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COME ON!!!! (An NFL Draft Rant/Post)

COME ON:

  • The Oregon Ducks. National Runner-ups to the NCAA Championship. 1 draft pick thus far? What gives? I really hope Jeff Maehl, Brandon Bair, Kenny Rowe and Spencer Paysinger go in the 7th round, and I want to say, teams are missing out.
  • As a Vikings fan, I hate the Christian Ponder pick as much as pretty much everyone else does. Please say Donovan McNabb signs with us next year!
  • The Fairley/Suh combo is going to be dangerous. I really like that pick for the Lions (famous last words).
  • The Patriots, as always, are brilliant. You may not like them, or even agree with all of their picks, but they win draft after draft.
  • Gallenberger, your Packers are looking good.
  • Automatically like the Eagles more for taking Casey Matthews! He is not Clay, but he is a gamer.
  • Patrick Peterson is the best player in the draft, well done Cardinals.
  • Julio Jones better play really well next year. He is a beast, but that was a lot for the Falcons to give up for one player. Seeing that the trend in the NFC South is that you go from first to screwed, these Falcons better buck it. Luckily, they more than likely will with a great defense, Matt Ryan, Roddy White and hopefully Michael Turner (never know about RB's). Also, as much as I dislike his school, Jacquizz Rodgers could be a nice 5th round pick.
  • Congrats to David Carter, DL from UCLA for getting drafted by the Cardinals. He is the only draft prospect this year who I know, he went to my bro's show back in September, and I want to shout him out! Go get'em David! (Also, his bro Chris went to the Steelers, nice!)
  • In my mind, 1 of the 3 QB's in the top 10 will become solid NFL players. That seems to be the case, and I would not be surprised if it was Blaine Gabbert. Still, best of luck to all of them. Cam will be handing the ball off to my man Jonathan Stewart, and not to mention on the same team as Geoff Schwartz and Dante Rosario. Also, if Jake Locker's accuracy and QB skills ever catch up with his athleticism, he could be lethal. Hard work though, and the pressure is on.
  • I really liked Cinci taking AJ Green and Andy Dalton. Well done in my book.
  • My Mock Draft, was AWFUL. Todd McShay shall never be trusted again.
  • Jon Gruden is probably my favorite commentator on any channel right now.

I am sure there will be more to come, feel free to leave your NFL Draft thoughts and comments.


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Casey Mathews

I was a big fan of this pick for my Birds. Although he is a bit slow, the dude is clearly a good football player who will start from day 1. Eagles addressed needs at Guard, Center, Kicker, Linebacker, Corner, Safety, and got a good value pick in Dion Lewis. Not overly excited, nor exactly how I would of drafted, but I'm just happy knowing the Eagles made a legit effort to keep Mike Vick on the field.

The Patriots on the other hand took a bunch of players, as usual, that I wanted the Birds to target. Ras-I Dowling, Marcus Cannon, and Lee Smith were 3 players I was praying the Eagles would get. Especially considering where they got drafted at.

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What do you think about the

What do you think about the Ravens picking the Smith boys? I've heard the one from Colorado is pretty good.

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dont get me started on the

dont get me started on the fu-ckn bears.... what a pathetic franchise you give up the most sacks and draft one friggin lineman are u kidding.... cutler still has no weapons no line no help at all.... and in typical bears fashion they draft all defense and waste a 5th round pick on a bloody QB who will be out of the league in 2-3yrs. Why did they even trade for cutler when all they do is draft D and spend money on defense give me a break. and then ppl w/ no fball knowledge have the audacity to say cutler sucks... STFU he has no line no WRs in denver he was a 25 yr old pro bowler.... im so fed up w/ the bears right now

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Lame

1 player from the NCAA runner-up team in 2011? Just one? Really now, NFL teams!! Jeff Maehl blazed Auburn and the Pac-10 all season, not to mention has been our best wide out for longer than that. He sets the damn record at the 3-cone drill! Nothing? Not even a 7th? That sucks. Well, I feel bad for those guys, especially since they will have to wait and see what team they would eventually go and play for due to the damn lockout.

Yeah man, the Bears are lame for not taking every quick footed 300 pounder in site to protect the QB. Nathan Enderle does have to sting, though if Cutler gets hurt, you do want a better back-up than Hanie or Collins, which he could possibly be. Still, I feel your pain man.

Glad you like Matthews, and I am glad he will play. I know it does not make sense, but he is one of those guys who plays a lot faster than he is. Not going to be a killer in coverage, but his instincts are real and he has a nose for the ball. Remember, he slammed Cam Newton damn good in that NC game, and he has a lot of experience. Bloodlines do tend to mean something, and in Matthews case, his should turn out to produce a damn good football player. I liked the Eagles already, and with Matthews, I am sure I will cheer for them more often than not.

