Sanders. I pointed out Jabari because he’s the number 2 pick in the draft who isn’t playing so well. Yet and still, when he does play well, it is met with uneven minutes, and rotations by his coach.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Jabari puts up some numbers, but he is a major liability on defense.  And he played really poorly today.  He is still getting 29 minutes per game, which is quite good for him, especially since his conditioning is not top notch.

The Bucks’ rotations were a mess for the first week of the season, but they have settled now.  Giannis is getting bigger minutes as he deserves, Ersan gets the minutes at PF Giannis doesn’t get.  I do agree that Dudley should be played less, but mostly because Nate Wolters should start at SG.

Parker is not one of the best Bucks players yet.  Giannis, Knight and Larry Sanders are the team’s top three players, probably in that order.  Nate Wolters is probably the 4th best player on the team, even though he is not getting burn.  Mayo and Bayless are sort of on the next tier.  Even Zaza against good matchups can be better than Parker.  Middleton has been really bad this season, but last season he was pretty good, so he gets some minutes. Parker will learn, but right now his stats are kinda empty.

I don’t agree with all of Kidd’s coaching, but the rotations the past few games are OK.  I hope Parker gets more involved in the offense soon and I hope Wolters gets more minutes.  Henson could also get more minutes, not because he is better than Zaza, but because he could have trade value or long term potential.  But Kidd is generally playing the team’s best players.  He isn’t going to lose the team because he plays established veterans.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Jabari puts up some numbers, but he is a major liability on defense.  And he played really poorly today.  He is still getting 29 minutes per game, which is quite good for him, especially since his conditioning is not top notch.

The Bucks’ rotations were a mess for the first week of the season, but they have settled now.  Giannis is getting bigger minutes as he deserves, Ersan gets the minutes at PF Giannis doesn’t get.  I do agree that Dudley should be played less, but mostly because Nate Wolters should start at SG.

Parker is not one of the best Bucks players yet.  Giannis, Knight and Larry Sanders are the team’s top three players, probably in that order.  Nate Wolters is probably the 4th best player on the team, even though he is not getting burn.  Mayo and Bayless are sort of on the next tier.  Even Zaza against good matchups can be better than Parker.  Middleton has been really bad this season, but last season he was pretty good, so he gets some minutes. Parker will learn, but right now his stats are kinda empty.

I don’t agree with all of Kidd’s coaching, but the rotations the past few games are OK.  I hope Parker gets more involved in the offense soon and I hope Wolters gets more minutes.  Henson could also get more minutes, not because he is better than Zaza, but because he could have trade value or long term potential.  But Kidd is generally playing the team’s best players.  He isn’t going to lose the team because he plays established veterans.

[GBeeParticipant]

 the numbers say otherwise. jabari currently has no niche. he absolutely sucks on defense. this is where he’s losing minutes, even if his offense is bad as well. he is a god awful defender with no defensive position. on offense, he’s a face up guy who’s jumper is not falling, so opposing teams are playing for the drive. he’s not drawing fouls. he’s not playing a great floor game. his PER is a putrid 10.9, putting him 8th on the team. 11th worst advanced plus minus on the team as well. those are the facts for you. i’m not sure where you’re getting yours.

middleton has NOT been better than jabari and that’s why he’s currently out of the rotation. ilyasova got what, 13 minutes, after starting the game? dudley sucks ass, so i won’t make an argument for him playing.

no, that’s not teaching accountability. teaching accountability would be having his players earn their minutes. if you don’t pull the player, you’re basically saying that it doesn’t matter if he blows assignments, takes bad shots, doesn’t execute, etc because he’ll still stay in the game regardless. that’s a horrible message to sendto a young team.

jabari’s lucky henson hasn’t been rewarded for his solid play in limited minutes because that’d be even less minutes for him. yet, jabari’s still getting 29 minutes a game which is among tops, if it isnt THE top mpg for all rookies. he should be happy that he’s actually getting the minutes that he’s getting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 the numbers say otherwise. jabari currently has no niche. he absolutely sucks on defense. this is where he’s losing minutes, even if his offense is bad as well. he is a god awful defender with no defensive position. on offense, he’s a face up guy who’s jumper is not falling, so opposing teams are playing for the drive. he’s not drawing fouls. he’s not playing a great floor game. his PER is a putrid 10.9, putting him 8th on the team. 11th worst advanced plus minus on the team as well. those are the facts for you. i’m not sure where you’re getting yours.

