[AmiableBaller34Participant]

If the Heat play Bosh in the post more, than LeBron doesn’t get those driving lanes, and those three point shooters don’t go as much space. So I understand why he camps outside. I think you are right about the rebounds though. The Heat can score, so he should focus on getting extra possessions off of rebounds and good defense.

[AmiableBaller34Participant]

If the Heat play Bosh in the post more, than LeBron doesn’t get those driving lanes, and those three point shooters don’t go as much space. So I understand why he camps outside. I think you are right about the rebounds though. The Heat can score, so he should focus on getting extra possessions off of rebounds and good defense.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Do you guys think he’s playing this way because of what Spoelstra runs on offense, or has he just gone completely soft?

[A shitty mock banned editionParticipant]

The rebounding? All bosh.

His outside shooting is a mix of both, coach and player. Bosh can’t just decide to start clogging the lane, non-stop, looking for the ball. But he’s taking his outside shooting way too far. He needs to play how he was playing regular season, regular face-up big guy, not damn three point specialist.

So mad at Bosh.

[JmpasqParticipant]

Rebounding he absolutely deserves to be called out on but the offense like u said isnt all his doing. U cant have a clear lane for Lebron and Wade and have Bosh there.

[JmpasqParticipant]

Rebounding he absolutely deserves to be called out on but the offense like u said isnt all his doing. U cant have a clear lane for Lebron and Wade and have Bosh there.

[A shitty mock banned editionParticipant]

The rebounding? All bosh.

His outside shooting is a mix of both, coach and player. Bosh can’t just decide to start clogging the lane, non-stop, looking for the ball. But he’s taking his outside shooting way too far. He needs to play how he was playing regular season, regular face-up big guy, not damn three point specialist.

So mad at Bosh.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Do you guys think he’s playing this way because of what Spoelstra runs on offense, or has he just gone completely soft?

[nick5354Participant]

My frustration with Chris Bosh has reached it’s maximum.

Bosh needs to realise he is a 6-11 power forward and go bang with the big boys. Now I am not saying become a completely different player and try to be a 7-1 Hibbert style player. He just needs to grow a pair, stop hanging out on the 3 point line and rebound the basketball.

He is way to content to just sit back and watch LBJ do it all. I mean, it is like LBJ realised no one else is going to help him on the boards so he has to do it all him self. I mean he pulled down 18 boards tonight and Bosh managed to get only 5. He showed an unwillingness to rebound the basketball in the Indy series and it has carried over to the Finals.

He needs to get his hands dirty and try to help out this Heat side who are the worst team rebounding the basketball ranked 30th. (I know heat won the rebounding battle tonight but without LBJ getting 18 they would not have)

He has such a good mid range game, and nice crafty moves close to the basket but sitting for those deep 3 from the top of the paint is just stupid. You might settle for that corner 3 that he seems to hit well every now and then when he is open but cannot over shoot and fall in love with the 3 point shot.

It is killing me watching Bosh play. I am not sure how far the Heat can go in winning multiple rings with Bosh playing this way.

I can just imagine coach Pop and Timmy Duncan laughing in their boots watching Bosh continually shoot that deep 3 and the way he playing at the moment. I mean that shot he took at the end of game 1 is coming the Spurs will live with.

This is my rant over, so in summary, Chris Bosh, grow a pair.

[A shitty mock banned editionParticipant]

I read somewhere Pop sent a thank you letter to him after the game.

[A shitty mock banned editionParticipant]

I read somewhere Pop sent a thank you letter to him after the game.

[akhan786Participant]

I think it’s partly because Battier has been so ineffective this entire Playoffs. With Battier starting, Bosh used to BE the man in the post.

But now with Battier too small to guard against a team that utilizes two bigs, Bosh is the 4 with another big down-low.

Of course, that is just an excuse. We saw that one beautiful move he made in the lane and after that….HE DIDN’T GO IN THE POST AGAIN. So yes Bosh, please grow a pair.

