[J_01Participant]

 Cleveland trades Bynum and a future first to the Bulls in exchange for Luol Deng.

[J_01Participant]

 Actually 3 future picks

"In exchange for Deng, the Cavs send Chicago Bynum, Cleveland’s right to the Sacramento King’s first round draft pick conveyed in a June 30, 2011 deal, the right for Chicago to swap its own 2015 first round draft pick with the Cavs own 2015 first round draft pick (only in the case that the Cleveland 2015 first round draft pick is between 15 and 30) and the Portland Trail Blazer’s 2015 and 2016 second round draft picks acquired from the Trail Blazers via 2013 draft night trade."

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/deng-trade-140107

 

[QuickPostCParticipant]

Thibs is crying in his office right now like a baby. I don’t think he wants to live without playing Deng 48 minutes a night. He may protest by only starting 4 players next game.

[QuickPostCParticipant]

Thibs is crying in his office right now like a baby. I don’t think he wants to live without playing Deng 48 minutes a night. He may protest by only starting 4 players next game.

[J_01Participant]

 Actually 3 future picks

"In exchange for Deng, the Cavs send Chicago Bynum, Cleveland’s right to the Sacramento King’s first round draft pick conveyed in a June 30, 2011 deal, the right for Chicago to swap its own 2015 first round draft pick with the Cavs own 2015 first round draft pick (only in the case that the Cleveland 2015 first round draft pick is between 15 and 30) and the Portland Trail Blazer’s 2015 and 2016 second round draft picks acquired from the Trail Blazers via 2013 draft night trade."

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/deng-trade-140107

 

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

Wait, are you serious?

[J_01Participant]

 Trade is official this wasn’t my idea lol

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

My Lakers are stubborn as f**k smh.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

My Lakers are stubborn as f**k smh.

[J_01Participant]

 Trade is official this wasn’t my idea lol

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

Wait, are you serious?

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Bulls were going to let Deng walk anyway, might as well get a few picks out of it.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Bulls were going to let Deng walk anyway, might as well get a few picks out of it.

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

didnt see that one coming. Well if the lotto is rigged the bulls will win it.  

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

didnt see that one coming. Well if the lotto is rigged the bulls will win it.  

[CavsFan07Participant]

Love the trade. We have several 2nd round picks and as good as Portland has been they’ll probably be in the 50s..

I was beginning to think we’ll never see the Sac pick anyway..

Swapping 1sts won’t be that relevant since it’s protected and we both have to make playoffs for it to occur.. This makes the Cavs better now and upgraded the weakest position on the team with an All-Star SF.. I understand the concern of him not resigning, I get that. But if you’re going to accrue assets and picks, eventually you have to roll the dice (see Deron Williams Trade). Love it!

 

 

 

 

[Scott42444Participant]

 …according to someone on CBS Sports.  That means the Bulls can use that as an asset in this year’s draft or in 2015 with some of the better teams in the league who will be able to take advantage of maybe the 20th pick versus 27th.  That makes it a little more valuable.

[Scott42444Participant]

 …according to someone on CBS Sports.  That means the Bulls can use that as an asset in this year’s draft or in 2015 with some of the better teams in the league who will be able to take advantage of maybe the 20th pick versus 27th.  That makes it a little more valuable.

[CavsFan07Participant]

Love the trade. We have several 2nd round picks and as good as Portland has been they’ll probably be in the 50s..

I was beginning to think we’ll never see the Sac pick anyway..

Swapping 1sts won’t be that relevant since it’s protected and we both have to make playoffs for it to occur.. This makes the Cavs better now and upgraded the weakest position on the team with an All-Star SF.. I understand the concern of him not resigning, I get that. But if you’re going to accrue assets and picks, eventually you have to roll the dice (see Deron Williams Trade). Love it!

 

 

 

 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Bulls tanking, Cavs holding out hope on this season I guess. Really wanted to see Waiters, Kobe, and Nick Young on the floor at the same time at some point this season, oh well.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Bulls tanking, Cavs holding out hope on this season I guess. Really wanted to see Waiters, Kobe, and Nick Young on the floor at the same time at some point this season, oh well.

[hbomb3300Participant]

What a terrible trade…  the Cavs give up picks to become a little better to probably fall out of the top 10 of the best draft in 10 years…  horrible!  I don’t understand how management can be this short sighted!

[[email protected]Participant]

It is Sacramento’s top 10 protected for 2 more years then becomes a 2nd round pick.

 

So Cavs gave up cap relief(Bynum) and 3 future 2nd rounders and a .0001% to exchange 1st round picks if Cavs are not in lottery for 1yr to convince Deng to resign or have cap space as well.

[[email protected]Participant]

It is Sacramento’s top 10 protected for 2 more years then becomes a 2nd round pick.

 

So Cavs gave up cap relief(Bynum) and 3 future 2nd rounders and a .0001% to exchange 1st round picks if Cavs are not in lottery for 1yr to convince Deng to resign or have cap space as well.

