[CavFanPRParticipant]

The cavs have been terrible defending the post and they are looking for upgrades. They just don’t have the pieces to pull off a trade for a quality big man like Timofey Mozgov so they’d have to settle for Kostas Kuofos who isn’t terrible but not a starting caliber big man the cavs are seeking.

In my opinion, they should ride the season out and somehow draft WCS. The cavs will probably pick in the low 20’s and he could be available. He’d look very nice in a cavs uni next to LeBron, Love and Irving.

 

 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

Willie Cauley-Stein will be gone before the 20’s. He is a quality defensive big man with good potential. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

Willie Cauley-Stein will be gone before the 20’s. He is a quality defensive big man with good potential. 

[NickWayne87Participant]

 you seriously believe a atheletic 7ft gazelle like WCS will be avaliable at the end of the first round….you don’t ACTUALLY believe that do you?

[NickWayne87Participant]

 you seriously believe a atheletic 7ft gazelle like WCS will be avaliable at the end of the first round….you don’t ACTUALLY believe that do you?

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

He is going early 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

He is going early 

[Anton123Participant]

The Cavs may get a late lotto pick from Sacramento though

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

They gave it to Chicago so Chicago wouldn’t have to pay the luxury tax last year and Chris Grant could have a beer with Luol Deng.  

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

They gave it to Chicago so Chicago wouldn’t have to pay the luxury tax last year and Chris Grant could have a beer with Luol Deng.  

[Anton123Participant]

The Cavs may get a late lotto pick from Sacramento though

[properbreaksParticipant]

Cauley Stein I think was perfect for the platoon system, but now with Alex gone, I think his stock will drop because they aren’t going to platoon the same way. If you just put him out there for stretches he has almost no choice but to play energetic, and that’s when his defensive prowess she, but he is off and on as far as playing that way the whole game every game.
IF I was to predict, I’d say not lottery, but late teens early 20s.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

Before Poythress went down, WCS was averaging a career high in MPG. Even with the platoon system.
 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

Before Poythress went down, WCS was averaging a career high in MPG. Even with the platoon system.
 

[properbreaksParticipant]

Cauley Stein I think was perfect for the platoon system, but now with Alex gone, I think his stock will drop because they aren’t going to platoon the same way. If you just put him out there for stretches he has almost no choice but to play energetic, and that’s when his defensive prowess she, but he is off and on as far as playing that way the whole game every game.
IF I was to predict, I’d say not lottery, but late teens early 20s.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 DraftExpress came out with updated mock, they have WCS at #4.

 

[BrooklynCeltParticipant]

 Celtics will take WCS if he is available when they pick, probably around pick 9 or 10.  However, the east is so weak they could escape the lottery.

[BrooklynCeltParticipant]

 Celtics will take WCS if he is available when they pick, probably around pick 9 or 10.  However, the east is so weak they could escape the lottery.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 DraftExpress came out with updated mock, they have WCS at #4.

 

[capecodderParticipant]

 I never was overly impressed with WCS until this past weekend…..never saw him play at both ends like he did against No Carolina…..Celtics SHOULD take him

[capecodderParticipant]

 I never was overly impressed with WCS until this past weekend…..never saw him play at both ends like he did against No Carolina…..Celtics SHOULD take him

[eyefortalentParticipant]

 against Texas and NC and he has clearly looked like the best Kentucky player on the floor and am incredibly impressed with his great lateral movement on defense, even to the point where he can defend guards on the perimeter with no problem keeping them in front to him. Even Greg Anthony was gushing about Stein in that respect.

I haven’t seen a whole lot of the other projected lottery picks yet, but he looks like a guy who should go top 10 and wouldn’t be surprised if he lands in the top 5.

 

[eyefortalentParticipant]

 against Texas and NC and he has clearly looked like the best Kentucky player on the floor and am incredibly impressed with his great lateral movement on defense, even to the point where he can defend guards on the perimeter with no problem keeping them in front to him. Even Greg Anthony was gushing about Stein in that respect.

I haven’t seen a whole lot of the other projected lottery picks yet, but he looks like a guy who should go top 10 and wouldn’t be surprised if he lands in the top 5.

 

[The Voice of ReasonParticipant]

I’m more skeptical of Cauley-Stein than most seem to be, and would have a very hard time picking him in the lottery. He’s 21 years old and scoring just over 10 points per game. That’s hard to swallow. I also worry about his scoring because he seems to get a fair amout of it in transition and I doubt that will be availble to him in the NBA. Playing along side Towns allows him to defend more on the perimeter, which allows him to get out in transition. In the NBA he won’t play next to another center which means he will be anchored in the paint on defense which means he won’t score in transition. I don’t think he can be expected to score double digits as a pro and therefore has too low of a ceiling to draft in the lottery.