[akhan786Participant]

I think it’s partly because Battier has been so ineffective this entire Playoffs. With Battier starting, Bosh used to BE the man in the post.

But now with Battier too small to guard against a team that utilizes two bigs, Bosh is the 4 with another big down-low.

Of course, that is just an excuse. We saw that one beautiful move he made in the lane and after that….HE DIDN’T GO IN THE POST AGAIN. So yes Bosh, please grow a pair.

[McDunkin]

[BigMac12111Participant]

That just made my night lol thank you

[BigMac12111Participant]

That just made my night lol thank you

[McDunkin]

[B-ball fanParticipant]

I don’t think they really need Bosh to post up, but he would really help them by being more willing to attack the rim off the dribble when he gets the ball on the elbow. He has to be aggressive and look to finish, not just take jumpers. He will really put pressure on the Spurs bigs if he crashes towards the rim.

[nick5354Participant]

I agree.I didn;t really mean traditional post ups but seeing bosh attack the basketball more, get the bigs for Spurs in foul trouble. Seeing him more physical and aggressive is what I want to see.

[nick5354Participant]

I agree.I didn;t really mean traditional post ups but seeing bosh attack the basketball more, get the bigs for Spurs in foul trouble. Seeing him more physical and aggressive is what I want to see.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

I don’t think they really need Bosh to post up, but he would really help them by being more willing to attack the rim off the dribble when he gets the ball on the elbow. He has to be aggressive and look to finish, not just take jumpers. He will really put pressure on the Spurs bigs if he crashes towards the rim.

[BigMac12111Participant]

The thing that ticks me off is that it’s not like he has to spend the whole game down low. He can still stay around the mid-range, but he has to at least fake that jumper every once in a while and actually drive the paint. I mean, I know he lost some athleticism but what happened to this Bosh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJW0CgP-bA

Bosh is, for some reason, the most likable of the Big 3 to me so it’s frustrating watching his game now. Give me 30% of what’s in that video right there (a little post work, some base-line drives, taking guys off the dribble) and the Heat are a completely different team. Cause 39.8% on his jumpers (what he’s shooting in these playoffs) simply won’t cut it.

[BigMac12111Participant]

This is the link that I wanted to post. Not of the song (though it is a very good cover lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejyvF_Bt-C4

[BigMac12111Participant]

This is the link that I wanted to post. Not of the song (though it is a very good cover lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejyvF_Bt-C4

[BigMac12111Participant]

The thing that ticks me off is that it’s not like he has to spend the whole game down low. He can still stay around the mid-range, but he has to at least fake that jumper every once in a while and actually drive the paint. I mean, I know he lost some athleticism but what happened to this Bosh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJW0CgP-bA

Bosh is, for some reason, the most likable of the Big 3 to me so it’s frustrating watching his game now. Give me 30% of what’s in that video right there (a little post work, some base-line drives, taking guys off the dribble) and the Heat are a completely different team. Cause 39.8% on his jumpers (what he’s shooting in these playoffs) simply won’t cut it.

[ProudGrandpaParticipant]

Now we wait for Chris Bosh to respond…

[ProudGrandpaParticipant]

Now we wait for Chris Bosh to respond…

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

The Spurs only had 4 turnovers for the game so it’s not like Bosh was the only player lacking effort. Bosh did creat 3 of the turnovers with steals.

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

The Spurs only had 4 turnovers for the game so it’s not like Bosh was the only player lacking effort. Bosh did creat 3 of the turnovers with steals.

[HOops1562Participant]

I agree when is bosh gonna realize the Spurs want him to take that 3 pointer he went 0-4 tonight from 3 and missed one late that could have gotten them the lead … who does he think he is Ray Allen ?

[HOops1562Participant]

I agree when is bosh gonna realize the Spurs want him to take that 3 pointer he went 0-4 tonight from 3 and missed one late that could have gotten them the lead … who does he think he is Ray Allen ?

