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combine measurements

Does anyone have any info on combine measurements?

I saw a quote from chadfordinsider that Jeremy Tyler measured with the biggest wingspan and highest standing reach (7' 4.5").

Elsewhere I saw Tristan has a 7' 2" wingspan and was 6' 9".

That's all I've seen so far. Why are they teasing us?


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Patience

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/nba-combine

Happens every year, they will get announced eventually, probably later today. Always takes a while to get to the general public, as media is not allowed at these workouts other than ESPN. But, as I said, I have early heard about Thompson being apparently 6'9 without shoes, Kemba 5'11 3/4 without shoes and Darius 6'5 1/4 with shoes. Other than that, I suggest trying to dig on google or just waiting.

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they are doing the measurements

they are doing the measurements today so they will probably come out to the public tomorrow or something.

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From Ford's twitter
  • Tyler had a 7'5 wingspan. Nikola Vucevic 7'4.5.
  • Walker was 5'11.5 without shoes (Still not surprising, guess what I heard was 1/4 of an inch off).
  • Morris twins measured in at around 6'8-6'9, both with wingspans under 7.
  • Marshon Brooks had a 7'1 wingspan, you people saying it was 7'2! Still, ridiculously long for a guard
  • Kanter was 6'9.75 without shoes, 6'11 if you add the inch and a quarter (which I do, because I am guessing those will be the shoes they usually wear, not the ones that make you 2 inches bigger that some of them wear). Also had a 7'1.5 wingspan.
  • Derrick Williams measured at 6'7.7 without shoes, which I think is solid for him
  • Irving measured as being taller than Knight without shoes (6'1.5 to 6'2). Irving did have a shorter wingspan though (6'4-6'6.5), and his body fat percentage of 10.3 is slightly higher than average.
  • Trey Thompkins had the highest body fat percentage at 15.5, which is not that bad, but definitely could be improved upon
  • Kenneth Faried measured at 6'6 in socks, 6'7.25 in shoes, but had a 7 foot wingspan and a solid 9'0 standing reach.
  • Tobias Harris measured pretty small, especially for a PF
  • That is what he has posted thus far as far as measurements, I am sure we will get a breakdown of most every prospect fairly soon.

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I was watching the drills

I was watching the drills before work thismorning and they reported Marcus Morris as 6'9" in shoes with a 6'10" wingspan.

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"Nikola Vucevic 7'4.5" It is

"Nikola Vucevic 7'4.5"

It is amazing how someone who plays in LA can fly under the radar. He has center size, as skilled as any center in this draft who actually played last year, smart, plays hard, and got coaching from two guys who ran NBA-style defenses.

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Looks like Kanter has size to

Looks like Kanter has size to play center, and Derrick Williams looks pretty good and has enough size to play some power forward.

Kemba's height isn't too bad for a point guard.

Irving is kinda chubby with short arms. Not sure he is worth the first pick...

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BothTeamsPlayedHard, I read

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I read the Grizzlies message board a lot and they really like Nikola Vucevic. With Taj Gibson's success he might get a lot of interest. He sounds like Jan Vesely a little bit, but I would rather take a guy who has proven himself more in an American style game.

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^ Huh are you serious? You

^ Huh are you serious? You must have never seen him play to compare him to Vesely. Vesely is a freak athlete. Plays above the rim. Vucevic is a big guy with good skills but lacks NBA athleticism. Even on the college game he struggled keeping up with fast paced games running up and down. His foot speed is not great and he never really finished strong. He's a pure finese guy. He and Vesely have nothing in common other than being foreign. There is a reason why Vesely is a top 10 prospect and Vucevic is a fringe first rounder probably a 2nd rounder.

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Vucevic has been listed at

Vucevic has been listed at 250-260 lbs and sometime this weekend there will be a more updated listing, so his value is as someone who is a center, and three years at USC is about as American as they come.

Vesely is a small forward, so I don't see the comparison.

