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Chris Bosh.....Options & Possible Trade

Chris bosh might be the biggest name out there.......he had announced he will not sign a contract extension and will test the free agent market.... now that the raptors know that chris bosh will probably not be back next season what should they do?? should they trade for younger talent....or should they keep him for the remainder of his contract and "TRY" sign him in free agency .

i think they should trade

Tor - Chris Bosh
Tor- Will Solomon
Tor-Jason kapono

for

NYK - David Lee
NYK - Nate Robinson
NYK-8th pick

Just An idea .....what you think ??


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That's a lot to give up for

That's a lot to give up for Chris Bosh.

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Kapono cant get traded

Hes already traded to the 76ers for Reggie Evans

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that is a bit hefty for bosh i would say too.. i would assume numerous teams will be interested in bosh so the raptors may be able to find a deal worth executing in this situation

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come on auber do u even watch basketball!!

come on auber do u even watch basketball!! that is crazy. u might as well trade bosh for nothing! d. lee is a guy who like s. marion is a produce of a system that allows him to put up some good looking (that don't lead to wins) numbers. Chris bosh could be the second option on a championship team ala pau gasol... where as d. lee and n. robinson are bench players at best on a title team. come on lets be better than that the knicks don't have anyone to make a trade for c. bosh

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Yeah, the Raptors are losing

Yeah, the Raptors are losing too much.

Raptors: David Lee, Travis Outlaw, 8th pick, 24th pick

Knicks: Chris Bosh, Sergio Rodriguez

Portland: 9th pick, Joey Graham, Jason Kapono

I was just throwing in names to make it kind of even.

Rapotrs move up, although only a pick but get two good players and a late first rounder. Knicks get Bosh and a pg for their system. Portland moves into the lottery like they wanted, while getting another shooter and a solid role player off the bench,

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Yes I watch basketball, but

Yes I watch basketball, but trading for David lee, Nate Robinson, and the 8 doesn't make much sense to me.

In my mind David lee is a tier down from Chris Bosh, but he's probably be one of the only guys in this league that wouldn't mind playing above the border. Your trading and signing Nate Robinson to be a 6th man and getting the 8th pick. Chris Bpsh is a legit NBA Superstar where as David lee is a great complementary Big Man.

From a Knicks stand point I wouldn't do it, but their desperately recreating this team so who knows with them.

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well i see where every1 is

well i see where every1 is coming from but colangelo is going to keep bosh, and lee is a great big man he averaged a double double but bosh is just a different player. but i would like to see robinson as 6th man.

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I like the

I like the Raptors/Blazers/Knicks trade but in the end the Knicks only give up Lee and the 8th pick for Bosh and Rodriguez. It seems like they should give up another player.

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Raptors-Bulls-Hornets

This would be a wondeful deal for team involved.

3-Team Trade:

To Raptors: David West, Luol Deng and a 1st Round pick (Hornets)
To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Jason Kapono and Julian Wright
To Hornets: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas (from Louisiana)

It works for all teams involved. The Raptors get strong replacements for Bosh and most likely Marion, but more importantly they are signed long-term (West is 4 years and Deng is 6 years). The Bulls finally get that ELITE BIG-MAN they have been looking for to play with Rose and they add some more bench depth. The Hornets get an upgrade at SG as Paul and Gordon would form one of the best backcourts in the NBA. They also add more defense in the front-court just in case they trade off Chandler too.

I really can't see Bosh signing an extention and Chicago seems to be a perfect team and market for him. The Hornets need to cut some salary and upgrade their roster. The Raptors keep losing guys to free-agency (Carter, McGrady, Stoudemire, etc.), so getting guys under long-term contracts couldn't hurt.

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PITTBulls, you HAVE to try to email this to the Bulls, Chicago Tribune/Sun Times, and Sam Smith.

Blanket them with emails with this trade, I have asked many people about this trade and everyones is loving it - fans from all three teams I have spoken to have approved of this as being fair to everyone.

