CJ for Noel and Unprotected 1st
Kevin O'Connor on the website the ringer suggests this trade. - Solid for both sides.
It would be tough to give up that first round pick, but Embid is so good the 76ers don't need another Rookie on the team. They need a beast of a scorer who is already in the league and can do it form day one. Hence CJ who is deadly from 3. I think it would vastly improve the 76ers. The 76ers would simply need a Guard who is a really good defender and then WOW. Not to mention Simmons needs shooters around him aswell. The Blazers could trade the pick if they wanted to get a different player to help themselves quicker too.
"Noel makes a ton of sense; he is a gifted shot blocker who’s also capable of switching onto the perimeter, and he’s only 22 years old. Plus, Noel is a restricted free agent this summer, so the Blazers would have the ability to match any offer sheet he’s given. It’s easy to think of potential deals, too. A reasonable offer could include guard Allen Crabbe and a first-round pick for Noel. That’d be a smart deal for the Blazers, but I’d decline if I were the Sixers. There’s nothing stopping them from holding onto Noel; he’s reentered the rotation and excelled over the last five games at the expense of Jahlil Okafor, who has been benched for the last two games due to coach’s decision. Conventional thinking suggest the Sixers are showcasing Noel for a trade, but maybe they’re actually seeing what they have in him; the promise of having both Joel Embiid and Noel to enforce the paint for all 48 minutes must be intoxicating. The Sixers shouldn’t deal Noel unless they get back a player who can shoot the lights out (like Crabbe)and run some point. There’s no rush to fill this role since the draft is filled with point guards, but they need to think about the type of point guard that will be an ideal fit next to Ben Simmons, and it’s probably a lot easier to find players like Crabbe to fill a sharpshooting role..
The Lillard-McCollum core can be great, but it may never be great enough. The Blazers should learn from history: If the goal is a title or multiple titles, then tough, possibly unpopular decisions will need to be made to facilitate that leap. The most underrated move the Warriors ever made was swapping Monta Ellis for Bogut. McCollum is better than Ellis ever was, but trading him as part of a deal for a rim protector should still be a potential option. Dealing your second-best player is tough for any team, especially when Portland just signed McCollum to a long-term extension. The optics of a move now (before the extension even kicks in!) would suggest they’re an organization without a clear plan. Plus, a trade is almost technically impossible this season because of the poison pill provision in his contract. The Sixers are one of the few teams that could even make it work financially (along with the Nets and Nuggets), and perhaps the only compatible team in terms of assets (sorry, Brooklyn).
If Bryan Colangelo is finally ready to cash in on Sam Hinkie’s assets, trading for McCollum would make sense. Here’s an idea to mull over: The Blazers send McCollum to the Sixers for Noel, the Sixers’ unprotected 2017 first, the Kings’ unprotected 2019 first, and multiple second-round picks. There would be financial kinks to work out because of the poison pill, but that would be the base offer. If you’re a Blazers fan, your first reaction is probably to click out of this article, but wait! A trade of this magnitude accomplishes two big things: In Noel they would have a young, elite rim protector who fits on both ends, andit would provide Portland general manager Neil Olshey with the flexibility to retool in a way more conducive to title hunting. The Blazers would probably say goodbye to the playoffs — as bad as Lillard and McCollum are together on D, the Blazers are even worse on defense when Lillard is on the floor withoutMcCollum — but that’s kind of the point here. With three first-round picks in a stellar 2017 draft, Olshey would have tons of ammo to put them in the conversation for superstar trades. If they kept those picks, they could find players that are better fits alongside Lillard, like Washington combo-guard Markelle Fultz or Duke forward Jayson Tatum.
It would be a difficult deal for Philly to make, but McCollum is exactly what the Sixers should look for to pair with Simmons, who will be the de facto point guard, anyway. McCollum is an outstanding shooter, hitting over 40 percent of his spot-up 3s for four consecutive seasons, per SportVU. When the ball is in his hands, his fast-twitch movements allow him to create space for his lethal pull-up jumper. Plus, when Lillard is out, he’s capable of much more as a lead creator. In 11 games without Lillard, McCollum averages 28.4 points, 5.6 assists, and 4.9 rebounds, which are pretty rare numbers (via StatMuse). A core of McCollum, Embiid, Simmons, and Dario Saric would set them up for a long run of potential success with four dynamic players all 25 or younger. With cap space and assets, Philadelphia would soon become a free-agent destination, too. Transactions involving stars are always the most difficult to make, but sometimes they can be the right one."
