College Basketball's 8 Current Underachievers in their College Careers
No underclassmen are included:
1.Scotty Hopson (6’6 195, SG/SF, JR., Tennessee)- Hopson was a 5 recuit in 2008, and the only top 10 guy in that HS class that’s still in college. Very good athlete with a nice jump shot. While he has those things going for him, he is a poor ball-handler. That makes it tough from him to create his own offense consistently and makes him fades throughout games. Also has proven to be a horrific defender. He has to do alot to prove the hype in HS, but he's got the ability to be a Von Wafer type of player who scores it well in spot time.
2. Anthony Jones (6’10 205, SG/SF/PF, JR., Baylor)- Jones has underachieved somewhat at Baylor, but he’s also a leading candidate to break out next year to me. He’s physically gifted for a guy who likes to play on the wing, is athletic and has a nice jump shot with NBA range. He also is a capable ball-handler. However, playing with LaceDarius Dunn, Tweety Carter, Ekpe Udoh, Curtis Jerrells etc etc has caused him to wait his turn and lose aggression at times. For a guy with his upside, he should put up more than the 6.5 ppg he did last year. Him and Perry Jones have the same issues, and I’d hate for their talents to go to waste. Both have big scoring potential.
3. Yancy Gates (6’9 265, PF/C, JR., Cincy)- He, like the core of players at Cincy (Lance Stephenson and Deonta Vaughn), struggled with conditioning/weight and wore down last year. At his best, Gates can use his light feet and brute natural frame to score on the low post and his touch to make 15 ft shots. That, however, is only for halves at a time instead of stretches of the season. He may struggle next season with poor guard play again (you thought Vaughn was a shaky playmaker….HA), but he has the potential to be a 14 and 8 guy and if Coach Cronin does his job, he should run the offense through Gates to have the most success.
4. Durrell Summers (6’4 185, SG, SR., Michigan State)- To me, Summers is the most naturally talented player on the Spartans roster. Tom Izzo would agree with me too, the same way Coach Calipari was with DeMarcus Cousins is the same way Coach Izzo is with Summers. He’s athletic and he has a strong shooting stroke at the mid-range and deep level. But he struggles with the mental part of the game, as well as ball-handling. It’s not rare for him to get down on himself offensively, and then make a series of mistakes on D. He’s extremely streaky and inconsistent. Hopefully, with him needing to be a leader on the team, he’ll emerge and have a breakout SR year. He has the talent to do it.
5. Mike Dunigan (6’9 255, PF/C, JR., Oregon)- Dunigan came in a 4 and 5 star prospect who was expected to give the free-flowing Ernie Kent offense a down low threat unlike one they’ve seen. So far, he can only be described as ordinary. He has limited moves, no range, and he isn’t a great athlete. He’s a strong guy with limited skills down low. He can be a double digit scorer in college, but anything past that is shaky. Hopefully, the new coaching change will help him get out of “underachieverism”.
6. Larry Drew III (6’0 180, PG, JR., UNC)- Maybe I expected too much, but Larry Drew was bad last year. Yes, he’s quick and a nice passer but he was turnover prone and looked shaky in half-court sets because he’s not a confident shooter. He’s a year older now though, and he has all the strengths that would allow him to succeed in UNC’s offense. He needs to rebound, or they might have to hand the offense to Dexter Strickland (like I wanted them to last year).
7. Senario Hillman (6’1 185, SG/PG, SR., Alabama)- Elite athlete. That’s exactly what Hillman is. He has the raw ability to score and freak athleticism. Still, he has little PG skills and his shot is inconsistent. Hillman, with time with a coach like Anthony Grant, could breakout like Mikhail Torrence did as a Senior. I think he can do it, but his ball-handling and PG skills need to be refined.