middleton has NOT been better than jabari and that’s why he’s currently out of the rotation. ilyasova got what, 13 minutes, after starting the game? dudley sucks ass, so i won’t make an argument for him playing.

no, that’s not teaching accountability. teaching accountability would be having his players earn their minutes. if you don’t pull the player, you’re basically saying that it doesn’t matter if he blows assignments, takes bad shots, doesn’t execute, etc because he’ll still stay in the game regardless. that’s a horrible message to sendto a young team.

jabari’s lucky henson hasn’t been rewarded for his solid play in limited minutes because that’d be even less minutes for him. yet, jabari’s still getting 29 minutes a game which is among tops, if it isnt THE top mpg for all rookies. he should be happy that he’s actually getting the minutes that he’s getting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 I think that is a little premature.  The team ran some nice actions for Parker early in the season, but the past week it has gone away from them, with Giannis stepping up instead.  Parker looks really nice when he faces up and when he runs in transition, but he is not facing up enough in the post and his footwork is bad when he doesn’t face up.  He is taking too many difficult shots when he drives into help defense and is forced to take difficult shots from mid-range.  And he has not adjusted well to the NBA 3-point line.  In recent games, he hasn’t gotten as many touches and when he does get the ball, he tries excessively hard to force up a shot when he should just make the simple play.

I am still really optimistic about Parker’s career, but he may take some time to adjust to the NBA.  He is just plain bad on defense right now, especially at SF, but he is being forced to play more SF now that Giannis has established himself as the team’s best PF.  It makes no sense to switch Giannis’s position from SF since he is doing so well at that position.  But the coaching staff does need to find ways to get Parker some touches in the halfcourt when he plays SF to get him some confidence.

But his career isn’t ruined because he has had a few games without getting a lot of touches or playing in crunch time.  He is a major liability in crunch time right now, so it makes sense to let him get his feet wet in less pressure packed situations.  He just may be a player who breaks out more his sophomore season rather than his rookie year.

And, while Parker can look slow on the court right now, he still has shown he has game.  He actually is 6th in the entire NBA in dunks this season with 13 and has finished around the rim well overall. 

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 I think that is a little premature.  The team ran some nice actions for Parker early in the season, but the past week it has gone away from them, with Giannis stepping up instead.  Parker looks really nice when he faces up and when he runs in transition, but he is not facing up enough in the post and his footwork is bad when he doesn’t face up.  He is taking too many difficult shots when he drives into help defense and is forced to take difficult shots from mid-range.  And he has not adjusted well to the NBA 3-point line.  In recent games, he hasn’t gotten as many touches and when he does get the ball, he tries excessively hard to force up a shot when he should just make the simple play.

I am still really optimistic about Parker’s career, but he may take some time to adjust to the NBA.  He is just plain bad on defense right now, especially at SF, but he is being forced to play more SF now that Giannis has established himself as the team’s best PF.  It makes no sense to switch Giannis’s position from SF since he is doing so well at that position.  But the coaching staff does need to find ways to get Parker some touches in the halfcourt when he plays SF to get him some confidence.

But his career isn’t ruined because he has had a few games without getting a lot of touches or playing in crunch time.  He is a major liability in crunch time right now, so it makes sense to let him get his feet wet in less pressure packed situations.  He just may be a player who breaks out more his sophomore season rather than his rookie year.

And, while Parker can look slow on the court right now, he still has shown he has game.  He actually is 6th in the entire NBA in dunks this season with 13 and has finished around the rim well overall. 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

 Thank you. I feel the same way. I really hate Jason Kidd as a coach man. As a player, he’s a beast. As a coach, he’s a joke. Seriously, he is. When he left the Nets and players like Joe Johnson were interviewed abou Kidd, they laughed lie he was a joke coach, which he is. 