When I read the initial post title, I wasn't keen on the idea but the more I think about it the more I like it. Portland could retain Noel and will get a good pick out of it which might be very good. Philly get a proven scorer who is also an excellent shooter, he slots in alongside Ben Simmons eventually. Immediately helps spread the play which would benefit Embeast at once.
My one query would be might Philly look to cash in on Okafor instead and could Portland prefer the Oak's rookie salary compared to what they would have to pay Noel even if they do move McCollum's upcoming salary hike.
Also would Philly trade away a pick at this stage of the season, I'd think they might wait to see where the picks end up in case they miss out on a top level talent, they have the Lakers pick due plus another couple first rounders, they own all their first rounders going forward so would still have great firepower to put a very good deal to Portland.
issue is his salary, if he wasn't getting paid 129 then I would be more open to it, but when yo could get a talent equal to his level or higher on a rookie deal then why do it? By the way I really, really like CJ I actually once compared him to steph coming out of college.
CJ's deal is 4yrs/$106 mil. I think Dame got the $139 mil deal
still big money though feel me? When our pick could get you fultz, smith Jackson who could all be bettter and cheaper for now and allows you to max out on Simmons and embid and pay another free agent, feel me?
Yeah I'm with you on that. I'm all for keeping their picks, drafting 2 guards or a PG and a wing and throwing some good but not insane $ at a second-tier vet free agent (Gallo type).
People forget CJ has broken the same foot twice already too.
I think those guys could possibilly be better than CJ. But CJ is such a good fit. None of the guys in the draft might be as good a pure 3pt shooter. Plus they might have to wait a year or two for a guy from the draft to develop. CJ can give that immediate impact exactly where they are going to need it when Simmons returns. It could do wonders for the team chemistry.
Team chemistry right now probably can only be altered negatively unless Okafor is gone. Since his benching the team looks ostensibly happier and the chemistry is palpable. Mc Collum fir Noel would be negative on that point.
He is a fit though as a significant upgrade over Stauskas.
So the Sixers send Noel, their 2017 pick, the Lakers 2017 pick and a 2nd for McCollum? Sorry I wouldn't do it. Rather take Dennis Smith with one of those picks and hope he's as good a advertised.
Just the Sixers pick. They still keep the Lakers pick. Add another talented rookie with that pick.
This is a great draft class. You should be able to get C.J. with just a lotto pick.
I would take CJ over every player in the draft but Fultz. I like Dennis Smith but I can't guarantee he will be better than McCollum. No way Lonzo Ball scores 25 a night in the NBA. Scoring is what the Sixers need. Embiid, Simmons, McCollum sounds good to me. Switch out McCollum with one of these prospects and you are rolling the dice. Add a wing in free agency cause you'll be like 50 million under the cap and the young core gets a taste of the playoffs next year.
has broken the same foot twice, and yes maybe he may be better than all the prospects in this class, but he's not better than that player+noel+another high 1st round pick, plus second rounders plus his huge contract. Also, your young core could win a chip next year with its top pick and a healthy simmons next year. Not to mention you didn't mention smith, or Jackson who could each average a dub eventually in the league .Ball wouldn't even be someone we are looking at.
Just read an article where package of the same level or lower were said to be what nets you Jimmy Butler (Jaylen Brown +nets pick vs. Noel +76ers pick+ later pick).
It is way too much for CJ. As mentionned by many here CJ has suffered several foot injuries and setbacks, is not set up to earn a good contract, and raises a lot of questions with his defense in particular.
It's also imo better for the sixers not to trade for veterans who are established stars, these guys could very well come and destroy the core chemistry you are building with young guys especially Embiid (and possibly Simmons) as the franchise player. You easily end up in a Dwight Howard situation (pick up where) where your new guy does not accept to be relegated to the number nth player and not the star.
Seeing how well the team is playing with Noel getting significant minutes I see the Colangelos eventually decide to keep Noel around. He seems to be the better fit, the better player and the better insurance policy to Embiid's durability concerns. If no concrete great offers/solutions comes up with a Noel trade, an Okafor trade, or just an Okafor for moving up a spot or two in the draft is believable.
If I were sixers I'd keep noel for now and focus on looking to deal okafor instead. This draft is extremely guard heavy and the sixers will likely have 2 picks in the top 10. I'd experiment with playing noel and embiid together to see if they can coexist. I'm much more optimistic about that pairing than okafor-embiid. If you can play noel and embiid together for stretches, and than use noel as a backup when embiid sits, it might be worth keeping him around. Also, you have to remember that there is still no guarantee that embiid stays healthy so noel wouldn't be a bad insurance policy.
