Celts Bulls trade
So i was thinking of a way to help out both teams.
How bout a Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass and Fab Melo for Boozer and a future pick
Why it works for the celtics- they trade Bass' contract which gives him roughly 7 a mill for the next two seasons, and Lees which is roughly 5.5 for the next three for Boozer who only has two more years left on his deal, so at the least in two years it basically just frees them from lees contract a year ealy and gives them a ton of cap for 2015. Or next year they have a huge expiring contract, the 10 mill trade exception and tons of assets of picks and young players to trade.
For the bulls.... Gets rid of Boozers contract for Bass who can fill a good role on the bulls and still expires the same year of Boozers and keeps depth in the frontcourt, Lee a very serviceable two gaurd that adds depth to their rotation and could possibly start for this team based on their lack of 2 gaurds and Fab Melo for just a developing big body to add to the rotation.
Chi lineup after
Noah, Mohammed, Melo
Just a better lineup for them
Stil not much better but in 2015 gives them just 14.5 mill on the books including Wallaces expiring
contract and a developed Sully and Olynyk, if they find any suitors for Wallaces It would be just 4.5 plus whoever we draft in 14 and 15... Tops our pay roll would be 25 mill with 5 young developing guys( olynyk, sully, 2 '14 picks and one '15) and wallaces expiring deal, enough still for two max players....
Hamilton isn't on the bulls anymore
Otherwise I think it Would work out if butler started at shooting guard
Great call slipped my mind they waived him last week... Another reason why the bulls would be inclined to do this... It also saves them a bit of money the next two years
Hamilton is gone, where is tony snell... Bulls first round pick!
Thib's said Butler is starting and he likes Boozer for whatever reason. http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/68972/qa-tom-thibod...
He said in the interview that you want players to complement your best three core players offensively and so whoever they bring will do that for Derrick, Deng and "Boozer". Yeah he said Boozer. Personally I would do the trade and free up minutes for Gibson but Boozer did well offensively when Rose was out and Thibs system makes up for a lot defensively. Having Lee and Butler play shooting guard will be great defensively and Lee would thrive and be a good shooter next to Rose. The Bulls has stated before that if there team is healthy they can compete with any team. Noah made even more strides last year as a leader and player so the future is bright in Chicago no matter what. I think both would turn this down. Boston because no body wants Boozer except Chicago and Chi because why give up a pick when you are going to be basically cash strapped forever and you need young cheap talent to build ala OKC.
We as fans love changes of scenario an different schemes but coaches don't.
He likes Boozer because he averaged 16 and 10 last season and played 79 games. He isn't thinking about Boozer's salary like a GM would, he's thinking about Boozer's contributions to the team through a coach's eyes. I will agree that I'm not in love with Boozer's defense and overall effort, but numbers like 16 and 10 can't just be disregarded. He is their best low post option on a team that has no other (Noah and Taj don't have developed post games). This is the reason that he has not been amnestied or traded for pennies on the dollar. The Bulls can contend for a title right now, so why would they just let one of their starters go for little or nothing? This trade also doesn't do too much for them, so I'd rather keep him and see what happens.
Carlos Boozer, 31 years old - 16.2 PPG, 9.8 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 47.7 FG%
Zach Randolph, 31 years old - 15.4 PPG, 11.2 RPG, 1.4 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 46 FG%
Boozer - 714 games, 32.3 MPG, 16.9 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 2.4 APG, 52.9 FG%
Randolph - 766 games, 31.7 MPG, 17.2 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 1.7 APG, 47.2 FG%
Funny how Boozer put up almost identical numbers to Z-Bo, is the same age, is no worse a defender and makes $2 million less in 2014 and almost exactly the same in 2015. yet Z-Bo is considered an integral part of the Grizzlies squad while people look at Boozer like a cancer in the Bulls lineup.
Is Boozer worth his contract? Probably not. Can the Bulls get rid of him and find a replacement that can replicate his production while fitting under the cap? Also probably not. In the current market they're not going to get good value for what Boozer brings to them, so it makes sense to hold on to him for the time being, not trade him for a temporary stop gap.
You've got a point there... But it would be interesting to see those same stats in postseason form. Boozer did a lot better this year because there was nobody he could hide behind (Rose being out obviously), so he had to step up and take things into his own hands. I think it is very good he did that and he does complement Noah well enough for them to keep reaching the playoffs, but if I were them, I'd be constantly searching for an upgrade as well.
Oh you're right. If they can upgrade they should try to do so. Just most of the trade ideas I see around here (and on other sites) have them trading him away for pennies on the dollar as if getting rid of him would be addition by subtraction even if they get little to nothing in return.
I almost feel as if Deng is more likely to be traded with the way Butler emerged. Butler is more of a 3 anyway. I just don't know who you can get for Deng. They could use a quality 2 guard but there aren't many out there. Especially not many near Deng's level.
The Bulls will have to consider what to do with Deng as they already have $56 million in salary committed to D-Rose Boozer, Gibson and Noah for 2014/15. I doubt they let him walk unless someone gives him a major but if you consider he will make $14 million this season and will be looking for something in $12 to $14 million range per year for his next deal which could be his last big NBA deal as he will be 29 next summer.
Plus Chicago will want to try and make the most of D-Rose's prime years and to bring a major FA in would need to wait until summer 2015 when Boozer expires as I doubt they amnesty him unless his form falls off due to trying to get the best out of D-Rose.
If Butler could be the starting SF then if they get a good package for Deng then they could consider it and it frees up cap room as Butler is still on his rookie deal. A lot could also depend on when Nikola Mirotic comes over and how well he settles in as his lesser deal could allow more FA moves in say 2015. Plus the much vaunted pick from the Bobcats is only top 10 protected next year and maybe more realistically top 8 protected in 2015, so who knows what that might throw up. Looking at later lottery guys in both those drafts there are already some nice prospects there behind the high profile guys at the top of the draft. Or it could be a great trading chip in a trade to get a proven guy onto the roster.