For the Bucks right now, all I want for them is that they develop their young players and as the OP said, give them some good playing time to get their confidence up. Larry Drew screwed that up, playing Pachullia and Adrien over Henson and Sanders. I though Jason Kidd would be different but he turned out to be much worse. He plays Jared Dudley and Ilyasova over Giannis or Parker. Henson is stil nt getting the playing he deserves and Zaza’s being Zaza, stealing time from the young guns. 

I also hate that Kidd has absolutely no idea to utilize Parker. He goes to the media, hypes him a the next best stretch 4 then starts him at 3 the next game. As a fan, nothing hurts more than seeing young players having their development stunted by the coach. Kidd should have a clear vision from he start of how to develop his players and I don’t think he has that now. Honestly, I think Parker is best suited as a three. Give the man isolations and pick and rolls, not him setting picks and watching others iso. He has so much potential to do much more.

 

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

 Thank you. I feel the same way. I really hate Jason Kidd as a coach man. As a player, he’s a beast. As a coach, he’s a joke. Seriously, he is. When he left the Nets and players like Joe Johnson were interviewed abou Kidd, they laughed lie he was a joke coach, which he is. 

For the Bucks right now, all I want for them is that they develop their young players and as the OP said, give them some good playing time to get their confidence up. Larry Drew screwed that up, playing Pachullia and Adrien over Henson and Sanders. I though Jason Kidd would be different but he turned out to be much worse. He plays Jared Dudley and Ilyasova over Giannis or Parker. Henson is stil nt getting the playing he deserves and Zaza’s being Zaza, stealing time from the young guns. 

I also hate that Kidd has absolutely no idea to utilize Parker. He goes to the media, hypes him a the next best stretch 4 then starts him at 3 the next game. As a fan, nothing hurts more than seeing young players having their development stunted by the coach. Kidd should have a clear vision from he start of how to develop his players and I don’t think he has that now. Honestly, I think Parker is best suited as a three. Give the man isolations and pick and rolls, not him setting picks and watching others iso. He has so much potential to do much more.

 

 

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 That’s all i’m saying, and people don’t seem to understand. Jason Kidd has absolutely no vision as a coach.

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 That’s all i’m saying, and people don’t seem to understand. Jason Kidd has absolutely no vision as a coach.

[benny15Participant]

 i guess its not enough for Kidd to have won twice as much as last year’s bucks with the same amount of games into the season. people are criticizing the sixers for not having vets and playing young guys and loosing but Kidd is getting condemned for trying to be competitive and win games? the bucks are tied with the hornets for 8th in the east right now. now im not saying that milwaukee will make the play-offs, but what is so wrong of trying to build a winning atmosphere early into the season? one could argue that how you start could dictate your teams atmosphere for the rest of the season. possibly even more with so many young players like the bucks.

i get it, he’s not force feeding parker, he’s not giving him the looks a star or main man would get, but has jabari proven anything in the league already? like someone mentioned earlier, there are different ways and approaches to develop a young talent such as jabari, and one of them is to challenge him to get better. make him hungrier by not giving him minutes and looks in a silver spoon. normally what dictates the best approach on a player is his character. i like jabari’s and think he will come out of this as a better player. think he will take the challenges in front of him, put as a chip on his shoulder, and rise above it. 

 

 

[benny15Participant]

 i guess its not enough for Kidd to have won twice as much as last year’s bucks with the same amount of games into the season. people are criticizing the sixers for not having vets and playing young guys and loosing but Kidd is getting condemned for trying to be competitive and win games? the bucks are tied with the hornets for 8th in the east right now. now im not saying that milwaukee will make the play-offs, but what is so wrong of trying to build a winning atmosphere early into the season? one could argue that how you start could dictate your teams atmosphere for the rest of the season. possibly even more with so many young players like the bucks.

i get it, he’s not force feeding parker, he’s not giving him the looks a star or main man would get, but has jabari proven anything in the league already? like someone mentioned earlier, there are different ways and approaches to develop a young talent such as jabari, and one of them is to challenge him to get better. make him hungrier by not giving him minutes and looks in a silver spoon. normally what dictates the best approach on a player is his character. i like jabari’s and think he will come out of this as a better player. think he will take the challenges in front of him, put as a chip on his shoulder, and rise above it. 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I havent liked Kidds rotations one bit. Some of that is personal due to the fact that I wantes to see Henson get big minutes and think Henson deserves big minutes and some of it is practical. I really think he needs to find minutes for Nate Wolters as well. Wolters reminds me of Goran Dragic early in his career and I think he has great upside. Why did Kidd even experiment with Giannis at PG when Milwaukee has 3 talented young PGs on the roster that all deserve 20-mpg plus.

