[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 Trade:

 Celtics receive Okafor     Sixers receive Brooklyn’s 2017 swapped pick, Rozier, Hunter (for salary purposes)

Rationale:

Ainge is anxious to get the Celtics beyond 1st round fodder and this trade adds Okafor while allowing them to keep the 3rd pick this year to either add a player or use in another trade.

Sixers clear the logjam up front and get a season to figure out what they have while receiving another top pick in the more-loaded 2017 draft. 

With their pick, the Nets pick, a potential Lakers pick and a swap with the Kings the Sixers could add premium pieces around Simmons, Embiid and Noel.

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Let me guess you’re a Celtics fan. No way the Sixers do that. The Sixers can easyly get players of Rozier and Hunter’s level with their late first round picks, they have no value. So basicly the trade is a future 20 and 10 guy for a random pick next year. Not going to happen. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Agreed. Furthermore your trade better start with the 3rd pick this year and include Marcus Smart, at minimum.

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 Sixers don’t need the 3rd pick this year – its a two-player draft and next year’s draft is stacked.

The Brooklyn pick next year is worth more than the 3rd pick this year even if its 4th or 5th.

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Doesn’t matter. Is this Hinkie?

 

 They are done pushing picks to the next year, even if the pike would potentially be better. They want a competitive team and  they want players who can contribute this year period. They will not trade Okafor for a future pick. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Doesn’t matter. Is this Hinkie?

 

 They are done pushing picks to the next year, even if the pike would potentially be better. They want a competitive team and  they want players who can contribute this year period. They will not trade Okafor for a future pick. 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 Sixers don’t need the 3rd pick this year – its a two-player draft and next year’s draft is stacked.

The Brooklyn pick next year is worth more than the 3rd pick this year even if its 4th or 5th.

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Agreed. Furthermore your trade better start with the 3rd pick this year and include Marcus Smart, at minimum.

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 Rozier/Hunter/Young were just names to make the salary work for the trade.

I think people are sleeping on how good next year’s draft will be and the likelihood that the Brooklyn pick is top 3 again.

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

There is no way the Celtics are getting Okafor for a random pick next year. It’s not going to happen. It’s so far reality that it’s barely worth discussing. This is just a dream scenario by a Boston fan where they give up basically nothing and get another teams top scorer.

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 This is the second time you’ve used the term ‘random pick’. Is the Sixers’ rights to the Laker pick a ‘random pick’ as well? The Nets project to be bad and next year’s draft has been described as generational. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

Do you know for certain what the pick will be? If not then it’s random.

The only thing you can say for certain is that is going to be in the first round. For all we know BK will throw a lot of money and the lure of NYC at Durant and other free agents and make the playoffs next year. No it’s not likely but it can happen.

[EndlessknightParticipant]

Do you know for certain what the pick will be? If not then it’s random.

The only thing you can say for certain is that is going to be in the first round. For all we know BK will throw a lot of money and the lure of NYC at Durant and other free agents and make the playoffs next year. No it’s not likely but it can happen.

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

That is not really what random means, though. Would you value every team’s 2017 first round pick equally? 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

That is not really what random means, though. Would you value every team’s 2017 first round pick equally? 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

It’s random just not evenly distributed, i.e. picks 1-10 are more likely, based one what we know now, than picks 20-30. But the probability of any pick from 1-30 is non-zero. No it’s not likely that it will be pick 30 but it is possible. And it doesn’t have to be 30 to suck.

The Nets could easily go from the 3rd worse to the 8th worse and then get screwed by the lottery and end up with the 11th pick. No way a GM gives up Okafor for that kind of uncertainty

[EndlessknightParticipant]

It’s random just not evenly distributed, i.e. picks 1-10 are more likely, based one what we know now, than picks 20-30. But the probability of any pick from 1-30 is non-zero. No it’s not likely that it will be pick 30 but it is possible. And it doesn’t have to be 30 to suck.

The Nets could easily go from the 3rd worse to the 8th worse and then get screwed by the lottery and end up with the 11th pick. No way a GM gives up Okafor for that kind of uncertainty

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 In a year I will revisit this thread and everyone will see that Brooklyn’s 2017 pick is far more valuable than Okafor or the 3rd pick in the 2016 draft.

You will rue this day!

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Hindsight is 20/20. Yes, a year from now the Nets pick could end up #1 but there is no way to know that now. You can’t trade Okafor now based on the hope that you get the #1 pick, even if it does end up the #1 pick. 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 You don’t make the trade based on the hope that you get the #1 pick. You make the trade based on the likelihood that the pick you get will be better than what you trade – i.e. Okafor.  