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Tyler's wingspan is

Tyler's wingspan is impressive but don't forget last year that Dexter Pitman and Hassan Whiteside both measured out longer but only went in the 2nd round.

If you look on a rival site to this they have a measurements history segment you can play around with. Looking at the biggest wingspans ever it's interesting to see some incredible players but also incredible busts with John Riek, Saer Sene, Michael Olowakandi at the top but closely followed by Shaq and Lonzo Mourning for example.

Tyler's draft value looks fairly solid as late first round to early 2nd round, someone is bound to snap him up as a project and if he gets into the right situation then he'll have interesting upside.

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Sorry If I broke the law, Chad Ford:

Name Height without shoes Height with shoes Weight Wingspan Standing reach Body fact (pct) Hand length Hand width

Benson, Keith 6'10'' 6'11'' 217.0 7'3.75'' 9'1.5'' 6.1 9.5 11.0

Brooks, Marshon 6'4.25'' 6'5.25'' 194.6 7'1'' 8'5'' 5.2 9.0 10.5

Burks, Alec 6'5'' 6'6'' 192.6 6'10'' 8'7.5'' 5.1 9.0 8.3

Butler, Jimmy 6'6'' 6'7.75'' 222.2 6'7.5'' 8'5.5'' 5.4 9.0 9.0

Cole, Norris 6'0.25'' 6'1.75'' 174.4 6'2.25'' 7'11.5'' 4.7 8.5 9.5

Diebler, Jon 6'5.25'' 6'6.5'' 196.6 6'6'' 8'3'' 8.5 8.3 8.3

Dunigan, Michael 6'8.5'' 6'10'' 237.6 7'3.25'' 8'11.5'' 8.0 9.0 10.8

Dunn, LaceDarius 6'3'' 6'4'' 187.8 6'6.25'' 8'5'' 5.5 9.0 10.3

Faried, Kenneth 6'6'' 6'7.5'' 224.6 7'0'' 9'0'' 6.3 8.5 10.3

Fredette, James 6'0.75'' 6'2.5'' 196.0 6'4.5'' 8'0.5'' 7.7 8.0 8.5

Goudelock, Andrew 6'1.25'' 6'2.75'' 197.6 6'4.25'' 8'0.5'' 9.9 8.3 9.3

Hamilton, Jordan 6'6.75'' 6'8.5'' 228.4 6'9.5'' 8'8'' 9.8 9.0 9.3

Harper, Justin 6'8'' 6'8.75'' 228.0 6'11.75'' 8'10'' 4.0 9.0 9.3

Harris, Tobias 6'6.5'' 6'7.75'' 222.8 6'11'' 8'7.5'' 8.4 8.8 9.0

Honeycutt, Tyler 6'6.75'' 6'8.25'' 186.8 6'9'' 8'9'' 5.3 8.5 9.5

Hopson, Scotty 6'5.75'' 6'6.5'' 204.6 6'10.5'' 8'7.5'' 4.8 8.5 10.0

Irving, Kyrie 6'1.75'' 6'3.5'' 191.0 6'4'' 8'3'' 10.2 8.3 9.3

Jackson, Rick 6'8.25'' 6'9.25'' 241.8 7'2'' 8'10.5'' 8.3 8.8 9.5

Jenkins, Charles 6'1.5'' 6'3.25'' 216.4 6'7.5'' 8'0.5'' 4.3 8.5 9.0

Johnson, JaJuan 6'9'' 6'10'' 219.8 7'2'' 8'11.5'' 7.5 9.0 10.0

Joseph, Cory 6'2'' 6'3.25'' 186.2 6'5.5'' 8'3'' 9.7 8.5 10.5

Kanter, Enes 6'9.75'' 6'11.25'' 259.2 7'1.5'' 9'1.5'' 5.9 9.5 10.8