I have already mentioned that this trade was made by you and you deserve the credit for coming up with this. Please, email everyone in the Chicago market you can with this - this can have a real possibility of happening.

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I don't know if Ben Gordon would do this

Ben Gordon cannot be traded for a pick in the 2009 draft. The draft is June 25, free agency is July 1. I don't know why he would involve the Bulls in anything as far as a sign and trade unless it is the EXACT place that he wants to play and that team is over the cap (which would be the case with New Orleans). Now, if the draft pick that PITTBulls is including is a 2010 pick and Gordon REALLY wants to play for the Hornets this could work. I know that you are using Kirk Hinrich to replace Ben Gordon's salary, but we don't know what his new salary is going to be. He doesn't have a contract anymore. He signed the 1 year qualifying offer last year as a Restricted Free Agent.

I don't see how getting in touch with Sam Smith will make any difference. Trust me, if it did I would be ALL for it. To exchange Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas for not only Bosh but one of the best outside shooters in Kapono is sweet and I always liked Julian Wright, although he hasn't done anything. Maybe coming home to Chicago (Homewood-Flossmoor grad, 2005) will allow him to focus on regaining his basketball form.

I really like how you gave the Raptors 2 guys who aren't BIG name guys but are both low level all-star talents (not to downplay what West has done but I think he might be more of a product of Chris Paul) that have long contracts. John Paxson likes Deng, but as he showed with Tyson Chandler (and Ben Wallace) he is quick to ship out a guy who underperforms with a long contract.

So, if the following scenario presents itself:

1. I guess that the Hornets have to want to sign Ben Gordon, the draft pick from New Orleans MUST be a 2010 pick (under rules of the CBA), this would be a possibility

2. Ben Gordon's choice of team MUST be the Charlotte Hornets because I am pretty sure he is an Unrestricted Free Agent. This means that come July 1, 2009 he no longer has anything to do with the Chicago Bulls organization.

I like the idea but I don't understand how getting Sam Smith involved would make a difference. I have a really good contact at the Chicago Tribune's sports department too, but the guy who you should get in touch with is Ben Gordon. He is the person who will make this all work.

I mean, am I crazy or is Ben Gordon not an unrestricted FA? I don't think that come July 1, 2009 he has ANYTHING to do with the Bulls roster. Does someone know something that I don't (about Ben Gordon's contract that is, there isn't enough room on the internet for EVERYTHING I don't know)?

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?

Is Chris Bosh really able to sign as free agent this year?

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jus wanna say

they didnt lose Carter from Free-agency....he was traded away for nobody.......Stoudemire got traded too....thats how the Raps got Alvin WIlliams.....T-Mac was the one that tested the free agency market, and went to Orlando.....

here's the thing....Bosh jus rejected the idea of an extension to his current contract.....that doesn't mean he is leavin the Raps......D-Wade's gonna do that....LeBron is gonna do that.....that doesnt mean they are leavin either.....that means they are smart enough to realize that if they test out the free agency market in 2010, they'll get a better contract....rather than jus extending their current contract and makin like a mil more..........the Raps are still the team that could offer Bosh the most in 2010......and so it is most likely that the Raps will be able to re-sign him to almost 21mil a season.....and btw, to all of y'all who think its gonna be Bosh and LeBron in NY, thats not gonna happen.......mayb jus LeBron.....reason being only way NY could do that is if they sign Bosh for less.....and he isn't willin to do that....he jus said he's as equally valuable as D-Wade or LeBron to a team.....so he can't be signed for less, even if it means playin with someone like LeBron......

and yea i like that trade PITTbulls....it jus seems like the Bulls are givin up a whole lot for jus Bosh....but i think it could work out.....

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WIll Solomon

Will Solomon was waived during the season and was picked up Sacramento Kings and was waived by them. This is to the BasketballGuru24's first post.

And Basketball Guru your trade isn't that appealing to the New York Knicks.... Kapono and Solomon are not worth Robinson and the 8th pick.

Both the Portland-New York-Toronto trade looks really good and so does the New Orleans-Chicago-Toronto trade. I would definitely prefer the the New Orleans-Chicago-Toronto one though.