[halfdecayedParticipant]

I just dont understand why did you post a video of the song Billy Jean? wtf lol

[BigMac12111Participant]

My bad on that one. Copied the wrong link 😛

[BigMac12111Participant]

My bad on that one. Copied the wrong link 😛

[halfdecayedParticipant]

I just dont understand why did you post a video of the song Billy Jean? wtf lol

[aarondsonixfanParticipant]

Dude, seriously… what do you expect? Bosh is the softest player in the league, with Pau Gasol being an extremely close 2nd.

[aarondsonixfanParticipant]

Dude, seriously… what do you expect? Bosh is the softest player in the league, with Pau Gasol being an extremely close 2nd.

[db24kb24Participant]

For those of you criticizing Bosh ask yourselves…

1) Has Chris ever been a tough player?

2) Has He ever had sustained success in Miami’s offense?

3) Did he score on the block in Toronto or from the high post?

4) Could Spo be to blame for putting a mid range shooter behind the arc when he has Jones, Battier, Lewis at his disposal rotting on the bench?

5) Do Mavs fans criticize Dirk for not scoring on the block and being pedestrian on the boards?

6) Does Chris have the strength or skill to maneuver in the post against Tim or Tiago?

He is who he is. And what does growing a pair mean? Does that mean he has to beat Tim and Tiago in the post when he’s shorter, lighter, and less skilled in the paint? He couldn’t guard Indiana’s bigs giving up size and strength in the last series, did you expect him to do any better against the best PF of all time?

[Velvet HoopParticipant]

Bosh’s last five seasons in Toronto he averaged: 9.2, 10.7, 8.7, 10.0, 10.8. His rebounds have went down steadily in Miami: 8.3, 7.9, 6.8. Then he is averaging 6.5 for the playoffs and 4.3 for the Conference finals.

I think growing a pair means to stop hanging on the three point line, and go down into the paint and bang for some boards. It is fine if he wants to linger out there for a midrange jumper, but once the shot goes up, go get it. Don’t just stand there and watch the from the three point line.

Haslem: 17 minutes 4 boards
Birdman: 13 minutes 3 boards
Anthony: 3 minutes 3 boards
Miller: 20 minutes 4 boards
Bosh: 35 minutes 5 boards

The disparity between minutes played and rebounds is pretty clear.

[Velvet HoopParticipant]

Bosh’s last five seasons in Toronto he averaged: 9.2, 10.7, 8.7, 10.0, 10.8. His rebounds have went down steadily in Miami: 8.3, 7.9, 6.8. Then he is averaging 6.5 for the playoffs and 4.3 for the Conference finals.

I think growing a pair means to stop hanging on the three point line, and go down into the paint and bang for some boards. It is fine if he wants to linger out there for a midrange jumper, but once the shot goes up, go get it. Don’t just stand there and watch the from the three point line.

Haslem: 17 minutes 4 boards
Birdman: 13 minutes 3 boards
Anthony: 3 minutes 3 boards
Miller: 20 minutes 4 boards
Bosh: 35 minutes 5 boards

The disparity between minutes played and rebounds is pretty clear.

[db24kb24Participant]

I realized his rebounding #’s are down and that’s mainly because of the system. Bosh isn’t wandering out to the three on accident, that is Spolestra’s idea. The Heat have some of the best off-the-dribble penetration in the game so Spo has Bosh on the perimeter to create driving lanes for his guys. If Spo knew how best to use him in ways he’s most efficient they would be unreal.

I agree. 5 boards in 35 mins is ridiculous for any front court player, and rebounding has been Miami’s weakness since the start of Mia’s big 3. This isn’t a recent trend we’re seeing, everybody knows they’re small inside.

Look @ Pau’s stats w/ Phil Jackson and his stats with Mike Brown or MDA. I haven’t looked them up because as a LAL fan i’m pretty sure he was more productive under Phil than w/ both Mikes. What i’m trying to say is the coach & the system makes a huge difference on a players production. MDA believes Pau should operate from the high post…Phil won back-to-back championships w/ Pau operating primarily from the block. Pau struggled all last season from the high post-extended. It’s not rocket science to me, but i’d stick Pau in the post. Pau can hit those shots, yes, but it’s not his bread n butter. Similarly Bosh can hit 3’s but that’s not his bread n butter.