[ConezdParticipant]

 Talk about short sided. That’s be you. Lest we forget, the Cavs were expected to compete this year. They had Kyrie banged up a little early in the season and trying to figure out how to use Bynum. On top of Bynum obviously being a problem in the locker room. Adding Deng solidifies the SF spot(for the time being. IE:we’ll see if he’s tempted to resign come seasons end.) plus it’s a bonus just to get Bynum out of there. Varejao is a good center so the won’t be without a serviceable guy there. Now they have a great, legit, proven 1-2 scoring punch which I think helps out waiters because he’ll have less attention on him in game when he starts or it will set him up to handle the ball off the bench which is where he excels and prefers. Mike Brown gets Dengs great defensive ability to throw on the other teams best wing player also. I think you roll the dice that if you turn your season around and make a little noise that Deng will resign long term and be set with a proven all star caliber SF.  

[hbomb3300Participant]

 I’m being short sighted?  Ok so we have Deng, all plays out well and end up with a 5th seed in the East…  so what???  What is the point of making the playoffs if you have no chance of making the Finals?  Cavs will still not even be close to Heat or Pacers level.  Also, I wasn’t talking about the Kings pick when I said top 10 pick…  I was talking about the Cavs’ pick…  not sure how you came to that conclusion. 

[wrectorParticipant]

Deng has more to offer than just 20 points and 7 rebs a night. He brings leadership to a young team, a defensive mindset, and a winning mentality. All things the Cavs desperately need. If the Cavs make a playoff push it gives them experience and motivation in following seasons to continually improve. Sitting in the lottery for the 4th consecutive year makes Kyrie and fans want to leave the organization behind.

[hbomb3300Participant]

Only way I think you can justify this trade is making the playoffs for two years will make Kyrie more likely to resign.  Personally, I’d much rather have a team that builds through the draft and ends up drafting well enough while getting a little lucky to end up creating a contender instead of bringing in an aging veteran and making a yearly 1st or 2nd round exit from the playoffs. 

[hbomb3300Participant]

Only way I think you can justify this trade is making the playoffs for two years will make Kyrie more likely to resign.  Personally, I’d much rather have a team that builds through the draft and ends up drafting well enough while getting a little lucky to end up creating a contender instead of bringing in an aging veteran and making a yearly 1st or 2nd round exit from the playoffs. 

[wrectorParticipant]

Deng has more to offer than just 20 points and 7 rebs a night. He brings leadership to a young team, a defensive mindset, and a winning mentality. All things the Cavs desperately need. If the Cavs make a playoff push it gives them experience and motivation in following seasons to continually improve. Sitting in the lottery for the 4th consecutive year makes Kyrie and fans want to leave the organization behind.

[[email protected]Participant]

The right to swap 2015 picks is top 15 protected so can’t be a lottery pick either! And most likely Bulls will finish with a worse record anyway so that’s not happening.

[[email protected]Participant]

The right to swap 2015 picks is top 15 protected so can’t be a lottery pick either! And most likely Bulls will finish with a worse record anyway so that’s not happening.

[hbomb3300Participant]

 I’m being short sighted?  Ok so we have Deng, all plays out well and end up with a 5th seed in the East…  so what???  What is the point of making the playoffs if you have no chance of making the Finals?  Cavs will still not even be close to Heat or Pacers level.  Also, I wasn’t talking about the Kings pick when I said top 10 pick…  I was talking about the Cavs’ pick…  not sure how you came to that conclusion. 

[ConezdParticipant]

 Talk about short sided. That’s be you. Lest we forget, the Cavs were expected to compete this year. They had Kyrie banged up a little early in the season and trying to figure out how to use Bynum. On top of Bynum obviously being a problem in the locker room. Adding Deng solidifies the SF spot(for the time being. IE:we’ll see if he’s tempted to resign come seasons end.) plus it’s a bonus just to get Bynum out of there. Varejao is a good center so the won’t be without a serviceable guy there. Now they have a great, legit, proven 1-2 scoring punch which I think helps out waiters because he’ll have less attention on him in game when he starts or it will set him up to handle the ball off the bench which is where he excels and prefers. Mike Brown gets Dengs great defensive ability to throw on the other teams best wing player also. I think you roll the dice that if you turn your season around and make a little noise that Deng will resign long term and be set with a proven all star caliber SF.  

[hbomb3300Participant]

What a terrible trade…  the Cavs give up picks to become a little better to probably fall out of the top 10 of the best draft in 10 years…  horrible!  I don’t understand how management can be this short sighted!

[Scott42444Participant]

 I wondered if Luol was going to net another draft pick AND the answer was no (unless the Kings go on an absolute tear, guess I am going to cheer for the Kings, Bobcats, and engender plays the Bulls for one season only).  Of course, if the Kings are stuck in the lottery it could be a 2016 lottery pick.  Although, realistically the Bulls needed to be under the cap in order to pry Mirotic away AND be aggressive in free agency, since they would run the risk of being in the repeater tax territory which would lose them their MLE in a couple seasons.  

It boils down to a few things, the Bulls want to rebuild on the fly and CAN do that now with salary cap relief and multiple draft picks.  Also, Deng and his representatives must have held fast to that $15 million a year starting price, which means he was asking the Bulls to pay more than they are willing to since he had ALOT of miles on him.  Who is more important to the Bulls future?  Mirotic, who at 22 has an out clause after this season for $2.5 million or Deng (who would have maxed or the Bulls cap number at $15 million a year, even with amnestying Boozer)? 

 

With the Bulls now more than likely to get a Top 7 pick of their own, the Bobcats (not likely, but maybe the Kings) pick, Mirotic, AND after the Boozer amnesty max cap room they really can rebuild in one off-season if things like Rose’s recovery, the draft lottery and free agency go their way.