And I agree with Kamikaze, just cause Bosh said he is going to test the free agency market does not mean he is going to leave the Raptors. I guess if the Raptors can turn around their season or offer a lot of money then maybe Bosh will stay. But if we can get better talent then CB4 I say we go for it.

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IMO, this Bosh proposal is

IMO, this Bosh proposal is much better for all teams than the ones proposed on this thread:

Toronto gets: #2 pick (Rubio), Darko Milicic's expiring conract, Mark Blount's expiring, Dorell Wright, Miami's 2009 2nd round pick

Miami gets: Chris Bosh (extended)

Memphis gets: Michael Beasley

Toronto gets a great return for Bosh in Rubio, two fat expiring contracts, a 2nd round pick, and a SF who can contribute a bit in Wright. They lose Bosh but they definately don't lose him for nothing.

Miami gets a superstar PF to put with Wade, which will make him happy for 2010 and likely get him to sign an extension. They will immediately become championship contenders with Bosh.

Memphis gets their PF of the future with Beasley and fortifies their starting lineup (Conley, Mayo, Gay, Beasley, Gasol) for the future. Instead of taking a bum like Thabust, they cash in with that pick by acquiring Beasley.

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better trade

CHI gets: Bosh, Carney, Telfair, Madsen

TOR gets: Deng, T. Thomas, CHI's 1st round pick

MIN gets: Hinrich

Bosh is a perfect fit for Chicago's system, gives them a scoring option from inside & out...also gives them the $ to sign Ben Gordon long term.
Starting 5(Rose, Gordon, Salmons, Bosh, Noah)

Deng gives Toronto the long 3-man that they love, so they can use their draft picks on a SG(Evans, Derozan, Ellington), & a backup PG.
Starting 5(Calderon, draft pick, Deng, Thomas, Bargnani)

Minnesota has been in love with Hinrich for years, now they get the PG they've wanted, and Foye can play SG full-time.
Starting 5(Hinrich, Foye, Gomes, Love, Jefferson)

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PITTBulls's trade is the

PITTBulls's trade is the best in this forum .

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Thanks again.

I fed the trade through the TM and here's the analysis. Now, keep in mind I had to use Hinrich for Gordon because of BG7's free agency status. If you exchange those two and give a 1st Round Pick to Toronto, I have to believe that trade rates out as +4, even, +3, at least.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=phskfv

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better trade...it's NOT really

I tried to punch in Bosh, Telfair, Madsen, and Carney to the Bulls and it can't be done. I decided to use Bosh, Telfair and Cardinal instead.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rxecrc

It still rates out pretty good for the Bulls (+2) and T-Wolves (+1), but not as good for the Raptors (-6). I have to say the other trade idea is still better, although Kirk Hinrich is rumored to be going to the T-Wolves, so you never know.

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R-Dot, velazquez and others

If you like that Raptors, Bulls and Hornets trade, feel free to copy it and send it in too the local newspapers (sports divisions) of Toronto, Chicago and New Orleans. I have already done so myself.

Thanks again for liking the idea. It could happen, you never know!!!

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Proposals for the Raptors

Here are three proposals which I think could work out:

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- sign Marcin Gortat to a 3 year, $10 million contract
- sign Jamal Magloire to a contract which gives him around $750,000 a season
- sign Trevor Ariza to a 6 year, $50 million contract
- sign Grant Hill to a 2 year, $4.5 million contract
- sign Carlos Delfino to a contract which gives him $3 million a season
- sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a contract which gives him just over $1 million a season
- Waive Marcus Banks and Nathan Jawai
- Do a trade where:
New York gets: Jason Kapono, Roko Ukic
Toronto gets: Chris Duhon and 2010 second round draft pick
- Do a trade where:
Charlotte gets: Anthony Parker
Toronto gets: Raja Bell
- Do a trade where:
Minnesota gets: Kris Humphries
Toronto gets: 28th pick of the 2009 draft (where they pick DaJuan Summers)
- at the 9th pick in this year’s draft, they should pick Earl Clark (since I doubt Derozen will be there at 9……also no point of draftin Tyreke in this situation, considering Raja Bell and Carlos Delfino already play the SG……Tyreke is a starter and needs mins…..in the 2 years that Grant Hill is signed with the Raps, he can make Earl Clark a more polished player)

Proposal #1:

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Jamaal Magloire / (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Chris Bosh / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Trevor Ariza / Grant Hill / Earl Clark
*Raja Bell / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Chris Duhon / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

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2.