I liked the Ravens draft a lot. I was hearing Casey was going to go to them, but regardless, Jimmy and Torrey Smith should both be beasts. Jimmy is incredibly talented, and hopefully they will mentor him and keep him out of trouble. Torrey is a speedster, who I think is a nice sleeper prospect at wideout. Jah Reid looks like a sleeper too at T, the guy is massive and moves pretty well. Not to mention late scores of Tandon Doss and Tyrod Taylor could turn out to be very nice picks as well. The Ravens usually draft well, and I feel this year was no different, other than that slight snafu with the Bears in the first round.

Other thoughts:

  • One of these days, the Redskins are going to have to take a good receiver in the first round. This was not the year for them, but that was a major issue that I am not sure they solved, despite choosing three of them.
  • Da'Quan Bowers could of course be a steal for the Buccaneers, though I am not sure they needed to draft two pass rushers in the first two rounds.
  • The Raiders have turned into the jokes of the draft. I know people probably knew this already, but wanted to reiterate, they are terrible at drafting. Al Davis is a menace.
  • I know I should probably not question Pete Carroll after last year, but, what was he thinking this year? Have fun with Charlie Whitehurst......
  • The Chiefs and Bills both had surprisingly solid drafts. The new regime in Denver looked suspect and the 49ers should keep themselves in premium position to draft Andrew Luck.
  • The Pats always look brilliant, but teams like the Giants, Steelers, Packers, Ravens and Jets all showed why they are near the top of the league right now.
  • The Vikings had a wack draft. Damn.
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Packers had a pretty good draft. Really liked their early rounders. Vikings got some guys who can play but didn't really get any better and Ponder isn't a franchise QB. Julio for the Falcons draft wasn't worth it. Locker went too high. Newton going one was going to happen, still a poor pick though. Lions with Fairley and Bucs with Clayborn and Bowers really bolstered their D-Lines.

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oh god my seattle seahawks

oh god my seattle seahawks are eating pure shi+ today. so our biggest need was at QB, without a doubt...we have an aging and broken matt hasselebeck, an uninterested and noodle-armed charlie whitehurst and the hawks dont draft a QB

not only do they not draft a QB but they take a bunch of bad players too...guys that are unheard of and not on any radars, they passed on so many good players it blows my f'ing mind...f my life, charlie whitehurst blows whale c*ock

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Nice points you bring up. Agree on all. I'm sure the 49ers and Seahawks will both take long hard looks at Kevin Kolb once the CBA gets put into place. Who ever gets him could win that division.
And the Vikings seriously did have one of the most wack first 2 rounds I have seen. I didn't like Ponder before the 3rd round and they already have good TE's so why draft one? If I was their GM I prolly would of gone Prince in the first and then traded back a few picks in the 2nd and take a chance on Mallet. O well, one less team to threaten the Eagles.
And the Bears made good 1st and 2nd round picks but should of gone Clint Boing or a WR in the 3rd.

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Everyone always gets on

Everyone always gets on Cutler for holding the ball, althought Chicago really needs to stop making excuses and spend some money on decent O-Liners.

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^ Gabe Carimi is my #1 OT in

^ Gabe Carimi is my #1 OT in the draft. Tyron Smith got picked purely on measureables. Anthony Costanzo is a finnese blocker and is a bit soft, James Carpenter over Carimi is a complete joke unless he's kicked in to guard. Carimi has the best punch and physicality in the draft. He immediately makes the Bears oline better. Pouncey at 15 is a joke. You can't justify taking a guard at 15. His brother is 2x the player and went after 15, Ben Grubbs went in the 20's and is superior to Pouncey. Watkins is actually the best guard in the draft problem is he's 26. I'd still take him over Pouncey though who is so overrated.

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I agree with every single thing you just said. Great minds....

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@ mikeyvthedon i know man

@ mikeyvthedon i know man Jeff Maehl was incredible in the NC game.... and had a great career at oregon

he'll make a team as a unsigned FA and i honestly think he'll have a long career in the nfl

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Hey guys if you request it I

Hey guys if you request it I will review your teams draft. I'll start off reviewing my home town Redskins draft:

Ryan Kerrigan: C+: Nice motor and work ethic does not project as an every down player. Can't cover or play in space, too small to play on the line. Situational pass rusher. Could end up bulking up and playing DE ala Paul Kruger. Bad fit schematically. Chris Long comparisons are good, he's a 4-3 RDE. This is just a bad fit.

