Its the battle of the three avg wingspan pfs.
What is your ranking of the three?
-Zeller has a good summer so far. Good motor, iq, athletic and rebounded the ball bettef in additio has a mid range jump shot he looks confident shooting.
- olynyk pretty much was mvp or co mvp of the orl summer league. Offensively no other big has his offensive tools. Defense is not as good , but he is always working , displayed good awareness and no man he guarded had very good stats
- plumlee had one or two monster games but also a few bad inefficient ones. Shot 8 for 23 one game. Iq is not as high as oly or zeller but easily could be a better rebounder than both
Olynyk- elite offensive skills for his size. Has one on one skills to score in crucial situations and not a liability in his own end. Actually a very good team defender
Zeller - much stronger, mid range shot now , high character player. Doesnt really have one elite ability outside of able to run faster than some guards
Plumlee - nice two way player already. But no mid range game is worrisome and is really a center without lack of quick footspeed, agility, co ordination. Not sure if he can play ft center in the nba
Not even really sure what you were trying to say about Plumlee. But my thought is, Zeller and Olynyk will start and get more opportunities early, Plumlee is in a better long term situation. All 3 will have solid NBA careers.
I think Zeller is definitely the best prospect of the three. In the NBA, his ability to attack the basket off the pick and roll will be much more prominent than it was in college and he will get more opportunities in the high post than he did in college. Zeller was a very good college player, but I think his game is better suited for the NBA, where he could develop into a poor man's Amare' Stoudemire.
I'm not a big fan of Plumlee. I think his defensive ability is very overrated and his offense doesn't have tons of room to grow.
I disagree zeller will have a much better nba career vs college career. Zeller may struggle vs length and/or strength of the nba, especially on the offensive end. Thats why its crucial he gets his mid range jump shot down pat. He might succeed in the p nr or maybe not. Unlike the summer league in the nba there will be someone standing waiting for him near the basket. And even though he has a mid range jump shot, he is ways away from dribble and shooting
Olynyk though in the same situation as zeller , can dance around the perimeter and either shoot mid range jumpers all game or dribble past his man if the get too close. Olynyk unlike zeller also can dribble and shoot which can help him excel in the he pnr a little better
Plumlee i agree is a little overrated. He can rebound but is not an elite rebounder and cant block shots well. He also cant move his feet from standstill quickly to be able to guard other players. Offensively now he is limited to dunks and hook shots (hit or miss).
In a nutshell we didn't learn anything about these three during the summer league because they pretty much showed us the same qualities that made them stand-out in college. Olynyk is offensively diverse with great hands but can be a little lightweight in physical exchanges, Zeller is a freak athlete with a good motor and IQ which by virtue allowed him to perform well on the glass due to said strengths and finally Plumlee may not be as polished as the other two but is an very athletic which allows him to rebound well but is just extremely raw for a 23 year old rookie. I'll start ranking them once they've had some real NBA experience under their belt.
In Olynyk and Plumlee's case I agree, they showed the same qualities in college, but not in Zeller's case. He was used as a back to the basket C in college. During the Summer League he hardly ever posted up outside of quick duck-ins, cross screens or deep post pins where all he had to do was quickly catch, turn and finish. He was playing much more in space, from the elbows, top of the key, FT line extended, etc. He has more freedom of movement in the NBA and he won't be relegated to being a back to the basket C. He showed that he looks very comfortable in space, that he has a nice touch on his jumper out to about 20 ft and that he can operate as a high post handler and passer. He rarely had the opportunity to play in space in college and when he was, he'd rarely look to score from there.
Looks like the battle of three 7 ft white guys
I think plumlee will be a more athletic nick Collison. If he focuses on the small things like setting good picks playing fundamental defense and developing a mid range jumper he will be set for a 10 to 12 year career as a 3rd big man on a championship team. I think the other 2 will be better players but I think plumlee will experience more team success.
So phila, I take it you've never watched Plumlee play. Can u name one area of their game that is similar. Collison is a physical player, with athletic limitations that can really rebound the basketball. Collison is brought in for those junkyard dog (shot out Jerome Williams) type minutes. Plumee on the other hand is a terrible rebounded for his size, dosen't play great defense, has great athletic ability, more of a back to the basket game. BTW while at Kansas Collison showed up to big games he didnt sleep in like Plumlee. Terrible comparison.
It's hard to argue against Olynyk after this summer. He played a little better than Zeller on offense. I would only argue that it will be easier for Zeller to physically keep up with the NBA regulars than Olynyk.
I only watched one game with Olynyk. He was going off and the commentators were going crazy about his game. They were completely ignoring that that the other team was running their offense through whomever Olynyk was guarding and some journeyman center was backing him down and doing work against him.
The problem for Olynyk is strong enough to guard centers or fast enough to guard an offensively gifted PF. Zeller and Plumlee have the athleticism to compete at the next level. So I like their odds better.