Knight, Brandon 6'1.5'' 6'3.25'' 176.8 6'6.75'' 8'2.5'' 4.2 8.3 9.5

Lee, Malcolm 6'4'' 6'5.5'' 198.2 6'9.75'' 8'5.5'' 5.9 8.5 9.5

Leonard, Kawhi 6'6'' 6'7'' 227.4 7'3'' 8'10'' 5.4 9.8 11.3

Leslie, Travis 6'3'' 6'4.25'' 205.0 6'10.5'' 8'7'' 8.1 8.8 9.3

Leuer, Jon 6'10'' 6'11.5'' 223.2 7'0'' 8'9.5'' 5.4 8.8 9.8

Liggins, DeAndre 6'5'' 6'6.25'' 202.2 6'11'' 8'7.5'' 5.0 8.8 10.0

Lighty, David 6'4.75'' 6'6.5'' 216.2 6'8'' 8'5'' 6.5 9.0 10.0

Mack, Shelvin 6'1'' 6'2.5'' 209.0 6'7.5'' 8'0.5'' 7.1 8.3 9.3

McCamey, Demetri 6'1.75'' 6'3.25'' 204.0 6'6.25'' 8'3.5'' 6.1 8.5 9.0

Moore, E'Twaun 6'2.5'' 6'4'' 191.4 6'9.5'' 8'3.5'' 7.6 9.0 10.0

Morris, Darius 6'3.25'' 6'5.25'' 190.0 6'7.5'' 8'6'' 5.3 8.8 10.0

Morris, Marcus 6'7'' 6'8.75'' 229.6 6'10'' 8'9.5'' 8.0 8.3 8.5

Morris, Markieff 6'7.75'' 6'9.25'' 240.8 6'10.75'' 8'10.5'' 10.2 8.5 8.3

Parsons, Chandler 6'8.75'' 6'9.75'' 221.2 6'9.5'' 8'8.5'' 7.0 8.3 10.0

Richmond, Jereme 6'6'' 6'7.25'' 207.2 6'10.25'' 8'10.5'' 5.5 8.8 9.5

Selby, Josh 6'1.75'' 6'3'' 194.6 6'5.25'' 8'2'' 7.9 8.5 9.0

Shumpert, Iman 6'4.25'' 6'5.5'' 221.8 6'9.5'' 8'3.5'' 6.5 9.0 9.0

Singler, Kyle 6'7.5'' 6'8.5'' 228.0 6'10.1'' 8'10'' 10.0 8.3 8.8

Singleton, Chris 6'7.75'' 6'9'' 230.2 7'1'' 8'7.5'' 7.4 9.3 10.0

Skeen, Jamie 6'6.5'' 6'8'' 241.6 7'1.25'' 8'10.5'' 9.8 8.5 8.5

Smith, Gregory 6'8'' 6'9.25'' 252.8 7'2.5'' 8'10.5'' 7.4 9.8 12.0

Smith, Nolan 6'1.5'' 6'3.5'' 187.6 6'5.5'' 8'3'' 5.6 8.5 9.3

Thomas, Isaiah 5'8.75'' 5'10.25'' 186.0 6'1.75'' 7'7.5'' 6.7 8.3 9.0

Thomas, Malcolm 6'7.5'' 6'8.75'' 223.0 7'0.5'' 8'11.5'' 5.9 9.5 10.5

Thompkins, Trey 6'8.5'' 6'9.75'' 239.0 7'1'' 8'11.5'' 15.5 9.3 9.8

Thompson, Klay 6'5.75'' 6'7.25'' 205.6 6'9'' 8'7.5'' 8.0 8.8 9.3

Thompson, Tristan 6'7.5'' 6'8.75'' 227.4 7'1.25'' 9'0.5'' 6.2 8.8 9.3

Tyler, Jeremy 6'9'' 6'10.5'' 262.4 7'5'' 9'2.5'' 13.4 9.3 9.0

Vucevic, Nikola 6'10.25'' 6'11.75'' 259.8 7'4.5'' 9'4.5'' 6.1 9.3 10.3

Walker, Kemba 5'11.5'' 6'1'' 184.0 6'3.5'' 7'7.5'' 5.9 8.0 9.0

Williams, Derrick 6'7.25'' 6'8.75'' 248.4 7'1.5'' 9'0'' 10.8 9.0 9.8

Williams, Jordan 6'7.75'' 6'9'' 247.2 7'0.25'' 8'10.5'' 12.1 9.3 10.0

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Vucevic, Nikola 6'10.25''

Vucevic, Nikola 6'10.25'' 6'11.75'' 259.8 7'4.5"

In this bum draft, I'm willing to push my chips into the middle on a 7-foot 260 lbs. center whose only flaw is having the standard athleticism of someone who is 7-foot and 260 lbs.

