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Cleveland reportedly shopping their #1 pick

Cleveland is reportedly now shopping their #1 pick acquired through the Kyrie trade.. What do you guys could they realistically get for the pick? Rumors about Cousins have been surfacing for a while now but no sure if New Orleans would do it. Lebron playing with the one of the best big man in the game would be entertaining for sure..


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Nobody is going to pick up

Nobody is going to pick up Clevelands phone call, its funny because now LeBron has the perfect excuse to leave Cleveland again.. "My new GM botched the trade and I had no choice but to leave" watch that happen

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Your so butt hurt about that

Your so butt hurt about that trade it's hilarious! You've obviously never been in business. I'll lay it out simple for you....... if a team covets that Brooklyn pick (which many would) they will deal! Period!

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I do know plenty about the

I do know plenty about the business, the fact that this story is even leaked is telling enough that Cleveland is doing everything in its power to create value for this pick..

Trust Me, Nobody is going to pick up Clevelands calls after this deal..

Also, Thomas doesn't even fit into Clevelands offense.. Cleveland got fleeced on this deal, I just dont like how the GM handled the trade, teams will be giving Cleveland the same treatment they gave Hinke after that Holiday deal..

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If the cavs did this deal

If the cavs did this deal without IT in it they didn't get fleeced. I guess we see who they get for this Brooklyn pick and how zizic turns out to see how "fleeced" they got

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LeBron and IT will struggle

LeBron and IT will struggle playing together, IT needs the ball in his hands to pick his spots.. and Lebron wont be able to spread the floor with Thomas like he did with Kyrie, Thomas is too small. Thomas's success in Boston was hyper-inflated due to how Brad Stevens methodically created his offense to be codependent on Thomas.. Thibodeau did the exact same thing with Nate Robinson and DJ Augustin!! Essentially Boston got arguably the best PG in the east, for a pick that Cleveland is desperately trying to get rid of because its a ticking time bomb (Brooklyn will be better than people think).

It seems like your a little late to whats going on here.

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Wow! Your killing me! One of

Wow! Your killing me! One of the greatest players ever, possibly the basketball we with the greatest IQ in the history of the game isn't going to be able to work out how to co-exist with his point guard that is a volume scorer? Who on that celtics team last year demanded a double team...... only Isaiah Thomas! You don't think there will be enough room on the floor for him to create his own shot with lebron dragging at least 2 defenders with him wherever he goes and love, JR and Korver on the wings?

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Thomas will struggle with the

Thomas will struggle with the Cavs creating chemistry as the point guard, let me remind you IT was taking 19 FGA in a slow paced offense!! More than Steph Curry and he was playing in a way higher tempo offense.

Just watch buddy.

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Ok mate, I'll agree to

Ok mate, I'll agree to disagree. I guess time will tell

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IT vs Steph shots

The FGA means nothing in this instance. You have to remember Steph played with other all stars Kevin Durant & Klay Thompson who had high FGA. IT's next best two shot attempters were Avery Bradley & Al Horford.

The main basis of chemistry will be how he works with Lebron. Who I still believe wants his teammates to score.

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When did the Celtics get John

When did the Celtics get John Wall?

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Right

He's talking like Kyrie wasn't a ball hog that didn't pass the ball. One of the games Kyrie and LeBron dribbled the ball more than their teammates and the Warriors COMBINED. That's insane. Kyrie is probably one of the biggest ball hogs in the league and LeBron made it work. That's NOT the issue for Cavs and IT. It's his defense late in games.

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If you understood how the

If you understood how the Cavs ran their offense, you'd understand why it was necessary for Lebron and Kyrie to dribbling and dominate the ball.. Some of you guys need to stop watching basketball at the spectators perspective.. Yes Kyrie did dominate the ball but do you know why he had too?

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Id be upset too. Watching

Id be upset too. Watching Paxson and Forman rebuild a team is like pulling teeth.

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Maybe it's just me, but I

Maybe it's just me, but I think for LeBron to leave Cleveland again would devastate his reputation. It was understandable the first time ... he'd singlehandedly made that team a contender from 2007-10, during which time management failed to find him a better teammate than Mo Williams and Big Z. After the Celtics dismantled them in the 2010 playoffs it seemed pretty clear that the Cavs despite their regular-season success were just not a contender in the same way as the Celts and Lakers. LeBron had to leave to "grow up," as he put it -- to learn how to win at the highest level.