The fact that there is not 100% certainty doesn’t mean you can’t make good moves using reasonable projections. You said the Nets could ‘easily finish 8th worst in the East’. How do you see that happening? They were 11 games worse than the next team above them. 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 First Okafor is worth more than that "likelihood", 2nd  didn’t say 8th in the east I said from 3rd worst to 8th worst. That would still leave them out of the playoffs. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 First Okafor is worth more than that "likelihood", 2nd  didn’t say 8th in the east I said from 3rd worst to 8th worst. That would still leave them out of the playoffs. 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 You don’t make the trade based on the hope that you get the #1 pick. You make the trade based on the likelihood that the pick you get will be better than what you trade – i.e. Okafor.  

The fact that there is not 100% certainty doesn’t mean you can’t make good moves using reasonable projections. You said the Nets could ‘easily finish 8th worst in the East’. How do you see that happening? They were 11 games worse than the next team above them. 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Hindsight is 20/20. Yes, a year from now the Nets pick could end up #1 but there is no way to know that now. You can’t trade Okafor now based on the hope that you get the #1 pick, even if it does end up the #1 pick. 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 In a year I will revisit this thread and everyone will see that Brooklyn’s 2017 pick is far more valuable than Okafor or the 3rd pick in the 2016 draft.

You will rue this day!

 

 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 This is the second time you’ve used the term ‘random pick’. Is the Sixers’ rights to the Laker pick a ‘random pick’ as well? The Nets project to be bad and next year’s draft has been described as generational. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

There is no way the Celtics are getting Okafor for a random pick next year. It’s not going to happen. It’s so far reality that it’s barely worth discussing. This is just a dream scenario by a Boston fan where they give up basically nothing and get another teams top scorer.

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 Rozier/Hunter/Young were just names to make the salary work for the trade.

I think people are sleeping on how good next year’s draft will be and the likelihood that the Brooklyn pick is top 3 again.

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Let me guess you’re a Celtics fan. No way the Sixers do that. The Sixers can easyly get players of Rozier and Hunter’s level with their late first round picks, they have no value. So basicly the trade is a future 20 and 10 guy for a random pick next year. Not going to happen. 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

What about the hornets…I could see a package surrounding MKG for Okafor. That way they don’t have to pay an over the hill Jefferson this offseason

[MattP31Participant]

 No chance. The problem with MKG is he can’t shoot and Philly if they take Simmons don’t want/need that. If they take Ingram it could be in play but still not likely

[MattP31Participant]

 No chance. The problem with MKG is he can’t shoot and Philly if they take Simmons don’t want/need that. If they take Ingram it could be in play but still not likely

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

What about the hornets…I could see a package surrounding MKG for Okafor. That way they don’t have to pay an over the hill Jefferson this offseason

[circumlocution75Participant]

 Has Anyone looked at Okafor’s Rookie Stats as an 18/19 y/o???

He’s got Better Rookie Stats than Both Boogie Cousins AND Andre Drummond……. Higher PPG & FG% & Equal Rebound #’s…….. & he did that on perhaps the Worst team I’ve Ever seen……

Phila Absolutely had the Worst Back – Court in NBA history…….. think about this people in Phila looked at Ish Smith as a Savior! – Ish Smith!………. that’s how Bad the guards were…….

5’10” Isaiah Canaan, Nik Stauskus & TJ McConnell were Phila’s 3 guard rotation…… Let those names Sink in……..

Okafor w/ That garbage at guard saw Double & Triple teams Every time touched the ball……. Okafor Often had to go All the way out to the 3 point line to get a Simple entry pass……..

 & he Still averaged 18 ppg; 7 rpg & 51% FG%…… Okafor set a Rookie record for FG% on shots "off the dribble" – translated he did Not get an Easy bucket ALL year……. he worked like a Mule in Corn Field to get Every bucket………

On a Real team like the Celtics, w/ Real NBA guards who can Penetrate & Must be guarded – Okafor’s Offensive production will Explode…… & on Defense he is A Lot better than people realize……. No Center can Do Anything when your guards turn the lane into a Runway for opposing teams…….. that’s why Noel’s Blocks per game & Defensive Analytics Plummeted in 2016………

 Okafor is a Monster on the Low Block & there is No way Boston or Anyone else will get this 6’11” Bull for a few Bench Warmers & a pick Next year………… Boston will be forced to Start w/ the 2016 #3 pick & either Avery Bradley AND Marcus Smart …………. or the 2016 #3 pick And the Net’s 2017 1st round pick……. & it would be Worth it………..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 I think you are overvaluing Okafor’s trade value. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Nah hes not. It won’t happen for just the 3rd pick. 76ers like most teams will like there own guy more.