8. Delvon Roe (6’7 230, PF, JR., Michigan State)- Yeah I know….he tore his ACL and he’s still showing ill-effects. But man, he was a top 30 recruit out of HS and was very highly regarded. Because the knee injury seems to have zapped a bunch of his quickness and athleticism, he’s become very strong in his upper and core body, so he can be more of a pure PF than the mismatch guy he was. It’s tough to call him an underachiever because of what he’s gone through, but man. He only got 6 ppg and 5 rpg last year. I think that microfracture will linger, but he is at least a 10 ppg scorer I know.
if you wanna make it a top 10
I'm not including Strickland because I'm not including underclassmen. And who is Drew Gooden?
one more..sean mosley from maryland. you dont become marylands player of the year and top player in bmore and play like hes played
Mosley has a decent season last year, especially when you look at his stats too and think about the fact that he played alongside a guy like Vazquez who had the ball in his hands alot. He should continue to improve next season too
not decent enough...if youre mr basketball in maryland you should be playing better then he has...
maryland top players recently
with the lack of talent we had on that team he should have easily put up 15 a game. vasquez had the ball in his hands alot but he always passed. in the first couple of games he would barley shoot. kept passing to mosley but mosley basically nutted up
oh yeah drew gooden was a top 10 or 15 guy coming out of hs and went to ucla. he was part of jru holidays class with all those top recruits. hes a big man about 6'8 or 9. transfering this year
i mean gordan
Oh ok. He transferred. I could list a bunch of the UCLA players for the past 3 years, but all of them either got dismissed or left the team.
I did not realize Yancy Gates finished last year off with 10.7 and 6, he is much better than that. Scotty Hopson also is a player who I thought would be a much better college baller, he definitely has some scoring ability that he has yet to show on a consistent basis as a Vol. All of those players seem to be missing a little something that they were billed to have, and Delvon Roe might have been the single highest rated player of those 8 coming out of HS, but has yet to prove he deserved the spot. The biggest personal effect I have on the list is Dunigan. It was probably mid-July of 2007 when I found out we signed him, I was hyped. He was rated 5 stars on Scout, went to Faragut Academy, and as a fan of the big man, I was dieing for the Ducks to finally grab one, much less one of Dunigan's caliber. He was a McDonald's All-American, and in the game you could see he was not overly athletic or mobile, but he had a nice touch near the basket and his wingspan is 7-3 (I have walked past him, and I am guessing he is around 6'9, like he is listed, no taller). Nonetheless, big body, tons of chances for boards on both ends as the man in the middle. He has yet to live up to his billing, and after a so-so Freshman season, seemed to take a step back near the end of last year, but maybe that was Ernie, who notoriously "disciplined" players (come to think of it, I am rather pissed off that Malik Hairston scores 30 per game in the D-League but was never above 15 one season for us. What gives? I do not blame Malik). But still, he seemed to take a huge step backward after we beat Washington and he put up a double double. We need him this year, big time, and I am hoping he stays for his senior season as well. But man, he has definitely not looked like the top 25 prospect he was billed to be, hopefully a new system will mean a new Mike Dunigan.
cincy's offense didnt seem to be built for players to score alot of points
when i think about it are some of the players really underachieving?..i mean they are compared to where they were ranked in hs but hs rankings are very subjective. there are players ranked way lower who are better then players ranked way higher, most rankings are based off of someones name,the aau team they played for, or the school they played for. i think you find out where a player should have been ranked by how they do as a freshman because in hs one states competition may be wayyyy worst then anothers or teammates may be better,worst or a good player may not have been seen by a scouting site
Cincy suffered from bad coaching.
I'm going by how much potential I see them having, as well as some of their HS rankings. It is subjuective, but this is my opinion on who is underachieving. Not totally based on HS rankings
I dont think Durrell Summers has really underachived, maybe in 2009 he did but this year with Kalin Lucas out he led the team to the Final Four and was their best player and was consistent something he has always struggled with. He showed he could be conistent be a very good player. He still hasnt fully reached his potential but many players have not but still have not underachived. Also Delvon Roe isn't an underachivere It is just unfortunate that the ACL injury seems to have sapped his athleticism and I think once fully healthy he will start to fuffil some of his potential.