 

 

 

[Scott42444Participant]

 It will be extinguished if Sacramento fails to get out of the lottery, although it’s protected 55-60 in the 2nd round of 2017 (which I don’t think is possible unless they go from 3 more straight lotteries to championship contender in 2016-2017).  I never quite understood a draft pick trade just getting extinguished based on bad luck.

[Scott42444Participant]

 It will be extinguished if Sacramento fails to get out of the lottery, although it’s protected 55-60 in the 2nd round of 2017 (which I don’t think is possible unless they go from 3 more straight lotteries to championship contender in 2016-2017).  I never quite understood a draft pick trade just getting extinguished based on bad luck.

[Scott42444Participant]

 I wondered if Luol was going to net another draft pick AND the answer was no (unless the Kings go on an absolute tear, guess I am going to cheer for the Kings, Bobcats, and engender plays the Bulls for one season only).  Of course, if the Kings are stuck in the lottery it could be a 2016 lottery pick.  Although, realistically the Bulls needed to be under the cap in order to pry Mirotic away AND be aggressive in free agency, since they would run the risk of being in the repeater tax territory which would lose them their MLE in a couple seasons.  

It boils down to a few things, the Bulls want to rebuild on the fly and CAN do that now with salary cap relief and multiple draft picks.  Also, Deng and his representatives must have held fast to that $15 million a year starting price, which means he was asking the Bulls to pay more than they are willing to since he had ALOT of miles on him.  Who is more important to the Bulls future?  Mirotic, who at 22 has an out clause after this season for $2.5 million or Deng (who would have maxed or the Bulls cap number at $15 million a year, even with amnestying Boozer)? 

 

With the Bulls now more than likely to get a Top 7 pick of their own, the Bobcats (not likely, but maybe the Kings) pick, Mirotic, AND after the Boozer amnesty max cap room they really can rebuild in one off-season if things like Rose’s recovery, the draft lottery and free agency go their way.

 

 

 

[benny15Participant]

 seems like both teams got what they wanted. 

 the bulls get to save on money with bynum’s deal. they also free up playing time for Tony Snell who has played decently when het got minutes earlier this season when Butler and Hinrich were hurt. like mentioned earlier, they were more likely going to let Deng walk in free agency so now they get to work on building chemistry between Tony and Jimmy on the wings earlier than expected. they can also try to compete and win games with their defense but the lack of offense would still rake losses for them and improve their place in the draft. the additional picks is really just gravy which can turn out to be 

the cavs on the other hand acquire a much needed veteran player to fill their weakest position. even if deng decides to have surgery to repair the torn ligament in his wrist, the cavs still gain a lot in this trade due to the swap with luol’s professional approach to the game in contrast with bynum’s. even if he doesnt resign in the off-season, having him for these months would make a positive impact on the young talent on this team. and the picks they sent out was an acceptable price to pay for a better and improved culture in their lockeroom

[benny15Participant]

 seems like both teams got what they wanted. 

 the bulls get to save on money with bynum’s deal. they also free up playing time for Tony Snell who has played decently when het got minutes earlier this season when Butler and Hinrich were hurt. like mentioned earlier, they were more likely going to let Deng walk in free agency so now they get to work on building chemistry between Tony and Jimmy on the wings earlier than expected. they can also try to compete and win games with their defense but the lack of offense would still rake losses for them and improve their place in the draft. the additional picks is really just gravy which can turn out to be 

the cavs on the other hand acquire a much needed veteran player to fill their weakest position. even if deng decides to have surgery to repair the torn ligament in his wrist, the cavs still gain a lot in this trade due to the swap with luol’s professional approach to the game in contrast with bynum’s. even if he doesnt resign in the off-season, having him for these months would make a positive impact on the young talent on this team. and the picks they sent out was an acceptable price to pay for a better and improved culture in their lockeroom

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Great move by bulls, freeing up cap space. They now can sign a big name player. The should amnesty boozer, draft a small forward with their pick(5-10),use the Charlotte pick(15-20) to grab a backup big like Payne, start taj, and possibly throw their name in the Melo sweepstakes

[samosasParticipant]

 I was with you until the Melo part.  If they want to win a title, why would they pick up Melo?

[Scott42444Participant]

 …for the Bulls, as long as Butler and Noah remain on the team.  His offense truly is elite and that is the Bulls biggest hole.  I don’t like it, but the NBA basically has different rules for superstars and there aren’t realistically many that I think the Bulls have a chance to get.  If they sign Mirotic and Melo this off-season and add 2 sub 20 2014 draft picks to the team they can consider themselves legitimate contenders next season and for the foreseeable future.

[Scott42444Participant]

 …for the Bulls, as long as Butler and Noah remain on the team.  His offense truly is elite and that is the Bulls biggest hole.  I don’t like it, but the NBA basically has different rules for superstars and there aren’t realistically many that I think the Bulls have a chance to get.  If they sign Mirotic and Melo this off-season and add 2 sub 20 2014 draft picks to the team they can consider themselves legitimate contenders next season and for the foreseeable future.

[samosasParticipant]

 I was with you until the Melo part.  If they want to win a title, why would they pick up Melo?