- sign Marcin Gortat to a 3 year, $10 million contract
- sign Jamal Magloire to a contract which gives him around $750,000 a season
- sign Grant Hill to a 2 year, $4.5 million contract
- sign Carlos Delfino to a contract which gives him $3 million a season
- sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a contract which gives him just over $1 million a season
- Waive Marcus Banks and Nathan Jawai
- Do a trade where:
New York gets: Jason Kapono, Roko Ukic
Toronto gets: Chris Duhon and 2010 second round draft pick
- Do a trade where:
Charlotte gets: Anthony Parker
Toronto gets: Raja Bell
- Do a trade where:
Washington gets: Shawn Marion, #9 Pick in the 2009 draft
Toronto gets: Caron Butler, #32 in the 2009 draft (where they pick Josh Heytvelt)
- Do a trade where:
Minnesota gets: Kris Humphries
Toronto gets: 28th pick of the 2009 draft (where they pick DaJuan Summers)

Proposal #2:

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Jamaal Magloire / (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Chris Bosh / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Caron Butler / Grant Hill / DaJuan Summers
*Raja Bell / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Chris Duhon / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

side notes:

- let's imagine Lamar Odom gets signed by the Lakers for much less than anyone expected and hence, they are able to resign Trevor Ariza…. then the first proposal wouldn't work….also, most likely Ariza can't be signed by another team (Lakers have been known to go over-cap)

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3.

- sign Marcin Gortat to a 3 year, $10 million contract
- sign Jamal Magloire to a contract which gives him around $750,000 a season
- sign Shawn Marion to a 4 year, $32 million contract
- sign Carlos Delfino to a contract which gives him $3 million a season
- sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a contract which gives him just over $1 million a season
- Waive Marcus Banks and Nathan Jawai
- Do a trade where:
New York gets: Anthony Parker, Roko Ukic
Toronto gets: Chris Duhon and 2010 second round draft pick
- Do a trade where:
Toronto gets: David West, Luol Deng and the 21st Pick (from Hornets, where they pick Terrence Williams)
Chicago gets: Chris Bosh, Jason Kapono and Julian Wright
New Orleans gets: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas
- Do a trade where:
Minnesota gets: Kris Humphries
Toronto gets: 28th pick of the 2009 draft (where they pick Josh Heytvelt)
- at the 9th pick in this year’s draft, they should pick Tyreke Evans (should be the best possible player available at #9……is the best SG after Harden….i don’t consider Derozen an SG and Stephon Curry wants to play point…..in this situation, the Raps need a starter at the SG and Tyreke Evans would fit that role….very similar to Jamal Crawford’s style of play…..a better version of Randy Foye……Evans is a great scorer…..can rack up a ton of points (like he did in the NCAA)…..he needs to work on his jump shot and 3pt % figures this summa….and I think he’ll improve….i find it interesting that Foye was dealing with the same issues when he was getting drafted…..but now his 3pt figures are 37%)

Proposal #3:

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Jamaal Magloire / (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*David West / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Shawn Marion / Luol Deng / Terrence Williams
*Tyreke Evans / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Chris Duhon / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

Side Notes:

- Chris Bosh jus said that he wont sign an extension with the Raptors…..it really doesn’t mean that Bosh will leave the Raps in 2010….it jus means he is going to test out the free agency market and look at the best possible offer…..and financially, the Raps can give the best offer…..however very recently, according to inside sources, it seems the Raptors management are getting worried….they believe there is a good chance Bosh will leave…..therefore, the Raps are trying to work out a deal with Utah where they can get Boozer in exchange for Bosh…..however, Boozer has recently said that he’ll opt out of his contract with Utah and that he wants to play for Detroit or New Jersey (and it is really looking like Detroit is going to get him)…..another offer the Raptors have going for them is with Chicago, where they’ll offer Luol Deng to get Bosh……however, the Raps will ask for more than Deng and so thats why I think this three-way deal will work……New Orleans are really deep into their salary cap…..this trade relieves some cap space…with this trade, they have an amazing backcourt and a young, upcoming PF in Thomas….Chicago gets Bosh and therefore an all-star to play alongside Rose……Toronto gets a solid wing-player in Luol Deng (could even play a 6th man role)….and David West can replace Bosh…..also both players are signed to long-term contracts….

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- out of these 3 proposals, I think the third one is the best and the most realistic….the first one is the least likely to happen since I doubt the Raps can grab Ariza away from the Lakers……but any of these three proposals are better than what the Raps have going right now…..

- i see Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Toronto, Atlanta, Washington, Detroit, and Chicago in the playoffs nex season....with any of these proposals, they are in the elite four or perhaps 2 in the East.....depending on how well the Raps play to their potential... but honestly, i see these 3 proposals as the best options for Toronto.....

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Emails are out on the Raptors-Bulls-Hornets Trade

Just letting you guys know that I contacted Sam Smith and the city papers to try to circulate the idea. Let's hope it works.

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Nowitzki to the Bulls...Bosh to the Mavs?

4 Team Trade:

To Bulls - Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kapono, Patrick O'Bryant and Julian Wright
To Raptors - David West, Luol Deng and a 1st Round Pick
To Mavs - Chris Bosh and Tim Thomas
To Hornets - Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nmz2gb
* I used Kirk Hinrich for Ben Gordon

It looks and rates out pretty good. The Bulls get a top notch PF in Nowitzki, the Raptors get solid replacements for Bosh and Marion, Bosh goes home to Dallas, and the Hornets form a lethal backcourt and get a hometown boy in Thomas.

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PITT

Cuban has said he has no intentions of trading Dirk.

I'm going to email the other Bulls proposal to Smith and KC Johnson as well - Sam Smith has a man-crush on Gordon though, so who knows his reaction. As long one of our letters gets published then this trade rumor can get some traction.

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Kapono sucks and is overpaid

Kapono sucks and is overpaid

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Sam Smith and others

Email Sam Smith and others to tell him that the 3 team trade involving the Bulls, Raptors and Hornets makes sense. Get all your friends to do it too.

I got a reaction from him already. He feels that the Hornets get snubbed because they don't get an All-Star in return, but I told him they get an upgrade at SG and a hometown boy at PF. It still looks good to me!!!

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PITTBulls

my trade actually would work...EPSN.com's trade machine is going off last years salaries, and there is no way the Raptors would be -6, thats not factoring in the draft picks, free agents etc. I like your trade very much, its just if the Bulls gave up Gordon and Deng and got no starting worthy SG or SF back in return they wouldn't be nearly as good!!!
with mine they keep Gordon, so they have the same team they had in this years playoffs + Bosh, that's a team capable of reaching the Eastern Conference finals!!!
what do u think?

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about 2 earlier proposals

about lilijkwon1's proposal:

first of all, Madsen is useless.....and Telfair, he was inconsistent.....so its really Bosh and Carney they are gettin....here is the flaw in your trade.....Toronto won't like it......first of all, they are giving up Bosh and gettin only Deng and Thomas in return....they'll want more.......when they give up Bosh, their PF position is weak (used to be Bosh and Humphries....only reason it was strong was cuz of Bosh).....Thomas is a downgrade....so if they wanna give up Bosh for Thomas, they'll want more than Deng....why not add Gordon to the mix?.....what made PITTbulls proposal likable for the Raptors is they get a solid replacement in David West....and so their PF position stays strong......

about PITTbulls proposal,

i like it....the flaw was exactly what Sam Smith said....they don't get an all-star in return....the Hornets have the same situation i was sayin about the PF position with Raps.....they only got David West and Sean Marks....Thomas is once again a downgrade, and therefore they become weak at the PF position.....and so they'll want more than Gordon.....and if they get Gordon, what are they gonna do with MoPete, Rasual Butler, Peja, D. Brown........i dun think the Hornets will agree to this 3-way trade.....and as for your Mavs trade, i doubt Cuban will trade Dirk......make a trade situation which possibly involves Josh Howard......

