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- Posted on: Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:48pm #29579
erminatorParticipanthi guys
could somebody paste the full article of chad ford:
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0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:53pm #537204
TyroberParticipantLots of measurements. Might not work right. All credit goes to Chad Ford and ESPN
While the height and weight measurements from the NBA pre-draft camp are interesting and relevant, NBA general managers and scouts also spend a lot of time dissecting the results of the NBA physical combine.
Everyone takes these with a grain of salt. Every year the "best athlete in the draft" doesnot turn into the best player in the draft. Teams do take these reports seriously. This is the first objective testing that we have on these guys and sometimes our eyes deceive us.
What are the drills?
Players are asked to bench press 185 pounds as many times as they can, test their vertical jump two ways (no step and maximum) and run several drills to measure speed and lateral quickness.
Insider has obtained this confidential report from a league source. The NBA no longer creates a composite score to rank the top athletes in the draft., so we’ll break it down for you by category.
Kansas’ Josh Selby and Georgia Tech’s Iman Shumpert recorded the biggest maximum vertical with a whopping 42 inches. Georgia’s Travis Leslie (40½ inches) and Washington’s Isiah Thomas (40) also reached or topped 40 inches. A number of other players leaped 38 or more inches in the maximum vertical jump: Kemba Walker (39½), Jimmy Butler andShelvin Mack (39), Marshon Brooks and Norris Cole (38½) and JaJuan Johnson (38). Nikola Vucevic (25 inches) had the worst max vert in the combine.
Arizona’s Derrick Williams and Richmond’s Justin Harper tested as the strongest athletes in the camp. Both players bench pressed a 185-pound bar 19 times. Shumpert and Shelvin Mack were next with 18 reps. Four players — Jereme Richmond, Tyler Honeycutt, E’Twaun Moore and Demetri McCamey — couldn’t lift the bar even one time.
In the lane agility testing, Cleveland State’s Cole has the best time finishing the drill in a blazing 10.07 seconds. Andrew Goudelock, Jimmer Fredette, Scotty Hopson and Isaiah Thomas all finished in less than 10.5 seconds. Maryland’s Jordan Williams finished dead last at 12.74 seconds.
In the new modified lane agility testing, Cole again had the best score finishing the drill in 5.05 seconds. Goudelock, Fredette, Brandon Knight and Cory Joseph all finished in less than 5.3 seconds. Jordan Williams again finished dead last at 6.51 second time.
In the three-quarter court sprints, Richmond led the way with a blinding 3.02-second run. Honeycutt and Knight tied for second at 3.07 seconds. VCU’s Jamie Skeen was last at 3.46 seconds.
Measuring up
Athletic task measurements of NBA prospects, in alphabetical order, taken from the NBA draft combine in Chicago.
Name Standing Vert Max Vert Bench Press (185 lb. reps) Lane Agility Modified Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Benson, Keith 31.5 36 12 11.88 5.77 3.35 Brooks, Marshon 34 38.5 5 10.74 5.37 3.09 Burks, Alec 29 36 5 10.96 5.45 3.17 Butler, Jimmy 32 39 14 11.12 5.42 3.15 Cole, Norris 29.5 38.5 11 10.07 5.05 3.22 Diebler, Jon 28 35 2 10.94 5.7 3.37 Dunigan, Michael 29.5 34.5 10 11.85 5.85 3.27 Dunn, LaceDarius 26.5 31 3 11.45 6.03 3.27 Faried, Kenneth 30.5 35 16 11.35 5.64 3.26 Fredette, Jimmer 28 33 14 10.42 5.11 3.21 Goudelock, Andrew 32.5 37 4 10.33 5.13 3.1 Hamilton, Jordan 25 32 7 11.47 5.65 3.3 Harper, Justin 28.5 33 19 11.92 6 3.3 Harris, Tobias 31.5 37.5 12 10.96 5.47 3.17 Honeycutt, Tyler 30 37 N/A 11.68 5.49 3.07 Hopson, Scotty 32.5 36 10 10.47 5.34 3.18 Irving, Kyrie N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Jackson, Rick 28.5 33 9 11.51 5.68 3.26 Jenkins, Charles 29.5 34 16 11.68 5.84 3.18 Johnson, JaJuan 33.5 38 15 11.21 5.69 3.14 Joseph, Cory 27.5 35 5 10.75 5.27 3.27 Kanter, Enes 26 32.5 14 11.3 5.66 3.26 Knight, Brandon 29 37.5 10 10.74 5.27 3.07 Lee, Malcolm 30 35.5 17 11.2 5.73 3.09 