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Great move by bulls, freeing up cap space. They now can sign a big name player. The should amnesty boozer, draft a small forward with their pick(5-10),use the Charlotte pick(15-20) to grab a backup big like Payne, start taj, and possibly throw their name in the Melo sweepstakes

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Love it as a Bulls fan.  Probably weren’t going to keep Deng.  Got a few draft picks out of it, and makes our team worse this year for a potentially higher lottery pick.  I like it.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Love it as a Bulls fan.  Probably weren’t going to keep Deng.  Got a few draft picks out of it, and makes our team worse this year for a potentially higher lottery pick.  I like it.

[220Participant]

 There goes the Bulls absolutely not trading Luol Deng. It makes sense though since they weren’t coming to a contract agreement plus they have a cheaper albeit lesser version for now of Deng in Jimmy Butler. The Bulls gave it a good run, but with Rose hurt again it seemed like someone had to go.

Dan Gilbert most really want to be in the playoffs this year. From my perspective it seems like a good year to be in the lottery though. 

[220Participant]

 There goes the Bulls absolutely not trading Luol Deng. It makes sense though since they weren’t coming to a contract agreement plus they have a cheaper albeit lesser version for now of Deng in Jimmy Butler. The Bulls gave it a good run, but with Rose hurt again it seemed like someone had to go.

Dan Gilbert most really want to be in the playoffs this year. From my perspective it seems like a good year to be in the lottery though. 

[phila9012Participant]

 The bulls have mirotic hopefully coming over next year or the year after. He would fit great with rose. Then if they take a guy like Gary Harris, the bulls would have legit scoring option with rose in the back court and a legit scoring big man. Combined with Noah’s great defense and Butler’s great defense and solid offense. Throw in a couple free agent signings and they would be a young team rebuilt in a year (if mirotic came over next year).

[phila9012Participant]

 The bulls have mirotic hopefully coming over next year or the year after. He would fit great with rose. Then if they take a guy like Gary Harris, the bulls would have legit scoring option with rose in the back court and a legit scoring big man. Combined with Noah’s great defense and Butler’s great defense and solid offense. Throw in a couple free agent signings and they would be a young team rebuilt in a year (if mirotic came over next year).

[druneave3Participant]

Joakim, I think that plantar fasciitis is acting up again. Better sit the rest of the year. Chill, and let that stick stickity heal your body. 

[druneave3Participant]

Joakim, I think that plantar fasciitis is acting up again. Better sit the rest of the year. Chill, and let that stick stickity heal your body. 

[TyroberParticipant]

 Basically the Cavs gave up 3 2nd round picks for Deng. The Kings pick is top 10 protected for a couple more years and with the way the West is and how Kings management does things it looks like it is a 2017 2nd rounder. They can only swap 2015 picks if Cleveland makes the playoffs, but they can still only swap. We don’t know who the Bulls will be next year because they could be contenders again with a healthy Rose or back in the lottery without him. I really like this trade for both teams. Cavs didn’t give up any real assets and I highly doubt they’ll let Deng walk in the summer. 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

I 2nd everything you just said. Grants record as a drafter is suspect but he is above average as a traitor.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

I 2nd everything you just said. Grants record as a drafter is suspect but he is above average as a traitor.

[TyroberParticipant]

 Basically the Cavs gave up 3 2nd round picks for Deng. The Kings pick is top 10 protected for a couple more years and with the way the West is and how Kings management does things it looks like it is a 2017 2nd rounder. They can only swap 2015 picks if Cleveland makes the playoffs, but they can still only swap. We don’t know who the Bulls will be next year because they could be contenders again with a healthy Rose or back in the lottery without him. I really like this trade for both teams. Cavs didn’t give up any real assets and I highly doubt they’ll let Deng walk in the summer. 

[AmiableBaller34Participant]

 I’ve noticed a lot of people around the Web are hating on the Cavs right now because of this deal, and I think they are just a little upset that they aren’t tanking (It’s funny how people complain about teams tanking, then complain more when they make moves not to tank). This is a solid deal for the Cavs, and if Luol resigns, then they have a pretty good team going forward, and could potentially be one piece away from being a true contender. 

I think CLE has a good guard rotation with Kyrie/Waiters/Jack, and a good frontcourt foundation with Thompson/Varejao. Deng is the quintessential glue guy, and I honestly believe the Cavs are one piece away from making some noise.

If Bennett and Sergey can give them anything, whether it be by production or trade, than I think the Cavs will have a nice roster moving forward, with a nice blend of young talent and veteran leaders. Their main priority this draft should be a big who can score, or a combo SF/SG type who can shoot. 

Overall I think this is an under rated move so far.

[hbomb3300Participant]

 One piece away?  Who is this piece?  And how is it coming?  Even if the Cavs are lucky enough to resign Deng that would mean there’s not much cap space left for anyone… only way to justify this deal is if you say Kyrie will be more likely to resign in 2015 after making the playoffs.  I would much rather have a top 7 pick in this draft then a veteran whose best years are behind him.

[wrectorParticipant]

"…best years are behind him."

Clearly – he’s only averaging career highs in points and assists, while playing his lowest minutes since the 08-09 season. lol

 

[hbomb3300Participant]

You’re right… a 30 year old who has led the league in minutes for 4 years has a ton of great seasons left!  So amazingly durable too!  What steal!