I blame Spo for this, not Chris

[db24kb24Participant]

I realized his rebounding #’s are down and that’s mainly because of the system. Bosh isn’t wandering out to the three on accident, that is Spolestra’s idea. The Heat have some of the best off-the-dribble penetration in the game so Spo has Bosh on the perimeter to create driving lanes for his guys. If Spo knew how best to use him in ways he’s most efficient they would be unreal.

I agree. 5 boards in 35 mins is ridiculous for any front court player, and rebounding has been Miami’s weakness since the start of Mia’s big 3. This isn’t a recent trend we’re seeing, everybody knows they’re small inside.

Look @ Pau’s stats w/ Phil Jackson and his stats with Mike Brown or MDA. I haven’t looked them up because as a LAL fan i’m pretty sure he was more productive under Phil than w/ both Mikes. What i’m trying to say is the coach & the system makes a huge difference on a players production. MDA believes Pau should operate from the high post…Phil won back-to-back championships w/ Pau operating primarily from the block. Pau struggled all last season from the high post-extended. It’s not rocket science to me, but i’d stick Pau in the post. Pau can hit those shots, yes, but it’s not his bread n butter. Similarly Bosh can hit 3’s but that’s not his bread n butter.

I blame Spo for this, not Chris

[ThepessimestParticipant]

You make a great point. Bosh needs to rebound more and attack the basket when given the chance but he has never been a post up player. He has always been a face up 4. Only thing I disagree with is the comparison to Dirk. Lol! Dirk was criticized for not posting up smaller players but even so…Bosh isn’t Dirk. Dirk can score 30 without making a layup because that is his game. Bosh is more of a guy who was a good shooter who in the NBA extended his range. Dirk was knocking down 3’s as a 18 year old.

And besides all that. Dirk is that dude…Period.

[ThepessimestParticipant]

You make a great point. Bosh needs to rebound more and attack the basket when given the chance but he has never been a post up player. He has always been a face up 4. Only thing I disagree with is the comparison to Dirk. Lol! Dirk was criticized for not posting up smaller players but even so…Bosh isn’t Dirk. Dirk can score 30 without making a layup because that is his game. Bosh is more of a guy who was a good shooter who in the NBA extended his range. Dirk was knocking down 3’s as a 18 year old.

And besides all that. Dirk is that dude…Period.

[db24kb24Participant]

I didn’t mean to compare these two in terms of offense production, shooting ability, or anything of that matter because there is no comparison shooting the ball Dirk>CB4 all day, every day.

I used Dirk as an example because he is a finesse big, like Chris. Nobody asks Dirk to bang, but everyone criticizes Bosh for not being able to. IMO that’s unfair. With every player you can pinpoint a weakness.

[db24kb24Participant]

I didn’t mean to compare these two in terms of offense production, shooting ability, or anything of that matter because there is no comparison shooting the ball Dirk>CB4 all day, every day.

I used Dirk as an example because he is a finesse big, like Chris. Nobody asks Dirk to bang, but everyone criticizes Bosh for not being able to. IMO that’s unfair. With every player you can pinpoint a weakness.