Summers played good in the 09 tourny too the season before. Him playing good in the tourny is just another example of how inconsistent he is. If he played the whole season at the level he played in the NCAA tourny, I wouldn't include him in this list at all. Especially considering he's the most naturally talented player on Michigan State's roster IMO
Yeah that is true but I wouldnt put him as high as the number 4 underachiver because he is inconsistent but does produce I would say Dunnigan is a much bigger underacheiver same with Larry Drew
It wasn't in any time of order.
DeQuan Jones is one of the best athlete's in college basketball but is really underachieving. He was a top HS player too.
That dunk Jones did against UNC was craaaazzyyyyy....
He's from ATL too, always been more of an athlete than an actual basketball player. He is underachiving relative to his HS ratings though.
the dunk on John Wall was craazy
LOL Wesley Witherspoon? He did everything he was expected to last season and looks to improve again next year.
He averaged 12 ppg last year as a sophmore, for someone who was a McDonalds All-American more was probably expected from him. I guess he isn't a underachiever but he hasn't necessarily reach his potential.
He wasn't a McDonald's All-American, and he was a long-term prospect out of HS anyway. 12 ppg isn't bad either for a Sophomore who get extremely limited time as a FR., especially on 47% from the field and 40% on 3's on the wing, and he's one of the better man-to-man defenders in college basketball. It could be argued that Witherspoon has developed faster than expected, rather than underachieve. The stats he put up last year were possibly expected to be the kind of stats the Memphis faithful thought he'd get as a JR this upcoming season. He's doing just fine.
I'm only listing guys that actually are on teams currently, but Alex Legion was a big underachiever. So was Taylor King.
DeAndre Liggins just hasn't been given much PT, but he's an interesting player. He seems like a natural PG and he's 6'6'', but he's not a scorer. I think he'll be the SEC 6th Man of The Year next season though, because he defends and can play 3 positions.
yeah i wasnt sure about adding king since he quit Villanova
and your right about liggins..for some reason when i hear his name i think of how bad he looked in Gillispies system instead of how he played after coming back from his suspension this year
Isnt Legion going to Florida International?
Yep looks like it. I had no idea. That guy has been to 3 schools since he graduated HS lol. I didn't think he'd play again when I heard he left Illinois.
This is really a bad list. You picked guys who are playing and contributing to their teams. How about all the highly touted guys who have actually underachieved given their prep accolades? Taylor King? Jai Lucas? Scott Martin? Alex Legion? Travis Releford? J'mison Morgan? Ty Walker? Anthony McClain?
I'm going by how much potential I see them having, as well as some of their HS rankings. It is subjective, but this is my opinion on who is underachieving. Not totally based on HS rankings. More so on guys who have been put in a situation to have big success, but may be contributing, but not like I think they should be.
And it is absolutely ridiculous that you would view a guy who averaged 12 per game in the SEC at the age of 19 as being a huge underachiever. It is absolutely absurd that you would go after Delvon Roe and Durrell Summers for their production (getting Sparty to the Final Four). If the fact that they are still in college is the problem, then go after Kyle Singler, Ryan Kelly, and Mason Plumlee too. You have a guy in Gates who has flashed lottery potential and despite being inconsistent has been respectably productive on a whole.
If you compare him to the guys regarded more highly than him, he is far from underachieving. Do we have to throw John Riek into the mix? Ater Majok? John Withey? There are a lot of guys who were supposedly highly, highly regarded guys who never see the floor. If you are doing this list, why would go after the ones who have done reasonably well?
Scotty Hopson has underachieved. You would be allllll alone if you don't think so. He's the only top 10 player in the 2008 class that's not in the NBA right now. 12 ppg isn't anything great for with his accolades going into college and fading in and out of games. He could break out next year, and he has the potential to do so, but he's underachieved so far.