[wrectorParticipant]

 Cavs only have him for the rest of this season. You’re acting like they just signed him to a 10 year deal

[wrectorParticipant]

 Cavs only have him for the rest of this season. You’re acting like they just signed him to a 10 year deal

[hbomb3300Participant]

You’re only strengthening my point…  this is a short sighted move by an owner desperate to make the playoffs.  That may be enough for some people but making the playoffs in the horrible East is not an accomplishment in my book.  I want the team in my city to have loftier expectations and goals than that.  

 

If Deng leaves after this season can you really consider this trade a win for the Cavs?  If they overpay him on a 4 year deal so the Cavs can be a playoff cellar dweller for 4 years considered a win?  In my mind it’s a lose lose situation. 

 

 

 

[hbomb3300Participant]

You’re only strengthening my point…  this is a short sighted move by an owner desperate to make the playoffs.  That may be enough for some people but making the playoffs in the horrible East is not an accomplishment in my book.  I want the team in my city to have loftier expectations and goals than that.  

 

If Deng leaves after this season can you really consider this trade a win for the Cavs?  If they overpay him on a 4 year deal so the Cavs can be a playoff cellar dweller for 4 years considered a win?  In my mind it’s a lose lose situation. 

 

 

 

[wrectorParticipant]

 Cavs making the playoffs this season makes convincing Irving to stick around a whole lot easier. Not only that, but if the team glues well with Deng he may stick around, and even if he doesn’t it creates some buzz that may bring in a better FA signing than what Cleveland is used to because they see that success is possible with this team. If the Cavs are in the lottery again this season Chris Grant gets the boot and they continue to bottom-feed until Gilbert finds someone who can plug holes in this sinking ship. Who would the Cavs draft this year that immediately places them into the playoffs? Outside of Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins probably no one, and maybe not even them.

 Outside of all of this, what did the Cavs really give up by trading for Deng? A locker room nuisance? A couple late 2nd rounders? A more than likely 2nd rounder from the Kings? And the option to switch picks in the 2015 draft, which may not be all that big of a difference if the Cavs have a higher pick? The team expected to make the playoffs this season so not being in the lottery isn’t a loss for the Cavs.

[wrectorParticipant]

 Cavs making the playoffs this season makes convincing Irving to stick around a whole lot easier. Not only that, but if the team glues well with Deng he may stick around, and even if he doesn’t it creates some buzz that may bring in a better FA signing than what Cleveland is used to because they see that success is possible with this team. If the Cavs are in the lottery again this season Chris Grant gets the boot and they continue to bottom-feed until Gilbert finds someone who can plug holes in this sinking ship. Who would the Cavs draft this year that immediately places them into the playoffs? Outside of Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins probably no one, and maybe not even them.

 Outside of all of this, what did the Cavs really give up by trading for Deng? A locker room nuisance? A couple late 2nd rounders? A more than likely 2nd rounder from the Kings? And the option to switch picks in the 2015 draft, which may not be all that big of a difference if the Cavs have a higher pick? The team expected to make the playoffs this season so not being in the lottery isn’t a loss for the Cavs.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

 I don’t think hbomb gets it.  The Cavs were going to waive Bynum anyway, at least now they get Luol Deng and see if they want to bring him back by season’s end.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

 I don’t think hbomb gets it.  The Cavs were going to waive Bynum anyway, at least now they get Luol Deng and see if they want to bring him back by season’s end.

[wrectorParticipant]

If you want to complain about anything, you should be complaining about Grant’s draft choices. He is great at making trades that work in his favor, but he is a sub-par drafter. Kyrie and Tristan were good choices in my book. Waiters doesn’t fit with Kyrie and he was a reach at 4. I don’t think Anthony Bennett will turn out to be as bad as a pick as everyone expects but I also think there were better players to be had. Grant was trying to build through the draft and be the next Sam Presti but he missed out on too many players. Now he has to work his trade magic to save his a**.

[wrectorParticipant]

If you want to complain about anything, you should be complaining about Grant’s draft choices. He is great at making trades that work in his favor, but he is a sub-par drafter. Kyrie and Tristan were good choices in my book. Waiters doesn’t fit with Kyrie and he was a reach at 4. I don’t think Anthony Bennett will turn out to be as bad as a pick as everyone expects but I also think there were better players to be had. Grant was trying to build through the draft and be the next Sam Presti but he missed out on too many players. Now he has to work his trade magic to save his a**.

[hbomb3300Participant]

I think both of you are over valuing making the playoffs.  I agree the picks aren’t a big sacrifice, but you can’t say they are meaningless either. The biggest sacrifice is being 8 to 10 spots lower in this year’s draft…  the best draft in a decade.  Trading for used up veterans hasn’t worked EVER for the Cavs so why do people keep wanting it?  A top 7 pick in this draft may not mean immediate success but it could mean the franchise player we need next to Kyrie to seriously compete with the Pacers or Heat.  

[hbomb3300Participant]

I think both of you are over valuing making the playoffs.  I agree the picks aren’t a big sacrifice, but you can’t say they are meaningless either. The biggest sacrifice is being 8 to 10 spots lower in this year’s draft…  the best draft in a decade.  Trading for used up veterans hasn’t worked EVER for the Cavs so why do people keep wanting it?  A top 7 pick in this draft may not mean immediate success but it could mean the franchise player we need next to Kyrie to seriously compete with the Pacers or Heat.  