But things are drastically different now. LeBron is a three-time, probably soon to be four-time repeat Eastern Conference champ. Since he's come back he's had two all-star level talents alongside him and a deep bench. This 2018 team roster is the best he's ever had -- Derrick Rose and Jae Crowder coming off the bench!

And he's going to leave that to go where? Perennial lottery teams like the Lakers or Knicks? The Clippers? His current Cavs running mates are better than what the Clippers could offer. The Spurs are the only team in the NBA where LeBron could go and legitimately claim he's trying to better himself, but the Spurs would have to gut themselves to acquire him. Same with the Celtics.

Anywhere LeBron went, he would be LOWERING his chances of winning a championship. It would really, really look like he was crushing the dreams of his hometown once again, so he could move to a city with better nightclubs.

No player in the discussion for GOAT played for three teams. Supposedly LeBron is into the history of the game in a big way -- surely he knows this.

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LBJ wanted to be win now in

LBJ wanted to be win now in 2013 when he returned to the Cavs hence K-Love was traded for. A lot will depend on whether the Cavs would be prepared to pay IT next summer. Factor in any new LBJ deal, K-Love and TT's current deals and a mega deal for IT may not stack up. But it becomes more flexible if they could get a top rookie in and it possibly widens LBJ's title window.

No-one has talked of what Cleveland might get if they shopped pick and possibly IT?

TT and the pick for DMC, Marc Gasol etc could be a possible deal.

A lot depends on how other GM's think Brooklyn could go next year, a likely top 3 pick is very attractive, something in 5 to 8 range a lot less so do you risk a star player on hoping the lottery balls come up?

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If I'm the Cavs I wouldn't

If I'm the Cavs I wouldn't trade this pick for a one-year rental...gotta think long-term. They trade for Cousins, they could lose Bron, IT and Cousins next summer and have nothing to show for it, for what? CLE is not a desirable city or organzation to play for among FA's so you might as well build through the draft. Have a top five pick next year and then another the following year once Bron leaves...

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I dont think the Pelicans

I dont think the Pelicans will be trading Cousins. They just gave Holiday $125 Mil over 5 years ($25 Mil per year) and have another $96 mil invested in Hill, Asik and Moore over the next 3 years ($10.5 Mil per year each). Anthony Davis also has 4 years on his contract and I doubt he will be happy with a rebuild so they would have to trade him as well and try to move the bad contracts with him but nobody is taking Holiday at that price because he is a good but not great PG entiring his declining years with a injury history.

They really need to gut all personnel within that organization because after drafting Anthony Davis you would think building a winning team would be an easy task but they did a horrible job, hopefully the addition of Rondo can change things up a bit and get them in the playoffs/convince Boogie to stay.

I fully expect Boogie to test free agency though so if the Pelicans can get the Brooklyn Pick for him and shed some salary its a good deal nontheless but would Cleveland make that deal on a possible rental.

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BKN pick is a start for any

BKN pick is a start for any Marc Gasol trade

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I can't believe Robb thinks

I can't believe Robb thinks Clev. got fleeced, not sure but I'd bet most people think Clev. is the one the made out like a bandit in this deal, they got way more than I thought they could or should have got.

As far as the Brk pick IMO that was one of the best things about the trade and Clev should keep it to start their rebuild. OR if they think they can get LaBron to stay by getting the talent he thinks they need then I can see why they would want to use it to do so.

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It's completely dependent on

It's completely dependent on how Brooklyn do (most obvious statement ever, I know). If injuries hit and the pick looks like it's gonna be top 3, it becomes more valuable and teams would be stupid not to deal with the cavs in that instance.

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To be honest, I see very

To be honest, I see very little value for CLE if they trade the pick. People seem to forget how little value those BRK picks had for Boston throughout the last 2 years. Cleveland has no chance to even match what people wanted from Boston, and others who start their trade proposals with "BRK pick and Tristan Thompson..." need to just wake up from their dream world. No team is sending out the best player in the deal AND taking on the worst contract. Not in this NBA of capologists. So any trade with Thompson or JR Smith needs to be reworked!

