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  • #59056
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    tfo1983
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    I see them picking between 7-10 this year. Probably 10, we have a history of getting lottery screwed. Besides pg, they could really go for anything. Here’s my realstic top 5 possibility and my dream pick.

    Dream pick: D’Angelo Russell…..trade up to get this man

    1. Myles Turner

    2. Mario Hezonja 

    3. Justise Winslow

    4. Kevon Looney

    5. Willie Cauley-Stein (won’t hate this pick)

     

    They also get the Clippers pick, which could be in the low 20s. Here are some guys like there:

    1. Jerian Grant (love this guy)

    2. Cliff Alexander (still a great prospect)

    3. Terry Rozer (don’t need a pg, but he’s too good to pass on)

    4. Justin Anderson (great athlete, great defender, great shot)

    5. Frank Kaminsky (Can play two positions, great all around game)

     

    2nd rounders I like:

    1. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (A former lotto hype player with lots of potential)

    2. Jordan Mickey (Could be a sleeper with great rebounding and defensive potential_

    3. Dakari Johnson (C prospect that protects the rim)

    4. Ryan Boatright (potentially solid backup pg and good value there)

    5. Perry Ellis (he’s just the man and I’m not even a Kansas fan)

     

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     I would go with Willie Cauley Stein.  Have him anchor the middle with Marcus Smart hounding the other team’s backcourt.  

    2nd pick?  Look at help at the 3.  Sam Dekker would be a guy to look at.  

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     I would go with Willie Cauley Stein.  Have him anchor the middle with Marcus Smart hounding the other team’s backcourt.  

    2nd pick?  Look at help at the 3.  Sam Dekker would be a guy to look at.  

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  • #965650
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     I won’t mind Dekker, but we did just pick James Young for the 3 spot. For that 2nd pick, I just want the best player available.

    Our future: 

    Pg- Smart

    Sg- OPEN (Bradley has got to go)

    Sf- Young (He could play #2 spot, but I think he projects as more of a 3)

    Pf- Sully, Olynyk (I see Kelly as more of 4)

    C- OPEN (Zeller could be a back up) ***Cauley Stein would be a solid choice there**

     

    With that 2nd pick, I would say Justin Anderson would be a perfect fit, but I also think Jerian Grant could play the 2 spot and is a major sleeper. However, I would not hate Dekker. 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #965501
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     I won’t mind Dekker, but we did just pick James Young for the 3 spot. For that 2nd pick, I just want the best player available.

    Our future: 

    Pg- Smart

    Sg- OPEN (Bradley has got to go)

    Sf- Young (He could play #2 spot, but I think he projects as more of a 3)

    Pf- Sully, Olynyk (I see Kelly as more of 4)

    C- OPEN (Zeller could be a back up) ***Cauley Stein would be a solid choice there**

     

    With that 2nd pick, I would say Justin Anderson would be a perfect fit, but I also think Jerian Grant could play the 2 spot and is a major sleeper. However, I would not hate Dekker. 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #965678
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    i actually think kevon looney is the best option for boston, given how sully and olynyk like to drift to the perimeter at times.  plus, with small guards and plodding bigs, an athletic sf like looney could really help on the boards.  if looney is off the board, herzonja and oubre would be the next 2 guys on my list with wcs as the 4th option.  herzonja and oubre make sense to offset the shooting abilities of bradley (who seems to be improving) and smart.  wcs would be a good defensive prescense.

    with the next pick, makes sense to go with the best available.  jerian grant and justin anderson would be great.  grant has good size and can play the 2 while being the primary backup to smart.  anderson brings athleticism and a perimeter defensive prescense.  i also like rj hunter and buddy hield for more perimeter offense and cliff alexander and christian wood for low post guys that can rebound.  in the event, wcs is the 1st pick, sam dekker would be a great addition here.

    obviously, this pick would come down to who was picked prior.  in the case of a sf and pf, i’d take chaisson randle to add some scoring pop to the second unit.  if sf and guard, dakari johnson or robert upshaw would be nice adds.  we all know about upshaw and he may give celts’ fans bad memories of fab melo so dakari would be the hands down favorite.  also like rakeem christmas here, petteway and randle’s backcourt mate andrew brown as wing options.

    my perfect scenario would be looney, grant and dakari.  