Jarvis Jenkins: B+: Very nice pick, slight reach. Perfect 5 tech prospect. Needs to get his body up to par though, a bit pudgy and not overly strong.

Leonard Hankerson: A: Steal. Big with decent speed and vertical ability. Needs to stop body catching though.

Roy Helu: C+: Really similar to Ryan Torrain. Hits the hole very quick and has some nice straight line speed. Negatives very small lower body, will never break a tackle, injury prone.

Dejon Gomes: C: Pretty big reach. Profiles as no more than a special teams player. Lots of intensity and special teams ability, not great in coverage. Has played LB before, could be used in that Reed Doughty role.

Niles Paul: C: Big and fast, playmaker. Doesn't run good routes and has suspect hands. Can be a kick returner. Really similar to Devin Thomas.

Evan Royster: D: Very nice hands, nice vision/patience. Slow as sin though. Might not have the speed to hit the hole in the NFL. Profiles as a 3rd down back, like his hands a lot. Slow and not strong, not a good combination.

Aldrick Robinson: A: Maybe our best pick of the draft. Speedy guy who is a prototype slot. Will probably have a much brighter future than Niles Paul.

Brandyn Thompson: C: Fast and a playmaker, lacks size to be a real contributor. Nickel DB at best.

Maurice Hurt: F: late 6th/7th round prospect prior to testing positive for drugs at the combine. Unlikely to make the roster.

Markus White: D: Pretty productive at FSU but doesn't fit well in a 3-4. Will have to play OLB but with a 4.9 forty it's not likely. He's an extremely extremely poor man's Andre Carter.

Chris Nield: C+: Should compete for a roster spot. Absolute plug. Great work ethic and strenth, lacks ideal NT size, doesn't penetrate, and has really short arms for a NT.

Quantity over quality but with the weakest roster in the NFL I'm fine with it.

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well ghetto

can you do my squad the Eagles (and your divisional rivals) ... I don't know all the NCAAF players but I do wish the Eagles took Mark Ingram (who was selected I think 2 picks later by NO) I think McCoy/Ingram would have been great for next season!

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Colts

Anthony Castonzo:A:Great pick, although fairly obvious with a huge OT need and him still on the board.

Benjamin Ijalana:B-:A bit of an unknown coming from Villanova, but will help out a very poor O-line of last season.

Drake Nevis:B+:Good pick. LSU is a D-line factory and the position has been in flux for 7-8 years now.

Delone Carter:B:Good pick as well. Finally, the Colts get a big, downhill runner instead of a little guy.

Chris Rucker:B:Solid pick. CB is a bit shaky and this guy played well at MSU.

Overall:A-:Very good draft. No big names but filled needs very well.

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Could you review the Giants

Could you review the Giants draft?

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Ingram over Carmimi, Watkins, Smith, etc.? Nah lol. But yea ghetto I would love a breakdown for the Birds if you get a chance. Love seeing non-biased draft opinions.

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Dang

Looking back on the depth of my Colts post compared to ghettoSermon's Skins post, I kind of look like a poser...

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lol its coo man...maybe

lol its coo man...maybe ghettosermon does some serious studying of the NFL draft....CAN AN INSIDER PLEASE POST MEL KIPER'S DRAFT GRADES THANKS SO MUCH!

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Giants: One of the best

Giants: One of the best drafts.

Prince Amukamara: A: Can’t knock on this pick in any way. One of the steals of the first. Amukamara is top 10 talent. Could have gone #7 to San Fran, #9 to Dallas, and #13 to Detroit and they would be great picks. Creates an incredible CB rotation with Webster, TT, and Aaron Ross. If Ross ever returns to form that’s lethal. Amukamara is the perfect #2. He isn’t a shutdown like some pegged him but he has pro bowl potential. He is a bit stiff in the hips and as trouble tracking balls as his ball skills are not great, but he is as solid as they come and great in run support. I compare him to a better version of Carlos Rogers.

Marvin Austin: B: Very nice value. Some thought he could go in the first to the Bears to replace Tommie Harris. Austin was suspended the whole year with agent violations but he was the #1 high school recruit coming out of dunbar. Underachiever but had some flashes. His scheme versatility makes him perfect for what the Giants look for. Much like Tuck he can provide interior pressure but also handle the edge against the Run. He’s definitely a DT though unlike Tuck who is more an end.

Jerel Jernigan: A: Love this pick and is supreme value. A poor man’s Percy Harvin he is the prototype slot and has a lot of return value. Will push Manningham for playing time and a nice insurance policy for the constantly injured Steve Smith.