Singler, Kyle 6'7.5'' 6'8.5'' 228.0 6'10.1'' 8'10'' 10.0 8.3 8.8

Just big enough to hope a team likes Ersan Ilysasova enough to give him a chance.

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They had not posted them yet

But, yes, that is a place you can find them, and they will be posted on here as well.

Kind of a trip, saw someone post on here about Kyrie Irving having a small wingspan at 6'4 and all. Well, his standing reach is 8'3, which is pretty darn solid, and only slightly smaller than Iman Shumpert's and I went back and looked, it is an inch more than Deron Williams standing reach. Both Irving and Williams had over 10% body fat, which actually leads me to believe they both could still work on their conditioning and potentially improve upon their athleticism. Overall, their were some surprises, but nothing catastrophic.

BTPH, I am with you on Vucevic and Singler. Vucevic will have to be one of the more highly rated Centers in this draft, and if Singler is compared to Ilyasova, that guy carved a nice little niche for himself the past couple of years. Not everyone in this draft is going to be a superstar, and while it might be tough settling on being compared to a role player, more often than not these guys will have to accept that.

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Shumpert, Iman 6'4.25''

Shumpert, Iman 6'4.25'' 6'5.5'' 221.8 6'9.5'' 8'3.5'' 6.5 9.0 9.0

Am I seeing this correctly! I swear it looks like my eyes are playing tricks on me! Shumpert 221lbs WOW! He just solidified himself as a guaranteed 1st Rounder. Once everyone looks at his measurements they will drool also. I stand with my statement that I made yesterday when I said I want him in Jersey over Brooks.

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"and if Singler is compared

"and if Singler is compared to Ilyasova, that guy carved a nice little niche for himself the past couple of years."

My point with Singler has always been that he isn't an NBA small forward. He can't guard it and can't create from it. He measured out big enough where he can function as a 4 like Ilyasova has. If a guy crashes the glass, sets hard screens, and hits open shots, he can be valuable. Now if Singler shoots like he did this past year, he won't last, but that is a different story.

As for Vucevic, of the centers from the NCAA, who has a better resume?

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Kanter

Kanter with his size should now be seriously considered for the second overall pick and if cleveland can pick him up at 4 they need to move varejo back to the bench.

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I look at Michael Dunigan and wonder what might have been

Oh well, glad he made the combine and heard he played well in Estonia. I know I was not alone on this train of thinking, but I feel playing pro ball more than likely really helped these guys games. May not have helped their draft stock much, but I have a feeling that playing a basketball for a living really puts the hard work that goes into it in perspective. Not that college is not treacherous, but you have to worry about classes and being BMOC, but when you are playing pro ball, I think the focus is all ball all of the time.

Practices are a lot more treacherous, players a lot dirtier and more experienced, must have done some good things for Dunigan and Jeremy Tyler as far as preparation is concerned. No idea as to whether Dunigan will be drafted, but Tyler will definitely be given a chance, and with his monster physical tools and athleticism, he should be interesting to watch. Really hope that he was humbled by his experience as a pro and works hard to prove he belongs in the NBA. He was always a prospect with a ton of upside and talent, but even so, it is hard to consider him a sure thing. I like him though, really hope he does well and could see him being a sleeper. I mean, he is a lot like DeMarcus Cousins, maybe even more athletic, probably not as strong or talented as this point, but the attitude is of course a cause for concern.