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Hornets line-up after 3 Team Trade

PG - Paul
SG - Gordon - 20ppg and clutch
SF - Peja
PF - Thomas - huge upside and native son
C - Chandler

* A slight change could have the Bulls give up the 1st Round Pick not the Hornets. At #21 the Hornets could draft B.J. Mullens for offense.

It's still not bad. I still think it could work. People have to keep in mind that, the Hornets are in financial trouble. They probably need to makes some trades. Peja and Chandler have huge contracts, so I figure West is the best trade option they have.

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about the sign and trade and another proposal

thats exactly it......yes, Gordon is a free agent come July 1......i don't see why that trade can't happen after July 1......sign and trade Gordon after July 1, and then that 2009 Hornets pick (with the Raptors telling them who to draft) would work......" I don't know why he would involve the Bulls in anything as far as a sign and trade unless it is the EXACT place that he wants to play" ....yea true, but sometimes organizations help players get to teams they wanna play......but i dun think Hornets is the answer for Gordon for so many reasons....

here is another proposal that could work out:

- Do a trade where:
New Orleans gets: Thabo Sefolosha, 2010 2nd round pick from OKC
Toronto gets: #21 pick in the 2009 draft (from the Hornets, where they pick Terrence Williams)
Oklahoma City gets: Jason Kapono

- Do a trade where:
Toronto gets: Tyrus Thomas, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, #26 pick (where they pick DeJuan Summers)
Chicago gets: Chris Bosh, Anthony Parker, Roko Ukic

Therefore Raps lineup looks like:

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Tyrus Thomas / Kris Humphries / (S) DeJuan Summers
*Shawn Marion / Luol Deng / Terrence Williams
*Ben Gordon / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Jonny Flynn / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

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I can't see BG7 in Toronto

Why would he want to go to Toronto with no Chris Bosh?

The teams I think he would like are:

Chicago - he likes playing there
New York - hometown
New Jersey - close to hometown
Charlotte - Okafor and Jordan are there
New Orleans - Chris Paul is there
Cleveland - LeBron is there

I think he would like New Orleans because of Chris Paul. He had so much success playing with Rose that he can't help but duplicate it or improve it with Chris Paul next to him.

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PITTbulls

yea they are in financial trouble....but bringing in Gordon and Thomas in and gettin West and Wright out isnt gonna relieve any financial pressure......both Gordon and Thomas are gonna add up to around $14.5 million a season......and West is jus below $10mil a season.....and the value of Thomas is going up.......so this aint gonna help out the Hornets financially......also, about your draft pick theory.....your earlier idea would work....Bulls would prolly wanna keep their early first round pick....sources say Hornets, OKC, and Minnesota wanna get rid of their late first round picks......so u had it right with the Hornets givin up 21st pick.......but like i said earlier, Hornets wont agree to this trade.....

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They could trade Chandler or Peja too

Keep in mind they may trade Chandler or Peja too.

What if they traded Chandler and drafted Mullens? Or traded Peja and drafted Daye, for example? That would save them money, right? I'm thinking two of those three guys may need to go.

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The thing with a lot of

The thing with a lot of financially distressed teams is that you technically can lowball them to some extent. Money talks - if you cannot afford to keep players on your roster, you have to downgrade till the economy picks up.

We are just discussing one part of the Hornets situation. Other components, such as Peja, MoPete, etc can be moved around - but Gordon provides them the same steady firepower at a younger age.