[theTKOshowParticipant]

i was talking about this with a buddy last night after the game. bosh was never a tough guy and a banger in the post but he used to told his own, not overpowering anyone but not being overpowered either (most of the time). he used to operate at the top of key by either taking that jumpshot when it was given and not being scared to take it in strong when needed to. i know duncan is one of the best ever at his position but he is not the player he once was and tiago is nice but bosh is supposed to be a top pf and is paid like that so theres no reason not to dominate. at the beginning of the big 3 he was a 3rd wheel but now that wade is breaking down, he should be stepping up, im having trouble understanding why a P&R with james isnt unstoppable. hes got the size and athleticism to roll to the basket and the jumpshot to pop when its given. james used to almost only run the P&R in cleveland so hes got teh expereince and defenses cant cheat on it with him. im cheering for the spurs but it boggles my mind to see bosh suck so much

[theTKOshowParticipant]

i was talking about this with a buddy last night after the game. bosh was never a tough guy and a banger in the post but he used to told his own, not overpowering anyone but not being overpowered either (most of the time). he used to operate at the top of key by either taking that jumpshot when it was given and not being scared to take it in strong when needed to. i know duncan is one of the best ever at his position but he is not the player he once was and tiago is nice but bosh is supposed to be a top pf and is paid like that so theres no reason not to dominate. at the beginning of the big 3 he was a 3rd wheel but now that wade is breaking down, he should be stepping up, im having trouble understanding why a P&R with james isnt unstoppable. hes got the size and athleticism to roll to the basket and the jumpshot to pop when its given. james used to almost only run the P&R in cleveland so hes got teh expereince and defenses cant cheat on it with him. im cheering for the spurs but it boggles my mind to see bosh suck so much

[db24kb24Participant]

For those of you criticizing Bosh ask yourselves…

1) Has Chris ever been a tough player?

2) Has He ever had sustained success in Miami’s offense?

3) Did he score on the block in Toronto or from the high post?

4) Could Spo be to blame for putting a mid range shooter behind the arc when he has Jones, Battier, Lewis at his disposal rotting on the bench?

5) Do Mavs fans criticize Dirk for not scoring on the block and being pedestrian on the boards?

6) Does Chris have the strength or skill to maneuver in the post against Tim or Tiago?

He is who he is. And what does growing a pair mean? Does that mean he has to beat Tim and Tiago in the post when he’s shorter, lighter, and less skilled in the paint? He couldn’t guard Indiana’s bigs giving up size and strength in the last series, did you expect him to do any better against the best PF of all time?

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

That Dinosaur made Paul Gasol looked strong. At least Gasol knows how to rebound.

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

That Dinosaur made Paul Gasol looked strong. At least Gasol knows how to rebound.

[Professor RozayParticipant]

He needs to stay in the mid range area and work the pick and pop game. He has a nice touch but not at the three point line. Go inside get fouled go to the line and hit the mid range. Now the fact that he is 6-11 and is not rebounding at a level that he should be is a problem. That is what makes him soft to me. The man does not want to go down there and bang out with the big boys. That has to stop. He has to put an end to that and get himself in that paint and rebound for his team.

[Professor RozayParticipant]

He needs to stay in the mid range area and work the pick and pop game. He has a nice touch but not at the three point line. Go inside get fouled go to the line and hit the mid range. Now the fact that he is 6-11 and is not rebounding at a level that he should be is a problem. That is what makes him soft to me. The man does not want to go down there and bang out with the big boys. That has to stop. He has to put an end to that and get himself in that paint and rebound for his team.

[HobbyOGParticipant]

Not a Bosh fan, but you gotta blame half him half offense. When he was in TO he was not this soft, he banged and put up numbers, come to Miami he jump shooting and lost weight. When have you ever seen a play called for Bosh in the post in a MIA uni? NEVER. But he needs to rebound better then that.

[HobbyOGParticipant]

Not a Bosh fan, but you gotta blame half him half offense. When he was in TO he was not this soft, he banged and put up numbers, come to Miami he jump shooting and lost weight. When have you ever seen a play called for Bosh in the post in a MIA uni? NEVER. But he needs to rebound better then that.

[The QParticipant]

Lets not forget Bosh isn’t exactly 100% anyway. On a bum ankle he’s not getting the proper lift on his jumper.

It’s clear neither he or wade is 100% right now.

It just means guys like Battier, Miller and Allen need to be hitting their open looks.

[The QParticipant]

Lets not forget Bosh isn’t exactly 100% anyway. On a bum ankle he’s not getting the proper lift on his jumper.