[wrectorParticipant]

The Cavs weren’t trading for Deng, they were getting rid of Bynum if that makes sense. The Cavs wouldn’t have been bad enough to get a franchise player this year, unless they won the lottery again.Utah, Milwaukee, Orlando & Sacramento would be worse, probably Philly too. 

[wrectorParticipant]

The Cavs weren’t trading for Deng, they were getting rid of Bynum if that makes sense. The Cavs wouldn’t have been bad enough to get a franchise player this year, unless they won the lottery again.Utah, Milwaukee, Orlando & Sacramento would be worse, probably Philly too. 

[hbomb3300Participant]

Bynum was going to be waived or traded…  would be gone either way.  The lottery is always a crap shoot but it’s one thing the Cavs are good at so I would take the chance of 6th or 7th best odds over being a mediocre team in the East.

[hbomb3300Participant]

Bynum was going to be waived or traded…  would be gone either way.  The lottery is always a crap shoot but it’s one thing the Cavs are good at so I would take the chance of 6th or 7th best odds over being a mediocre team in the East.

[wrectorParticipant]

 The Cavs are good at the lottery? Oh, ok. So when the Cavs aren’t able to draft a franchise talent, or CG misses again, then what do the Cavs do? Expect Kyrie to wait another 2 years before he even tastes the playoffs?

Being stuck in the playoffs is better than being stuck in the lottery.

 

 

[wrectorParticipant]

 The Cavs are good at the lottery? Oh, ok. So when the Cavs aren’t able to draft a franchise talent, or CG misses again, then what do the Cavs do? Expect Kyrie to wait another 2 years before he even tastes the playoffs?

Being stuck in the playoffs is better than being stuck in the lottery.

 

 

[hbomb3300Participant]

Cavs being good at the lottery was a joke… a bad joke but a joke.  So since they’ve drafted bad in the past they should just give up on it?  Well again, I’d rather my team be patient and build with youth and you’d rather they playoff fodder for good teams… maybe you have a shot at being the Cavs next GM.

[wrectorParticipant]

 You continue to neglect the fact that by sitting in the lottery for another two years you lose your franchise player in Kyrie. This org has tried to build through the lottery for the past 4 years, now its time to show some progress and win. I don’t understand how that is so hard for you to grip. If the team plays well enough they better their chances at signing a FA with proven talent in the offseason instead of  hoping and wishing a player from the draft develops into what they’re supposed to.

[wrectorParticipant]

 You continue to neglect the fact that by sitting in the lottery for another two years you lose your franchise player in Kyrie. This org has tried to build through the lottery for the past 4 years, now its time to show some progress and win. I don’t understand how that is so hard for you to grip. If the team plays well enough they better their chances at signing a FA with proven talent in the offseason instead of  hoping and wishing a player from the draft develops into what they’re supposed to.

[hbomb3300Participant]

Cavs being good at the lottery was a joke… a bad joke but a joke.  So since they’ve drafted bad in the past they should just give up on it?  Well again, I’d rather my team be patient and build with youth and you’d rather they playoff fodder for good teams… maybe you have a shot at being the Cavs next GM.

[hbomb3300Participant]

You’re right… a 30 year old who has led the league in minutes for 4 years has a ton of great seasons left!  So amazingly durable too!  What steal!

[wrectorParticipant]

"…best years are behind him."

Clearly – he’s only averaging career highs in points and assists, while playing his lowest minutes since the 08-09 season. lol

 

[AmiableBaller34Participant]

 I don’t know who that player is going to be, but I know I rather throw out a lineup of Irving-Waiters-Deng-Thompson-Varejao than what they are fielding now. The Cavs might not have gotten too high of a pick this year, so you’re clutching at straws there. Irving and Deng are legit All-Star players, and Thompson and Varejao are both good energy bigs who play D. That’s not a bad place to start, and if you were to add another allstar caliber player, than why couldn’t that team be competitive?

I know I might be over rating him a little more than most people, but I really think Kyrie Irving is THAT good, and could easily be the first option on a contending team. He just makes the game look so easy at times, and can score in so many ways. He looks like a 6’3 Kobe to me at times, and I’m amazed that someone 21 years old can draw that comparison from me.  

This also isn’t the only deal the Cavs can make, and you need to keep this in mind. They still have Bennett, Sergey, Zeller, Dellavedova, and some picks to aquire another impact player, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw the Cavs make another deal. They want to win now. 

[AmiableBaller34Participant]

 I don’t know who that player is going to be, but I know I rather throw out a lineup of Irving-Waiters-Deng-Thompson-Varejao than what they are fielding now. The Cavs might not have gotten too high of a pick this year, so you’re clutching at straws there. Irving and Deng are legit All-Star players, and Thompson and Varejao are both good energy bigs who play D. That’s not a bad place to start, and if you were to add another allstar caliber player, than why couldn’t that team be competitive?

I know I might be over rating him a little more than most people, but I really think Kyrie Irving is THAT good, and could easily be the first option on a contending team. He just makes the game look so easy at times, and can score in so many ways. He looks like a 6’3 Kobe to me at times, and I’m amazed that someone 21 years old can draw that comparison from me.  