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Who as an American college player is really rated ahead of Vucevic as a legitimate Center? But, he had an incredibly solid junior year, and the only question is his athleticism really. In a league that is starting to really favor speed, lumbering big guys are not really as valued as they used to be. Of course, Vucevic makes up for his, as you say, average athleticism for a player of his size, with his awesome length. I know you are not incredibly high on Omer Asik (or, more aptly, see him as just a role player rather than a future cog at Center), but I am guessing Vucevic might be a less athletic version possibly? With of course, more of an offensive skill set. Just something I thought of, as they seem comparable in size.

I get where you are coming from with Kyle. I guess I always saw him as developing into a 3, but he would definitely have heaps of trouble guarding the position. Still feel that he has a very high IQ and skill set, though his athleticism is below average by NBA standards, not to mention his size will be an issue for defending 4's. Still knew he was around 6'8, in HS they announced him as 6'10, lol. But, I really feel that his shooting last year was not indicative of his skill in that area. He definitely had a down year, but I could really see him becoming a proficient NBA perimeter shooter.

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darius morris 6'5.. thats

darius morris 6'5.. thats great for him and should move him up a couple a spots in the draft.. once he adds more muscle he should be able to finish in traffic i believe whom ever drafts him will be very happy with his production down the line

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What is your take on Shumpert with those measurements?

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"Am I seeing this correctly!

"Am I seeing this correctly! I swear it looks like my eyes are playing tricks on me! Shumpert 221lbs WOW! He just solidified himself as a guaranteed 1st Rounder. Once everyone looks at his measurements they will drool also. I stand with my statement that I made yesterday when I said I want him in Jersey over Brooks."

You think he's a guaranteed 1st round and want him on your team because he's 220 lbs? That's your reason?

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As far as Centers that played

As far as Centers that played in college i think Jordan Willianms is the only Center rated higher(and he is better). I'd take both in the first round

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That is not my reason for wanting him, but that just adds more to it. He is an upgrade over Farmar as a backup IMO to DWill or better yet he is better than majority of the guards we have on the roster. He brings something that each backup on the team does not have although he is not an excellent shooter. He is bigger than every guard we have on the roster which I can assure he will get to the line with physical play which is what we need. I know you had the luxury of critiquing & watching every game, because you are GA bound, but I've had my eye on him when I would catch a Tech game.

He will be a 1st Rounder.

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Vucevic = Mehmet Okur. That's

Vucevic = Mehmet Okur. That's my best comparison for him.

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Here is the thing that

Here is the thing that bothers me about people watching Asik, limited basketball player create trade offs. Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah, and Omer Asik are negatives on offense. Now, they have a teammate who goes 1 on 2 and 1 on 3 as well as anyone in the league, but that is what is required of him. How can anyone bash his efficiency when he is required to compensate for the non-threats around him? Honestly, what offense can the Bulls run when Taj Gibson and Omer Asik were the 4 and 5, Deng was 5-13, and Korver couldn't get free. It had to be Rose trying to do it all, and when Rose is bad it shouldn't be surprising the Bulls are capable of scoring all of 2 points in the final seven minutes of a game. The problem with Boozer is that he will lose focus on his assignments defensively and will give up a basket, but then again he can also put the ball into the basket. Those are the tradeoffs. It isn’t hating on a guy, it is trying to place the proper appreciation to the proper players. This isn't unique to the Bulls. The Iverson Sixers were that way, LeBron's Cavs had guys who could hit an open shot but weren't creators, and the Thunder have the same problem with Ibaka and Perkins being non-threats. If you look at Tyson Chandler’s career, when he has teammates that can work through his offensive limitations, he has great value. When he does not have those kind of players, his flaws are exposed. I have never said Joakim Noah is bad, but he is limited. Omer Asik is a big body who is where he is supposed to be in that defensive scheme (though the refs in Chicago let him hang out in the paint more than they will in Miami), but not being able to catch a pass costs the team offensive possessions. It is funny to me that people will complain about Jason and Jarron Collins being in the league because they are so incredibly unskilled, but they will heap praise on Asik for being the Turkish Collins brother. I have mentioned this before, Kyrylo Fesenko was Omer Asik for the Jazz in last year’s playoffs. The problem is that there is so much coverage it gets repetitive to sing the praises of the same guys all the time. That is why you get the love for Gibson, Asik, Haslem, etc. The reality is that in the first game, LeBron and Wade were bad. No amount of energy and hustle from the rest of the Heat can overcome that. In Game 2, Derrick Rose was bad, and no amount of energy and hustle from the rest of the Bulls can overcome that. It is boring and well-known, but it is also more truthful than when guys like Trevor Ariza, Taj Gibson, Sasha Vujacic, etc. get overpraised for their complementary play.