     

     

     

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  • #965529
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    i actually think kevon looney is the best option for boston, given how sully and olynyk like to drift to the perimeter at times.  plus, with small guards and plodding bigs, an athletic sf like looney could really help on the boards.  if looney is off the board, herzonja and oubre would be the next 2 guys on my list with wcs as the 4th option.  herzonja and oubre make sense to offset the shooting abilities of bradley (who seems to be improving) and smart.  wcs would be a good defensive prescense.

    with the next pick, makes sense to go with the best available.  jerian grant and justin anderson would be great.  grant has good size and can play the 2 while being the primary backup to smart.  anderson brings athleticism and a perimeter defensive prescense.  i also like rj hunter and buddy hield for more perimeter offense and cliff alexander and christian wood for low post guys that can rebound.  in the event, wcs is the 1st pick, sam dekker would be a great addition here.

    obviously, this pick would come down to who was picked prior.  in the case of a sf and pf, i’d take chaisson randle to add some scoring pop to the second unit.  if sf and guard, dakari johnson or robert upshaw would be nice adds.  we all know about upshaw and he may give celts’ fans bad memories of fab melo so dakari would be the hands down favorite.  also like rakeem christmas here, petteway and randle’s backcourt mate andrew brown as wing options.

    my perfect scenario would be looney, grant and dakari.  

     

     

     

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  • #965688
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    tfo1983
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    However, I’m much higher on Herzonja, because I think he has the potential to develop into an elite scorer in the NBA. I have to admitt that I need to look at Looney a bit more, but I’ve been following Herzonja for a couple years now and I think he is the real deal. The Celtics do not have a go-to guy to put the ball in the basket and I think Herzonja could at least develop into a solid #2 option as they continue to look for a #1 option. If we end up with Looney, I can’t be mad about that either. 

    Juves, you don’t like Mickey in the 2nd round?

     

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  • #965539
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    However, I’m much higher on Herzonja, because I think he has the potential to develop into an elite scorer in the NBA. I have to admitt that I need to look at Looney a bit more, but I’ve been following Herzonja for a couple years now and I think he is the real deal. The Celtics do not have a go-to guy to put the ball in the basket and I think Herzonja could at least develop into a solid #2 option as they continue to look for a #1 option. If we end up with Looney, I can’t be mad about that either. 

    Juves, you don’t like Mickey in the 2nd round?

     

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    • #965714
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      i like mickey’s game.  i’m not sure if he’ll be around by the time the 2nd round comes.  he’s been averaging 22 and 12 the last 5 games and is starting to look like a nice option at the back end of the 1st.  i think he’d be a good option with their 2nd first though.

      i could see portland, cleveland, brooklyn and golden st. giving mickey a hard look at the back end of the draft.

      i agree with herzonja though.  from what i’ve seen, he looks pretty legit.  he may be more of a finished product right now than looney but looney just oozes potential.  he measured 6-10 with a 7-3 wingspan in 2013 and is still growing.  i’m an espn insider guy and chad ford loves his potential.  evidently, he has pretty good handles because he used to play point guard in high school as well.  i think that’s hard to see in the ucla system with 3 guards out there.  i guess we’ll see during the combine.  

       

       

       

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    • #965566
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      i like mickey’s game.  i’m not sure if he’ll be around by the time the 2nd round comes.  he’s been averaging 22 and 12 the last 5 games and is starting to look like a nice option at the back end of the 1st.  i think he’d be a good option with their 2nd first though.

      i could see portland, cleveland, brooklyn and golden st. giving mickey a hard look at the back end of the draft.

      i agree with herzonja though.  from what i’ve seen, he looks pretty legit.  he may be more of a finished product right now than looney but looney just oozes potential.  he measured 6-10 with a 7-3 wingspan in 2013 and is still growing.  i’m an espn insider guy and chad ford loves his potential.  evidently, he has pretty good handles because he used to play point guard in high school as well.  i think that’s hard to see in the ucla system with 3 guards out there.  i guess we’ll see during the combine.  

       

       

       

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      • #965762
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        tfo1983
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        Jay? 

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        tfo1983
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        Jay? 

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  • #965718
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     We need rim protection and this is the draft to get it. Myles Turner, WCS if we pick in 5-10 and then Towns if we luck into the top-3.

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  • #965570
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    omphalos
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     We need rim protection and this is the draft to get it. Myles Turner, WCS if we pick in 5-10 and then Towns if we luck into the top-3.

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  • #965728
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     In a dream scenerio the Celtics would get Myles Turner with their own pick. He can block shots, which is something the Celtics desperately need, and has good range on his shot, which is incremental to Brad Stevens’ offense. His ability to stretch the D would allow Smart and the other Celtic guards to penatrate more effectively as well. 