No matter how you look at it though the Bucks have been competitive which is quite a feat. Kidd is a good coach and the Bucks should be happy they have him.It may seem like he is not the right coach for the Bucks because of his reluctance to tank but people forget coaches that tank get fired. He was great with the Nets veteran sqaud, he seems to have a win now mentality regardless of who he is coaching. He puts the team in the best position to win and this will pay off in the long run by earning his teams respect and setting examples and expectations he wants his guys to live up to.

Whats wrong with being hard on a 20 year old rookie. If you dont do the right things you dont play in crunch time plain and simple. He may not like it now but Im sure Parker with thank Jason at some point in Parkers career.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I havent liked Kidds rotations one bit. Some of that is personal due to the fact that I wantes to see Henson get big minutes and think Henson deserves big minutes and some of it is practical. I really think he needs to find minutes for Nate Wolters as well. Wolters reminds me of Goran Dragic early in his career and I think he has great upside. Why did Kidd even experiment with Giannis at PG when Milwaukee has 3 talented young PGs on the roster that all deserve 20-mpg plus.

No matter how you look at it though the Bucks have been competitive which is quite a feat. Kidd is a good coach and the Bucks should be happy they have him.It may seem like he is not the right coach for the Bucks because of his reluctance to tank but people forget coaches that tank get fired. He was great with the Nets veteran sqaud, he seems to have a win now mentality regardless of who he is coaching. He puts the team in the best position to win and this will pay off in the long run by earning his teams respect and setting examples and expectations he wants his guys to live up to.

Whats wrong with being hard on a 20 year old rookie. If you dont do the right things you dont play in crunch time plain and simple. He may not like it now but Im sure Parker with thank Jason at some point in Parkers career.

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I agree with you. But I don’t think them playing better is just because of Jason Kidd’s coaching, it also helps when you’re healthy, and you have a better team than previously. Remember last year people thought the Bucks would be a low seed in the playoffs before the season. 

My point, that I was trying to make to someone else earlier, there is more than one way to teach a player. Cutting minutes is one way, and allowing them to play through it is another way. I can’t see why people don’t understand that. 

I’ve seen parents allow their kids to make mistakes before so they could learn. It happens all of the time. 

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I agree with you. But I don’t think them playing better is just because of Jason Kidd’s coaching, it also helps when you’re healthy, and you have a better team than previously. Remember last year people thought the Bucks would be a low seed in the playoffs before the season. 

My point, that I was trying to make to someone else earlier, there is more than one way to teach a player. Cutting minutes is one way, and allowing them to play through it is another way. I can’t see why people don’t understand that. 

I’ve seen parents allow their kids to make mistakes before so they could learn. It happens all of the time. 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I just checked the standings. The Bucks are 4 and 5. I’d say that is exceeding expectations. 

Kidd believes in limited minutes to keep players strong for the entire season. He also believes in experimenting with lineups. The Bucks don’t have any must win games this season and they certainly don’t have any in November. Relax. Let the guy get to know the team and figure out something that works. The Nets last year under Kidd became a very good team over the course of the season. It takes time to figure some stuff out.

Parker definitely does not need more minutes in November. He needs to learn the NBA game. Some of that will come from playing, some needs to come from watching.  

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I just checked the standings. The Bucks are 4 and 5. I’d say that is exceeding expectations. 

Kidd believes in limited minutes to keep players strong for the entire season. He also believes in experimenting with lineups. The Bucks don’t have any must win games this season and they certainly don’t have any in November. Relax. Let the guy get to know the team and figure out something that works. The Nets last year under Kidd became a very good team over the course of the season. It takes time to figure some stuff out.