Plumlee is freakishly athletic but freakishly bad at shooting. Yet he still shot 60% his last year in college on a lot of attempts. I think the guy is going to get better and better even though him being 23 would make you think that he has little room for huge growth. I just think he's a late bloomer. But of the three, Zeller will be the best. He seems like a can't miss prospect to me.
By the way, everyone, get used to the three big white guys getting compared to each other. We are going to hear it come up all season. It is a shame, but it is what it is.
Just to ask you, if you mean Blake Griffin as an offensively gifted pf, how is Zeller also going to guard him? Plumlee perhaps has a better chance than either.
When he is defending you, how is either zeller or plumlee going to score on him?? Both players cannot really create their own shots well. This is where Olynyk has an adv, a really big one imo.
How is Olynyk any better at creating his own shot than Zeller?
Bc he is. He can dribble with either hand, spin moves, up and unders, mid range shooting, 3 pt shooting, operate from the post. The whole package offensively.
Zeller can score but dont ask him to create a shot in with time running out. He still has a raw mid range game, prefers to dribble using his right hand, no turnaround jumpers etc, just mainly trying to beat his man off the dribble . that is not someone you consider able to create his own shot
The only thing Olynyk has over Zeller in terms of shot creating ability is the 1-2 dribble pull up, but Zeller has better face up potential because of his better blow by quickness and explosiveness. I don't think either will be prolific shot creators though.
If you didn't watch games with Olynyk playing or need a refresher, just watch this summary clip again. You will see what i mean by able to create his own shot. There is no one or two go to moves like Cody Zeller has. Olynyk at times i think makes moves up. He is going to be a handful to guard imo
Nah, I'm good. I don't need a refresher. I think the overwhelming majority of both their offensive games will come off of opportunities created by others. Spot ups, PnR, Pick n Pop, cuts, high post cuts and flashes, dump offs, etc. I don't think either of them will be great iso players, but Zeller does have more potential as a face up player because of his quicker feet. His straight line quickness is probably his best asset offensively.
I wouldn't have faith in either of them with the ball in their hands, shot clock winding down in an iso situation vs NBA caliber big man defenders.
All three of these guys scored a bunch in college and did so effectively. Just because Zeller and Plumlee didn't use pullup jumpers, doesn't mean they won't find ways to score. Zeller will probably drive and get to the line and FT shooting is a key way to score in the NBA. Plumlee has the worst touch and so is probably going to be someone you rarely run isolations for. But you are allowed to use "plays" in the NBA and Plumlee is probably going to be quite good as the roll man on a pick and roll. Does it count as "creating a shot" if he picks, rolls and then the PG toss him a lob pass on the roll for an easy dunk?
Olynyk definitely has the most diverse array of moves and showed by far the best jumper of the bunch. But the other two have far superior athleticism. They will add a few things to their game. I suspect Zeller a lot of things and Plumlee less so, but they both have room to grow.
Plumlee worst of the three, but a good man from the bench for Brooklyn
Every time I watch the 2013 draft list, and the Wizards n.3 pick, I would hit my head against the wall !
WE PASSED ON C.ZELLER , N.NOEL & A.LEN !!!!!
If they didn't want a big, why didn't choose him AND THEN TRADE HIM DOWN FOR OTHER GUYS ???
Maybe there was a rumor about n.3 & Okafor X Ilyasova e n.15 ...
If they accepted, DC roster will allow BOTH Ilyasova & Olynyk ( my personal n.15 pick) !
Now I go to hit my head AGAIN against a wall...
Lets get one thing out of the way each of these three pf needs to improve there rebounding, none of them are good rebounders.
1) Olynyk is a highly skilled four man, who looks like hes ready to step in right away and score. He should have room to grow and learn in Boston. A legit 7 footer who seems to have more skills than anyone thought after coming out of Zaga. His ball skills are tremendous, mixed with effective post moves and I think Olynyk will averaged around 12-16 his rookie season. NBA is about wills and skills, its clear he has the skills.
2) Zeller was drafted by the CHARLOTTE BOBCATS, this is a problem as it is for everyone that gets drafted by Charlotte. Saw him play a number of times last year. It looks like his game is more suited for NBA play. Good athlete, above average motor and he has effective ball skills. I think Zellers mid range game with flourish in the NBA appose to what happened at Indiana. Still at times he looks awkward, sometimes it just looks like hes going to fall. Add that with the fact that he has struggled against length, and Zeller could be just another player. Don't forget he will be in Charlotte so loosing and mediocre play will be acceptable.
3) Plumlee is literally not worth talking about. Good for him if he can keep a role as a backup. But hell be overseas soon enough. Cant defend, cant shoot, no post counters, dosent rebound, dosent run the floor like Zeller, I don't see him as an NBA player.