[HitsterParticipant]

With the NBA still in lockout and all these random ideas cropping up on here. One that occured to me that might benefit teams and players is contract flipping – simply a player signs a deal which increases every year as a major FA but then it is agreed with the team that the contract can be flipped. So his higher later year’s earnings come sooner when the player is probably in his prime and his lower earnings come at the end of the contract when he may be at veteran stage.

This is different from front loaded contracts as it allows the player to earn the higher money quicker and he still retains the eligibility of his first year earnings on this deal for any further contracts. The player still earns the same money over his contract and the teams may find it easier to trade a player in year 5 or 6 of his deal if it is for several million dollars less. Take Joe Johnson as an example, Atlanta’s deal with Joe Johnson last summer worth $119 million over 6 years, currently worth $18 million a year but rising to $24.8 million in 2015/16 when Joe will be 34 years old. If his deal was flipped then he gets his biggest money in his current prime years and does not lose out and in his final year his deal would be worth around $7 million less than it will be so if he was on the trading block then he would be a much more attractive option.

This suggestion mainly concerns guys who sign the huge deals in their mid to late 20’s, lets say Deron Williams, CP3 etc get a 5 year deal next summer they could get the money they would have to wait another 4 or 5 years to earn in their first year and still get the full value of their contract. If another deal followed on from that then that can still start at the highest value of their previous deal.

Teams would be limited to how many flipped contracts they could do maybe a max of one a year or even 3 in 5 years if you wanted to be tough. Rookie deals could not be flipped and the agreement would have to be from both sides so players or teams could not do it for their own means.

[aamir543Participant]

I like the idea, as it would give teams like Atlanta and Orlando more cap flexibility when they are no longer a viable playoff threat, however I don’t believe that this will be viewed as a negotiating point, as they have much bigger and controversial points to work out.

The reason I particualarly like this deal, is that someone like Rahsard Lewis wouldn’t be earning 24 mil right now, instead he would be earning that money when it would have been slightly more appropriate, and a team like Orlando would have around 15 more million avalible in cap at this moment, due to Arenas, Turk, and Richardson.

[aamir543Participant]

I like the idea, as it would give teams like Atlanta and Orlando more cap flexibility when they are no longer a viable playoff threat, however I don’t believe that this will be viewed as a negotiating point, as they have much bigger and controversial points to work out.

The reason I particualarly like this deal, is that someone like Rahsard Lewis wouldn’t be earning 24 mil right now, instead he would be earning that money when it would have been slightly more appropriate, and a team like Orlando would have around 15 more million avalible in cap at this moment, due to Arenas, Turk, and Richardson.

[aamir543Participant]

I like the idea, as it would give teams like Atlanta and Orlando more cap flexibility when they are no longer a viable playoff threat, however I don’t believe that this will be viewed as a negotiating point, as they have much bigger and controversial points to work out.

The reason I particualarly like this deal, is that someone like Rahsard Lewis wouldn’t be earning 24 mil right now, instead he would be earning that money when it would have been slightly more appropriate, and a team like Orlando would have around 15 more million avalible in cap at this moment, due to Arenas, Turk, and Richardson.

[ChewyParticipant]

Last summer the Bulls went after Redick and they knew that Orlando was over the cap. So the contract that the Bulls offered (which Orlando matched) was like 7 mil that upcomming year and then 6.5 the next and 6 the year after. They tried to front load the contract to keep Orlando from matching. It didn’t work and I know 7 mil isn’t superstar money, but it was the example that came to mind.

[ChewyParticipant]

Last summer the Bulls went after Redick and they knew that Orlando was over the cap. So the contract that the Bulls offered (which Orlando matched) was like 7 mil that upcomming year and then 6.5 the next and 6 the year after. They tried to front load the contract to keep Orlando from matching. It didn’t work and I know 7 mil isn’t superstar money, but it was the example that came to mind.

[ChewyParticipant]

Last summer the Bulls went after Redick and they knew that Orlando was over the cap. So the contract that the Bulls offered (which Orlando matched) was like 7 mil that upcomming year and then 6.5 the next and 6 the year after. They tried to front load the contract to keep Orlando from matching. It didn’t work and I know 7 mil isn’t superstar money, but it was the example that came to mind.

[raybeasParticipant]

an option for non-max contracts under the old CBA. I think Milsap had a front-loaded contract also. The flipping idea I think you are advocating would be of more use for a 30 yr old player seeking a max type contract, where you could pay him $24mil as a 30 yr old and decrease down to $18mil or so by 35.

[raybeasParticipant]

an option for non-max contracts under the old CBA. I think Milsap had a front-loaded contract also. The flipping idea I think you are advocating would be of more use for a 30 yr old player seeking a max type contract, where you could pay him $24mil as a 30 yr old and decrease down to $18mil or so by 35.

[raybeasParticipant]

an option for non-max contracts under the old CBA. I think Milsap had a front-loaded contract also. The flipping idea I think you are advocating would be of more use for a 30 yr old player seeking a max type contract, where you could pay him $24mil as a 30 yr old and decrease down to $18mil or so by 35.

[HitsterParticipant]

The flipping idea is to try and eradicate guys who are in their mid 30’s on well over $20 million when they are past their prime. Rashard Lewis is another example of this which could help both sides as The Indian states, Carlos Boozer at Chicago is another guy where it could be mutually beneficial.

Kevin Pritchard frontloaded an offer to Paul Millsap a few summers back which Utah matched but it put them in a bit of cap trouble. Some contracts are front loaded for example Ben Wallace when he went from Detroit to Chicago and perhaps this made him easier to trade in later years.

[HitsterParticipant]

The flipping idea is to try and eradicate guys who are in their mid 30’s on well over $20 million when they are past their prime. Rashard Lewis is another example of this which could help both sides as The Indian states, Carlos Boozer at Chicago is another guy where it could be mutually beneficial.

Kevin Pritchard frontloaded an offer to Paul Millsap a few summers back which Utah matched but it put them in a bit of cap trouble. Some contracts are front loaded for example Ben Wallace when he went from Detroit to Chicago and perhaps this made him easier to trade in later years.

[HitsterParticipant]

The flipping idea is to try and eradicate guys who are in their mid 30’s on well over $20 million when they are past their prime. Rashard Lewis is another example of this which could help both sides as The Indian states, Carlos Boozer at Chicago is another guy where it could be mutually beneficial.

Kevin Pritchard frontloaded an offer to Paul Millsap a few summers back which Utah matched but it put them in a bit of cap trouble. Some contracts are front loaded for example Ben Wallace when he went from Detroit to Chicago and perhaps this made him easier to trade in later years.

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