What Vucevic brings is not only size, but an advanced offensive skillset. The big man is not going away. Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph did just fine. The Lakers struggled because Pau Gasol was bad, not because big men are less valuable. Teams prefer energy and hustle over total bums, but not guys who are actually good. I did a mock the other day and had Vucevic in the lottery. I started thinking about him at Charlotte. A team like Golden State is transitioning its front office, so they might also alter its style of play (though I wonder how that would impact Curry and Ellis). If they wanted to be a more balanced team, then don’t they have to realize that just drafting shot blockers isn’t magically going to fix their frontcourt? Houston has a 6’5 center and Brad Miller behind him. Philadelphia will have to make a decision on paying Hawes, and that is tough. If Portland takes him, his legs will break immediately but that won’t be his fault. The league has a ton of teams who need better centers, and Vucevic is someone who can come in and play right away.

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I think your assessment of his offensive ability is true, but the guy plays better defense and is flat out more of an athlete than one of the Collins' or a Fesenko. I see how he boards and defends man, and he is impressive in that area. However, I do understand completely that their is a trade off, much like Joel Anthony. Joel for instance, has a fantastic blocks per minute average, but his points per minute are abysmal. So, calling Asik a taller Anthony at this point makes more sense to me.

Still, Vucevic shows flashes, but do you think he really plays right away. There is a lot to like, but he did struggle at times this year, even with his solid averages. His skill set offensively is eye opening, and I am not saying that the Center is going away, but it is changing, and I do not know if you call Vucevic a Randolph or Gasol. Big men are extremely important, but running and athleticism are changing the way many of them play. Will Vucevic be able to stay in front of these guys? He killed Derrick Williams in the second game against Arizona, but how is he going to do against a Marc Gasol or a Nene? Legitimate questions, but I could see where you are coming from.

Still, while Asik may be overrated by commentators, I know what I see in he and Noah, and while their offense could hold the Bulls back from winning, they could also be crucial in the Bulls winning. You could be right about Vucevic, but I do not know whether he will necessarily be your answer at Center. We will see, I like your break down, but I feel you are a little to harsh on the Bulls bigs, especially seeing that I believe Taj Gibson is not nearly as bad on the offensive end as you are making him out to be. Definitely do think defense is more than just shot blocking man, is for sure, but it does indeed help to have athleticism and desire. Vucevic's length will make him hard to shoot over, but will people than just move into him or around him?

My final question was, how did you feel about Cole Aldrich? Definitely limited offensively, but he and Vucevic have similar measurements, and I think it was safe to say Cole was a more accomplished defender and rebounder than Nicola.

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I see no reason Vucevic would

I see no reason Vucevic would have a poor transition to pro basketball. Obviously who drafts him will impact minutes and role, but in the vacuum of all things being equal I think he is going to do well and be able to play right away. What he has going for him is that the most common reasons for young big men to get put in a suit is a lack of offensive skills, lack of awareness on both ends, conditioning, turnovers, and fouls. For all the talk about what guys can do, it is what they can’t and the negatives that coaches focus on when doling out minutes and roles. This goes back to the Bulls. You can have your pick among the defensive lapses of Boozer, Omer Asik failing to catch a pass or fouling, Joakim Noah allowing his man to leave for help on Rose and not being able to take advantage, or Taj Gibson clanking another 15-footer that the Heat want him to take. In the Heat series, Thibodeau is focusing on sound defense over offense. It worked in Game 1, but it cost them in Game 2. The Heat faced a similar problem in Game 1 with the Bulls leaving Joel Anthony and Magloire. When Haslem was in there, he did a better job of taking advantage. In building a team, any team, it would be ideal to have as few limited players as possible. You are going to have them and some of those guys are going to have value, but it goes without saying the fewer flaws and mistakes the better.