Delvon Roe has had injuries and is a mere role player so far in his college career, after being considered one of, if not the, best recruit Izzo's ever gotten. He's had injury, but he's simply not been really close to being a standout.
Summers steps up every tournament, but he is usually in Izzo's doghouse. For someone who has the natural talent he does, that's not great. He hasn't played up to his potential at all so far in his college career, other than in tourny games. While it's good he steps up in key moments, if he played like this all the time, he probably wouldn't be in a Michigan State jersey right now. Probably would be playing in the NBA.
No way should Gates not average at least 14 and 8. He wore down last year and is only effective halfs at a time. Coach Cronin gets some of the blame, but Gates (along with Lance and Vaughn) all were out of shape by the end of the season. And it effected all of them, but mostly Gates. Not too many college players should stop a guy who has his combination of size and footwork, and he hasn''t produced like he should be. He has a chance to next year.
Ater Majok played behind Thabeet and Adrien as a freshman, and was a long-term prospect from jump at UConn. He's raw, nobody could expect him to be a star out of the gate.
John Riek has been a bust. No doubt.
Jeff Withey has played behind Cole Aldrich, and is a Sophomore if I'm not mistaken anyway.
Good call out on Delvon Roe... Whatever happened to him? I thought he was gonna smoke it up in MSU after a NCAA Finals stint but he has been pretty disappointing in my eyes...
I remember Scotty Hopson comparing "himself" or his game to LeBron... I lost my socks on that one...LOL
First of all, the measure of him still being in college means nothing. He could have gone undrafted like Samardo Samuels did or get taken in the 50s like Willie Warren. He could rot in the NBDL like BJ Mullens has done as well. That is a nowhere argument. I am not opposed to guys going pro and getting paid to develop, but there is nothing wrong with Hopson choosing to do so at Tennessee. The same goes for Summers. Players who have accomplished less have left college early. If he likes college and wants to stay, it isn't a valid criticism for saying he has underachieved. If he would have left, he would probably be on the fringe (one way or the other) of the NBA just like several other players who were highly regarded in his class. Do you think he couldn't get a deal in Europe like Nick Calathes or rot on a bench like Kosta Koufos and Donte Greene?
Gates' numbers are in part a reflection of the slow style played by Cincy. I wrote about Devin Ebanks when he was being criticized for his supposedly subpar numbers. Teams who play a style that results in fewer possessions have players with lesser stats. It does not mean that they are underachieving or are lesser talents. It must be startling to some how when Ebanks got out of the West Virginia system in the summer league, he looked more ready for the NBA than many lottery picks. If Gates played at Kentucky with John Wall, he would have been a first round pick. He is at Cincy, and has to play the style Cronin wants and with the shot-seeking guards they have.
"First of all, the measure of him still being in college means nothing. He could have gone undrafted like Samardo Samuels did or get taken in the 50s like Willie Warren. He could rot in the NBDL like BJ Mullens has done as well. That is a nowhere argument. I am not opposed to guys going pro and getting paid to develop, but there is nothing wrong with Hopson choosing to do so at Tennessee."
He chose to stay because he's UNDERACHIEVING, more so than any of the other guys you listed. All those other guys are in the NBA. Willie Warren is a rookie and so is Samuels. Both look like bets to make their teams and have a career in the NBA. Mullens was never any good and left because he's riding HS hype, and even he can still develop. Hopson would be in the NBA right now if he actually played well. But he hasn't, so he's underachieved so far in his college career.
Gates hasn't played well because of the style of play partially. I already acknowledged that, by saying Coach Cronin is a pretty bad coach. But also, because he wasn't in optimal shape. The core of Cincy's team wasn't. Some of the blame falls on Coach Cronin, but some also falls on Gates. Gates has a chance to be a great player next year and to reach his potential, but he hasn't played as well as he should be IMO. And there is still a chance he doesn't step up, because for as bad a pure PG as Vaughn was last year, Cashmere Wright and those guys are even worse and are much more wild than Vaughn was too.
to be fair scott martin and travis releford have both only played one real season of college ball
Yeah exactly and I'm not including underclassmen. They redshirted.