[AlexBoiiParticipant]

…and assume, Voice of Reason, that you have not seen Andre Drummond or Mason Plumlee games in the NBA and see how they translate to the pro game. Drummond averaged exactly 10ppg, and averaged 7.6rpg and 2.7 bpg in his season and UConn. He is averaging 12ppg and 12 rpg this year, which is actually down from last year. Cauley-Stein is averaging 10.7ppg and 6.7 rpg. His bpg is 1.6 this year, but was at 2.9 bpg last season. The one obvious difference is that Drummond has about 40lb on Cauley-Stein, so Plumlee comes into the picture. Plumlee averaged 7ppg and 6rpg in 22 starts as a rookie. Cauley-Stein should project to match that his rookie season. Plumlee is now up to 10ppg and 8rpg this season in starts. Given what Cauley-Stein has shown this year, there’s no question his potential mimics similar Drummond and to Plumlee, both of which are budding players fresh off appearances in the Olympics.

[The Voice of ReasonParticipant]

The problem with comparing what Drummond did and what Cauley-Stein is doing, is that the two are the same age. Do you think that if Drummond went back to playing in college this season he would only score 10 PPG? I sure don’t. Do you think that if WCS were in the NBA he would be good enough to make team USA? I sure don’t. WCS has little to no offensive skill. What moves does he have? He isn’t much good in the post. He doesn’t have jump shot. He isn’t going to take an NBA defender off the dirbble. How is he going to score in the NBA?

[The Voice of ReasonParticipant]

The problem with comparing what Drummond did and what Cauley-Stein is doing, is that the two are the same age. Do you think that if Drummond went back to playing in college this season he would only score 10 PPG? I sure don’t. Do you think that if WCS were in the NBA he would be good enough to make team USA? I sure don’t. WCS has little to no offensive skill. What moves does he have? He isn’t much good in the post. He doesn’t have jump shot. He isn’t going to take an NBA defender off the dirbble. How is he going to score in the NBA?

[AlexBoiiParticipant]

…and assume, Voice of Reason, that you have not seen Andre Drummond or Mason Plumlee games in the NBA and see how they translate to the pro game. Drummond averaged exactly 10ppg, and averaged 7.6rpg and 2.7 bpg in his season and UConn. He is averaging 12ppg and 12 rpg this year, which is actually down from last year. Cauley-Stein is averaging 10.7ppg and 6.7 rpg. His bpg is 1.6 this year, but was at 2.9 bpg last season. The one obvious difference is that Drummond has about 40lb on Cauley-Stein, so Plumlee comes into the picture. Plumlee averaged 7ppg and 6rpg in 22 starts as a rookie. Cauley-Stein should project to match that his rookie season. Plumlee is now up to 10ppg and 8rpg this season in starts. Given what Cauley-Stein has shown this year, there’s no question his potential mimics similar Drummond and to Plumlee, both of which are budding players fresh off appearances in the Olympics.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 If he gets drafted in the lottery it won’t be because of anything he does on the offensive end. Big men with the speed and athleticsm to defend the pick and roll and protect the rim are extremely valuable with the way the game is played nowadays. Why else do you think a guy like DeAndre Jordan, who contributes next to nothing offensively, earns the amount he does. I don’t ever really see him being a guy who scores much, except for on dunks and putbacks, but his defensive potential will be too hard to pass up for a team with those specific needs. I would estimate he goes top 10.

[The Voice of ReasonParticipant]

I agree 100% that he is all defense, but that’s my original point. I wouldn’t take a guy in the lottery if he only contributes on defense. If he turns into DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler he is certainly worth a top ten pick, probably top five. I just doubt it will happen. How many players significatly help their team without making some sort of impact on offense? I can only think of the two mentioned above and maybe someday Noel. The only way he can justify a top ten pick is if he becomes a consistant defensive player of the year canidate and that is a lot to ask of a player. People often talk about a players ceiling, but very few players, or people for that matter, reach 100% of their potential. If Okafor hits 75% of his potential he will still be able to score inside. If Cauley-Stein hits 80% of his potential he’s riding the pine. For every DeAndre Jordan there are a whole lot of Fab Melos and Bismack Biyombos and Hasheem Thabeets. If a player is one dimensional the margin of error is very small.