Even though I still think the trade would be nice for the 76ers. Pick Hield who I think will have dominate range in the NBA and be a really good SG. Plus he would compliment Simmons so nicley who is a passing big. Simmons would love having a deadly 3pt shooter to pass to next year. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Nah hes not. It won’t happen for just the 3rd pick. 76ers like most teams will like there own guy more.

Even though I still think the trade would be nice for the 76ers. Pick Hield who I think will have dominate range in the NBA and be a really good SG. Plus he would compliment Simmons so nicley who is a passing big. Simmons would love having a deadly 3pt shooter to pass to next year. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

That’s funny because this whole time I was  thinking you’re undervaluing Okafors trade value. He has proven he can be a dominate Center in this league yet is still just a kid. He won on all levels and even a National Championship. 

People said he had to get quicker and more athletic so he did. Or needs to add a faceup game but I have never seen such a smooth faceup big since watching Bosh in Toronto.

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

That’s funny because this whole time I was  thinking you’re undervaluing Okafors trade value. He has proven he can be a dominate Center in this league yet is still just a kid. He won on all levels and even a National Championship. 

People said he had to get quicker and more athletic so he did. Or needs to add a faceup game but I have never seen such a smooth faceup big since watching Bosh in Toronto.

 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 I think you are overvaluing Okafor’s trade value. 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 Has Anyone looked at Okafor’s Rookie Stats as an 18/19 y/o???

He’s got Better Rookie Stats than Both Boogie Cousins AND Andre Drummond……. Higher PPG & FG% & Equal Rebound #’s…….. & he did that on perhaps the Worst team I’ve Ever seen……

Phila Absolutely had the Worst Back – Court in NBA history…….. think about this people in Phila looked at Ish Smith as a Savior! – Ish Smith!………. that’s how Bad the guards were…….

5’10” Isaiah Canaan, Nik Stauskus & TJ McConnell were Phila’s 3 guard rotation…… Let those names Sink in……..

Okafor w/ That garbage at guard saw Double & Triple teams Every time touched the ball……. Okafor Often had to go All the way out to the 3 point line to get a Simple entry pass……..

 & he Still averaged 18 ppg; 7 rpg & 51% FG%…… Okafor set a Rookie record for FG% on shots "off the dribble" – translated he did Not get an Easy bucket ALL year……. he worked like a Mule in Corn Field to get Every bucket………

On a Real team like the Celtics, w/ Real NBA guards who can Penetrate & Must be guarded – Okafor’s Offensive production will Explode…… & on Defense he is A Lot better than people realize……. No Center can Do Anything when your guards turn the lane into a Runway for opposing teams…….. that’s why Noel’s Blocks per game & Defensive Analytics Plummeted in 2016………

 Okafor is a Monster on the Low Block & there is No way Boston or Anyone else will get this 6’11” Bull for a few Bench Warmers & a pick Next year………… Boston will be forced to Start w/ the 2016 #3 pick & either Avery Bradley AND Marcus Smart …………. or the 2016 #3 pick And the Net’s 2017 1st round pick……. & it would be Worth it………..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[burgessfourParticipant]

Is not interested in future picks. I do agree next years Bos/Bklyn pick should be more valuable then Boston’s 3 this year. As a Sixers fan I think a more fair trade may be

Okafor & the Lakers pick

for

Boston 3 this year, the better of the Bos/Bklyn pick next year, plus Smart and/or pick 16 this year. 

 

Celtics fans can neg me if you want, but that’s the type of package Okafor should command.

[burgessfourParticipant]

Is not interested in future picks. I do agree next years Bos/Bklyn pick should be more valuable then Boston’s 3 this year. As a Sixers fan I think a more fair trade may be

Okafor & the Lakers pick

for

Boston 3 this year, the better of the Bos/Bklyn pick next year, plus Smart and/or pick 16 this year. 

 

Celtics fans can neg me if you want, but that’s the type of package Okafor should command.

[MattP31Participant]

 This could be disgustingly bad. There’s a very legitimate chance the Lakers pick next year is better than the Nets pick. And when you are talking about picks towards the top of the draft that’s a major difference.

[MattP31Participant]

 This could be disgustingly bad. There’s a very legitimate chance the Lakers pick next year is better than the Nets pick. And when you are talking about picks towards the top of the draft that’s a major difference.

[CDPHParticipant]

 As a Sixers fan, I jump all over this deal.  It’s obvious that one of Okafor and Noel is going to be dealt, if we can add two lottery ticket young guards in Hunter and Rozier plus another very strong shot at a high pick in a stacked 2017 draft I would be thrilled.  People focus on right now and don’t realize how good that 17′ draft can be.  