    Also, as a Celtics fan, I’m not sold on Sully. His on court demeaner is just putrid, and you can tell he just doesn’t want to play here, or for a team that’s losing. Olynyk is a good bench piece, and excepts that, but I don’t think Sullinger will, so I wouldn’t hate it if the C’s used their second pick to draft someone like Montrezl Harrell if he slips, or Bobby Portis.

    I wouldn’t mind WCS either

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  • #965579
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     In a dream scenerio the Celtics would get Myles Turner with their own pick. He can block shots, which is something the Celtics desperately need, and has good range on his shot, which is incremental to Brad Stevens’ offense. His ability to stretch the D would allow Smart and the other Celtic guards to penatrate more effectively as well. 

    Also, as a Celtics fan, I’m not sold on Sully. His on court demeaner is just putrid, and you can tell he just doesn’t want to play here, or for a team that’s losing. Olynyk is a good bench piece, and excepts that, but I don’t think Sullinger will, so I wouldn’t hate it if the C’s used their second pick to draft someone like Montrezl Harrell if he slips, or Bobby Portis.

    I wouldn’t mind WCS either

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    • #965764
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      Myles Turner is my #3. More realisticly, he goes 4-6. Boston could get a little lucky. 

      If you were between Looney and WCS, I’d think the Celtics would want Looney. You may be able to build your team’s offense around Looney. The type of team who should go for WCS is a team with an established offensive identity. 

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    • #965616
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      Myles Turner is my #3. More realisticly, he goes 4-6. Boston could get a little lucky. 

      If you were between Looney and WCS, I’d think the Celtics would want Looney. You may be able to build your team’s offense around Looney. The type of team who should go for WCS is a team with an established offensive identity. 

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    • #965766
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      You sir are a true Cs and hoops fan. I agree with what you said about Sully and Olynyk 100%.

      I think Turner would be an amazing pick, but I’m not sure he would be there. WCS would be a great pick as a rim protector. You should probably look at Looney more if you like Turner so much. Not nearly the shooter that Turner is, but he does share a lot of his other qualities. 

      With second 1st rounder, I just want the best player/athlete/scorer. We don’t have a true scorer on this team. Also, I would not mind another long, athletic wing with defensive ability like Anderson or Grant. Of course, I would like them to get rid of Bradley. I don’t hate his game, but at this point he’s not worth the investment and a bit overrated. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

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    • #965618
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      You sir are a true Cs and hoops fan. I agree with what you said about Sully and Olynyk 100%.

      I think Turner would be an amazing pick, but I’m not sure he would be there. WCS would be a great pick as a rim protector. You should probably look at Looney more if you like Turner so much. Not nearly the shooter that Turner is, but he does share a lot of his other qualities. 

      With second 1st rounder, I just want the best player/athlete/scorer. We don’t have a true scorer on this team. Also, I would not mind another long, athletic wing with defensive ability like Anderson or Grant. Of course, I would like them to get rid of Bradley. I don’t hate his game, but at this point he’s not worth the investment and a bit overrated. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

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  • #965740
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    As a Celtics fan my dream pick would be Russell.

    My realistic pick would be Hezonja then probably Looney, Celtics need to hit a homerun they need high upside guy. I pass on WCS Im not a fan he’s way to limited offensivly for this team. I’m in the minority when it comes to Turner I would pass on him. I probably need to see more of him.

    With the Clippers pick I would take Frank Kaminsky. He would fit the need for a Center while also allowing us to free up Sully or KO as potential trade bait to pair with a future pick for the next "star" disgruntled player that comes up. I may be a homer but I would think Sully and KO would has some value. 

     

     

     

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  • #965592
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    As a Celtics fan my dream pick would be Russell.

    My realistic pick would be Hezonja then probably Looney, Celtics need to hit a homerun they need high upside guy. I pass on WCS Im not a fan he’s way to limited offensivly for this team. I’m in the minority when it comes to Turner I would pass on him. I probably need to see more of him.

    With the Clippers pick I would take Frank Kaminsky. He would fit the need for a Center while also allowing us to free up Sully or KO as potential trade bait to pair with a future pick for the next "star" disgruntled player that comes up. I may be a homer but I would think Sully and KO would has some value. 

     

     

     

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    • #965768
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      I do think they both have value, but who needs them? What’s the price? I think as Boston fans that these guys have great value throughout the league, but I’m not convinced that is true. I could be wrong, but I’m just not sure. 