Parker definitely does not need more minutes in November. He needs to learn the NBA game. Some of that will come from playing, some needs to come from watching.  

[JoeWolf1]

 Like the rotations or not, Kidd has the Bucks at 4-5 through his first 9 games with a win over Memphis.

It’s November 15th and Kidd has his team almost 33% of the way to their win total of last year, and Milwaukee ranks 3rd in the NBA in points allowed. He may not be letting Jabari do whatever he wants, but he’s got Milwaukee off to a start much better than many would have thought. 

[JoeWolf1]

 Like the rotations or not, Kidd has the Bucks at 4-5 through his first 9 games with a win over Memphis.

It’s November 15th and Kidd has his team almost 33% of the way to their win total of last year, and Milwaukee ranks 3rd in the NBA in points allowed. He may not be letting Jabari do whatever he wants, but he’s got Milwaukee off to a start much better than many would have thought. 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

Maybe Kidd is actually holding Jabari accountable. It’s an amazing concept. Jabari was an all-American at Duke and put up good numbers during his one year in Durham, but did Coach K really have anything to do with that? Jabari was seen as an immense offensive talent coming out of high school. I would go so far as to say Jabari was one of the worst defenders in the entire country last year. Of course you can say that was because of Jabari having to guard guys bigger than him and being a post defender, but he was absolutely horrible as a help defender and didn’t have a clue how to rotate. Coach K is seen as a defensive guy but did he coach Jabari on how to play defense? Jabari was lost on the defensive end all year and couldn’t see the floor defensively during crunch time against Mercer. Jabari was also seen as a good passer coming out of high school, but was an absolute ball hog the entire year. He didn’t have more than 2 assists in a game all year. In my opinion Jabari was entitled at Duke and was never a team player. In the NBA, he doesn’t have that entitlement and nobody in the league cares you played at Duke. Jabari has to earn his minutes and he isn’t going to be given playing time just because he was the number 2 pick.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

Maybe Kidd is actually holding Jabari accountable. It’s an amazing concept. Jabari was an all-American at Duke and put up good numbers during his one year in Durham, but did Coach K really have anything to do with that? Jabari was seen as an immense offensive talent coming out of high school. I would go so far as to say Jabari was one of the worst defenders in the entire country last year. Of course you can say that was because of Jabari having to guard guys bigger than him and being a post defender, but he was absolutely horrible as a help defender and didn’t have a clue how to rotate. Coach K is seen as a defensive guy but did he coach Jabari on how to play defense? Jabari was lost on the defensive end all year and couldn’t see the floor defensively during crunch time against Mercer. Jabari was also seen as a good passer coming out of high school, but was an absolute ball hog the entire year. He didn’t have more than 2 assists in a game all year. In my opinion Jabari was entitled at Duke and was never a team player. In the NBA, he doesn’t have that entitlement and nobody in the league cares you played at Duke. Jabari has to earn his minutes and he isn’t going to be given playing time just because he was the number 2 pick.

[tuck243Participant]

I’m glad someone mention this about Kidd…  It’s really a head scratcher as to why he honestly believe Brandon Knight is the answer to all his problems…  Giannis, Henson, Jabari, and Sanders should all have equal (if not more rope) than Knight…  Yes, Knight is getting his stats, but at what costs?  The Bucks play MUCH better when he’s on the bench…  

I’m all for doing what you need to do to win games…but giving Brandon Knight the keys isn’t winning this team games..  And won’t win them games either…  I would like for everyone here to watch every game of the Bucks this year (I’ve watched everyone, but the Magic game)…  If Jabari’s defense is trash then what’s Brandon Knight’s?  He gets torched every game (not kidding)…  I just can’t understand J Kidd’s reasoning in playing through Brandon Knight when you have your future playing as a role player…

 

[machu46Participant]

1. The reason Knight gets a longer leash is because of the competition at their respective positions.  Giannis is competing with Jabari, Middleton, and Ersan for minutes.  Same with Jabari.  Larry simply can’t stay out of foul trouble, and has been so enemic offensively that he’s actually hurt the team half the time despite playing elite defense.  I mean seriously, I’ve never seen a center that only attempts layups and dunks shoot under 40% from the field.  It’s really incredible how horrible Larry has been on the offensive end.  Knight has nobody fighting him for minutes besides maybe Jerryd Bayless.  Also, it makes sense that Knight would have a long leash because they need to figure out if he’s worth extending this season.  That’s not an issue for the other guys you mentioned.