What is the value of the BRK pick coupled with Crowder, Zizec, Shumpert, or any other middling player on the Cavs? Probably not as much as people are expecting, and even more so when you consider that the Bulls/Pacers were looking at a deal of Crowder, Bradley, Razier, and the BRK pick for Butler/George. Even the Pelicans offered more for Cousins...If Cavs trade the pick it would probably be for C/B list players.

Cavs would be dumb to trade this pick. Crowder and IT give them depth they didn't have last year. Rose is insurance for IT, and the pick gives them more flexibility. JR, Love, Thompson, and Crowder locked up for the next 2/3 years. They are in cap hell, and that's assuming they let IT walk this year. Ante Zizec just became the best prospect on that roster. I don't think they can get a player this year that would make them much better (matching salaries is a tricky thing), nor do I think they can justify trading a sure lottery pick when they have a roster that is so void of talent.

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The Cavs will have a lot of

The Cavs will have a lot of options with this pick and if teams want to go into rebuild then getting their hands on a high pick is an immediate way to go.

I'll admit I did mention the Marc Gasol trade a lot as it makes sense - West to East, Marc has two guaranteed years on his deal, so his trade value will never be higher, Marc is 32 going into 33 so he may not have many peak years left, Memphis cashing in on him now could make sennse, adding him would surely be a factor to increase the chances of LBJ staying too.

Crowder will also be a huge help to the Cavs he can be 6th man - play starters minutes and reduce the workload of several key players directly or indirectly plus his salary is very cap friendly too.

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It looks like you can't trade

It looks like you can't trade IT again according to the ESPN Trade Machine.

Best trade MIGHT BE Conley, Gasol, and Brandan Wright to the Cavs for Kevin Love, Shump, JR Smith, Channing Frye, and that Nets pick. If I were the Grizzlies I would also ask for the Cavs 2018 first rounder and a future 2nd round pick.

Probably A LOT to give up for the Cavs since role players have value as does the pick, but Conley and Gasol help give the Cavs a really good two-way Big Three. Then you can let IT come along slowly and use him off the bench as the best instant offense 6th men in the league. If IT and Rose can coexist then I really like that backcourt off the bench. You can also play D Rose with Conley in a lot of rotations. TT remains their top rebounder and inside shot blocking threat (complementing Marc Gasol perfectly) and Jae Crowder can chip in and do different things. When healthy, Brandan Wright is a solid athlete who can block some shots and dunk. Good roll guy. Marc, TT, Wright, and Ante Zizic gives the Cavs a nice big man core. And, of course, they will also see lineups with LeBron and even Jae Crowder playing some 4.

The Grizzlies rebuild at the moment around Kevin Love and his semi-empty stats. They have a bunch of young guys so we will see if they can play. Maybe they bring back Tony Allen so Grit/Grind fans won't COMPLETELY revolt. He would probably up his minutes (and stats) even with Shump, JR Smith, and possibly a healthy/healthier Chandler Parsons in the lineup, but it would basically be "his team". So, maybe TA would be more motivated...

Grizz might end up still signing JaMyhcal Green. Would be a really good backup power forward. Or play him and Love together in some small ball lineups.

Even less perimeter scoring for the Grizz, but TA, Shump, JR Smith, along with Andrew Harrison might be able to defend enough to keep things interesting.

It would be a totally clunky team but any team with Kevin Love should be able to keep things interesting. Plus, you have the heart/soul of Grit/Grind in TA basically doing whatever he wants... Then you have HELP ON THE WAY in the 2018 draft with the Nets pick, their own Memphis pick, plus the Cavs first rounder...

As it stands, people are projecting the Grizzlies to win 37 or 38 games next season. I would RATHER win 30 games (maybe a touch more or a touch less) with a really good draft pick to look forward too... plus you get a solid return for Conley/Gasol (Kevin Love plus decent veteran types plus those picks).

So then for 2018-2019 maybe you have a 32 win team led by Kevin Love and Tony Allen aka THE ODD COUPLE plus picks at 4 (Nets pick), 8 (Grizz pick maybe), and 29 (Cavs pick). Hmm not bad... and you have an OUTSIDE SHOT at getting TWO top 3 picks.