Leonard, Kawhi 25.5 32 3 11.45 5.71 3.15 Leslie, Travis 33 40.5 10 11 5.53 3.13 Leuer, Jon 29.5 36.5 14 10.82 5.34 3.36 Liggins, DeAndre 27 31 6 N/A N/A 3.33 Lighty, David 28.5 33 15 10.81 5.35 3.25 Mack, Shelvin 32 39 17 11.23 5.45 3.18 McCamey, Demetri 27 33 N/A 11.55 5.88 3.19 Moore, E’Twaun 32 34.5 N/A 11.12 5.63 3.31 Morris, Darius 24.5 32 12 11 5.52 3.2 Morris, Marcus 29 33 11 N/A N/A 3.15 Morris, Markieff 27 31.5 11 N/A N/A 3.4 Parsons, Chandler 25.5 31.5 4 11.05 5.55 3.29 Richmond, Jereme 27 33.5 0 11.74 5.99 3.02 Selby, Josh 29.5 42 5 11.13 5.66 3.2 Shumpert, Iman 36.5 42 18 11.1 5.53 3.18 Singler, Kyle 23 30 10 11.22 5.65 3.21 Singleton, Chris 30.5 37.5 15 11.33 5.59 3.09 Skeen, Jamie 26 30.5 10 12.43 6.1 3.46 Smith, Greg 29.5 36 17 12.43 6.35 3.36 Smith, Nolan 28.5 34 9 11.05 5.43 3.17 Thomas, Isaiah 31.5 40 13 10.49 5.42 3.14 Thomas, Malcolm 32 36.5 3 11.31 5.68 3.29 Thompkins, Trey 27.5 30.5 15 11.72 5.89 3.41 Thompson, Klay 26.5 31.5 5 10.99 5.55 3.24 Thompson, Tristan 30 35 9 10.92 5.4 3.26 Tyler, Jeremy 28 33.5 10 11.26 5.59 3.29 Vucevic, Nikola 23.5 25 8 12.02 6.11 3.27 Walker, Kemba 32 39.5 7 10.87 5.46 3.16 Williams, Derrick 29 34.5 19 11.03 5.49 3.23 Williams, Jordan 25 30.5 10 12.74 6.51 3.45 Analysis
The top ranked player in the draft, Duke’s Kyrie Irving, did not participate in drills. But virtually every other top candidate in the draft did.
Arizona’s Williams tested well but not off the charts. He tested with a max 34½-inch vertical, topped the draft with 19 reps on the bench press. His 3.45 second sprint wasn’t very impressive. His 11.03 second agility drill was solid.
Turkey’s Enes Kanter was solid in these tests, with 14 reps on the bench press but only a 32½- inch vertical. His numbers were considerably better than DeMarcus Cousins’ and Greg Monroe’s last year.
BYU’s Fredette came out of the testing vindicated. He predicted he would show well here, and he did. His lateral quickness numbers were second only to Cole’s. His 3.2 second sprint was solid. He was one of the strongest guards in the draft with 13 reps on the bench. His vertical numbers aren’t great (33 inches) but overall it looks like he has the quickness and strength to play the position.
Florida State’s Chris Singleton looked great with a 37½-inch vertical and a very fast 3.1-second three-quarter court sprint. Ditto for Tennesse’s Tobias Harris, who looks like a much better athlete than he’s given credit for with a 37½-inch vert, a 10.96-second lane agility time and 3.17-second three-quarter court sprint.
Providence’s Brooks is one of the best athletes in the draft as well. His 38½-inch vertical, his 10.74 agility time and his 3.09-second three-quarter court sprint were all impressive.
JaJuan Johnson also helped himself. His great vertical (38 inches), solid strength testing (15 reps on bench press) and his shooting numbers are all very impressive. Factor in his excellent measurements and a very solid four-year career at Purdue and I’m not sure why teams aren’t higher on him.
In a bit of a surprise, Kawhi Leonard measured only a 32-inch vertical and could bench the 185-pound bar only three times.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/28/2011 - 1:22pm #537213
aamir543ParticipantI thought they posted the measurement for free on espn.com?
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 7:42am #541070
erminatorParticipanthi guys
i need the full article of these topic from chad ford:
where can i find these espn insider news 4 free in the future?
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 8:57am #541112
providencefriars1ParticipantI copy and pasted this article from ESPN.com, written by Chad Ford.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=6634270
After two years of running his team with essentially both arms tied behind his back, Detroit Pistons president Joe Dumars is finally free to begin re-making the Pistons alongside new owner Tom Gores.
For the past two years, Dumars has been unable to rebuild his team while Bill Davidson’s wife had the team up for sale. With the NBA announcing that the sale is finally complete, Dumars is ready to get rebuilding.
