[mouchy18Participant]

 After watching this wall vs rose match up, I’m convinced Kyrie Irving is a better pg at this present moment and may be equal if not better than rose in 3 yrs. wall plays out of control, has no body awareness and has made no strides with his jump shot. Kyrie has great pace, body control and a feel for the game that is innate. his shooting ability will separate him from rose and I believe he plays a bit more balanced in terms of shooting to passing than rose. Kyrie is d.will 2.0 

What are your thoughts guys? In 6 yrs who will be the most highly regarded?

[F_DA_POParticipant]

Did you just say rookie Kyrie Irving is a better PG than the MVP Derrick Rose?

[mouchy18Participant]

 No of course not, not currently, he is better than wall, I believ he will be better than rose. In my opinion I don’t rose playing above this level although he is only 23. He is at a high level right now but he feel for the game is different than Irving’s so I believe in 4 yrs he will be above rose

[alex23Participant]

 you cant say that yet.. however i feel kyrie plays more like a taller cp3 i the way hiw he handles himself on the court as well as body control and a good jumpshot, same with wall but to a much lesser extent 

[DanEboyParticipant]

I think he meant that he is better than Wall right now, and will be better than Rose in three years. Either way, it is a dumb thread.

In 6 years? Who the hell knows.

[alex23Participant]

 john wall is pretty young maybe if he gets a better team as well as improve himself  these next few years he can be a great pg as well

[akhan786Participant]

Chill man chill. I’m one of the biggest Kyrie homers on this site but the kid hasn’t even played 20 games in the NBA and you’re comparing him to the MVP!?!?

I agree that I think Kyrie has the potential to be among the upper echelon of PGs in the league and is already one of the best scoring PG’s in the league (6th PPG per 48 min only behind Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Anthony, and Love. And is the only one shooting above 50% on True shooting percentage other than Lebron), but he has a lot to learn.

For one thing he needs to cut down on his turnovers. I’m pretty sure he is somewhere near the bottom of the league in turnovers (although he has an identical turnover percentage as Rubio), and really needs to take care of the ball. He also needs to get a lot more assists to be considered elite.

Of course this will most likely be fixed with more experience in the league (only having 30 games since highschool for a PG who doesn’t rely on his athleticism to get buckets is ridiculous) and also once the Cavs surround Kyrie with some guys who can actually catch and shoot the ball.

Kyrie may have had 32 points the other night (17 in the last 3 minutes to bring the Cavs back within 3), but he should have never had to put the team on his shoulders and bring them all the way back if his teammates actually hit 10-15 shots (by my count) he beautifully created in the first half.

He needs to learn how to bring both his scoring and playmaking every single night. Once he’s figured that out…he’ll be one of the most dangerous players in the league.

[mouchy18Participant]

 Akhan great analysis…but I watched Irving and I can see coach Scott has not truly given him the keys to the car. That offense doesn’t really go through Irving & I believe he plays tentative early which leads to some turnovers. Once Scott completely buys in irving will take off. Just watching him you see such a mature game, you didn’t really get that feel from rose or wall this point in their career. Thats the point being made

[DanEboyParticipant]

I don’t know, every offseason Rose works to try and perfect one aspect of his game. First it was his mid range shot, then it was his free throw shooting, and now he has that insane one handed floater. Don’t assume he can’t play above this level when he keeps working to stay above it.

I have no doubts that Irving will be among the elite PGs, and players, very soon. You just can’t say he is going to better than an MVP 20 games into his career without expecting some negative feedback.

Especially from me!

[bloodshyParticipant]

Kyrie is not as good as Rose, Wall or CP3 were when they were rookies.  Compare their stat lines.  Watch their footage.

Kyrie will never have the burst and power that Rose or Wall have and he’ll never be as fast as CP3.  I do agree that Kyrie has some similarities to DWill.  Of elite pgs in the NBA right now, he reminds me most of DWill.  He has a great first step and is a high level shooter for a pg.  He’s probably better than DWill was as a rookie too.  However, we’ve seen a limitless quantity of promising rooks fade into irrelevancy in years 2-10.  Kyrie has the tools to become a great player, but his consistency is not close to the top dogs in the league at this point.  He may become a star, but all of the guys you just foolishly dissed have done substantially more and looked far more promising than Kyrie has at this point.