Now with rookies and young guys, it is who not only can make plays but avoid mistakes that are going to get on the floor. Landry Fields was not among the most talented rookies, but he played. Why? The two rookies this year who had the lowest turnover rates were Greg Monroe and Landry Fields. The lowest foul rate among all rookies was Landry Fields. Monroe’s foul rate was a bit higher, but he and Blake Griffin were the lowest for big men. It is not a coincidence. Fields is not going to be a star, but he is going to have an NBA career because of his ability to a role capably while avoiding mistakes. You can take it back a year and see the same thing with Wes Matthews and Chase Budinger where they avoided making mistakes. Sam Young and Jerebko were a little more error prone, but certainly not at rookie/young player levels. People think I am hating on guys like Valanciunas, Biyombo, and Singleton but I’m using history as a guide to see that guys who are limited offensively, turn the ball over, and commit fouls cannot be regarded as NBA-ready. Coaches typically don’t just turn off their brain because a guy gets picked highly and hand people minutes. Minnesota did that this year with Love and Beasley, and those results did not quite work out though I guess all is well because Anthony Randolph is coming to their rescue.

I look at Vucevic and see he does not turn the ball over at a high rate nor is he prone to fouling. The guy was conditioned to play more than 30 minutes in college, so it is not as if his motor is built for 4 minute increments. He is a good passer, can score in the post or outside, and the work he had under Floyd and O’Neill seems to have helped his overall awareness (he made great strides each year). I need a better argument than he isn’t a track star to convince me he will struggle. I’m not saying rookie-of-the year, but I would put him in the Marc Gasol family of centers with pre-Clippered Kaman, young Okur, and Brad Miller. Now that Hibbert got his weight/body fat down, he can be in that family too.

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kawhi leonard measured like a

kawhi leonard measured like a freaking ape. biggest hands, magnificient wingspan and low body fat, and a solid 6'7'' 227 with very low body fat

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Certainly make a convincing argument

Though I am not asking any coach to turn their brain off. I would really like to see what your big board looks like. Certainly, looking at Vucevic's statistical analysis, it is pretty impressive, his TO numbers and Fouls are low as well. Still man, his lack of athleticism and lateral quickness could be issues, but he is definitely one of the better Center prospects in this draft. I just really think you have an interesting take on some of these players, and would like to know who you think is being slept on and who you see as being overrated.

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Is he any slower than Roy

Is he any slower than Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, or Marc Gasol?

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When is the vert testing?

When is the vert testing?

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They tested yesterday &

They tested yesterday & 5'10'' Isaiah Thomas = 38 inch vert!

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It's not like nikola vucevic

It's not like nikola vucevic is on some Omar samhan level athleticLly. He ain't that bad At moving his feet and getting up and down the court. As for the rest of his game, injust don't see any weaknesses keeping him out of the first round or even top 20 range. He has legit low post skills and face up skills for a 7 footer and hits the boards hard. Good footwork and hands and soft touch. Averaged 17 and 10 on a USC squad with no other NBA talent thus drawing most the defensive attention every night.

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sort of pointless to say but

sort of pointless to say but im confused about Josh Selby's vertical,29.5 no step vertical then his Max vertical is 42? LOL WHAT THE &$#%#&@!?!

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Selby does have a dramatic,

Selby does have a dramatic, unnatural difference in standing and running verticals. Standing is the one that holds the most weight though, and 29 is just average for a guard.

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