[CDPHParticipant]

 As a Sixers fan, I jump all over this deal.  It’s obvious that one of Okafor and Noel is going to be dealt, if we can add two lottery ticket young guards in Hunter and Rozier plus another very strong shot at a high pick in a stacked 2017 draft I would be thrilled.  People focus on right now and don’t realize how good that 17′ draft can be.  

[kzekeParticipant]

Boston doesn’t own the Nets 2017 pick just the right to swap, Philly would have to give the Nets thier pick.  There is no way Philly does this.  Sorry Boston, it’s gonna cost you #3 plus probably another asset.  

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Swap rights don’t work that way. The Nets would get the lessor of their pick or Boston’s pick. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Swap rights don’t work that way. The Nets would get the lessor of their pick or Boston’s pick. 

[kzekeParticipant]

Boston doesn’t own the Nets 2017 pick just the right to swap, Philly would have to give the Nets thier pick.  There is no way Philly does this.  Sorry Boston, it’s gonna cost you #3 plus probably another asset.  

[Dell87Participant]

 IM A BOSTON FAN AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OFAKOR. But if I’m philly why would I trade anyone yet. What’s wrong with a roster of 

Okafor

Noel

Embid

Simmonds

Saric

Grant

Covington. 

Let them compete and see who stands out. Play them like a college team. 20-25 minutes for everyone at the beginning of the season. And as the season goes then see who performs the best and gives those individuals the minutes. Let coach brown be a coach. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dell87Participant]

 IM A BOSTON FAN AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OFAKOR. But if I’m philly why would I trade anyone yet. What’s wrong with a roster of 

Okafor

Noel

Embid

Simmonds

Saric

Grant

Covington. 

Let them compete and see who stands out. Play them like a college team. 20-25 minutes for everyone at the beginning of the season. And as the season goes then see who performs the best and gives those individuals the minutes. Let coach brown be a coach. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 This is actually good for the 76ers.  Imagine their own pick, the Lakers pick and the Nets pick next year, they could have three picks in the top 6 of a loaded draft.

Rozier and Hunter are not bad prospects, the equivalent of late first rounders in any draft.

Okafor does have plenty of baggage, in only a short time, so the 76ers may not want him if Embiid is healthy.

 

 

 

 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 Not only would they have an extra lottery selection in a loaded draft, the team will get better via the additions of Simmons, Embiid, Saric and whatever else is added with the two late 1sts and veteran signings.

People criticized Hinkie for constantly flipping for the future but the team will be so much more competitive and marketable this season that they can do both: improve and bolster the future.

 

 

 

 

[PatrickMurphyParticipant]

 Not only would they have an extra lottery selection in a loaded draft, the team will get better via the additions of Simmons, Embiid, Saric and whatever else is added with the two late 1sts and veteran signings.

People criticized Hinkie for constantly flipping for the future but the team will be so much more competitive and marketable this season that they can do both: improve and bolster the future.

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 This is actually good for the 76ers.  Imagine their own pick, the Lakers pick and the Nets pick next year, they could have three picks in the top 6 of a loaded draft.

Rozier and Hunter are not bad prospects, the equivalent of late first rounders in any draft.

Okafor does have plenty of baggage, in only a short time, so the 76ers may not want him if Embiid is healthy.

 

 

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

Lifetime – would you believe me??? …….. Well it’s True…….. Look it up……. Noel is 11 ppg & Greek Freak is 12 ppg……..

 Noel would be a Great fit for Boston……….. He is So much better than people realize……….. And Boston is Desperate for an Elite Rim protector………

 Noel is 21 & on a Real team he’ll Never be a 20 ppg Center but he’ll block 2+ shots……  grab 2+ steals…….. make 2+ great assists……… grab a Dozen boards…….. & score 12 to 15 points Every night……. While playing Great defense & running the floor like a Sprinter…….

Explosive leaper, Elite quickness & he’s got a sweet Lefty handle that he uses to pull opposing centers away from the Rim & then blows by them in ISO’s he’s just Not a Great finisher…… but he’s 21!…..

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

Lifetime – would you believe me??? …….. Well it’s True…….. Look it up……. Noel is 11 ppg & Greek Freak is 12 ppg……..

 Noel would be a Great fit for Boston……….. He is So much better than people realize……….. And Boston is Desperate for an Elite Rim protector………

 Noel is 21 & on a Real team he’ll Never be a 20 ppg Center but he’ll block 2+ shots……  grab 2+ steals…….. make 2+ great assists……… grab a Dozen boards…….. & score 12 to 15 points Every night……. While playing Great defense & running the floor like a Sprinter…….

Explosive leaper, Elite quickness & he’s got a sweet Lefty handle that he uses to pull opposing centers away from the Rim & then blows by them in ISO’s he’s just Not a Great finisher…… but he’s 21!…..

 

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