      Ask yourself these question:

      1. Would take Sully or Olynyk and a late lotto pick for a top 5 or even 7 pick? I would say no.

      2. If you were Danny, would you trade Sully or Olynyk for a late 1st rounder? No, it’s not worth it.

      I’m not convinced the right deal exist for these guys. Then again the Cs traded Rondo for a can of magical Texas BBQ beans.

       

       

       

       

        

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    • #965620
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      I do think they both have value, but who needs them? What’s the price? I think as Boston fans that these guys have great value throughout the league, but I’m not convinced that is true. I could be wrong, but I’m just not sure. 

      Ask yourself these question:

      1. Would take Sully or Olynyk and a late lotto pick for a top 5 or even 7 pick? I would say no.

      2. If you were Danny, would you trade Sully or Olynyk for a late 1st rounder? No, it’s not worth it.

      I’m not convinced the right deal exist for these guys. Then again the Cs traded Rondo for a can of magical Texas BBQ beans.

       

       

       

       

        

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      • #965895
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         I think you pegged their value pretty well to be honest, and I like how you break it down. If you go a little further though you would see what most people see. Ask these questions to yourself:

        Do you think either Sully/Olynyk are starters in this league?

        Personally, I don’t think either one would be a high end starter. Both players are physically limited, and probably won’t get much better than they already are because of this. Is sully really that much better than Glen Davis was in his prime? Big Baby put up around 15/7 on 45% shooting when he started, Sully is putting up 14/8 on 45% shooting this year. 

        I think Sully isn’t in the Celtics long term plans, and could see us trading him in the near future. The Celtics have a bunch of picks in the upcoming drafts, so I could see them packaging him and a few of those picks to get a player they really wanted. He is still only 22, and under contract for another year. That has to be enticing, even if he does end up as a glorified bench player in the future.  

        Also, do you think any of the PF in this draft are better prospects than either of those two?

        If yes, than you have to take the BPA. If the Celtics believe a guy like Montrezel Harrell/Looney is a better prospect and he’s there with the Clippers’ pick, you have to take him and worry about fit later. Celtics aren’t in a position to draft for need right now because what they really NEED is more talent, regaurdless of position. 

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         I think you pegged their value pretty well to be honest, and I like how you break it down. If you go a little further though you would see what most people see. Ask these questions to yourself:

        Do you think either Sully/Olynyk are starters in this league?

        Personally, I don’t think either one would be a high end starter. Both players are physically limited, and probably won’t get much better than they already are because of this. Is sully really that much better than Glen Davis was in his prime? Big Baby put up around 15/7 on 45% shooting when he started, Sully is putting up 14/8 on 45% shooting this year. 

        I think Sully isn’t in the Celtics long term plans, and could see us trading him in the near future. The Celtics have a bunch of picks in the upcoming drafts, so I could see them packaging him and a few of those picks to get a player they really wanted. He is still only 22, and under contract for another year. That has to be enticing, even if he does end up as a glorified bench player in the future.  

        Also, do you think any of the PF in this draft are better prospects than either of those two?

        If yes, than you have to take the BPA. If the Celtics believe a guy like Montrezel Harrell/Looney is a better prospect and he’s there with the Clippers’ pick, you have to take him and worry about fit later. Celtics aren’t in a position to draft for need right now because what they really NEED is more talent, regaurdless of position. 

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        • #965916
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          tfo1983
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          I like your style.

          No, I don’t think Sully or Olynyk are solid starting options. However, I think Olynyk is a GREAT bench option. He’s an unselfish, skilled, hustling big who is improving and will provide energy off the bench. He’s not a 6th man, but you need more one guy off your bench to be competitive.

          Sully, trade him now! I don’t see his trade value improving, whatever that may be. Who would be a good fit for him? Ummmmm, how about the Clippers who just lost Blake? I could definitely see a Western contender using him off the bench well.

          I think quite a few guys could be better PFs than Sully or Olynyk (Towns- he’s a PF in the NBA, Looney, Turner, Harrell and maybe the kid from Latvia). Also, I like Cliff Alexander, Jordan Mickey and Rakeem Christmas as backend 1st rounders who could be sleepers at that position. 

          I think regardless of EITHER 1st round pick, you just take the best available player and worry later (Ex.- Smart!). 

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

            

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        • #966063
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          I like your style.

          No, I don’t think Sully or Olynyk are solid starting options. However, I think Olynyk is a GREAT bench option. He’s an unselfish, skilled, hustling big who is improving and will provide energy off the bench. He’s not a 6th man, but you need more one guy off your bench to be competitive.

          Sully, trade him now! I don’t see his trade value improving, whatever that may be. Who would be a good fit for him? Ummmmm, how about the Clippers who just lost Blake? I could definitely see a Western contender using him off the bench well.