James Brewer: B+: Another great value pick. I had Brewer ranked as a 3rd rounder. Can play both RT and RG.

Greg Jones: C+: Nice value for a big name college player. Supremely productive. Unfortunately physically he’s lacking. Isn’t overly big or fast. Special teams player.

Tyler Sash: A: Dropped like a rock but this guy is a huge steal. 3rd round talent. Measureables are not ideal but he just knows how to play the game. He will be a special teams demon. No reason Shiloh Keo should have gone before him.

Jacquian Williams: C: Struggle to make the roster but has special teams value.

DaRel Scott: C: Eh with Brandon Jacobs likely gone I thought they might address RB earlier. Scott has elite straight line speed but since injuring his knee his sophomore year he has never regained form to what he once was, which looked like a future first rounder. He was once viewed as a potential Brian Westbrook but injuries have taken away his cutting ability. Could make the roster but again he has huge fumble issues which is the reason why Ahmad Bradshaw has lost the coaches confidence.

 

A Bit tired so I’ll do the rest tomorrow, but as for the Eagles Danny Watkins is the perfect Andy Reid pick. He’s a mean blocker who can start at guard right away. Did think the Eagles might go with local boy Ijalana because of his positional versatility. Jaiquwan Jarrett was a nice pick and local kid. He will be a nice backup and in the future you could try lining him beside Nate Allen. Don’t love Curtis Marsh. He’s a pure size/speed guy. Raw technique but has a ton of potential. You aren’t looking at a starter any time soon though. Davon House would have been a better pick. Casey Matthews went about a round early a lot because of his name but he projects as a top flight special teams player with some starting potential. Brian Rolle and Lloyd are your typical fast linebackers you look for and will be special teams demons especially rolle. Henery was a bit early for my taste but he has the strongest leg I’ve seen in the draft since maybe Mason Crosby at Colorado. Perfect replacement for Akers and he can punt as well.

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Would you mind doing one for

Would you mind doing one for the Packers? I'd like to see how your thoughts on them compare to mine.

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^^ Derek Sherrod: A:

^^

Derek Sherrod: A: Perfect pick, lucky Sherrod dropped to 32. Nate Solder going before Sherrod is an absolute joke. Sherrod has all the tools to be a great LT down the line. He compares favorably to a lesser Michael Oher. Physically he has all the tools although his technique is raw. He’s in the perfect situation however as he can be groomed to be the eventual successor to Chad Clifton. Maybe he even plays RT long term if you decide to kick Bulaga inside.

Randall Cobb: B: Love the player and value, don’t love the fit. He is the most versatile receiver in the draft and I see him as a more explosive Randle El. His immediate impact will be in the return game where the packers need him. As for on offense I actually don’t see him as a great fit in the slot. He lacks the ideal quickness and quick twitch ability. I see him as more of a #2 despite his height. He’ll struggle for playing time early with Driver as the #2 especially if James Jones is retained and Jordy had a strong super bowl.

Alex Green: D: I’m sorry I just hate this pick. This pick is about as questionable as the Stevan Ridley pick. Green was taken about 2-3 rounds too early. Green over Taiwan Jones, Kendall Hunter, and Delone Carter I think is just a huge mistake. Alex Green brings nothing that James Starks and Ryan Grant don’t. Green just benefited from playing in a huge spread offense against lower competition. Alex Green does not run with great pad level and despite his size is not overly powerful. With the ability to pick up a great RB in the mid rounds I think spending a 3rd rounder on a running back like Green was a huge mistake. 5 Tech and OLB opposite of Matthews was the Packers biggest need, passing up on Sam Acho as an OLB and Chris Ballard as a 5 tech I think was a huge mistake. Drafting one of those guys would have made this an A draft.

Davon House: A: Ultimate steal. Davon House was my #4 rated CB and would have been a 2nd rounder if he played in a big conference. Davon House has the ideal size/speed ratio. He’s great in man coverage and has good ball skills. He can easily challenge Sam Shields for playing time immediately. Shields was far more raw than House.

D.J. Williams: C+: Like the position, have a couple TE’s ranked higher. We know Finley will eventually be back but a top receiving TE was a need. I like D.J. Williams I just think Virgil Green was better and without the baggage.

Caleb Schlauderaff: C: It’s a nice depth pick, Caleb has a ton of experience and is a solid technician, I just think at this point in the draft you should strive for higher upside guys.

D.J. Smith: C+: Profiles as a good special teams player but doesn’t project to ever contribute much on defense. Is not a great 34 ILB fit.