It’s clear neither he or wade is 100% right now.

It just means guys like Battier, Miller and Allen need to be hitting their open looks.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Miami only looks Unbeatable when Bosh hits the boards…During this yr’s playoffs he hasnt been attacking the boards avg a mere 4 against the Pacers…They’re getting by on Lebron’s superb play…But during the past 3 seasons Bosh has played great against the Spurs shooting 60% FG and averged 23 pts..They have to get him going early in the next game….

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Miami only looks Unbeatable when Bosh hits the boards…During this yr’s playoffs he hasnt been attacking the boards avg a mere 4 against the Pacers…They’re getting by on Lebron’s superb play…But during the past 3 seasons Bosh has played great against the Spurs shooting 60% FG and averged 23 pts..They have to get him going early in the next game….

[Snubs15Participant]

The Heat beat the spurs back around the end of March without Lebron, Wade, and Chalmers playing… Chris Bosh lead the team in points and rebounds and if I remember correctly hit the game winning 3 pointer in the dying seconds

To me this is proof that bosh is still a top notch player in this league, and when given the opportunity he can really step it up.

He just seems to sit back and watch Lebron and Wade do everything for the team and doesn’t really show any aggressiveness to help the team win when they are on the court together. He is a great player playing in a weak a.s.s role where he doesnt do anything but shoot jumpers and space the floor for his teammates. He is much better suited as a face up 4 and given some space to operate for himself. He’s great at drawing fouls in these situations and can get the other team in foul trouble.

He’s got expectations to be a superstar player based on his contract, but the role he is playing in is holding him back from being anything great. You can call him out for his weak rebounding because those numbers can easily be improved, but his poor offensive game as of late is not entirely his fault and I guarantee in another system playing for another team Bosh could easily be going off for 20-10 every night.

[bangbangwayneworld]

In the dying seconds..lmaoffed

[bangbangwayneworld]

In the dying seconds..lmaoffed

[Snubs15Participant]

The Heat beat the spurs back around the end of March without Lebron, Wade, and Chalmers playing… Chris Bosh lead the team in points and rebounds and if I remember correctly hit the game winning 3 pointer in the dying seconds

To me this is proof that bosh is still a top notch player in this league, and when given the opportunity he can really step it up.

He just seems to sit back and watch Lebron and Wade do everything for the team and doesn’t really show any aggressiveness to help the team win when they are on the court together. He is a great player playing in a weak a.s.s role where he doesnt do anything but shoot jumpers and space the floor for his teammates. He is much better suited as a face up 4 and given some space to operate for himself. He’s great at drawing fouls in these situations and can get the other team in foul trouble.

He’s got expectations to be a superstar player based on his contract, but the role he is playing in is holding him back from being anything great. You can call him out for his weak rebounding because those numbers can easily be improved, but his poor offensive game as of late is not entirely his fault and I guarantee in another system playing for another team Bosh could easily be going off for 20-10 every night.

[ShyhillParticipant]

Well i would expect the 30th ranked rebounding to team have players who don’t rebound

[ShyhillParticipant]

Well i would expect the 30th ranked rebounding to team have players who don’t rebound

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@db24kb24

I agree with everything you’ve posted in this thread about Chris Bosh.

I don’t feel Miami is using him in a way that gets the max potential out of his game. He’s basically been turned into a stretch big role player who only shoots when the ball is kicked out to him. He’s a better player than that.

I’d like to see him be given more touches where he can go to work with it. He’s not a back to the basket player, but he’s too offensively gifted to be used so one dimensional.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@db24kb24

I agree with everything you’ve posted in this thread about Chris Bosh.

I don’t feel Miami is using him in a way that gets the max potential out of his game. He’s basically been turned into a stretch big role player who only shoots when the ball is kicked out to him. He’s a better player than that.

I’d like to see him be given more touches where he can go to work with it. He’s not a back to the basket player, but he’s too offensively gifted to be used so one dimensional.

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