          I think quite a few guys could be better PFs than Sully or Olynyk (Towns- he’s a PF in the NBA, Looney, Turner, Harrell and maybe the kid from Latvia). Also, I like Cliff Alexander, Jordan Mickey and Rakeem Christmas as backend 1st rounders who could be sleepers at that position. 

          I think regardless of EITHER 1st round pick, you just take the best available player and worry later (Ex.- Smart!). 

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

            

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  • #965655
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    Mr. HookShot
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    Maybe Booker for their second first round pick if he lasts that long? He would fit perfectly next to Smart.

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    • #965918
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      tfo1983
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       To be honest, he’s an idiot if he leaves. If he stays one more year and gets his minutes, I see him as sure Top 10 guy.

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      tfo1983
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       To be honest, he’s an idiot if he leaves. If he stays one more year and gets his minutes, I see him as sure Top 10 guy.

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    Mr. HookShot
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    Maybe Booker for their second first round pick if he lasts that long? He would fit perfectly next to Smart.

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    sitlbito
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    I understand the upside and everything but I think they go with BBA. Best big available. Or simpy best rim protector available. They look to have an OK defense,but they lack the most important piece of that end of the floor,that7 footer who’s gonna meet every driver at the rim.WCS would be my pick.

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    • #965920
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      tfo1983
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      You don’t need to force the rim protector pick. Just get the best guy.

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      tfo1983
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      You don’t need to force the rim protector pick. Just get the best guy.

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    I understand the upside and everything but I think they go with BBA. Best big available. Or simpy best rim protector available. They look to have an OK defense,but they lack the most important piece of that end of the floor,that7 footer who’s gonna meet every driver at the rim.WCS would be my pick.

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  • #965959
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     I think DeAngelo Russell or Stanley Johnson would be best case scenarios. That would take the Celts to land in the top 5, though.

    I feel the Smart, Bradley, Turner combo is just the best they can do right now, but not the type of back court that any team should be pumped about going forward.

    Bradley and Smart are both defensive minded players, who I like, but can play both the PG and SG positions. I feel a big 6’5” combo guard who can really shoot the ball, and aid in the distribution would be an absoulete best case scenario for Boston. He’d be great next to Smart or Bradley, and he’d be a guy who I feel has 1st option potential.

    Johnson is a little different, but I feel he’d be a good fit on the wing. I just think he has a lot of potential, and could develop into a two way wing. Although, I’m not confident he has 1st option potential, I think he could be a high teens scorer in his prime if he continues to improve on his impressive freshman year. 

    I think Boston’s front court is really soft, and ideally a defender down low would make sense. If they land outside the top 5, I say go with WCS. I think he’s the best defender in this draft, and worth a top 10 pick. He’s a guy who can switch off pick and rolls, guard the rim. Pick and roll defenders are huge, and often fall because they lack offensive potential, but do you think Jo Noah would still go 9 if he were drafted today, Taj Gibson 26? I don’t, and I don’t love this draft class. What I do love is WCS being an elite P/R defender in the NBA. 7, 8, 9? pull the trigger if you’re Boston. 

     

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    JoeWolf1

     I think DeAngelo Russell or Stanley Johnson would be best case scenarios. That would take the Celts to land in the top 5, though.

    I feel the Smart, Bradley, Turner combo is just the best they can do right now, but not the type of back court that any team should be pumped about going forward.

    Bradley and Smart are both defensive minded players, who I like, but can play both the PG and SG positions. I feel a big 6’5” combo guard who can really shoot the ball, and aid in the distribution would be an absoulete best case scenario for Boston. He’d be great next to Smart or Bradley, and he’d be a guy who I feel has 1st option potential.

    Johnson is a little different, but I feel he’d be a good fit on the wing. I just think he has a lot of potential, and could develop into a two way wing. Although, I’m not confident he has 1st option potential, I think he could be a high teens scorer in his prime if he continues to improve on his impressive freshman year. 

    I think Boston’s front court is really soft, and ideally a defender down low would make sense. If they land outside the top 5, I say go with WCS. I think he’s the best defender in this draft, and worth a top 10 pick. He’s a guy who can switch off pick and rolls, guard the rim. Pick and roll defenders are huge, and often fall because they lack offensive potential, but do you think Jo Noah would still go 9 if he were drafted today, Taj Gibson 26? I don’t, and I don’t love this draft class. What I do love is WCS being an elite P/R defender in the NBA. 7, 8, 9? pull the trigger if you’re Boston. 

     

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