This also isn’t the only deal the Cavs can make, and you need to keep this in mind. They still have Bennett, Sergey, Zeller, Dellavedova, and some picks to aquire another impact player, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw the Cavs make another deal. They want to win now. 

[hbomb3300Participant]

 One piece away?  Who is this piece?  And how is it coming?  Even if the Cavs are lucky enough to resign Deng that would mean there’s not much cap space left for anyone… only way to justify this deal is if you say Kyrie will be more likely to resign in 2015 after making the playoffs.  I would much rather have a top 7 pick in this draft then a veteran whose best years are behind him.

[AmiableBaller34Participant]

 I’ve noticed a lot of people around the Web are hating on the Cavs right now because of this deal, and I think they are just a little upset that they aren’t tanking (It’s funny how people complain about teams tanking, then complain more when they make moves not to tank). This is a solid deal for the Cavs, and if Luol resigns, then they have a pretty good team going forward, and could potentially be one piece away from being a true contender. 

I think CLE has a good guard rotation with Kyrie/Waiters/Jack, and a good frontcourt foundation with Thompson/Varejao. Deng is the quintessential glue guy, and I honestly believe the Cavs are one piece away from making some noise.

If Bennett and Sergey can give them anything, whether it be by production or trade, than I think the Cavs will have a nice roster moving forward, with a nice blend of young talent and veteran leaders. Their main priority this draft should be a big who can score, or a combo SF/SG type who can shoot. 

Overall I think this is an under rated move so far.

[Moon RiverParticipant]

Wojo reported that Deng turned down a $30M 3 year extension by the Bulls last week.  He will probably get more and a longer deal in free agency, but the Bulls had to make this move.  Also, a very typical money saving move by Reinsdorf, so not a shock to anyone who follows the Bulls.

Just wait until D. Rose’s camp starts chirping about the Bulls current direction…….

[Moon RiverParticipant]

Wojo reported that Deng turned down a $30M 3 year extension by the Bulls last week.  He will probably get more and a longer deal in free agency, but the Bulls had to make this move.  Also, a very typical money saving move by Reinsdorf, so not a shock to anyone who follows the Bulls.

Just wait until D. Rose’s camp starts chirping about the Bulls current direction…….

[druneave3Participant]

 More trades to come for the Bulls. Source: Sam Amick

 

Kirk and Dunleavy would be my guess. I don’t think they move Taj, Jimmy, or Noah. 

 

 

[druneave3Participant]

 More trades to come for the Bulls. Source: Sam Amick

 

Kirk and Dunleavy would be my guess. I don’t think they move Taj, Jimmy, or Noah. 

 

 

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Bulls rebuilding 

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Bulls rebuilding 

[Moon RiverParticipant]

Any insiders who know what killed that deal?  I suspect it was Mitch insisting on Waiters be a part of the deal, but that is only speculation on my part.

[Moon RiverParticipant]

Any insiders who know what killed that deal?  I suspect it was Mitch insisting on Waiters be a part of the deal, but that is only speculation on my part.

[tuck243Participant]

I totally disagree.  We all knew they weren’t going to compete this year and they knew it too, so why not get rid of a player that was gonna leave in FA anyway?   Keep in mind that they can still amnesty Boozer and this will be a big FA year with Bron, Bosh, and Melo.   The Bulls were a year removed from being in the playoffs when they were able to get Derrick Rose with the Number 1 pick.   Can you imagine a team with Rose and fellow hometown hero Jabari Parker?   The chemistry on that team would be nuts.   The turnaround for them will be quick and I like what they’re doing. 

Side note: (I also think they won’t amnesty Boozer until they know they can land a FA to replace him)

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

I totally disagree.  We all knew they weren’t going to compete this year and they knew it too, so why not get rid of a player that was gonna leave in FA anyway?   Keep in mind that they can still amnesty Boozer and this will be a big FA year with Bron, Bosh, and Melo.   The Bulls were a year removed from being in the playoffs when they were able to get Derrick Rose with the Number 1 pick.   Can you imagine a team with Rose and fellow hometown hero Jabari Parker?   The chemistry on that team would be nuts.   The turnaround for them will be quick and I like what they’re doing. 

Side note: (I also think they won’t amnesty Boozer until they know they can land a FA to replace him)

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Cavs get a wing that can shoot and the Bulls get to tank with grace. They can sale 3 draft picks to the public to save face. Most of the public will be oblivious to the fact that all those picks are trash. 

Tanking is not fun to watch and Lebron is not in this draft. There is four prospects in the draft that will average 15 points a game as a rookie. This is my favorite draft in a while because of the overall talent but no D Wade’s. 

Winning and being competitive is fun to watch. I have been to 5 games this year and watched to others and its hard to pay for good seats if your team doesn’t have a shot. 

The best untalked benefit to the team potentially resigning Deng is that it will put us in the close to the hard cap zone. If a team is under the 60 million soft cap they have benefits but trading away salary for salary is not one of them. If he is resigned and Kyrie (or Thompson) is extended we would go into the 68 almost seventy million dollar hard cap limit. When your stuck at 60 you can’t go over but you still have to match salaries to some degree. You have to start the season already in the mid part between the hard and soft cap to make trades in the new CBA NBA without a gluttony of albotross contracts. Teams need a few guys making between 3 and 9 million to really mix and match salaries versus a big three and all minimum guys. The only way to go over at hat point is to extend a rookie deal forcing you over. 