Elite prospects who redshirt should be held to a different standard than those who are actually able to get on the floor?
Yes. Because I'm not including underclassmen.
What sense does that make? If they could have contributed, they wouldn't have redshirted. If your big thing is about guys not up to expectations, then did you expect top 100 recruits to be so ill-prepared for college basketball that they had to sit out a year.
It's just the fact that they are underclassmen. I could include a bunch of freshmen in this post if I wanted to, but this post wasn't set up that way. Maybe if I waited until next year, when he's no longer an underclassmen, I'd include him in a post like this. If I felt like it.
Vernon Macklin should be on here for sure. He came into Georgetown as the potential guy to lift them up. He was much more highly regarded than Dajuan Summers. In his freshman season he ended up riding the pine on the final 4 team while Summers also a frosh was a serious contributor. His sophomore season he once again was lost on the court with no basketball IQ. Last year at Florida I guess you could say was his breakout season, but still I'd expect more than 10 points, 5 rebounds from a 4th year junior. For a Mcdonalds all american who was scouts 3rd ranked PF he has been a bust. He is strong, long, and pretty athletic but is very limited in skills. As a 5th years senior this year if he doesn't average at least 15+8+ at least over 1 block a game he doesn't even deserve a look at the NBA. It's a shame because many saw him out of high school with an NBA body who was potentially a one and done. With the weight he's gained he's not a freakish athlete anymore so what you are looking at is a long guy who isn't overly skilled.
Wow good back and forth going on in this thread!
But anyway, I don't know if I fully agree with the Larry Drew being an underachiever. When you consider how poorly the team played as a whole, and how no one really emerged as a star. Ed Davis a potential top 5 pick, preseason, was average before getting hurt, and Thompson proved that at best he was just a good role player for that team. And for Larry, his frosh yr was pretty much a redshirt year, and this was his first season as a full time starter. And I know everything can't be measured by #'s, but his #'s were pretty solid for a soph who is starting for the 1st time. If he had this kind of year as a jr or sr, then yeah, he'd be an underachiever, with all the turnovers etc. I also feel that team just lacked a certain chemistry that teams in general must have in order to win, and all of that can't fall on drew, but the coaching staff must take some credit. I feel he'll be much improved this season, and the rumblings of Marshall coming in as a frosh and taking that job is not all that realistic. Its not like this a Ty Lawson coming in where you just say hey kid, here's the ball. Drew will be good, and while not star, he'll be a solid college point guard for that team.
Yeah you may be right about Drew. I probably just expected too much, since UNC's had great PG's to come in that played the same style Drew does. Drew was fast, fundametally-sound, and a solid passer in HS and stuff, so I thought he'd adjust seamlessly to the college game. But we see, he needs refinement. Hopefully he does his thing this season, if not, Strickland will be right in line to take the keys to the Bentley.
Yea, I'm not too high on Strickland as a playmaking pg, I've seen u mention dat in many diff posts. I don't think he has the natural ability to play that position the way Roy Williams demands it for their system. The times he was out there he mainly looked for his on shot, I see him as a combo guy, and Roy is tryna turn him into a pg to maximize his skill set for professional ball. I don't know how successful that would've been last season though with Strickland handling the ball on an already poor team, as just a freshman. But w/e we'll see how things go next yr.
He's not a PG at all really, other than needing the ball to have the biggest effect on the game, but I think they just needed a change of pace last year that's all. If Drew doesn't improve next year, I'll stand behind that too. Drew doesn't need to start and play real extended minutes if he plays like he did last year. And Kendall Marshall isn't a PG that plays at UNC's preferred pace, and even though he's more of a true PG than Drew or Strickland, he doesn't seem like he's ready to play much next year.
Nick Williams- former Indiana guard...dont know where he ended up but he was supposed to be so filthy
just found out that he transferred to Ole Miss and thats where he will be playing in the winter