I would go so far as trading Deng, resigned Gordon, Tyrus for Bosh, Kapono +

I understand the work-around with West provides an All star PF, but if you cannot strike a deal with the Hornets, how can you make this trade work in a 2-team scenario between Chicago and Toronto?

Indiana Pacers are also financially distressed. Is there a way to work a 3 team trade with the Pacers? Assuming Granger is off limits.

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Toronto-Chicago

The best and most fair deal I could come up with is this.

Trade:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh and Marcus Banks
To Raptors: Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich and a 1st Round Pick

It's +1 and -4

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=olq74q

I think they need to bring in a third team!!!

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If the T-Wolves had Cole Aldrich, then maybe?

3 Team Trade:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Corey Brewer and Brian Cardinal
To Raptors: Luol Deng, Kevin Love and a 1st Round Pick
To T-Wolves: Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Anthony Roberson

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lqb7sv

I can't see the T-wolves giving up KLove unless they have Cole Aldrich (hometown kid in next year's draft).

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By the way, Indiana is a no-go!!!

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lol

PITTbulls, you obviously havent seen much Raptor games.....cuz if you saw the last 2 months of the Raptor's regular season (when Calderon came back from injury), u would have noticed that Jose deserves more respect than what he is gettin....if u remember 2 years ago, Calderon was a strong name out there for all-star considerations......the Raps got more than Bosh....how about Bargnani, Calderon, hopefully Flynn with the draft pick, Marion, and with that trade, Deng and Thomas (and i think in Toronto's system he'll avg close to 15ppg).....also in Toronto's system, he'll be much more beneficial then he was with the Bulls......u prolly don't know this but although he grew up in NY, he has international roots.....parents being Jamaican and him being born in England.....i think he would love to play in Toronto.....

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yea, i agree

if i were the GM with the Hornets, i would try to get rid of Peja or Chandler......but i think the Hornets wanna keep both of them.....i tihnk they should get rid of MoPete for literally anything.....

Velazquez, i agree with what you are sayin......the reason why i made the 2-team deal with Toronto and Chicago was that its more than jus Deng......they get Gordon as well......so then they might accept a weaker PF position.....but honestly, even though now it may look weak now, i think Thomas will thrive in Toronto's system......i think he needs to gain some weight this summa.....

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waive Banks

Toronto will probably waive Banks.....no team would want him.....way past his prime.....another thing i wanna say about Thomas, he has a huge upside, especially since he is still 22.....so even though the Raps would have doubts about his productivity now, he'll be good for their future.....

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so im guessin

so im guessin u didnt like my earlier proposal of:

Toronto gets: Tyrus Thomas, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, #26 pick
Chicago gets: Chris Bosh, Anthony Parker, Roko Ukic

when you really analyze the value of these players, this trade is almost equal (it seems like Toronto is giving up more, but then the value of Thomas will go up in the future).....

- Thomas ($3.7mil which will become close to $6mil when he re-signs in 2010), Deng ($9.4 mil), Gordon (around $10.5mil), and the 26th pick
- Bosh (close to $20 mil), Parker (close to $5.5 mil), Ukic ($1.25mil)

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as for the values

i said close to $20 mil for Bosh cuz thats how much he's really worth and thats what the Bulls will have to offer him in 2010......

and Minnesota wont give up Kevin Love

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BG7 in Toronto?

Again, I can't see him wanting to play there, especially without Bosh.

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Bulls-Raptors-Mavs Trade

Here's an interesting idea.

3 Team Trade:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Marcus Banks and Jerry Stackhouse
To Raptors: Josh Howard, Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, and a 1st Round Pick
To Mavs: Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng

Rating: Bulls +1, Raptors -1 with the Draft Pick, and Mavs +2
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=r6gr2z

If could work, maybe?

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Bulls-Raptors-Bobcats Trade

Here's another interesting idea.

3 Team Trade:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Jason Kapono and Patrick O'Bryant
To Raptors: Boris Diaw, D.J. Augustin, Luol Deng and a 1st Round Pick
To Bobcats: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=me3kat
* I used Kirk Hinrich for Ben Gordon

Rating - Bulls +4, Raptors -1 with draft pick, Bobcats +2 with Gordon

I know BG7 wouldn't mind being re-united with Okafor and MJ really likes BG7's game. The question is, "Would they trade Diaw and Augustin?" Like I said, it's an interesting idea that could work.

