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Cleveland/Draft

So Cleveland picked up the Clippers 1st rounder (unprotected) in the upcoming draft currently slated to be 7th and they were minutes away from acquiring Detroits 1st rounder (also unprotected) which is currently slated to be 8th. Cleveland and Detroit may still consumate this deal after the regular season (non playoff teams may start dealing immediately). I know this is considered to be a weak draft but lets be fair and say every draft has some really good players in it that can be an upgrade for teams. Particularly in the lottery, there always seems to be some gems that pan out. Owner Dan Gilbert appears to be willing to take on longterm salary in order to acquire unprotected Lottery picks. I suppose Gilbert and the Cavs feel that they can get a large influx of youth and talent that will be on rookie scale contracts all in one offseason and resigning them will occur at a time when these large long term contracts come off the books. Perhaps Cleveland even lands another high lottery pick. Could you Imagine 4 top 10 picks in the same draft? Its possible. It was almost three and its not out of the realm of possibilities that a 4 unprotected pick could be obtained.

What do you think of this plan?

With 4 top ten selections and using the ESPN lottery generator, who would you take with the Cavs picks? (Allowing for other teams draft needs who are selecting around Clevelands picks.)

The 2006 draft was considered to be one of the weakest in NBA draft history.

http://www.nba.com/draft2006/board.html

There were quite a few busts but there was also some talent. I think this draft is much better then the 2006 draft, but similarly, having no consensus #1 pick allows some real freedom for drafting even if Cleveland doesn't land the top pick.


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four picks

I think if they had four picks in the top ten, they'd go after Kyrie Irving for sure since they just got Baron Davis who is aging, Harrison Barnes/Perry Jones to try and replace the huge hole LBJ left behind, Jared Sullinger if they can manage two picks in the top five, and as a fourth pick I feel like they would go after someone like Jan Veesly (tall and athletic that can stretch the floor).

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I feel like its too much of a

I feel like its too much of a gamble to go all in with this draft. It would have been smarter to get some picks for future drafts instead hey but I guess its better than nothing

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they need to consider jonas

they need to consider jonas valanciunas at 7

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@ ShekiruBoom Baron and the

@ ShekiruBoom

Baron and the Clips unprotected 1st for Mo Williams and Moon is hardly a bad trade. Baron is still excellant when motivated and has shown this season he likes playing with the young guys where he can be more of a leader. Detroits pick would have been traded for taking on Rip Hamiltons remaining salary and then buying him out. That hardly seems like going "all in" for those two picks. Now you include the Cavs own pick and thats 3 top ten picks. Essentially, Dan Gilbert is buying these picks... not trading coveted roster players for them. I don't see how this is a bad thing?

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@Hot Snot

I think by now everyone agrees this is a pretty weak draft and i meant that it would have been better if they got picks for future drafts instead of this years draft. With 3 top ten picks you could be getting 3 superstars which is very unlikely in this draft but I guess thats also the reason why the teams gave up these picks so easily. Basically I would have preferred they get all these top 10 picks in a stronger draft year

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@ ShekiruBoom, agreed.

@ ShekiruBoom, agreed. Ideally it would have been fantastic in another year but then the price becomes too high to pay to acquire them. If you go through the 06 draft there are some pretty good players in there including a couple max guys and allstars, but no "superstars" You can still build a really good team with 3 of those drafted players. This years top guys Irving, Williams, Jones, Sullinger, Barnes, Kanter... 2 of those players would be a good draft. Having an owner willing to open up his check book to pay for those opportunities without much impact to the existing team is a nice luxury to have for a fan. Who's to say they don't attempt the same thing in the following draft? If owners continue to be willing to sell their high unprotected picks and Gilbert is still willing to buy I don't see a downside. 3 or 4 high lottery picks this year and 2 more next year (including their own again) and this team could very quickly rebuild with very good talent.... provided they don't screw up the scouting!?

Cleveland needs fresh new faces to market around and these next two drafts will provide just that. It actually makes great business sense to buy these picks too. Technically its a way of circumventing the cap by being able to spend more then the 3 million allowed to be used in a trade, by including a high priced player the other team doesn't want (like Rip Hamilton) just so the Cavs can buy him out. You can factor this expense into increased tickets sales the new picks will provide because of increased enthusiasm by the fans. Also, alot of high lottery picks are underpaid for their first 4 years in the league as a result of the rookie scale contracts they must sign. If you factor in Rip Hamiltons buyout which would have been 18 million and spread that cost over the 4 years of the #7 pick's contract, its really not a loss at all if they draft well and that player performs. Throw in all the cap space they'll have after the summer of 2012 which should be 23 million (if they decline Gibsons nearly 5 million option) plus the 5 lottery picks which should make an average of 3.5 - 4 million each for a total of around 40.5-43 million. If the lottery picks perform then they should be attractive to some decent free agents. Its a two year rebuilding plan that has potential if they don't screw it up. Teams usually build via 1 high draft pick a year and by the 3rd year they are already a decent team with a mid 1st round pick instead of a high lottery pick again.

Even if this seasons draft is weak... Move all the players down 2-4 spots if they were included in a really strong draft and you realize Cleveland will still come away with quality players.

In a better draft this situation just isn't possible,... in fact I don't think its been done before. I just thought this merrited some discussion to see what others think.

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Apart from a weekly win over

Apart from a weekly win over the Knicks, Cleveland are struggling and with no extra picks until they get the Miami ones in 2013 and 2015 then trying to get hold of additional picks to rebuild with is a fairly sound strategy by Chris Grant and Dan Gilbert. Also they struggled to get FA’s with LeBron there so rebuilding via the draft may be the only way forward. Extra picks may not only yield talent it allows flexibility to trade up the draft if required.

Look at Sam Presti at the Thunder who stockpiled picks as they regrouped around Kevin Durant and the team rebuilt via the draft almost exclusively until the recent Perkins and Green trade. Also Daryl Morey at the Rockets has been getting his hand on picks recently whilst they figure how to go forward.

Picks are not everything but it does give a team a building point to start from and I always remember Red Auerbach saying you cannot ever have enough picks or words to that effect.

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