[The Voice of ReasonParticipant]

I agree 100% that he is all defense, but that’s my original point. I wouldn’t take a guy in the lottery if he only contributes on defense. If he turns into DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler he is certainly worth a top ten pick, probably top five. I just doubt it will happen. How many players significatly help their team without making some sort of impact on offense? I can only think of the two mentioned above and maybe someday Noel. The only way he can justify a top ten pick is if he becomes a consistant defensive player of the year canidate and that is a lot to ask of a player. People often talk about a players ceiling, but very few players, or people for that matter, reach 100% of their potential. If Okafor hits 75% of his potential he will still be able to score inside. If Cauley-Stein hits 80% of his potential he’s riding the pine. For every DeAndre Jordan there are a whole lot of Fab Melos and Bismack Biyombos and Hasheem Thabeets. If a player is one dimensional the margin of error is very small.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 If he gets drafted in the lottery it won’t be because of anything he does on the offensive end. Big men with the speed and athleticsm to defend the pick and roll and protect the rim are extremely valuable with the way the game is played nowadays. Why else do you think a guy like DeAndre Jordan, who contributes next to nothing offensively, earns the amount he does. I don’t ever really see him being a guy who scores much, except for on dunks and putbacks, but his defensive potential will be too hard to pass up for a team with those specific needs. I would estimate he goes top 10.

[The Voice of ReasonParticipant]

I’m more skeptical of Cauley-Stein than most seem to be, and would have a very hard time picking him in the lottery. He’s 21 years old and scoring just over 10 points per game. That’s hard to swallow. I also worry about his scoring because he seems to get a fair amout of it in transition and I doubt that will be availble to him in the NBA. Playing along side Towns allows him to defend more on the perimeter, which allows him to get out in transition. In the NBA he won’t play next to another center which means he will be anchored in the paint on defense which means he won’t score in transition. I don’t think he can be expected to score double digits as a pro and therefore has too low of a ceiling to draft in the lottery.

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Celtics will be very interesting to watch in next year’s draft to see what they do. WCS would make sense for them if they could accomodate him around Zeller, Sullinger and Olynk. 

The ironic thing is that the Cavs gave up Zeller when it would have made much more sense not to have taken up Varejao’s player option and they could have got another couple of veteran’s in with the money saved.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Celtics will be very interesting to watch in next year’s draft to see what they do. WCS would make sense for them if they could accomodate him around Zeller, Sullinger and Olynk. 

The ironic thing is that the Cavs gave up Zeller when it would have made much more sense not to have taken up Varejao’s player option and they could have got another couple of veteran’s in with the money saved.

 

[BrooklynCeltParticipant]

 Celtics in serious need of a rim protector.  Best case scenario for them is if Turner or WCS is available when they pick.  Another option for them is to sign Hibbert as free agent. He has a player option out and unlikely he wants to stay in Indiana.  If they think they can sign Hibbert they can go for best guard/forward shooter available in the draft.  A starting lineup of Hibbert, Green, Sullinger, Rondo, Bradley with Olynyk and Smart as reserves would be pretty good.

[BrooklynCeltParticipant]

 Celtics in serious need of a rim protector.  Best case scenario for them is if Turner or WCS is available when they pick.  Another option for them is to sign Hibbert as free agent. He has a player option out and unlikely he wants to stay in Indiana.  If they think they can sign Hibbert they can go for best guard/forward shooter available in the draft.  A starting lineup of Hibbert, Green, Sullinger, Rondo, Bradley with Olynyk and Smart as reserves would be pretty good.

[BrooklynCeltParticipant]

 Celtics in serious need of a rim protector.  Best case scenario for them is if Turner or WCS is available when they pick.  Another option for them is to sign Hibbert as free agent. He has a player option out and unlikely he wants to stay in Indiana.  If they think they can sign Hibbert they can go for best guard/forward shooter available in the draft.  A starting lineup of Hibbert, Green, Sullinger, Rondo, Bradley with Olynyk and Smart as reserves would be pretty good.

[BrooklynCeltParticipant]

 Celtics in serious need of a rim protector.  Best case scenario for them is if Turner or WCS is available when they pick.  Another option for them is to sign Hibbert as free agent. He has a player option out and unlikely he wants to stay in Indiana.  If they think they can sign Hibbert they can go for best guard/forward shooter available in the draft.  A starting lineup of Hibbert, Green, Sullinger, Rondo, Bradley with Olynyk and Smart as reserves would be pretty good.

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