2. The Bucks play better when Knight is on the bench because the other team’s starters are also on the bench.  The Bucks starting lineup sucks, but they have a lot of depth, so when teams go to their benches, the Bucks get stronger relative to their competition.

 

[machu46Participant]

1. The reason Knight gets a longer leash is because of the competition at their respective positions.  Giannis is competing with Jabari, Middleton, and Ersan for minutes.  Same with Jabari.  Larry simply can’t stay out of foul trouble, and has been so enemic offensively that he’s actually hurt the team half the time despite playing elite defense.  I mean seriously, I’ve never seen a center that only attempts layups and dunks shoot under 40% from the field.  It’s really incredible how horrible Larry has been on the offensive end.  Knight has nobody fighting him for minutes besides maybe Jerryd Bayless.  Also, it makes sense that Knight would have a long leash because they need to figure out if he’s worth extending this season.  That’s not an issue for the other guys you mentioned.

2. The Bucks play better when Knight is on the bench because the other team’s starters are also on the bench.  The Bucks starting lineup sucks, but they have a lot of depth, so when teams go to their benches, the Bucks get stronger relative to their competition.

 

[tuck243Participant]

I’m glad someone mention this about Kidd…  It’s really a head scratcher as to why he honestly believe Brandon Knight is the answer to all his problems…  Giannis, Henson, Jabari, and Sanders should all have equal (if not more rope) than Knight…  Yes, Knight is getting his stats, but at what costs?  The Bucks play MUCH better when he’s on the bench…  

I’m all for doing what you need to do to win games…but giving Brandon Knight the keys isn’t winning this team games..  And won’t win them games either…  I would like for everyone here to watch every game of the Bucks this year (I’ve watched everyone, but the Magic game)…  If Jabari’s defense is trash then what’s Brandon Knight’s?  He gets torched every game (not kidding)…  I just can’t understand J Kidd’s reasoning in playing through Brandon Knight when you have your future playing as a role player…

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

Lol hilarious how you guys are making excuses for Jabari.

Kidd has actually done a real good job coaching that team so far. Their defense has made great strides. Knight has actually improved. 

Have you seen Jabari play defense in the NBA? He’s awful. Almost as bad as his shooting percentages. 41% from the field, 55% from the FT line. 25% from 3.

He’s starting and getting minutes (3rd on the team) so he’s getting a chance to prove himself. You can’t be out there late in the game if you aren’t defending and/or being an efficent offensive player.

[machu46Participant]

Agreed.  I’ve been very impressed with Kidd (granted last year I had to watch Larry Drew drive this team into the ground, but still).  Kidd has them hustling their asses off, and while his half-court offenses have been kind of a mess so far, it’s a good concept; we simply don’t have the personnel for it yet.

[machu46Participant]

Agreed.  I’ve been very impressed with Kidd (granted last year I had to watch Larry Drew drive this team into the ground, but still).  Kidd has them hustling their asses off, and while his half-court offenses have been kind of a mess so far, it’s a good concept; we simply don’t have the personnel for it yet.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

 Lol like Mayo, Dudley or Middleton play better defense than him? He even sits out Giannis late in games if your talking about defense. He is probably their best permimeter defender and he STILL sits them out. His rtations are wack. But not all blame should be put to Kidd though. The management has done a head-scratching job too. Paying a good chunk of money to the likes of Bayles, Mayo or Zaza who don’t really make your team much btter but is instead causing logjams in every position.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

 Lol like Mayo, Dudley or Middleton play better defense than him? He even sits out Giannis late in games if your talking about defense. He is probably their best permimeter defender and he STILL sits them out. His rtations are wack. But not all blame should be put to Kidd though. The management has done a head-scratching job too. Paying a good chunk of money to the likes of Bayles, Mayo or Zaza who don’t really make your team much btter but is instead causing logjams in every position.

