I'm a new user but I'm a HUGE Pistons fan and I love talkin basketball
I was wondering what y'all think the chances of Trey Burke going to Detroit are? Him going from the Wolverines to the Pistons would be a dream come true for me. No one has us getting him right now but hear me out:
#1.The Cavs have Kyrie Irving (don't need a point)
#2.Most believe the Magic will take either McLemore or Noel (whoever's available)
#3. Wizards have John Wall (don't need a point)
#4. Bobcats have Kemba Walker (don't need a point)
#5. Suns have Goran Dragic (don't need a point).
#6. NOW it gets interesting. The Hornets/Pelicans have Greivis Vasquez who was third in assist in the regular season averaging 9.0 with 3.2 turnovers (almost 3 to 1). He's 6ft6 so he can guard 2's. Why not pair him with a guy like CJ McCollum who's an excellent scorer, great off screens and even has point guard potential?
#7. No one knows what the Kings are thinking, but looking at the roster they're weak at power forward. Cody Zeller makes since. A talented, level headed, big man to start stabilizing the franchise and (best case scenario) may afford them a chance to move DeMarcus Cousins.
I am a Pistons fan and a University of Michigan basketball fan, and I would personally love to see Trey play for the Pistons. That being said, I just don't see Trey dropping all the way to #8 and I think he'll get scooped up at #6 or #7.
For the Pistons' sake, I think that a player like Oladipo would suit the team a little better anyways. Hopefully, he's still around by #8.
Its possible, but Id say doubtful. Even if Orlando passes on him at #2 he could very easily go tI New Orleans at #6 or Sacramento at #7. Im a Piston fan and Id love to see it happen but js
You forget that Vasquez is waaaaaay too slow to be a starting point guard in the NBA. He's so bad defensively that with his added role the Pelihorns were slightly worse on the defensive end than last year while adding Anthony Davis to the fold. That's pretty hard to do.
It's true, Vasquez's foot speed is average but he was an impressive playmaker on offense. Anthony Davis is a great shot-blocker but let's not forget he's still thin and suffers a bit on defense, it's not all Vasquez. Plus let's not forget all his timely lob pass's to Davis helping maximize his offensive potential. He's 6ft6, perfect height to guard the 2's, and CJ McCollum is 6ft3, perfect height to guard the 1's. If they want Burke as the point Vasquez is nowhere near a natural scorer, he becomes almost useless. If Vasquez runs point and Burke plays off him why not grab McCollum? He's taller and better off the ball.
The Pelicans may take Trey. The kings don't needs another Pg, with Isiah and Tyreke.
As for the pistons...Although burke played for Michigan, it would be nice to have him, but we don't need him. The pistons already invested too much in Knight, and now that they have Maurice Cheeks they can actually mentor him. I think next season he will be playing more of a pg role. After this season, he'll be more motivated to work harder in the off season. Also, the pistons are weak at the SF position position (and at the SG). Preferably I would take Bazz would fill either void, and also bazz is marked as being "selfish", which is a player the pistons need because they do not have a go to scorer in the 4th(monroe is better suited as a second option). Hopefully Maurice Cheeks can talk igudala into coming here and from there we can have a solid lineup.If not then we'll have to roll with stuckey or singler at sg...Our lineup could Knight, Stuckey(or singler), Bazz, Monroe, Drummond.
I would love to have Knight run point and Shabazz play off, but Knight's almost proved to me last year he's not a point and Shabazz is a little to 1 dimensional. Know its only his second year, but Knight's stats are almost "identical to last season". I've watched Knight play a lot, in person and on TV, and I just am not seeing a point. Not saying it can't happen, but its not very likely to me. Shabazz is too undersized for a quality small forward in my opinion. As a shooting guard, scoring is his best/only attribute but he's too predicable on offense, and doesn't show promise on defense. That was exposed at the combine. I see him as another Quincy Pondexter, would rather aim higher personally.
Knights not a good SG either. He shot under 40% after the Calderon trade and I dont like the idea of having an undersized SG on our team. Either start him at PG or put him in a 6th man role.
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Pelicans need offense, they may take Anthony or CJ
Burke would be a nice fit in Detroit, but it seems like Detroit wasted their pick on Brandon Knight. Is he suppose to be a Jason Terry type?
I really hope Detroit gets CJ. You know what you're getting with him. He's a great shooter and Detroit needs consistent points. I'm hoping he falls. I agree 100% with Detroit Ball...Knight was exactly the same the 1st 2 seasons. Everytime it looked like he'd turn the corner, he'd regress. He would be better off as a 6th man. I like Knight but he's kinda been a disappointment. Even Monroe...I'd really like to see him take it to the next level. What do you guys think about trading Monroe for a high draft pick and drafting Bennett and CJ?
I'd like to see if Monroe can play at power forward next to Drummond first. If not I agree, maybe we should consider shopping him. Not for this draft though. Its too weak and Monroe is too good. I had a thought a while back. Think about this! Trade Greg Monroe for Anthony Davis. Greg Monroe can play center in his home town New Orleans next to stretch 4 Ryan Anderson. Pistons get a super athletic, crazy defensive front court with Davis and Drummond. I know it probably won't happen but I think it makes some sense.