Not only has Gores given strong support to Dumars, but he’s not pressuring Dumars to take shortcuts. Dumars is going to have the green light to build the team the right way over the next three years.
How will it affect the Pistons’ draft? Like every team, they would be open to a trade for the right offer. If they stay at eight, there are really five guys on their radar at the moment. Most of the guys they are looking at are bigs — Jan Vesely, Jonas Valanciunas, Bismack Biyombo and Tristan Thompson. The one lone name that’s a guard is that of Kemba Walker.
Who would Joe D take?
Dumars likes winners and if Kemba Walker fell that far (a big if) he’d be seriously in the mix despite the fact that point guard isn’t a pressing need for the Pistons. Vesely is ready to play right now and has major upside, but he doesn’t exactly fit a need, either.
Biyombo and Thompson are the best fits on their frontline next to last year’s lottery pick — Greg Monroe. Biyombo is bigger and more advanced defensively, while Thompson is a better offensive rebounder and a better scorer. But both are long-term projects.
Valanciunas may be the best prospect of the bunch — but he also has the biggest learning curve.
Do the Pistons go for immediate help now? Do they select for need? Or do they go with the best prospect on the board?
We’re two weeks away from the draft and the Pistons are still trying to figure that out.
Dumars has already been to Europe to scout both Valanciunas and Vesely. Two key members of the Pistons’ staff — Scott Perry and George David — will travel to Spain later this week to check out Biyombo in Valencia, Spain. However, thanks to an ongoing coaching search, Dumars won’t be joining the rest of his staff on the trip.
Walker will be in to workout on Wednesday against Colorado’s Alec Burks. Thompson will be in on June 21.
Workout posturing
There can be a lot of anxiety and drama over draft workouts this time of year. While they look pretty sexy at first glance, for most teams they are a small part of a much larger process.
Still, both teams and players take them seriously and there can be major politics involved. Virtually all of it is agent-driven. When players refuse to work out against certain players or insist on working out alone or skip a team workout, it is almost always the agent — not the player — making the call.
Factor in schedule changes, injuries and the occasional promise from a NBA team and it can all be a bit head-spinning.
Take, for example, UConn’s Walker and Kentucky’s Brandon Knight.
Walker’s camp changed the date of a workout in Sacramento on June 9 to June 13.
Some wrote that Walker was dodging his workout partner for the 9th — Jimmer Fredette. Others posited that he’d gotten a promise from the last team he worked out with (the Charlotte Bobcats) and was sitting out the rest of workouts. Neither theory is true.
The bigger story? Walker changed the workout date in Sacramento to facilitate a shot at working out with a player who has been reluctant to work out with anyone — Knight.
Over the weekend, Kemba’s camp learned that Knight will be in Toronto on the 7th working out with the Raptors. Walker has been seeking a workout with Knight for weeks. The problem is that Knight is refusing to work out against anyone prior to the draft. Walker’s coming in any way — even though it looks like the two won’t actually workout together.
The move forced him to reschedule his workout in Detroit from the 7th to the 8th.
That put him in a quandary for the Kings workout on the 9th. No player does three straight workouts in three days. So the workout with the Kings was moved to the 13th.
For those mourning the loss of a Kemba-Jimmer head-to-head in Sacramento (one none of us will actually get to see) … you may still get your wish. As of right now, both players are scheduled to workout for the Jazz on the 15th.
And for those of you wanting a Kemba-Knight rematch, you may get your wish too. The Jazz have told Knight’s camp that they strongly prefer that Kemba and Knight workout together and have a bit more leverage to make it happen.
But even if it doesn’t happen, all is not lost. Feel free to pop in the Final Four game when the two players went head-to-head. That should tell you more than a one-hour workout would, anyway.
Notables
• There was a big workout in Charlotte on Sunday that could help chart the course for the Bobcats future. Kawhi Leonard, Jordan Hamilton, Chris Singleton, Tobias Harris, Josh Selby and Klay Thompson headlined the workout. Two other critical players — Alec Burks and Marshon Brooks — sat out the workout due to minor injuries.
[+] EnlargeHarry How/Getty ImagesKawhi Leonard had a great workout for the Bobcats on Sunday, but chances are he won’t be around by the time Charlotte picks at No. 9.Add in Kemba Walker, Tristan Thompson and Nikola Vucevic’s visit on June 3, and Markieff Morris and Kenneth Faried’s visit on June 2, and the Bobcats, within a week, saw virtually all of the prospects on the table with the 9th and 19th picks. The only key player missing was Marcus Morris.