[Pro-21Participant]

 I agree that we should just let things play out, but Kyrie would be averaging 21 ppg and about 7 assists per game if he played 35 minutes a game. Kyrie is a better passer than rose and taller than CP3, but isnt quite as quick as either of them, but looks to be a much better shooter. I think we should wait until the end of the season to make a real judgement, but if he keeps this up I could see him being a top 5 PG by next year. Also dont give up on wall, Hes still very young, give him another 1 or 2 years and hes a definite allstar.

[PabloFiascoParticipant]

I say we stop predicting and sit back and watch players develop…for some it takes longer than others

John Wall was put in a terrible situation w/o a good coach. DRose had a better support system better coaches. Kyrie has a decent coach in Byron Scott who’s coached some good PG’s in JKidd and CP3..he’ll mold Kyrie according to his skillset

For now let’s see how it all lays out

[EntropyParticipant]

I think you meant he is projecting better than the two, "projecting" being the key word.

[mouchy18Participant]

 Clearly half the guys didn’t read the post, it is a projection in comparing him to rose. However I did say he is better than wall now. To another point what does elite athleticism have to do with being a great pg? It factors in don’t get me wrong but just because he isn’t quite the athlete those other guys are doesn’t mean he can’t be better. Stockton and magic weren’t great athletes & they are all timers. I would rather have a prime d-will or cp3 running my team rather than rose or a Westbrook, since most people project Irvings game to progress to that kind of level I have to assume he will be rated over rose in the future

[Maniac MaciejParticipant]

If everything goes right for Kyrie Irving over the next 6 years, he will still not be as good as D-Rose is now. He simply doesn’t have the physical gifts that D-Rose has, and would be hard-pressed to match his incredible work ethic.

I think we’re looking at the second coming of Chauncey Billups in Irving, but he has to learn to protect the ball MUCH better. He isn’t half the passer that CP3 is, for those trying to make that comparison, but he is bigger, stronger and should be a better outside shooter.

Wall is lost right now. He has ridiculous physical gifts, which leads to some incredible highlights, but his ability to run a team, and control a game is highly suspect at this point. The question is, is that something that can be learned?

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

I read it as a projection, but I still don’t know what you are talking about. Kyrie is not better than Rose and never will be. Kyrie may be a better 3pt shooter but that’s about it. He is not a better passer, he is not a better defender, he does not have more athletic ability. Rose was awarded the MVP in just his third year. Yeah, that’s right his third year. If you really think Kyrie will be the better player than that means that Kyrie will need to get his MVP by next year? Come on, seriously, be real.

Read this quote again, "I don’t know, every offseason Rose works to try and perfect one aspect of his game. First it was his mid range shot, then it was his free throw shooting, and now he has that insane one handed floater. Don’t assume he can’t play above this level when he keeps working to stay above it." Yes, I believe Kyrie will work to improve or perfect one aspect of his game every offseason, but that does not mean he will be a better player. Again, I said "believe", I don’t know that he is going to do that. And if you think that Kyrie is very comparable to Dwill and will be better than Rose, than that means that you think Dwill is better than Rose right now. That’s actually very debatable, but I think I would take Rose over Dwill.

Don’t get me wrong Kyrie is a great player, and I really like him, but to say he will be better than Rose after 20 games or so into his rookie year is just asking for a beat down.

[Ghost01Participant]

 I honestly thought this thread would be aruging Kyrie over Wall, which I wouldnt have too much problem with. Comparing him to D Rose? Cmonnnn now. 

[darko4prezParticipant]

I don’t think he will score as often once he has more weapons around him. I envision guys like Terrell Brandon, Mike Bibby, or Tony Parker with an outside shot. Very good players with long careers but never the best PG in the league.

[IknoBall12Participant]

i agree that kyrie is better than wall. Alot of you bring up stats and that sfine but thats not why i say he is better. John wall’s game is relied upon his athleticism. i think kyries just overall game is better. kyrie has a far better jumper and feel for the game than wall. as far and the cp3 and dwill comparison i like the Dwill comparison better right now. only becuase he is more of a scorer than a distributor. at the end of the season im sure we will see different but for now i like the dwill comparison

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