If your Portland, I think you hold off too. I know they need rim protection, but noel is still too unproven at this point to give up a player of mccollums caliber imo. If philly would go for a deal involving crabbe, they'd probably be wise to pull the trigger, but they have a chance to have a really special backcourt tandem for a long time in lillard-mccollum and I'd be very hesitant to break that up for unknown commodities.
What kind of contract are we looking at with Nerlens. Does he get $20 mil/per?..$25? I gotta think he gets a $100 million deal with this new cap.
A lot less imo. More like Mahinmi money at 64M$/4years. He is not a clear cut NBA starter talent in the open market, a very good rim protector with question marks about his attitude with what has happened at the beginning of the year, and his actual level/play value when B.Brown being seemingly this much convinced he was the 3rd man at the position. Based on what Woj seemed to say a month ago in his podcast, teams don't want Noel right now, he seems more like a bet than anything. With all the contracts last year looking so stupid right now, do you really think any team will spend stupid amount on Noel with his character reputation and all? You could get the end of a bad Tyson Chandler contract and receive assets for your effort if you are so much willing to pay the price to have a decent center.
Okafor,Nik S,Gerald Henderson,The Lakers pick this year and 2x future pick top 3 protected picks,
for Jimmy Butler and maybe rondo or a bad contract(Like D-wade maybe)..
Bulls do this to go full rebuild and 76ers do this to finish their rebuild off..
I would use this years Sixer pick on Futlz(top 3 pick) or Jayson Tatum(top 5 pick)
I would Reup Noel(if he is a better fit for the Coach and Team) at a reasonable price.
Then you have a team of the following:
Embiid,Saric/Ersan,Jimmy B or Tatum,Futlz or Jimmy B and Ben Simmons
Bench: Ersan or Saric,Noel then you go after Jrue Holiday,J.J reddick and either a Sf or PF and you are looking good for the future.
I know it probably won't happen but this better than taking the C.J deal as he has more left on it and as said above the injury history is a little worrying vs Butler who is on a cheaper deal and further through if things don't work out..
You guys are getting too caught up with his injured past. He played 80 games last year and balled out. He has played in every game this year. George Hill, Brad Beal, John Wall, Derrick Rose, Damion Lillard have all missed time in the last two years.
Lots of folks on this site were super high on Jamal Murray, that is the reason why I take the known commodity. Murray can't get minutes on bad team. Can't get an easy shot up either. Maybe the Sixers win another 15-20 games and end up with a guy like Monk in the draft...I would rather have CJ now.
At this point he reminds me of a peak Dana Barros. Or a rich man's Jeff Malone.
What the Sixers need are guys that can catch the ball and shoot the ball. They don't need more guys who need the offense ran through them ... Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid need the ball in their hands everytime down the court and a third wheel is only going to clog that up. They need guys that can finish plays and spread the court and open things up for Embiid.
I'm a huge fan of CJ, but I'm not sure it's a good fit.
I think they should hold onto their picks and draft Malik Monk, who has a chance to be a tremendous catch-and-shoot guy in the NBA, and go from there. I've been saying for a while now that the 76ers need to find a PG and a SG that can consistently knock down 3s and that needs to be their focus to take the team to the next level.
Are taking for granted how good McCollum is and how uncertain the NBA draft is. I agree with holefillers that outside maybe Fultz I would take McCollum over the draft pick and the Sixers aren't getting the number one pick and considering they're 7-7 in their last 14 and Simmons should come back soon, they might not even get a top 5 pick. If they could trade Noel and the pick for McCollum that would be an epic trade. I'd rather get rid of Okafor and keep Noelas a backup center but I don't know if Noel would be willing to do that and it sounds like some desperate team would be willing to give him an Allen Crabbe contract to be a starter so he would just jump ship.
With the draft, could Dennis Smith Jr, Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum or one or two other guys be better than McCollum? Sure. But you don't know if they will ever become all stars. We already know what CJ is. A star.
If injury concern is your biggest reason for not making this trade, then you need to go ahead and pull the trigger. Curry has had injury problems and look at him now. Looks good to me. Meanwhile this guy is coming off of a Most Improved Player of the year award and is shooting damn near 50/40/90 this year while averaging 24ppg. I dont know what else you want from a SG for the sixers but this is a no-brainer.
Agreed. You need a second scorer and CJ can shoot all day as well. Inside with Embiid, outside with McCollum, Simmons orchestrating the whole thing. Add a veteran wing in FA...Done and done.