[machu46Participant]

All three of those guys play far better defense than Jabari.  I mean seriously, this team is one of the top 5 defenses in the league right now despite the fact that Jabari is completely lost almost 100% of the time.  OJ has been very good defensively, and Dudley and Middleton have been passable.

Giannis role within the team has grown a lot over recent games, and both he and Jabari helped to close out this past game against Miami.

And Bayless, Mayo, and Zaza have all played surprisingly well this year.  Those three are a big reason that Milwaukee currently has arguably the best bench in the league.

 

 

[machu46Participant]

All three of those guys play far better defense than Jabari.  I mean seriously, this team is one of the top 5 defenses in the league right now despite the fact that Jabari is completely lost almost 100% of the time.  OJ has been very good defensively, and Dudley and Middleton have been passable.

Giannis role within the team has grown a lot over recent games, and both he and Jabari helped to close out this past game against Miami.

And Bayless, Mayo, and Zaza have all played surprisingly well this year.  Those three are a big reason that Milwaukee currently has arguably the best bench in the league.

 

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

Lol hilarious how you guys are making excuses for Jabari.

Kidd has actually done a real good job coaching that team so far. Their defense has made great strides. Knight has actually improved. 

Have you seen Jabari play defense in the NBA? He’s awful. Almost as bad as his shooting percentages. 41% from the field, 55% from the FT line. 25% from 3.

He’s starting and getting minutes (3rd on the team) so he’s getting a chance to prove himself. You can’t be out there late in the game if you aren’t defending and/or being an efficent offensive player.

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Carmelo Anthony averaged 36.5 minutes a game in his rookie season, no reason why Milwaukee would not want Jabari to play similar minutes now.

The Bucks won’t win the championship this season, it is very unlikely, so they need to play for the future.  That means playing J Parker, Greek guy and certainly not starting Jared Dudley and giving him a big role.

It is also about giving the fans what they want.  The Bucks want a new arena, they really need to start entertaining.  Giving the second pick in the draft more minutes would help there.  Less Ilyasova and Dudley too. 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Carmelo Anthony averaged 36.5 minutes a game in his rookie season, no reason why Milwaukee would not want Jabari to play similar minutes now.

The Bucks won’t win the championship this season, it is very unlikely, so they need to play for the future.  That means playing J Parker, Greek guy and certainly not starting Jared Dudley and giving him a big role.

It is also about giving the fans what they want.  The Bucks want a new arena, they really need to start entertaining.  Giving the second pick in the draft more minutes would help there.  Less Ilyasova and Dudley too. 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Jason Kidd is still refining his rotations and as people who watch a lot of the Bucks have said on here, a lot is figuring out where best to play Giannis and Jabari. Plus you have Sanders good defensive game but he has a very mediocore offence. Kidd has a decent depth on his team and I wonder if he is trying to keep everyone happy by spreading minutes around and basically finding out what the best match ups are. 10 guys on the roster are averaging over 17mpg so minutes are being handed around. 

On a young team, the line up will develop and it will depend on which team you are playing, against bigger teams you’d see Zara and Sanders get greater minutes but against smallball teams you could see Giannis much more in the frontcourt.

Kidd has given Jabari decent playing time and has given him a starting role, so I don’t see any issue with how he is developing him.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Jason Kidd is still refining his rotations and as people who watch a lot of the Bucks have said on here, a lot is figuring out where best to play Giannis and Jabari. Plus you have Sanders good defensive game but he has a very mediocore offence. Kidd has a decent depth on his team and I wonder if he is trying to keep everyone happy by spreading minutes around and basically finding out what the best match ups are. 10 guys on the roster are averaging over 17mpg so minutes are being handed around. 

On a young team, the line up will develop and it will depend on which team you are playing, against bigger teams you’d see Zara and Sanders get greater minutes but against smallball teams you could see Giannis much more in the frontcourt.

Kidd has given Jabari decent playing time and has given him a starting role, so I don’t see any issue with how he is developing him.

 

 

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