I don’t think Deng with his injury history that he will get 15 million per unless its for 3, but the four year 52 million Iggy got will be the precedent. He will get between 50 and 60 for four years, hopefully from the Cavs and hopefully closer to 50.

 

 

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Cavs get a wing that can shoot and the Bulls get to tank with grace. They can sale 3 draft picks to the public to save face. Most of the public will be oblivious to the fact that all those picks are trash. 

Tanking is not fun to watch and Lebron is not in this draft. There is four prospects in the draft that will average 15 points a game as a rookie. This is my favorite draft in a while because of the overall talent but no D Wade’s. 

Winning and being competitive is fun to watch. I have been to 5 games this year and watched to others and its hard to pay for good seats if your team doesn’t have a shot. 

The best untalked benefit to the team potentially resigning Deng is that it will put us in the close to the hard cap zone. If a team is under the 60 million soft cap they have benefits but trading away salary for salary is not one of them. If he is resigned and Kyrie (or Thompson) is extended we would go into the 68 almost seventy million dollar hard cap limit. When your stuck at 60 you can’t go over but you still have to match salaries to some degree. You have to start the season already in the mid part between the hard and soft cap to make trades in the new CBA NBA without a gluttony of albotross contracts. Teams need a few guys making between 3 and 9 million to really mix and match salaries versus a big three and all minimum guys. The only way to go over at hat point is to extend a rookie deal forcing you over. 

I don’t think Deng with his injury history that he will get 15 million per unless its for 3, but the four year 52 million Iggy got will be the precedent. He will get between 50 and 60 for four years, hopefully from the Cavs and hopefully closer to 50.

 

 

 

 

[[email protected]Participant]

OKC thunder are said to be top of the list of teams that will target Bynum after he is cut.

It was said that is the reason they made that minor 3 team trade loosing Ryan Gomes and got 2nd rounder and cleared a roster spot.

 

[[email protected]Participant]

OKC thunder are said to be top of the list of teams that will target Bynum after he is cut.

It was said that is the reason they made that minor 3 team trade loosing Ryan Gomes and got 2nd rounder and cleared a roster spot.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I’m sad to see Deng leave the Bulls after a decade but with D-Rose out they perhaps want cap options going forward and with the rumour being that the Bulls and Deng were several million apart on a new contract they risked losing him for nothing. So they have saved several million dollars which will compensate for possible lost play off revenue and maybe got a first round pick back too.

Personally I don’t see the Bulls amnestying Boozer in the summer as they would then be two key players down from what they were pre Deng trade and even if they did amnesty him, they would have $48 million on the cap plus this year’s draft pick and Mirotic to add potentially so cap space for a top FA would still be limited as Butler will be due a hefty extension in 2015.

Chicago have given themselves more draft options and in such a deep draft this year even if they pick in say 10 to 14 range they might get a default top 5 type player and also have a chance to get lucky in the lottery.

Deng is apparently after $15 million a year but I would put him more at $12 to $13 million a year given he is nearing 29 and has played in the NBA for a decade.

If Cleveland can keep Deng they have given up very little to get an All Star who will be a good experienced presence alongside Varejao on a young team. Cleveland get a huge SF upgrade with all respet to Earl Clark. Moving Bynum allows Anthony Bennett to see more frontcourt minutes at PF and he can interchange with Clark behind Deng or they could drop Deng into SG position for stretches if needs be.

Getting Deng instead of Gasol gives them a younger player and more options for the likes of Bennett in particular.

I like this trade for both teams, my main issue is it’s an internal division trade when teams often like to trade across conference but that’s just my personal view.

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I’m sad to see Deng leave the Bulls after a decade but with D-Rose out they perhaps want cap options going forward and with the rumour being that the Bulls and Deng were several million apart on a new contract they risked losing him for nothing. So they have saved several million dollars which will compensate for possible lost play off revenue and maybe got a first round pick back too.

Personally I don’t see the Bulls amnestying Boozer in the summer as they would then be two key players down from what they were pre Deng trade and even if they did amnesty him, they would have $48 million on the cap plus this year’s draft pick and Mirotic to add potentially so cap space for a top FA would still be limited as Butler will be due a hefty extension in 2015.

Chicago have given themselves more draft options and in such a deep draft this year even if they pick in say 10 to 14 range they might get a default top 5 type player and also have a chance to get lucky in the lottery.

Deng is apparently after $15 million a year but I would put him more at $12 to $13 million a year given he is nearing 29 and has played in the NBA for a decade.

If Cleveland can keep Deng they have given up very little to get an All Star who will be a good experienced presence alongside Varejao on a young team. Cleveland get a huge SF upgrade with all respet to Earl Clark. Moving Bynum allows Anthony Bennett to see more frontcourt minutes at PF and he can interchange with Clark behind Deng or they could drop Deng into SG position for stretches if needs be.

Getting Deng instead of Gasol gives them a younger player and more options for the likes of Bennett in particular.

I like this trade for both teams, my main issue is it’s an internal division trade when teams often like to trade across conference but that’s just my personal view.

 

 

 

 

 

[torukParticipant]

 Does this trade means the cavs are not trying to get lebron next summer?

[torukParticipant]

 Does this trade means the cavs are not trying to get lebron next summer?

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