A small market team could do worse...

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I wouldn't trade the pick just yet. I'll keep it until atleast the trade deadline, if not right up to draft day.

Would it help the Cavs to ship Shumpert and Thompson off to the Clippers for DJ? It's random but DJ is definitely an upgrade over Thompson and gives Cle a legit 7 footer who will defend the rim, clean the glass and have a field day catching lobs from Lebron,D Rose, and IT. DJ can opt ot after this season, so I think it's definitely something the Clippers would consider, especially if Cle offers a future 2nd rd pick.

Cavs: IT, JR, Lebron, Love, DJ

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LeBron is not trading that

LeBron is not trading that pick. It's too valuable. This is an incredible draft and there are 5-6 really good players. They got the better end of that trade by a mile.

It's also incredible how Ainge and all the Celtics fans are selling that pick to be worse than it is. The Nets aren't going to be the 9th worst team. No chance. That's a top 3 pick.

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Agreed. The Nets are going to

Agreed. The Nets are going to fight (they've got no reason to tank without a draft pick) and I kind of like their roster of scrappers, but seriously ... their best player is either D'Angelo Russell or Jeremy Lin.

If I'm Cleveland I don't trade this pick for anything less than an all-NBA guy, until I get a sense for where the Nets are going to finish.

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You guys fail to realize Brad

You guys fail to realize Brad Stevens is a master at making talent look better.. Hell he did it at Butler with 3star talent..

Just watch gentlemen.

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Stevens

So you're saying he does a proper coaches job? LOL Everyone knows hes a good coach that gets guys to play together.

If you're saying Thomas won't be good in Cleveland because he no longer has a great coach you not only underestimate Ty Lue, you also fail to realise Thomas has worked his butt off to get better every year hes been in the league silencing doubters since before he was "Mr Irrelevant". Can you name a player with more heart?

The only reason I feel he would have a major dip is if he does not recover from this hip injury.

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Clevelands offense is not

Clevelands offense is not built for Isaiah Thomas, Understand and realize that Stevens wrapped his whole offense around Thomas.. this wont be the case in Cleveland.. Thomas is too small to play off the ball on the opposite side of the floor with another dominant ball handler (Lebron) What is Cleveland going to do just to utilize LeBron and Thomas on the floor together? You could run Thomas off a screen or two but you'll slow down an offense that needs to be faster.

Thomas is no Kyrie Irving.. Brad Stevens has done wonders for players careers.. Turner, Crowder, Sullinger etc etc

Why hasn't any player played better after leaving Boston under Stevens?

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Ok

When did I say no player hasn't got better after leaving? That's your assumption.

Sullinger was not healthy and got out of shape. Turner was average before Stevens and average after.

You could also say David Lee played better after leaving. Brandon Bass was just as productive for 2 other teams, if not better. Rondo upped his game in Sacramento etc etc

OK, I'm going to take it on board Cleveland's offense is not built for Thomas. Doesn't mean can't change things round, he has an expiring contract doesn't he

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Dude you just said above the

Dude you just said above the only reason IT would have a down year was his Hip.. I didn't assume anything.. I replied back to that comment, IT could have a down year not being catered to under Stevens much like Evan Turner struggles in Portland etc etc

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Got it

I got your point about Turner, he wasn't great last year but I didn't think he was amazing in Boston in comparison to his other years in the league. Thomas was great the last 2 years, so im saying he will at least be very good if his hip recovers better than the likes of Jonny Flynn's.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and revisit when he settles into the team

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Evan was a big factor in

Evan was a big factor in Boston, as a backup PG and utility knife.. Playing in Boston under Stevens was a big reason why he got paid.. the year prior to signing in Portland was his most efficient and hes been improving.

Ive been negged to death on this topic but typically when I make statements like this it's because I see something that most are overlooking, IT was literally given the keys to offense but was almost knocked out of the playoffs by Rondos and a very dysfunctional bulls team..

If Derrick Rose can really focus on his health, I absolutely believe he will be the starting PG regardless of ITs health.. Derrick Rose, Love and James are such a great fit..

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