Leonard, Singleton and Thompson all drew praise from Bobcats sources. I’m told the Bobcats are going to be pretty conservative with the 9th pick. They’ll be content with a single or a double and will likely go for a proven prospect who can be an impact player out of the gate. Even if that means drafting a player with a bit lower ceiling. In other words, don’t expect them to take a swing for the fences with a player like Biyombo or even Selby.
Of the group, Leonard and Walker are at the top of their list, but neither player is projected to be on the board at No. 9. That should leave the two Thompsons (Klay and Tristan), Hamilton, Singleton and the Morris twins battling it out to be the 9th pick.
Faried, Markieff Morris, Brooks and Vucevic are all serious possibilities with the 19th pick.
• Speaking of Burks and Brooks — neither injury is serious. Burks bruised his shoulder in a workout with the Bucks. While at least one media outlet reported he had dislocated his shoulder, an x-ray taken in Charlotte says it’s just bruised. He’s expected to return to working out in Detroit on Wednesday.
Brooks had a slight ankle sprain and is expected to play in Indiana’s workout on Tuesday.
• With the recent announcement that Donnie Walsh is leaving the Knicks, a legitimate question has arisen among other NBA GMs: Who is running the draft for New York?
I spoke to several sources inside the Knicks’ organization this week and they’ve all said the same thing — Walsh is. The Knicks aren’t expected to hire their new GM until after the draft. Walsh and his team have spent all year scouting and it’s too late to change course now.
The Knicks are essentially looking at five players at No. 17 — Klay Thompson, Jimmer Fredette, Josh Selby, Marshon Brooks and Kenneth Faried.
Both Thompson and Fredette are unlikely to be on the board when the Knicks pick — which means this could be a three-way race between Selby, Brooks and Faried. Selby and Brooks both impressed in their workouts with the Knicks last week.
Faried is scheduled for later this month.
The direction in which the Knicks appear to be leaning is clear. It looks like they are in the market for a scoring guard — which is a bit odd considering that Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and, to a lesser extent, Chauncey Billups, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker, are all scorers too. Faried is the only guy in that group that brings something to the table that other Knicks aren’t already bringing (motor, defense, rebounding, shot blocking).
More likely, the Knicks are looking to hit a home run here. Selby and Brooks are scorers with major upsides. Both present risks (which is why they’re in the Knicks’ range and not in the lottery) but both offer them a chance to get a potential lottery talent in the mid-first round.
• So far Turkey’s Enes Kanter has been working out against proverbial chairs. His one-on-none workouts for the Utah Jazz and Toronto Raptors in Chicago haven’t hurt him. But they haven’t exactly helped him, either. The Jazz and Raptors both came away praising Kanter privately, but also admitted there wasn’t a lot to go on from a basketball perspective.
That will change on Tuesday when Kanter does his first workout against live competition — Texas’ forward Tristan Thompson and Kansas forward Marcus Morris.
Kanter’s workouts mean more than they would for most prospects. With so little meaningful game film to dissect — and much of it from when he was a 17-year-old in high school — these types of settings are important.
Kanter’s workout in Cleveland should be a good one to gauge his abilities. The Cavaliers are seriously looking at Kanter at No. 4 and this could go a long way toward convincing him he’s their guy. If he struggles, don’t be surprised to see them opt for either Jonas Valanciunas or Jan Vesely instead.
• San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard started working out for the first time on Sunday. As we reported earlier in the blog, he had an excellent workout in Charlotte against a number of top forwards including Jordan Hamilton, Chris Singleton and Tobias Harris.
His next big test comes on Tuesday in Washington with the Wizards. Leonard is a guy the Wizards are looking at very closely with the sixth pick in the draft. A great workout there could seal the deal.
He also has an intriguing workout next week with the Cavs. While No. 4 seems high for Leonard, don’t totally discount it. One Cavs source says he’s in the mix. He fits a need, can play right now and still has upside.
Also, keep a close watch on the Kings. If both Knight and Walker are off the board, he could be a real possibility there, too.
• Still trying to figure out the draft range for Tristan Thompson. He’s already worked out with the Milwaukee Bucks, Wizards and Bobcats. His next workout is on Tuesday at Cleveland. After that he’ll work out next Monday, June 13 in Phoenix. He also has the Raptors on the 15th, the Kings on the 18th and the Pistons on the 21st.
It’s an interesting spread for him. He’s essentially taken workouts from the 4th pick to the 13th pick. Considering that there are a few teams below that point in the draft that wanted him to work out (Pacers, Sixers) but didn’t get him in, his camp must feel pretty strongly that the Suns, at No. 13, are his floor.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2011 - 9:15am #542600
kimmyParticipantCould someone please post Ford’s latest Draft Blog entry:
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