Ricky Elmore: B+: I love the pick he is a nice project and I think he could compete with Frank Zombo. You’d wish he were a little quicker and a little more smooth in open space but he’s tenacious and will benefit from learning from Clay Matthews.

Ryan Taylor: D: Don’t really like the pick. He’s not a pure blocker or receiver. He’s like a poor man’s Spencer Havner.

Lawrence Guy: A+: Favorite pick for them. Potential starting 5 tech and with the uncertainty at that position it’s huge. If Lawrence Guy went back to school he could have been a 2nd rounder in 2012. Big time recruit with big potential.

Overall I give the Packers a B. Got some great players who will contribute to the team. I do think that neglecting to address 5 tech and OLB until late will end up being a big mistake. With that said having so few weaknesses finding players who fit your scheme is smart.

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Pats screwed up bad trading

Pats screwed up bad trading Richard Seymour for the raiders 1st rounder. Seymour is an all pro and the raiders d line is far better with him

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i think my main thing is with

i think my main thing is with the nfl draft is that it is deep. but teams dont draft proven players often enough. like i would rather have a guy that played for 3 years consistently and wasnt a combine freak than the 1 year guy with crazy combine number(in the later rounds i mean). im not a huge football guy but i would rather have a guy that can in his rookie year play spot situations and be a good special teams player than a project that most likely wont form. matthews is a good example. he wont make any pro bowls but he will fill in well on injuries, giving a guy a rest and will probably make alot of big plays on special teams.

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I think the Green pick was

I think the Green pick was made more as a pick to replace Brandon Jackson, Grant and Starks aren't good 3rd down backs. Driver isn't the number two. he'll likely be number four next year, good write up though.

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Interesting little tidbit

http://oregon.scout.com/2/1068404.html

This was just something on Scout.com showing the correlation between HS ranking and the likelihood of being a first round pick. Odds are slim regardless, but it is pretty interesting nonetheless. It is definitely not an exact look at all statistical elements available, as they just go over the odds for one given year (wit the 50 5 stars and 250 4 stars), but it shows that players ranked highly may have better odds of being first round picks. Still, it also shows that just because you are ranked highly in HS, it by no means gurantees you being one of the first few picks in the draft. I know for a fact a lot of top HS players were taken after the first round this year.

I know yupyup and I were taking about Jadeveon Clowney, who has been rated as by far the best prospect in this years incoming freshman class. Indeed, Clowney looks like a beast, but it will be very interesting to see if in 3-4 years he carries it all the way through to being the top pick in the NFL draft. I honestly can not remember the last time a consensus #1 player in the class went first in the draft as well. It is much harder to predict next level (pro) ability in football than it is in basketball, that is for sure.

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NBA draft or NFL draft high

NBA draft or NFL draft high school rankings are based purely on speculation and the rankings actually weigh heavier on potential than current skill. Predicting how a kid will fill into his body is difficult. Just about every linebacker recruited from high school is under 220 pounds, predicting how they will translate when they get up to 240+ is nearly impossible. Predicting high school players in the NFL is even harder than in the NBA.

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Absolutely

That is what I was saying. See, I think it is easier to make NBA speculation as far as HS players go. In Football, rankings have to be based on college. If someone is a top 10 HS basketball player, the odds are huge they will be an NBA pick. Top 10 football player, not so much. I wonder what the breakdown of the top 100 would be in either sport. I have a feeling basketball has a much higher success rate compared to football. Way harder to predict football players than basketball players in HS evaluation.

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#1 player in each class

#1 player in each class according to ESPN, Rivals, Scout

2002 Vince Young

2003 Kyle Wright, John David Booty, Ernie Sims

2004 Adrian Peterson, Rhett Bomar, Ted Ginn Jr.

2005 Eugene Monroe, Derrick Williams, Mark Sanchez

2006 Myron Rolle, Percy Harvin, Mitch Mustain

2007 Jimmy Clausen, Joe McKnight

2008 Terrelle Pryor, Da'Quan Bowers

Off the players listed above 7 were 1st round picks and only Vince Young and Mark Sanchez went top 5 (assuming TP doesn't go 1st round). I find it pretty interesting.

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Also

QB's taken in the first round over the last 5 years with their ranking in stars in the parentheses

2007 JaMarcus Russell (5), Brady Quinn (4)

2008 Matt Ryan (3), Joe Flacco (3)

2009 Matthew Stafford (5), Mark Sanchez (5), Josh Freeman (4)

2010 Sam Bradford (4), Tim Tebow (5)

2011 Cam Newton (5), Blaine Gabbert (5), Jake Locker (4), Christian Ponder (3)

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