Why are the Hornets trading Anthony Davis for Greg Monroe? I'd love to hear one valid reason.
Ryan Anderson is one of the best stretch 4's in the league and good centers are hard to come by. Greg Monroe is a good center. Monroe operates near the basket so him and Ryan Anderson won't clash. Monroe would be playing in his hometown potentially making him more motivated and more marketable. If Anthony Davis doesn't add more weight or refine his offensive game he will not be the sensation everyone thought he could be. Monroe is more proven right now. I do see all the reason NOT to make the trade, just thought it made some sense.
1. Noel ... slim chance Len Porter Oladipo.
7. MCW, Shabazz maybe
So that leaves Detroit with Burke. But will they take him?
Also one of these teams could take Zeller.
I think trading our (big time Detroit fan from down under here) best player/piece in Monroe is absolute crazy talk. We are still yet to see how both he and Drummond perform consistently next to each other as they develop further.
Burke's a great player, obviously, and was incredible at the college level. However, for some reason I am anxious about him (something about his size/athleticisim irks me a little) and would prefer to see the Pistons take someone like Oladipo. Now, obviously that's relying on Knight continuing to be the main option at the 1. I still believe in Knight as he is an incredible smart player with a lot of talent, I think once he properly grapples with his confidence/mental game (I'm referring to his reportedly self-deprecating/hard on himself attitude.
I just think Oladipo epitomises everything we would want in a Guard. Great defender, athletic, high character/hard worker. Shown great improvement. Decent shooter. I'd be most excited with him at 8.
From what I have been reading, Oladipo should be a lock top 5. After that game he had against MSU this year his draft skyrocketed and for good reason. Jay Bilas thinks that he could maybe be the best player to come out of this draft class. I do too. Right now I think that if Burke falls to Detroit than they really have to consider taking him. Best fits Oladipo or Porter. I don't see either of them at 8. If we are left without Burke then I think it is really tough choice between Zeller, KCP and Shabazz.
Some think trading Davis for Monroe is crazy, but I'm with you. I definitely want to see how he does next to Drummond next season first. Monroe's been working on his shooting and ballhandling, which were my concerns about him playing power forward, but he'll never be an explosive athlete. With that came my thoughts about trading for Davis (just one of my crazy ideas). LOVE Victor Oladipo but the Pistons are deprived of a solid playmaker. I'd feel more comfortable waiting for Trey Bruke to develop better athleticism than waiting for Brandon Knight to develop point guard instincts.
Firstly, I believe Monroe's lack of explosiveness isn't really an issue. He is a great first step for a big guy, and a really polished set of moves to get his shot off. I think he is definitely the answer at the 4.
The idea of natural point guard "instincts" is one that baffles me a little bit. I think a lot of it is just plain hard work. Sure, some guys are great great point guards (chris paul, kidd, nash). But I think a lot can be said for hard working, fundamental, heady lead guards. Knight's a heady player, a smart guy, I believe he has the potential (we always talk about physical potential never mental) to develop these skills and accompanying understanding of the game. We have seen glimpses here and there, but I definitely feel he has the smarts to be lead guard in the NBA when he puts it all together.
As it was previously mentioned it is likely that neither Oladipo or Burke will be on the board when the Pistons pick and in that case I hope they take the BPA, or possibly trade down a bit, pick up a decent Vet and pick someone like Tony Snell or Hardaway Jr. As I believe the drop off between the top of the first round and the latter end to be not super significant in this draft.
I don't think Monroe's athleticism is a big issue at all, but some teams can thrive off high athleticism. Two athletic bigs like Drummond and Davis would be a thing of beauty on the fast break, but could suffer in half court. Either way I just thought it might help establish an identity for both teams. But again, I completely agree we should try him at power forward before anything.
I think too much is said of players physical potential and not enough of their mental. There are 3 kinds of good point guards: 1. One's that have a natural affinity for reading defenses and making them react in a way that will free up a high percentage shots himself or his teammates 2. One's that are such huge offensive threats they command double teams and find open teammates once they make the defense react 3. One's that have been around for awhile and understand the game and his teammates well enough to make sound decisions on offense. They ALL require sharp "instincts" to be effective. The third one takes the longest to develop, usually years, and there are plenty of guards who cannot even reach this level. Why do you think there are so many undersized shooting guards? Knight can be the third at best, and it doesn't bode well for him he hasn't shown much improvement in his two seasons with all the opportunity afford to him. However, a solid off season can do wonders for your athleticism. Burke looks to be the first, and those are EXTREMELY rare.
I'm really not sure why so many people don't think the Kings would grab Burke if he's available at #7. He's a top 5 value, and Isaiah isn't the long term answer at PG, they don't seem to have much faith in Jimmer (who looks like he'd be better off an instant offense off the bench) and Tyreke might be better suited to SG and will be a FA soon.
Pistons might have to try to trade up if they want him.
Personally I want the Magic to take McLemore at #2 (assuming Noel goes 1st) but I wouldn't be surprised if they traded down with Phoenix so that they could snag Burke at #5. Or maybe even take Burke with the second pick if the brass think he's worth it.