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Nothing to do with the NBA Draft

This topic belongs in the NBA forum.

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Don't respond then

Thanks.

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Bulls-Raptors-Bobcats Trade

Here's another interesting idea.

3 Team Trade:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Jason Kapono and Patrick O'Bryant
To Raptors: Boris Diaw, D.J. Augustin, Luol Deng and a 1st Round Pick
To Bobcats: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=me3kat
* I used Kirk Hinrich for Ben Gordon

Rating - Bulls +4, Raptors -1 with draft pick, Bobcats +2 with Gordon

I know BG7 wouldn't mind being re-united with Okafor and MJ really likes BG7's game. The question is, "Would they trade Diaw and Augustin?" Like I said, it's an interesting idea that could work.

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Bulls-Raptors-Mavs Trade

Here's an interesting idea.

3 Team Trade:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Marcus Banks and Jerry Stackhouse
To Raptors: Josh Howard, Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, and a 1st Round Pick
To Mavs: Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng

Rating: Bulls +1, Raptors -1 with the Draft Pick, and Mavs +2
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=r6gr2z

I think the Bulls would do it. I think the Mavs would do it. The question is, "Would the Raptors do it?"

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Forget Kapono in any deal

He just got traded to the Sixers.

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both are very interesting trades

i like both trades......i think the Raps would agree to both......here is the thing with the Bobcats trade.....would they give up DJ Augustin....i mean they are in love with the guy....he represented the Bobcats at the draft......and he's playin really well....solid backup avg 12 ppg......also go with Anthony Parker rather than Kapono......makes the trade more realistic

the problem with the Mavs trade is i dunno if the Bulls will go for it.....O'Bryant and Banks are garbage.....and Stackhouse is way past his prime.....and 34 years .......and also the Raps may not like Tim Thomas.....but overall both trades could actually work.....

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for the Raps, if they do your Bobcats proposal of:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Anthony Parker and Patrick O'Bryant
To Raptors: Boris Diaw, D.J. Augustin, Luol Deng and the 26th Pick(where they pick Summers)
To Bobcats: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas

and then

New Orleans gets: Thabo Sefolosha
Toronto gets: #21 pick in the 2009 draft (from the Hornets, where they pick Terrence Williams)
Oklahoma City gets: Roko Ukic

and send Kris Humphries to Minnesota for a future 2nd round pick.......sign players like Wilcox and Gortat.....draft someone like Tyreke to fill the 2

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Pops Mensah-Bonsu
*Boris Diaw / Chris Wilcox / Reggie Evans / (S) DeJuan Summers
*Shawn Marion / Luol Deng / (S) Terrence Williams
*Tyreke Evans / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / D.J. Augustin / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) not in 12-man squad

comes to about $66mil.....usually the Raps go close to 70mil...

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OR

if they do your Mavs proposal of:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Marcus Banks and Jerry Stackhouse
To Raptors: Josh Howard, Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, and the 26th Pick (where they pick Summers)
To Mavs: Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng

and then

New Orleans gets: Thabo Sefolosha
Toronto gets: #21 pick in the 2009 draft (from the Hornets, where they pick Terrence Williams)
Oklahoma City gets: Roko Ukic

and send Kris Humphries to Minnesota for a future 2nd round pick.......sign players like Gortat.....and draft Flynn to fill the back up point

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Pops Mensah-Bonsu
*Tyrus Thomas / Tim Thomas / Reggie Evans / (S) DeJuan Summers
*Josh Howard / Shawn Marion / (S) Terrence Williams
*Anthony Parker / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Jonny Flynn / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) not in 12-man squad

comes to around $65mil

both proposals look good on Raps.....i would probably go with the Bobcats trade, but i doubt that'll happen cuz they wont give up on Augustin.....Mavs trade looks more realistic......

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